BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Aug 16 - 03:57 AM

Steve,
I said pro-Israel regime bigots.

That is what you call us because we dare to give Israel's side of the debate.
You don't want to consider anything but the other side.

This Channel puts both sides, which is anathema to closed minded bigots.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Aug 16 - 03:16 AM

"You are a dinosaur Carroll, trapped sometime in the 1960s/1970s "
And you, Woodencock, are a fascist trapped in 1930s Germany - unfortunately some hangers-on like your good self still infesting the planet.
No answers though, just the old usual infantile insults - now there's a surprise!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 06 Aug 16 - 11:10 PM

Steve Shaw - 06 Aug 16 - 04:04 PM

Sense of humour failure Shaw?

Not surprised that Raggy leapt in as he always does - everything seems to fly over him at about 40,000ft.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 06 Aug 16 - 11:06 PM

"The same thing happened on Newsnight.
Is Kirsty Wark an "attack dog" too?

Kirsty Wark: Is there a peerage in the offing? It has been discussed a Labour peerage might be in the offing for you?
Shami Chakrabarti: I don't know Kirsty, are you going to take one?"

That was broadcast on or about 27th July, 2016. In which case Ms Chakrabarti was lying in her reply because by that date there was no - "I don't know Kirsty" about it - Shami Chakrabarti had already accepted by that date.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 06 Aug 16 - 10:58 PM

Jim Carroll - 06 Aug 16 - 12:03 PM

You are a dinosaur Carroll, trapped sometime in the 1960s/1970s - fortunately the world has changed and moved on - only you have refused to move with it.

Corbyn is the same.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Aug 16 - 06:44 PM

I didn't even know whether the bugger was a Jew

Don't matter, Steve- he'll spew out the expected idiocy just in case!

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Aug 16 - 05:12 PM

He called me a Jew-hater again even though I didn't even know whether the bugger was a Jew or not!!! 😂😂😂😂😂

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Aug 16 - 04:38 PM

For Jew haters anyone who is pro Israel is automatically a bigot.

Same old spew, Bubo - rather like the morons to whom anyone who critices the governmment of Israel is an antisemite???

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 06 Aug 16 - 04:15 PM

Apologies Steve,

Sadly I had to cater to the lowest common denominator, which is normally Teribus.

The lack of a decent education is so apparent there.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Aug 16 - 04:04 PM

You twit, Teribus. It was Diane James rising through the ranks, not Putin. I copied and pasted a Tory. They speak your lingo, so you should have been able to understand it. Oi, Raggytash, it weren't me wot left out that comma - it were Cameron' s former speech- writer! 😂😂😂

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Aug 16 - 03:22 PM

"For Jew haters anyone who is pro Israel is automatically a bigot."
The only Jew hater here is you Bobad - nobody else blames them for Israel's terrorism
"Name one who actually said "it doesn't stink.""
No Keith - you give us a list of who has.
Dianne Abbott has suggested that it an attack on women to suggest that her appointment was rigged
All of which is beside the point
Unless it can be shown that there was a cobever -up and you right wingers can be explicit about what that cover up entailed - you have no riht tio suggest there was
What is being covered up - who are these hordes of Antisemites you have been banging on aqbout.
What is the nature of the antisemitism they have been indulging in
You have not offered on single example of "serious" antisemitism - not one.
This spoke about widespread concern, you only produced two names of people who suggested there was a proi=blem - both incvolved Israeli propaganda organisations.
As usual - you invented it.
Labour was accused of antisemmitism - they looked into the matter immediately and found there wasn't a problem
Even so, in the light of Israel claiming all criticism being Antisemitic, a series of recommendations were made regarding taking care of that particular part of the problem
In my opinion, they should have told the Israelis to go stuff themselves - they are a terrorist state attempting to avoid a boycott brought about by their open acts of State terrorism.   
Only Antisemites like Bobad blame the Jewish People for Israeli crimes.
Your supposed concern for Antisemitism and racism is a load of bollocks anyway - none of you three morons have ever told us why the Tories have never mheld an enquiry into islamophobia and you've all broken your necks to defend our racist Foreign Secretary.
Now - descibe all thes antisemitism and their behaviour - how many are there of these hordes - if their Antisemites is so serious - why are you unable to describe it?
Far from being concerned about racism and bigotry, you are a prime example of both Mudcat's resident cup-holder, in fact.
While we're at it - do you have any vies on Cameron's resignation honours list - or is perceived Labour dishonesty the only thing taht concerns you (rhetorical question, of course?)
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Aug 16 - 03:13 PM

Fine words butter no parsnips, Keith. The man was out to get Chakrabarti. Let's just see how that channel pans out then, shall we? They sound like they have exactly your philosophy apropos of pro-Israel, and we know how that stinks. You say Chakrabarti was easy on Labour. You know what the remarks were and so do I. I think she was right on the money, criticising precisely how and what she should have. I heard unwise and ignorant remarks. I heard no antisemitism. If you did, it was only because you've adopted a useless, over-broad definition. Tough. Your definition puts Jewish people in harm's way. That is antisemitic. One more thing. I asked you for EVIDENCE that Chakrabarti accepted a peerage IN RETURN FOR A WHITEWASH. You have produced a lot of surmise, a lot of jumping to unjustified conclusions and have demonstrated a lynch-mob mentality. Bloody good job you don't work in the justice system. As a person of proven integrity she drops hot shit on disreputable people like you.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Aug 16 - 02:53 PM

Not so, Bobad. Watch the interview. The man is an attack-dog. And I don't even know whether he's a Jew or not. I didn't say Jews. I said pro-Israel regime bigots. Do try to focus.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 06 Aug 16 - 02:33 PM

that bunch of pro-Israel regime bigots

For Jew haters anyone who is pro Israel is automatically a bigot.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Aug 16 - 02:21 PM

Jim,
As many ther Labour members and MPs said, it doesn't.

Really?
Name one who actually said "it doesn't stink."

Steve,
Watch the interview, which was carried out by an attack-dog. And don't give me that independent-from-Israel rubbish. Just watch some of their output.

The same thing happened on Newsnight.
Is Kirsty Wark an "attack dog" too?

Kirsty Wark: Is there a peerage in the offing? It has been discussed a Labour peerage might be in the offing for you?
Shami Chakrabarti: I don't know Kirsty, are you going to take one?

"J-TV" .. that bunch of pro-Israel regime bigots

Will you for once justify your latest wild assertion?
I doubt it, but a first time for everything!

"Zanzer was keen to point out that the channel was independent from the state of Israel and "will not necessarily be pro- or anti-Israel; we'll let the public hear the Israeli perspective and it'll be up to the viewers to decide whether they're right".

The channel's Israeli bureau chief, CNN and ABC News veteran Jordana Miller, was also adamant that JN1 will not become a "propaganda station", saying "there's nothing about this network that will exclude, diminish or cut off the Palestinian narrative when it comes to the conflict here"."

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Aug 16 - 02:06 PM

Steve,
DOES NOT MEAN THAT SHE ACCEPTED THE PEERAGE IN RETURN FOR A WHITEWASH.

You mean we should all trust that she would have been so easy on Labour had she not been bribed with a peerage?
Bollocks.
You can not be considered independent if you are accepting payoffs from one side.
All credibility is destroyed.
As one Labour MP said, "It stinks."
As another prominent Labour MP, Keith Vaz, the British Parliament's longest-serving Asian MP and member of the Privy Council said,
"'We were told that this was an independent inquiry and if it transpires that Shami Chakrabarti was offered her peerage before she was appointed or during the time she was appointed to conduct that inquiry then we needed to have been told,' Mr Vaz told Sky News."

OK Steve.
It is not just us but many within Labour who can not stomach this devious and corrupt state of affairs.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Aug 16 - 01:52 PM

Jim,
You'e accused me of being a racist becaue I criticise Britain, you've just attempted to implicate Steve with being a racist

No, I have accused no-one of racism, so stop trying to make this debate about me again you sad, obsessed man.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Aug 16 - 12:03 PM

"Forgive my reluctance to believe that, but the reason"
Do not call me a liar - my attitude really is none of your business.
All those years of Tory misrule, as you put it, were enough to make anybody realise that parliamentary democracy was and basically remains a total sham.
"Have I described the "British people lazy scroungers and British industry as crap not worth preserving"?"
You know bloody well you have, just as you have described British industry as crap and not worth preserving.
If a country is unable to provide full employment, it has to create a welfare system to cater for those unable to find work - that is accepted by all civilised states.
It doesn't encourage "lazy scroungers trapped within" any system - a society unable to cater for the population as a whole does that.
Your/Tebbit's "get on your bike" theory, which you still refuse to discuss the implications of, has the effect of destroying families and, as rents and accommodation prices are tied into where employment is, is bound to create an unstable population of itinerant workers with no fixed accommodation.   
"As to British Industry being crap - what ALL OF IT??"
Virtually all the major industries, certainly the ones necessary to create a long-term stable economy.   
Britain had industries that not only produced top-class products, but were long term and were potentially able to create the stability necessary to weather crises beyond the control of national governments - Thatcher and other Tory administrations systematically destroyed those leaving Britain with no industrial base steel, coal, light industries, shipping, textiles..... the pride of the Industrial revolution, all gone to suit the bank accounts of the privileged few
MEETING OUR MAKERS
"I will let you run on blanket generalisations"
You can't resist being pompous, no matter how hard you try!
I do wish you'd come to terms with your own intellectual shortcomings - there are very few people here you are in a position to talk down to - your are little more than a know-nothing blow-hard similar to all those pub bores who try to impress us with their wide experience and deep knowledge.
That is the reason you bully and bluster the way you do.
Wise up to yourself
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Aug 16 - 11:32 AM

Ukip and the Tory right are the same beast. Two cheeks of the same arse. You are definitely of the Tory-right persuasion going by everything you say. You are in Ukip's camp and you put yourself there.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Aug 16 - 11:28 AM

Having accepted the nomination and having (according to you, and big deal anyway) been sworn to secrecy DOES NOT MEAN THAT SHE ACCEPTED THE PEERAGE IN RETURN FOR A WHITEWASH. That is what you accused her of and that is what you can't support with evidence. Refusing to answer an impertinent question is not evidence. Watch the interview, which was carried out by an attack-dog. And don't give me that independent-from-Israel rubbish. Just watch some of their output.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 06 Aug 16 - 09:53 AM

So you did mean to say that you hadn't voted for them since before Blair became leader. Forgive my reluctance to believe that, but the reason I somehow doubt it is that going by what you write there is absolutely no way on this Earth that you would have failed to vote Labour in the 1997 election after all those years of "Tory misrule" - you wouldn't have been able to resist the temptation to assist in the removal of a Tory Government.

Have I described the "British people lazy scroungers and British industry as crap not worth preserving"?

I think my condemnation was of successive British Government who have created a welfare system that encourages people to become lazy scroungers and trapped within a system that was only ever envisioned as providing a temporary safety net. As to British Industry being crap - what ALL OF IT?? I will let you run on blanket generalisations, I prefer to deal in specifics and fact. The bits that were crap have gone to the wall, the bits of those bits that were good still survive and thrive.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Aug 16 - 09:30 AM

Grow up Terri.

Some hope, for a lying sack of dirt.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Aug 16 - 08:28 AM

"You mean you actually voted for Blair Jom??? "
Read what I said - no I did not vote for Blair.
It had become obvios where the Labout=r party was heading leng before him
What's your point anyway, and what the ****'s it got to do with you?
You really are a nosy little squalid.
"Well as your pals and "eggers-on"
I have no pals or "eggers on" on this forum - I have never b=needed egging on by anybody - unlike you, who appears to take your inspiration from schoolyard bullies and closing time thugs
Narsty little man
I respect people who are in The Labour Party to win it back for the people who made it, but that's as far as it goes
"we already know you to be a racist, a bigot and an Anglophobe"
No you don't - but we know you to be a self-declared fascist.
Waste of time my asking you to provide anything resembling proof of my racism or bigotry - thugs like you don't do that sort of thing
As for my Anglophobia - you are the one who describes British people lazy scroungers and British industry as crap not worth preserving.
Having you head stuck up the arse of the establishment doesn't in any way show love of country, though it is an indication of your fascism.
You really are incapable of behaving like a human being, aren't you
Having your head stuck up the arse of the establishment and your own arse at the same time is a sight to behold
Any word on your tent- towns yet?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 06 Aug 16 - 08:04 AM

SHOCK !! HORROR !!! Steve Shaw missed out on a comma. Hold the front page !!

Grow up Terri.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 06 Aug 16 - 08:01 AM

"not a word from the unholy trinity of right-wingers here criticising Ukip's scumbag racism. Oops, sorry, I forgot: you're all in their camp, of course. Silly me! 😂😂😂"

"In-their-camp" since when Steve?? You and your pals Jom & Raggy keep telling me I'm Tory through and through - do make your minds up.

Chakrabarti on being asked a perfectly simple question could easily have answered "No" without violating confidentiality, however she did not - perhaps as a lawyer she realised the position that that might have put her in if later facts came out to reveal that it turned out to be untrue.

Steve Shaw - 06 Aug 16 - 05:45 AM

Amazing what you learn reading the threads on this Forum. For example, did Putin really rise - "stealthily through the ranks of a party riven by rivalries and alcohol-fuelled rows" - So a career path very similar to that of Boris Yeltsin then.

The contenders for leadership of UKIP are:
Diane James: a former wrestler: an MEP who wrote a book celebrating golliwogs: and a councillor seeking a ban on Muslim schools.

They sound a varied selection of individuals. As an avowed atheist I would have thought that you would be opposed to Faith based education of any description.

I see that Birrell got this bit right:

"Now his forces focus on fresh ambitions – to become a permanent political fixture by exploiting the disruption of consensus, disenchantment with Westminster and disintegration of Labour."

Isn't Corbyn doing a great job.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 06 Aug 16 - 07:38 AM

Don't think I've ever mentioned whether I am a member of any political party Terri, yet alone declared I am a member of the Labour Party. If you can prove otherwise I would be very surprised.

In the meantime perhaps you could restrict your post to the truth.



Though I doubt that and will not hold my breath.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 06 Aug 16 - 07:23 AM

"I'm not a member of the Labour Party - as things stand at present, I don't even support their policies - I haven't voted for them since Blair and his cronies turned the party into a shadow Tory Party, so why should I have any regard for such guidelines?"

You mean you actually voted for Blair Jom??? Or maybe you meant to say that you hadn't voted for them since before Blair, but I somehow doubt it. As to why you might take heed of such guidelines? Well as your pals and "eggers-on" on this Forum are declared members of the Labour Party it would save them the embarrassment of having to correct your racist views Jom. No need to bother about us, we already know you to be a racist, a bigot and an Anglophobe on top of being a complete and utter idiot.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Aug 16 - 06:42 AM

"That is enough to undermine its credibility,"
Only if its findings have peen prove incorrect, and they have not.
This is merely changing focus from one failed line of attack to another.
Before any judgement can me bade of the report it has to be proven beyond any doubt that there is a serious problem of Antisemitism in the Labour Party, that has been found to have been not the case and until that changes the report stands.
As a Labour MP said, "it stinks."
As many ther Labour members and MPs said, it doesn't.
"You sad, obsessed man."
You nasty little serial racist.
"But I have, repeatedly!"
You lie - you never have.
You'e accused me of being a racist becaue I criticise Britain, you've just attempted to implicate Steve with being a racist
You have produced a couple of statements that suggest there is a link between the criminality of less than one thousand Muslim men (described as "testosterone fizzing young people" by one of your star witnesses.
Your statement accuses the entire male Pakistani population of being inclined to rape children because of their implanted culture.
You have never produced anybody who has ever suggested that, though I have no doubt that, if you dredge some of the most extreme racist sites, you will turn up something there that coincides with your claim, I'm sure.
We most certainly are NOT implanted by our culture - that reduces all to the level of unthinking automatons without a free will - which is how you described Pakistanis.
We accept or reject aspects off what we experience for a whole number of reasons - it's what makes us individuals rather than cloned cack-animals.
You are a very stupid, very unpleasant individual - you lack tolerance, you lack humanity, honesty and you lack morals in any shape or form - your raison d'être appears to be to win something
Do not call anybody a racist again and do not call me a liar again after all the lies you've told, particularly recently.
I'm "sad and obsessed" - I suggest you examine your own sad obsessions - you might start by counting the number of times you've claimed to have won something.
For the sake of honest discussion on this forum I suggest you and Teribus and Bobad get your shirt together and clean up your act - between you, you are the unacceptable face of humanity.

Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Aug 16 - 06:19 AM

Steve,
"J-TV" .. that bunch of pro-Israel regime bigots

Will you for once justify your latest wild assertion?
I doubt it, but a first time for everything!

"Zanzer was keen to point out that the channel was independent from the state of Israel and "will not necessarily be pro- or anti-Israel; we'll let the public hear the Israeli perspective and it'll be up to the viewers to decide whether they're right".

The channel's Israeli bureau chief, CNN and ABC News veteran Jordana Miller, was also adamant that JN1 will not become a "propaganda station", saying "there's nothing about this network that will exclude, diminish or cut off the Palestinian narrative when it comes to the conflict here"."

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Aug 16 - 06:10 AM

Steve,

By the way, the "J-TV" that Teribus refers to is a YouTube channel calling itself the Global Jewish Channel. You can watch Shami quite properly "evading" the question

Having accepted the nomination, she was sworn to secrecy.
Otherwise she could just have answered no.
It happened on Newsnight too.

She accepted the peerage before or during her inquiry, which as Streeting quite properly said, "stinks."

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Aug 16 - 06:02 AM

Steve,
Makes Labour's "serious antisemitism problem" pale into insignificance, doesn't it? But not a word from the unholy trinity of right-wingers here criticising Ukip's scumbag racism.

Not criticising or defending.
I hate racism in any form in any party.
You still deny that any antisemitic statemnets have been made by Labour.
hence this debate.

You accused her of taking the peerage IN RETURN FOR A WHITEWASH REPORT.   In return for it, Keith. Prove it

It is proven that she was offered and accepted a peerage before or during the writing of her report.
That is enough to undermine its credibility, and it is not just us saying that.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Aug 16 - 05:57 AM

By the way, the "J-TV" that Teribus refers to is a YouTube channel calling itself the Global Jewish Channel. You can watch Shami quite properly "evading" the question. Christ only knows why she agreed to appear with that bunch of pro-Israel regime bigots in the first place was my reaction.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Aug 16 - 05:45 AM

This is Cameron's ex-speech writer, Ian Birrell, in yesterday's Guardian, writing about Ukip.

Three members of the executive committee resigned in protest and there is dark talk of a split, with the insurance millionaire Arron Banks talking of purchasing another party. The new favourite is Diane James, an admirer of Vladimir Putin who has risen stealthily through the ranks of a party riven by rivalries and alcohol-fuelled rows. Among those she faces are a former wrestler, an MEP who wrote a book celebrating golliwogs and a councillor seeking a ban on Muslim schools.
As ever with fringe groups, the savagery of the infighting seems out of all proportion to size. Indeed, the party appears pointless once Brexit is implemented. The recent referendum result led Nigel Farage to stand down, saying that his political ambition was achieved. Now his forces focus on fresh ambitions – to become a permanent political fixture by exploiting the disruption of consensus, disenchantment with Westminster and disintegration of Labour.
None of the candidates jostling for position possess the cheeky chappie charm of Farage. Matthew Richardson, the party secretary, last year said they were standing up for "hundreds and thousands of bigots". Yet aided and abetted by fellow travellers in other parties, Ukip first spooked David Cameron into holding a referendum, then spooked a majority of voters into backing its cause.

Makes Labour's "serious antisemitism problem" pale into insignificance, doesn't it? But not a word from the unholy trinity of right-wingers here criticising Ukip's scumbag racism. Oops, sorry, I forgot: you're all in their camp, of course. Silly me! 😂😂😂 We probably won't need an enquiry, of course, as Ukip seems likely to self-immolate. Good riddance too if it happens.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Aug 16 - 05:30 AM

"She must have been offered it before the report" - bollocks. Not evidence. That proves absolutely nothing. Thrown out of court. You accused her of taking the peerage IN RETURN FOR A WHITEWASH REPORT.   In return for it, Keith. Prove it. Put up or shut up. And Teribus, dear chap, has it not occurred to you that dignified people routinely refuse to answer insulting and uncalled-for questions? You wouldn't do it and I wouldn't do it. If someone came up to you and said "Hey, Bill, are you a child molester?" Would you dignify the questioner with an answer? I bloody wouldn't. I'd tell him to bugger off in no uncertain terms and so would you. Now if you have solid evidence that she accepted a peerage IN RETURN FOR a whitewash, let's be having it. It is a very serious accusation, and it might not have occurred to you that had there been any truth in it at all it would be the scandal of the year. Instead, it's not even a nine-day wonder, and only that because of the hysterical bleatings of a few pro-Israel bigots who are actually very close to breaking the law by making unfounded and unsupportable accusations against her.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Aug 16 - 04:28 AM

Steve,
Keith said he has the evidence but he can't produce it.

The secret was out within 3 weeks of the report (see my video link).
I was referring to the peerage offer myself a few days after that, weeks before it was announced, so it was leaked.

As T said, she must have been offered it before she produced her report.
As a Labour MP said, "it stinks."

Jim,
Call anybody a racist again and 'pouff' - up it will come.

I never have, but you have been dredging up that old stuff for years, and unless Mudcat finally stops you, you will continue trying to make threads about me instead of the issue.
You sad, obsessed man.

The fact that you have never produced anybody who you claim made a claim about implanted Pakistanis,

But I have, repeatedly!
We are all implanted to some extent by our culture, and I quoted many people who said the culture led to the offending.
I know nothing about that culture myself and made no claim about it myself.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Aug 16 - 03:33 AM

"I have, every time you dredge it up."
Good - then we're both happy and will continue to be for the forseeable future.
The fact that you have never produced anybody who you claim made a claim about implanted Pakistanis, nor will you ever do so, proves it to be your statement alone.
Call anybody a racist again and 'pouff' - up it will come.
I've got very tired with you and your thuggish mate deliberately wrecking these threads with your dishonest stonewalling, your constant desire to "win", your extreme inhumanity, your hypocrisy and your insulting behaviour - both of you.
"4. Labour members should resist the use of Hitler, Nazi and Holocaust metaphors, distortions and comparisons in debates about Israel-Palestine in particular."
I'm not a member of the Labour Party - as things stand at present, I don't even support their policies - I haven't voted for them since Blair and his cronies turned the party into a shadow Tory Party, so why should I have any regard for such guidelines?
This comparison is now being made worldwide by Jews and non Jews, inside and outside of Israel, including by members of the Israeli establishment
General Golan
Holocaust survivors
Holocaust survivors petition
The definition of Antisemitism has always included the clause that it is forbidden to blame the Jewish People for the actions of the Israeli Government, yet the Israelis, by claiming that it is Antisemitic to criticise Israeli policy, are doing exactly this - equating their policies with the wishes of the Jews.
This makes any definition totally invalid.
"You really are a mental case, aren't you.....sick, sick, sick!"
No - it is you, by blaming the Jewish people for the atrocities carried out by Israel, who are sick - it is you who is the right wing extremist and it is you who denigrates the Palestinian people with cut-'n-pastes from fascist sites and supports the mass murder of civilians, refugees, women and children, and the destruction of their homes, schools and hospitals, the use of chemical and anti-personnel weapons, the massacre of 3,500 unarmed refugees........ who are as sick as the sickest parrot
GENOCIDE
Your defence of Israel is, by definition Antisemitic, so don't tell me I am sick
Your torrent of vitriolic abuse underlines exactly what you are.
You want to make a case for Israel, do so with genuine evidence, not long lists put together by fanatical Islamophobic organisations.
You want a decent argument - stop using Antisemitic arguments - you are no better than and little different from the BNP trolls that pop up from time to time on this site.
Nobody here has ever at any time on this forum accused the Jewish People of anything other than people like you.
You claim I am an extremist left-winger - do you have any evidence of this - course you haven't - people like you don't need evidence to make their insulting accusations.
Now - produce some proof or crawl back under your bridge
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 06 Aug 16 - 01:35 AM

Steve Shaw - 05 Aug 16 - 05:56 PM

"Sorry, but if you are going to make an accusation (or, in your cases, a smear) ................................................ you must produce the evidence."

Good heavens Shaw, that is a bit of a turn round - you and your pals have been casting accusations and allegations around about people on this forum for years as a routine debating tactic and proudly declaring that no evidence or substantiation was required or would be forthcoming - A yes but I forgot - One sauce for the Goose another for the Gander, that hypocritical stance is regarded as being perfectly acceptable to you and your pals.

Chakrabarti was asked the question point blank in a TV interview:

"Oliver Anisfeld, J-TV's Founder said: "Many have criticised Chakrabarti's report into anti-Semitism in the Labour Party as simply written to provide cover for Jeremy Corbyn and his own troubling record of liaisons with known Jew haters.

"Chakrabarti's refusal to deny that she was offered a peerage raises certain questions - all she had to do was say 'no', assuming she hadn't, but she was uncomfortable and evasive. Viewers can draw their own conclusions."

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 10:43 PM

British Jewish Community in Uproar After Controversial Author of 'Whitewash' Antisemitism Inquiry 'Rewarded' With Prestigious Parliamentary Position

The Algemeiner

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 07:07 PM

Shit, Greg, how could I not realise that. Damn. Bugger. Well hit me on the bottom with the Woman's Weekly. By the way, which bobad did you mean? The "man" known as bobad, or the wimp who posed as an anonymous Guest, bleating about the need to address the issue, not the man, whilst calling us Jew-haters? That bobad? 😂😂😂

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 06:41 PM

Bubo can't demonstrate that up is up, fer chrissakes, Steve.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 06:03 PM

Well, bobad, all I'm getting is a hysterical slogan and a kind offer to subscribe to Haaretz. I'd much sooner buy beer. 😂😂😂

By the way, can you demonstrate that the "Jewish community" is feeling "sold out" by Labour?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 05:56 PM

Sorry, but if you are going to make an accusation (or, in your cases, a smear) that she was PROMISED A PEERAGE IN RETURN FOR A WHITEWASH you must produce the evidence. All I'm hearing from you lot is surmise and conjecture. No smoke without fire, etc., put two and two together and make a hundred and two, but with not a single scrap of substantiation. It's amazing how you lot will defend Boris, Pinochet and Farage who are all bang to rights yet attack a woman who has demonstrated the highest level of integrity in public service for decades, simply because she didn't hang, draw and quarter a few idiots who needed to watch their mouths but who are clearly not antisemitic. Now bloody well piss or get off the pot. Keith said he has the evidence but he can't produce it. You lot are backing him up. What in Christ's name does that say about you? Evidence, please, or just knock it off. The woman in question has a damn sight more integrity than any of you lot could muster in a million years.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 05:54 PM

You really are a mental case, aren't you.

Asshole, heal thyself. Eyes, beams, motes & etc.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 05:34 PM

The peerage Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn gave to Shami Chakrabarti, head of the party's latest inquiry into its own anti-Semitism, is an act of stunning hypocrisy and failure of principles, U.K. Jews be damned.

The Labour Party's Cynical Sell-out of the Jewish Community on anti-Semitism

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 05:28 PM

Suggest that all you "lefties" who reckon that there is nothing untoward about Shami Chakrabarti's peerage, or the timing of it should take a look at the process particularly the timing of it.

Keith A sais the following:

"If she was offered a peerage before the report came out, then it is perfectly reasonable to assume it was intended to influence it."

The process takes quite some time and those so honoured are never taken by surprise when it is announced publicly because they have been forewarned and told of the honour and sworn to secrecy. This is done to avoid the embarrassment that could arise if anyone actually refused the honour. The Chakrabarti Report was dated 30th June, 2016 - A mere five weeks ago, the process would have been started a bit further back than that.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 05:26 PM

Steve, you said (italics not working again)
"By the way, you alleged that Chakrabarti was promised a peerage in return for a whitewash."

If she was offered a peerage before the report came out, then it is perfectly reasonable to assume it was intended to influence it.

That is why Streeting said it "stinks" and it "undermines" the "remaining credibilty" of her report.

Her interviewer must have known well before about the offer or he would not have raised the issue.
She refused to answer, so she obviously was aware of it too and realised how bad it looked.

Perfectly reasonable my arse. You have failed to produce the evidence that your claim required. Talk about extrapolations and made-up shite. That is a smear. You accuse other people of "smearing" you when the accusations are accurate, then you smear Chakrabarti on completely tenuous grounds. Jesus, you'd have been a great judge for Senator McCarthy, or during the Red Scares. You have about one thousandth of the integrity of Shami Chakrabarti, if that, so it's high time you shut your big gob about her. Next to you, she's a shining star of integrity beside a pile of ordure. Had it been true that she accepted the promise of a peerage in return for producing a whitewash, and that that had been leaked as you claimed, it would have provided the scandal of scandals. But it hasn't. It's produced a few wankers like you and the Tory press trying to make hay, and it's got nowhere. What's your next move? Are you sure that Jeremy doesn't eat babies? This is right up there with your Wheatcroft moment and your spurious claim about the EUMC non-document. You are a disreputable desperado of the worst kind.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 05:00 PM

"you still haven't responded to the Tory's failure to respond to the calls for an enquiry into racism and Islamophobia - Labour managed it without any trouble"

What calls for an inquiry into racism and Islamophobia?

Labour managed it without any trouble

Labour managed it without any trouble because they contrived to hush it up. While Labour might be rather good at that, the Tories seem to have their act together for a far greater degree when it comes to electing a new leader.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 04:54 PM

"Whose new rule guidelines?"

Those recommended to Labour's NEC by our new member of the House of Lords Jom.

Key Recommendation No.4 from her Report (But of course you would have known that Jom wouldn't you if you had read it)

"4. Labour members should resist the use of Hitler, Nazi and Holocaust metaphors, distortions and comparisons in debates about Israel-Palestine in particular."

You were drawing such comparisons weren't you Jom - you naughty little "socialist" you - maybe if you apologise they will let you come back and play after you've stood in the corner for the amazingly short time required.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 03:41 PM

You are an extremist of the type that instigated the murder of six million Jews, along with the mentally ill, Gypsies, left wingers and those considered unfit for society - only this time your target is Arabs rather than Jews.

You really are a mental case, aren't you.....sick, sick, sick!

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 03:34 PM

The fact you referred to Sadiq Khan as the PAKISTANI Mayor of London speaks volumes about your RACISM.

Sadiq Khan was born and raised in London, he describes himself as a Londoner, he is a Londoner and therefore British.

Your referral to his background has everything to do with your RACISM.

You will keep digging because that is what you do. You obviously do not have the wit or intelligence to comprehend that all you type compounds the fact that you are a RACIST. If you want to continue to make it clear that you are a RACIST that that's fine by me.

Please keep digging.