Subject: RE: Obit: Mike Waterson 22 June 2011 From: alanabit Date: 22 Jun 11 - 11:07 AM I never had the good fortune to meet him. Those who did always spoke well of him - something which has been born out on this thread. It is obvious that he represented all that is good about the music we love. |
Subject: RE: Obit: Mike Waterson 22 June 2011 From: Joe Nicholson Date: 22 Jun 11 - 11:16 AM Such sad news but what a legacy with so much left behind for us to remember him by. Goodbye old friend. Joe and Maureen Nicholson |
Subject: RE: Obit: Mike Waterson 22 June 2011 From: Spleen Cringe Date: 22 Jun 11 - 11:19 AM Heartfelt thanks to Mike for all the pleasure his singing has given me. Condolences and best wishes to his family and friends. RIP. |
Subject: RE: Obit: Mike Waterson 22 June 2011 From: GUEST,SPB Cooperator at work Date: 22 Jun 11 - 11:25 AM A sad loss of another legend who has inspired my interest in traditional folk song. RIP |
Subject: RE: Obit: Mike Waterson 22 June 2011 From: doc.tom Date: 22 Jun 11 - 11:26 AM Sad news indeed. What a legacy. R.I.P. Thoughts with the family. |
Subject: RE: Obit: Mike Waterson 22 June 2011 From: RoyH (Burl) Date: 22 Jun 11 - 11:41 AM The saddest of news. Mike was a great singer and a grand bloke. We will all miss him. Elaine and I send condolences to the family. |
Subject: RE: Obit: Mike Waterson 22 June 2011 From: ChrisJBrady Date: 22 Jun 11 - 12:10 PM A great clip of The Waterson Family at Liverpool Philharmonic Hall: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ub47n9dodUQ |
Subject: RE: Obit: Mike Waterson 22 June 2011 From: John MacKenzie Date: 22 Jun 11 - 12:18 PM Gone to join the great Rubber Band in the sky. Thanks Mike, for everything, |
Subject: RE: Obit: Mike Waterson 22 June 2011 From: GUEST,Susie Date: 22 Jun 11 - 12:22 PM Very sad to hear of his passing - his spirit had bucked the odds as it was, but it's still such a blow. That must surely be the last of this string of sorrow and misfortune for the family. We're all thinking of you. And will every time we sing the songs you taught us all - which, in our case, is OFTEN. with love Susie & the Village Quire |
Subject: RE: Obit: Mike Waterson 22 June 2011 From: GUEST Date: 22 Jun 11 - 12:56 PM Take the chance to view the new DVD recorded at Hull Truck, last August....and the earlier film of the family in 1965. Two wonderful records of the Watersons' at their best. Rest in Peace - and thank you for your songs and music. Hazel. |
Subject: RE: Obit: Mike Waterson 22 June 2011 From: Desert Dancer Date: 22 Jun 11 - 01:03 PM Remembering Mike Waterson, a born storyteller The singer, who died on Tuesday, had a passionate belief in folk song as a voice for the true values of the working class Colin Irwin Wednesday 22 June 2011 16.47 BST guardian.co.uk Anybody with even a passing interest in British folk music will be choked by news of the death of Mike Waterson, who passed away on Tuesday. Not only was he one of the great interpreters of traditional song, throwing himself into a narrative with all the mannerisms and instinctive inflections of a born storyteller, he was a master of wordplay, writing what he would self-effacingly describe as "ditties", whether Rubber Band ("We're the band to catapult to stardom/ We'll never get wound up, we're never slack") from his classic 1972 album Bright Phoebus with sister Lal; or the celebrated A Stitch in Time, inspired by a newspaper story he'd read that describes, in delicious detail, the highly ingenious revenge of a battered wife who sews her drunken husband into his bed while he's asleep. Even last August, already looking alarmingly frail on one of his final stage appearances at the Waterson family's emotional homecoming gig at Hull's Truck Theatre, he still managed to steal the show when – baggy brown jumper, trademark flat cap, pint of ale in hand – he giggled like a naughty schoolboy and sang his latest masterpiece Tea's Made, hilariously pillorying drinks machines: "The milk is in small saches that you can't get in no-how/ And it tastes of burning plastic and it's never seen a cow/ So do not use this cafe/ Join the picket line with me/ Then they'll have to find a robot/ To drink their fucking tea …" In the obituaries that will follow over the next few days, Mike will quite rightly be heralded as one of the key figures of the British folk revival for his long-running role in the Watersons, the Yorkshire singing family whose dynamic voices and instinctive harmonies galvanised the nascent folk scene back in the day and whose early career was guided by the great folklorist Bert Lloyd. "He asked us to sing a song once, which we did, and then he asked us to sing it again," Mike told me, recalling early days with his sisters Lal and Norma. "When he asked us to do it yet again we said are we doing it wrong? He said: 'No, it's pure indulgence because it's giving me so much enjoyment.' He told us we had wonderful mixolydian harmonies. We all looked at eachother and when we got home we went to Hull Library to find out what it meant." With his long dark hair, sullen looks and scrawny physique, he was the coolest looking bloke on the planet back then. Check out the brilliant Derrick Knight documentary Travelling for a Living from 1965 and you'll see a dude who makes Liam Gallagher look like Val Doonican. No wonder the Watersons were dubbed "the folk Beatles". But, like the rest of his family, Mike never had any interest in fame or celebrity. He was a great singer with a passionate belief in folk song as a voice for the true values of working-class men and women and his main motivation was to put that music back in the hands of local communities. When the rigours of touring took its toll, he was quite happy to give it all up to paint houses and build boats, quietly knocking out his "ditties", living in a farmhouse in north Yorkshire and rejoining the family on their odd musical adventure. A couple of years I spent a magical afternoon with Mike and Norma Waterson in Robin Hood's Bay where the pair of them bickered affectionately about everything under the sun, from rising stars of the modern folk scene to widely divergent memories of Eliza Ward, the grandmother who raised them after their parents both died young. The anecdotes were long and rambling, the images colourful and vivid and the opinions sharp and passionate. And now Norma is slowly recovering from major illness and Mike is gone. It's good to know a new generation of Waterson-Carthys has emerged to carry the baton, but the sense of loss today is still immeasurable. |
Subject: RE: Obit: Mike Waterson 22 June 2011 From: GUEST Date: 22 Jun 11 - 01:03 PM I'm so very sad to hear this. Deepest sympathy to all the family. There was nobody like him. |
Subject: RE: Obit: Mike Waterson 22 June 2011 From: Desert Dancer Date: 22 Jun 11 - 01:04 PM Here is the text of the Guardian item linked in the original post of this thread: Mike Waterson obituary Singer and songwriter with the family of folk musicians, he was known for his hard-hitting and humorous lyrics Derek Schofield guardian.co.uk Wednesday 22 June 2011 14.18 BST For almost five decades, the Waterson family of singers had an enormous influence both within and beyond the British folk music scene. At the core were three siblings – Norma, her sister Lal (who died in 1998) and brother Mike Waterson, who has died of cancer aged 70. As the seminal traditional folk group of the 1960s, and with Mike as the male lead singer, the Watersons toured the country. Singing traditional English folk songs in harmony and largely unaccompanied, the Watersons broke the mould of guitar and banjo-led folk groups, inspired by the American quartet the Weavers. They appeared at folk festivals and clubs and recorded three solo albums in as many years, before "retiring" in 1968, only to return with less punishing touring schedules in 1972. In the intervening few years, Mike and Lal revealed themselves as significant songwriters, and though Mike's songs never achieved the popular success of his sister's, their hard-hitting topics and humorous reflections on everyday life have been widely praised. The Waterson family came from Hull. Mike, Lal and Norma were orphaned when very young, and their grandmother Eliza Ward looked after the children. She was a hard-as-nails, heart-of-gold character who ran her own business as a second-hand dealer, and was helped in raising the children by a family friend, Thirza – later immortalised in Lal Waterson's Song for Thirza. Mike's school career was not a great success: his worst subjects were music and woodwork, which was ironic considering he later earned a living in the building trade and as a singer. Music was an essential part of family parties, and when Norma's boyfriend, later her first husband, introduced them to jazz and to Alan Lomax's blues recordings, it set the three siblings on a path that led them to traditional British folk music. But first there was skiffle and the American folk influences of Pete Seeger and the Weavers. Mike and Lal sang together as a duo, the Mariners; then, with Norma, their cousin John Harrison and a friend Pete Ogley, they became the Folksons. When Ogley left, they rebranded as the Waterson Family, later the Watersons, and dropped the American repertoire in favour of British and, increasingly, Yorkshire songs, largely delivered a capella. They had already started a folk club in Hull, Folk Union One, which settled into the city's biggest pub room at the Blue Bell, but it was a weekend trip to London in 1964, when they sang at the Troubadour folk club, that attracted the attention of Topic Records' recording engineer Bill Leader, and they were included in the album New Voices (1965) alongside Harry Boardman and Maureen Craik. The impact was immediate. Within a few months, they had turned professional and their first solo album, Frost and Fire, had been released. With considerable influence from Topic's artistic adviser, AL Lloyd, this new album of English seasonal songs – including wassails and May songs – established them as the foremost folk band in the country. Mike's solo song on that album, the traditional John Barleycorn, was later taken up by the rock band Traffic on their 1970 album John Barleycorn Must Die. The following year, 1966, saw two more Watersons albums released on Topic, including A Yorkshire Garland featuring songs from their native county. The same year, their singing was documented on a BBC2 television programme, Travelling for a Living, which showed them on tour, in their own folk club and researching songs in the Vaughan Williams Memorial Library. These were boom years for the British folk scene, and Mike was the lead singer of such songs as Three Score and Ten, Dido Bendigo and Fathom the Bowl, which, along with The White Cockade and The Holmfirth Anthem, quickly passed into the repertoires of folk club and festival singers. The relentless touring was exhausting, and in early 1968 the group disbanded, with Norma moving to the Caribbean island of Montserrat. Mike returned to work as a painter and decorator, but continued singing for fun, often alongside his friend Ian Manuel; together they started the Rugby Hotel folk club in Hull. Mike started writing his own songs and soon found that his sister, Lal, who had always written poetry, was doing likewise. They swapped songs and ideas, and their collaboration culminated in an album, Bright Phoebus (1972), which came as a revelation, and caused more than a few raised eyebrows among traditional folk song enthusiasts. Although most of the songs on the album came from Lal, Mike provided the two most enduring ones: Rubber Band (later covered by Fairport Convention) and the title track. Their jointly written song Danny Rose was recorded by Billy Bragg. The Watersons reformed in 1972 when Norma returned home, and her new husband, the renowned folk singer Martin Carthy, replaced John Harrison in the family group. The new lineup's first album, For Pence and Spicy Ale, became Melody Maker's folk album of 1975. Their appearance at the American bicentennial celebrations the following year, where they heard a variety of religious music, inspired them to record an album of such songs, Sound, Sound Your Instruments of Joy (1977). The album Green Fields followed in 1981, once again highlighting the family's organic, often improvised harmony style . By now, Mike and his family – as well as Lal and Norma's families – had all relocated from Hull to a farm near Robin Hood's Bay in North Yorkshire. In the meantime, Mike had recorded an eponymous solo album in 1977, with vocal support from the family. The standout track was Mike's reworking of Tamlyn, a supernatural ballad he had learned from Lloyd. It was Mike's version that inspired Benjamin Zephaniah to rewrite the story in a modern setting for The Imagined Village album and tour in 2007. Lal's decision to stop touring in the late 1980s marked the end of the Watersons, though Mike sang for a while in a trio with his wife, Ann, and the local singer Jill Pidd. Martin and Norma had teamed up with their daughter, Eliza Carthy, and they were sometimes joined on concert and festival stages by Mike. In more recent years, Mike occasionally sung alongside the Gateshead singer Louis Killen. Two of Mike's daughters, Rachel and Eleanor, have sung with various family lineups, including at the Mighty River of Song concert, celebrating the family's legacy, at the Royal Albert Hall in 2007. Mike's songwriting continued. Drawing on Hull's fishing industry, Three Day Millionaire, about the potential high wages of the trawlermen, contrasts with the declining industry and the tragedy of lost lives in Cold Coast of Iceland and Three Ships. Mike's considerable ability to tell a story in song is perhaps best illustrated by A Stitch in Time, where a woman uses her seamstress's skills to sew her drunken and violent husband into his bed sheets so that he cannot move. The song has been recorded by Martin Carthy as well as the Irish singer Christy Moore and Chumbawamba, though not by Mike himself. Indeed, in recent years, he resisted Topic Records' suggestions to re-enter the recording studio. Whether it was an informal folk club gig or the Royal Albert Hall, Mike invariably appeared on stage dressed in chunky sweater, jeans and cloth cap. This was no affectation – here was an ordinary man, still working in the building trade, but with extraordinary talents as a singer and songwriter. His last stage performance was at the Bromyard folk festival in September 2010, shortly after a family homecoming concert at Hull Truck Theatre ‑ the latter event was filmed and a DVD released earlier this year. Mike is survived by his wife, Ann, and four children, Sarah, Eleanor, Rachel and Matthew. • Michael Waterson, folk singer, born 16 January 1941; died 22 June 2011 |
Subject: RE: Obit: Mike Waterson 22 June 2011 From: Matthew Edwards Date: 22 Jun 11 - 01:07 PM Thanks to Doc Rowe for posting this sad news; Mike will be greatly missed. He was a lovely down-to-earth man with an extraordinary talent and a cracking sense of humour. My condolences to all the family. Here is the Obituary by Derek Schofield from The Guardian, and, from the same paper, a memorial by Colin Irwin Remembering Mike Waterson, a born storyteller. Matthew |
Subject: RE: Obit: Mike Waterson 22 June 2011 From: ClaireBear Date: 22 Jun 11 - 01:08 PM A sad and fond farewell, breathed through tears. Steady winds and safe passage to that harbor across the stars. |
Subject: RE: Obit: Mike Waterson 22 June 2011 From: Murray MacLeod Date: 22 Jun 11 - 01:11 PM I count myself fortunate to have seen him perform, even if only twice, once in Edinburgh, Crown Folk Club, 1973, and then again in 1998 in the Royal Oak in Lewes (I think) He was a charismatic performer and a wonderful songwriter. R.I.P. |
Subject: RE: Obit: Mike Waterson 22 June 2011 From: GUEST,MC Fat Date: 22 Jun 11 - 01:35 PM I was lucky enough to compere that Bromyard concert and for someone we al.l knew was ill, he was in impish form, singing his own songs. It was indeed as we now know a very special night |
Subject: RE: Obit: Mike Waterson 22 June 2011 From: GUEST,dunelmian Date: 22 Jun 11 - 02:36 PM Mike, as one of the Watersons, was one whose recordings produced much of my early repertoire way back in 1969. There will be a new voice tonight joining that great folk club where ever it is.He was indeed a charismatic performer and he will be missed. Thanks Mike. Love to the family |
Subject: RE: Obit: Mike Waterson 22 June 2011 From: Colin Randall Date: 22 Jun 11 - 02:39 PM Thanks to Desert Dancer for reproducing the Derek Schofield obit and Colin Irwin memorial, both fine and fitting tributes. Mike was part of a wonderful music-making family and I can picture him now, on stage or at the bar the last time I saw him, some years ago at a festival in Scotland, and hear that rich voice. I can only echo the warm, appreciative stream of thoughts above. |
Subject: RE: Obit: Mike Waterson 22 June 2011 From: GUEST,Chris and Steve Murray Date: 22 Jun 11 - 03:03 PM Our hearts go out to Mike's family at this sad time. |
Subject: RE: Obit: Mike Waterson 22 June 2011 From: Joules Date: 22 Jun 11 - 03:23 PM So sad to lose yet another folkie to that mega session in the skies, condolences to family and friends, RIP Mike |
Subject: RE: Obit: Mike Waterson 22 June 2011 From: Catherine Jayne Date: 22 Jun 11 - 03:30 PM Such sad news and a great loss. What a great legacy Mike has left for us all. Condolences to Mike's family and friends xxx |
Subject: RE: Obit: Mike Waterson 22 June 2011 From: GUEST,Sean O'Shea, Date: 22 Jun 11 - 03:47 PM Such a fine man,so warm and down to earth;the folk world is genuinely bereft. |
Subject: RE: Obit: Mike Waterson 22 June 2011 From: Dave Sutherland Date: 22 Jun 11 - 03:48 PM So sorry to hear this terrible news. I have fond memories of hearing Mike at a number of the various folk clubs with which I have been involved. A fine singer and songwriter and always good company. RIP |
Subject: RE: Obit: Mike Waterson 22 June 2011 From: Edthefolkie Date: 22 Jun 11 - 04:10 PM Thanks for telling us Doc,much appreciated. A spirit like Mike's can't be kept down, let's hope we all meet in the sweet by and by. Condolences to the family. |
Subject: RE: Obit: Mike Waterson 22 June 2011 From: maeve Date: 22 Jun 11 - 04:11 PM I'm grateful for the music he gave us and sorry to never have had the chance to meet and hear him in person. Let's be certain we pass the music along as generously as he has done. Maeve |
Subject: RE: Obit: Mike Waterson 22 June 2011 From: Herga Kitty Date: 22 Jun 11 - 04:49 PM Very sad news and a great loss. All best wishes and sympathy to the family - and thanks to Doc, who so stoically started this thread. Kitty |
Subject: RE: Obit: Mike Waterson 22 June 2011 From: JohnH Date: 22 Jun 11 - 05:37 PM All already been said but yes. |
Subject: RE: Obit: Mike Waterson 22 June 2011 From: Geordie-Peorgie Date: 22 Jun 11 - 05:50 PM Words can't express the sadness - Thoughts with Mike and his kin! |
Subject: RE: Obit: Mike Waterson 22 June 2011 From: GUEST,THE WILSON FAMILY Date: 22 Jun 11 - 06:35 PM We've only just heard this devestating news and can hardly bring ourselves to put words into print. It was only this weekend that we all met up in Beck Hole and were discussing with Doc and Jill how we have been reluctant to contact Mike & Ann in case he wouldn't feel up to it - now, of course, it's too late! We have never made any secret of the fact that, musically The Watersons en masse, and Mike in particular, have been a lifelong inspiration to ourselves and a major influence on what we continue to do - and, for that alone, we shall for ever be in his debt. But our fondest and enduring memories of Mike will be of the many, but alas all to infrequent, times when we were simply just in his company sharing the craic. He was one of lifes natural raconteurs with and encyclopeadic mind which was crammed with stories - most of which were spiced with his wicked sense of humour and fun. He was a lovely, honest and genuine 'bloke' and it was an immense privilage to have known him. He'll be greatly missed. We hope he didn't suffer too much at the end and send our sincerest best wishes to Ann, Norma & Martin and all the rest of the family. Thanks again for everything Mike, - The Wilson Family |
Subject: RE: Obit: Mike Waterson 22 June 2011 From: Dave Roberts Date: 22 Jun 11 - 06:38 PM Very sad news. |
Subject: RE: Obit: Mike Waterson 22 June 2011 From: Steve Gardham Date: 22 Jun 11 - 06:53 PM Yes, very very sad news. Mike in particular was always an enormous influence either directly or indirectly on anyone involved in folk music in the 60s and onwards, that's song, dance, mumming, or just the crack. Love and condolences to Ann, Sarah, Rachel, Ella and Matty from all the Sherburn clan and all at The Yorkshire Garland Group. |
Subject: RE: Obit: Mike Waterson 22 June 2011 From: GUEST Date: 22 Jun 11 - 07:09 PM In distressing circumstances, this is a valuable thread of tribute and recollection. I hope no fellow Mudcatters will mind that I have repeated some of the comments left here in my own brief obit at Salut! Live. The audience may be significantly smaller but I hope anyone who strays into the site from elsewhere will follow the link and view the full book of condolences back here. |
Subject: RE: Obit: Mike Waterson 22 June 2011 From: Colin Randall Date: 22 Jun 11 - 07:15 PM Sorry, that last one was from me without having logged in. |
Subject: RE: Obit: Mike Waterson 22 June 2011 From: GUEST,Wendy Price Date: 22 Jun 11 - 07:39 PM What a wonderful legacy Mike has left to us all. A real Yorkshireman. Our feelings go out to his family. Wendy, Ruth and Sadie Price and Phil Hatton |
Subject: RE: Obit: Mike Waterson 22 June 2011 From: GUEST,Chris Stern Date: 22 Jun 11 - 08:03 PM First saw the Watersons at Scarborough Folk Festival in 1965. Even at 13 I was bowled over by them. I come from Hull and was born and spent my early years near to Pearson Park where Lal lived at one time. This is very sad news. A great Hullensian is gone. |
Subject: RE: Obit: Mike Waterson 22 June 2011 From: GUEST,John Schultz Date: 22 Jun 11 - 08:04 PM The Watersons' music - Lal & Mike's in particular - is very special to me. Thank you and rest in peace. |
Subject: RE: Obit: Mike Waterson 22 June 2011 From: GUEST,Four Fools Date: 22 Jun 11 - 08:11 PM What really sad news. Mike was a real character with a devilish wit and a great passion for his folk songs, also a great songwriter. We can remember a few conversations with him over the years, indeed he was a true gent and will be greatly missed. Words are totally inadequate but our thoughts are with Ann, Norma, Martin and the rest of the family. Alas that singaround in the sky is growing far to quickly. Love Angie and Ken Bladen |
Subject: RE: Obit: Mike Waterson 22 June 2011 From: SylviaN Date: 22 Jun 11 - 08:15 PM Nothing much we can add to what has already been said. A great man and he will be sorely missed. Our thoughts are with all his family. Keith and Sylvia |
Subject: RE: Obit: Mike Waterson 22 June 2011 From: ChanteyLass Date: 23 Jun 11 - 12:34 AM Oh, no! Too bad; so sad. Adding my condolences to the ones above. |
Subject: RE: Obit: Mike Waterson 22 June 2011 From: ConcertinaChap Date: 23 Jun 11 - 02:25 AM For a young folky like me at the beginning of the 70's the sound of the Watersons was not an influence - it was more like the environment. I feel a real sense of loss. Chris |
Subject: RE: Obit: Mike Waterson 22 June 2011 From: stallion Date: 23 Jun 11 - 03:47 AM he definately 'ad a' 'ull accent, and I suppose 'ull is in Yorkshire . RIP owd son |
Subject: RE: Obit: Mike Waterson 22 June 2011 From: Mick Tems Date: 23 Jun 11 - 04:37 AM Mike was such an inspiration to me, one in a million - sincere condolences to his family. Words cannot express how I feel. Mick Tems |
Subject: RE: Obit: Mike Waterson 22 June 2011 From: Dave Hanson Date: 23 Jun 11 - 05:56 AM A brilliant, kind and generous man, he will be greatly missed, kindest regards to all Mikes family. Dave H |
Subject: RE: Obit: Mike Waterson 22 June 2011 From: JHW Date: 23 Jun 11 - 06:29 AM Very Sad. We were singing 'Drink, Boys, Drink' last night. You can't not 'picture' Mike down there singing 'Forrr if you do...' He'll always be there. ...we hope to God with all out hearts that his soul in Heaven do rest... John W |
Subject: RE: Obit: Mike Waterson 22 June 2011 From: GUEST,geoff woolfe Date: 23 Jun 11 - 09:13 AM Heard the news just now. It feels like one of the family has gone from the 60's Mike was an inspiration to all to get up and sing |
Subject: RE: Obit: Mike Waterson 22 June 2011 From: Waddon Pete Date: 23 Jun 11 - 10:35 AM Sad news. He will be greatly missed. My thoughts are with his family and friends. Best wishes, Peter |
Subject: RE: Obit: Mike Waterson 22 June 2011 From: GUEST,Steve Black Date: 23 Jun 11 - 10:55 AM I'm devastated to hear of Mike's death. I was in the Whitby area last weekend, but unfortunately couldn't manage to get over to see him as I'd hoped.[sorry, Ann]> I wish I had. I got to know Mike and his family well in the seventies when I lived nearby, and he was the salt of the earth, a really genuine bloke. I'd just like to send my [and Linda's] love and condolences to Ann and the rest of the family. Mike will be very sadly missed. |
Subject: RE: Obit: Mike Waterson 22 June 2011 From: GUEST,Selby Date: 23 Jun 11 - 10:59 AM I can only echo everyone else's sentiments. When Rory Mcilroy was winning the golf in America last week all I could hear in my head was When Mcilory was a boy,with Mike singing it strange how things happen. Keith |
Subject: RE: Obit: Mike Waterson 22 June 2011 From: GUEST,Guest - John Conolly Date: 23 Jun 11 - 11:52 AM I'm so glad I got the chance to hear Mike sing,not long ago,in a memorable evening at Robin Hood's Bay Folk Club. . . the Watersons' club at The Bluebell was the first Folk Club I ever sang in,and I've loved Mike's singing, his sense of humour,and the lovely songs he wrote ever since. . . he will be sadly,badly missed - hope you've found your "Fiddlers' Green", Mike. . . Love , John. |
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