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Subject: RE: BS: Dubya vs. Whom in 04? From: Little Hawk Date: 16 Jun 01 - 02:16 PM Ah, well, yes...Nader for sure. He had the wisdom and guts to state the truth, which is that until you break the stranglehold that the Redemocrapublicants have on the election process in the USA your vote is virtually meaningless. Break down and admit it, people. Don't fiddle about the minor points. You've all been had by a system that serves people who are so rich that you probably can't even imagine it. Reform election financing (limit it, in other words), and you might begin to see a vague possibility of actually having a democracy...which is not what you have now...merely the pretense of one. Same deal in Canada. Just more "parties" here. And to hell with them all, as far as I'm concerned. They have proven again and again to be liars and frauds. I make no exceptions. Doug - Yep, I was jesting! :-) You betcha! Bill - Definitely! Hit the lecture circuit. That's what I'd do if I were you. You're a very personable guy, so make the best of it. - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dubya vs. Whom in 04? From: DougR Date: 16 Jun 01 - 04:20 PM Nader supporters unite! It's not too early! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dubya vs. Whom in 04? From: DougR Date: 16 Jun 01 - 04:21 PM Nader supporters, unite! It's not too early to start! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dubya vs. Whom in 04? From: Little Hawk Date: 16 Jun 01 - 04:28 PM Doug, are you jesting? - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dubya vs. Whom in 04? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 16 Jun 01 - 04:33 PM Would Monica Lewinsky be old enough by then?
Remember "the great are only great because we are on our knees..." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dubya vs. Whom in 04? From: DougR Date: 16 Jun 01 - 05:59 PM Maybe a tad, LH. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dubya vs. Whom in 04? From: MarkS Date: 16 Jun 01 - 07:40 PM What difference does it make? O what the hell
Rush Limbaugh |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dubya vs. Whom in 04? From: DougR Date: 16 Jun 01 - 08:57 PM Barbara Striesand? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dubya vs. Whom in 04? From: Crazy Eddie Date: 17 Jun 01 - 03:03 AM Clint Eastwood, with Sylvester Stallone as VP. (I'd give Arnie the VP spot, but does he qualify?) (Course I'm not sure Clint is old enough- i mean, he's not a RETIRED actor, is he?) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dubya vs. Whom in 04? From: GUEST,DrKev Date: 18 Jun 01 - 12:18 PM I was recently pointed to this site by a friend in the UK. Just for the purposes of clarification: 1) There is nothing constitutionally to prevent a former president from being vice-president. In fact, Gerald Ford was seriously considered for Reagan's running mate in 1980. Even with the unexpected demise of the president, the 22nd Amendment would not stand in the way of the former pres/current VP from assuming office. The amendment forbids a person being ELECTED president more than twice, but says nothing about him being able to serve in that capacity if he is not elected to the position. 2) McCain is a Republican, and very unlikely to change parties, so his likelihood of becoming the Dem. nominee in 2004 are negligible. 3)Although Jeffords left the GOP, he did not join the Dems. He's also pretty old, so he'd be an unlikely choice. 4) I don't think there's any way the Dems. would nominate Nader, nor Nader join the Dems. after what happened in 2000. 5) Daschle is a possibility, as is Gephart, especially if the Dems. take the House in the 2002 elections. However, the nomination is probably Gore's to lose. I've already seen bumperstickers on cars here that state "Re-Elect Gore in 2004." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dubya vs. Whom in 04? From: mousethief Date: 18 Jun 01 - 12:24 PM Then I'd probably better not bother. Besides, who can raise that many millions of dollars in 3 short years? Alex |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dubya vs. Whom in 04? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 18 Jun 01 - 12:47 PM Tom Lehrer |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dubya vs. Whom in 04? From: Kim C Date: 18 Jun 01 - 12:53 PM How about Jesse Ventura with Ted Nugent as VP? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dubya vs. Whom in 04? From: mousethief Date: 18 Jun 01 - 12:59 PM Ted Nugent? I'd vote for Jesse Ventura for prez, but Ted Nugent? Alex |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dubya vs. Whom in 04? From: Pseudolus Date: 18 Jun 01 - 01:07 PM I thought in addition to having a limit of being elected two times there was also a ten year total limit! In other words, a vice president could "take over" for the last two years and still run twice after that but if he/she took over for the last three years, he/she could only run once......old wives tale?? Frank |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dubya vs. Whom in 04? From: Pseudolus Date: 18 Jun 01 - 01:21 PM Found it... the actual limit IS ten years, if you serve more than 2 years of a presidency that someone else was elected to (i.e. vice-presidential promotion) you can only run once more...... Like this will affect MY decision to run or not *BG* Frank The 22nd Amendment Section 1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this Article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this Article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this Article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.
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Subject: RE: BS: Dubya vs. Whom in 04? From: Lonesome EJ Date: 18 Jun 01 - 01:22 PM Ted Nugent would probably be the first President to vacation at Camp David carrying a bow and arrows and wearing a loin cloth. Heck, maybe that's what we need in this country! How about Dylan? The press conferences would be a hoot. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dubya vs. Whom in 04? From: mousethief Date: 18 Jun 01 - 01:24 PM But what if Bill is elected VP, and Hillary (God forbid) has a heart attack and dies less than 2 years into her first term. Could Bill fill out the remainder of her term? The amendment only seems to say that once you've served more than 2 years of somebody else's term, you can't be elected more than once. It doesn't say anything about serving more than 2 years of somebody else's term after you've already been elected twice. It would seem it would be perfectly allowable. Alex |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dubya vs. Whom in 04? From: JedMarum Date: 18 Jun 01 - 01:28 PM DrKev - I suspect you are incorrect about the likelihood of McCain jumping ship and assisting the Dems winning the White House. At the moment there is no one capable of winning a Dem ticket, but I think with McCain's current trend of alienating himself from the Repub party, and his work behind the scenes with Dem leadership - put him in a very good place to turn the Republican mainstream out of power. I also believe that is his intention. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dubya vs. Whom in 04? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 18 Jun 01 - 01:39 PM So there's nothing to stop Baby Bush being elected in 2004 and again in 2008 - I mean they can't really count that shambles in November can they?
To balance that of course, by the same logic, if Gore were to get selected and elected in 2004 I imagine he'd only be allowed to serve one term...
Incidentally, during the election over here they were talking on the TV about delays for recounts. Apparently it takes about one quarter of an hour, with a manual count and an adequate number of people doing the counting. (And of course it wouldn't take any longer to carry out a recount in every single constituency than it does for just one.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dubya vs. Whom in 04? From: Tedham Porterhouse Date: 18 Jun 01 - 01:40 PM The what-ifs about Bill running as Hilary's V-P are kind of silly. Even though I've never talked to Hillary, I feel confident in giving you my personal guarantee that should she ever run for president, Bill will not be the V-P candidate. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dubya vs. Whom in 04? From: mousethief Date: 18 Jun 01 - 01:44 PM I'm sure you're right, Tedham. But I think the people who were discussing it (including myself) were being self-consciously tongue-in-cheek. Alex |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dubya vs. Whom in 04? From: Tedham Porterhouse Date: 18 Jun 01 - 01:47 PM Alex, I was also being tongue-in-cheek when I gave my personal guarantee. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dubya vs. Whom in 04? From: mousethief Date: 18 Jun 01 - 01:47 PM Ah, but were you self-conscious? :-) Alex |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dubya vs. Whom in 04? From: thosp Date: 18 Jun 01 - 01:49 PM very funny re:gore only being allowed to serve once McGrath of H ------- i'm likely to vote for Nader again but i'm wondering if the dems will field a gore/mccain ticket? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dubya vs. Whom in 04? From: DougR Date: 18 Jun 01 - 01:54 PM Seems to me, McGrath, that some enterprising Brit could make a killing selling their services to the state of Florida as an election consultant! Jed: I agree with you 100%. I received a letter asking me to send money for my annual membership in the Arizona Republican Party recently. I replied that when I could be assured that Senator McCain was going to start supporting his party's agenda, I'd renew. 'Til then, forget it. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dubya vs. Whom in 04? From: JedMarum Date: 18 Jun 01 - 01:58 PM LOL Good for you, Doug! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dubya vs. Whom in 04? From: mousethief Date: 18 Jun 01 - 02:04 PM Ah yes, far more important to toe the party line than to vote your conscience. Alex |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dubya vs. Whom in 04? From: DougR Date: 18 Jun 01 - 03:05 PM He wasn't elected by his conscience. He was elected by republicans. Anyway, Goldwater has a monoply on that line. It doesn't bother me if he votes his conscience anyway. But if his conscience reflects the democratic agenda, rather than the party that elected him, then he should become a democrat. I would have no problem with that either. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dubya vs. Whom in 04? From: mousethief Date: 18 Jun 01 - 03:45 PM He was elected by voters. Alex |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dubya vs. Whom in 04? From: mousethief Date: 18 Jun 01 - 04:05 PM Doug: Have the voters long known he isn't a party-line man, or is this a recent thing? Alex |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dubya vs. Whom in 04? From: DougR Date: 18 Jun 01 - 04:37 PM Since he lost the election. He hasn't strayed from the party line, probably, anymore than the average politician in either party until very recently. I think, to a great degree, he is simply carrying on a vendetta against GW because he beat McCain. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dubya vs. Whom in 04? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 18 Jun 01 - 04:37 PM Do you have to be a Republican to vote for a Republican candidate in America? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dubya vs. Whom in 04? From: Kim C Date: 18 Jun 01 - 04:48 PM Nope. You can vote for whomever you like in the general election. In the primary you have to say which party you're voting for, but there again, you can be a Whig and vote for a Know-Nothing. I said Ted Nugent because like Jesse, Ted doesn't mince his words and I find that very refreshing. It used to be in this country that we appreciated people who spoke their minds. Now we try to sue them. ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dubya vs. Whom in 04? From: mousethief Date: 18 Jun 01 - 04:53 PM I had no idea Ted Nugent was into politics. All I think about when I hear "Ted Nugent" is absurd mid-70s rock and absurd hair. Alex |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dubya vs. Whom in 04? From: Little Hawk Date: 18 Jun 01 - 05:20 PM And electric guitars that mutate into machine guns... Is he kind of like Jesse Ventura, then? - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dubya vs. Whom in 04? From: Kim C Date: 18 Jun 01 - 05:20 PM He's not into politics. That's why he should run for office. It'd be nice to have a non-politician in there somewhere. The problem is, all the best people are too smart to seek the position. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dubya vs. Whom in 04? From: mousethief Date: 18 Jun 01 - 05:22 PM Amen to that last thought, KimC! Alex |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dubya vs. Whom in 04? From: DougR Date: 18 Jun 01 - 07:07 PM Who is Ted Nugent? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dubya vs. Whom in 04? From: mousethief Date: 18 Jun 01 - 11:49 PM A rock guitarist from the mid-70's. He would have been called "heavy" in the 1970s but his stuff was far more melodic than anything that went under that name from the 1990's. His biggest hits were "Strangehold," "Hey Baby," and "Cat Scratch Fever." Alex |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dubya vs. Whom in 04? From: DougR Date: 19 Jun 01 - 12:36 AM Oh. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dubya vs. Whom in 04? From: JedMarum Date: 19 Jun 01 - 12:07 PM Ted's a fire arms enthusiast and defender of 2nd Ammendment rights. Considered by mainstream as a whacko, rock-n-roller gunfreak. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dubya vs. Whom in 04? From: mousethief Date: 19 Jun 01 - 12:09 PM I was wondering if that was the same Ted. Thanks, Jed Marum! Alex |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dubya vs. Whom in 04? From: JedMarum Date: 19 Jun 01 - 12:15 PM ... and McCain's standing up for what he believes? I have no problem with that - though I must say it's not exactly bold and daring of him to support popular Democratic themes. I am, however disappointed with his point-of-view. He certainly has the right to change his mind, to speak his mind and even to change his party/power-base. He is a well estalished politician in his AZ state, and will likely retain his seat come what may ... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dubya vs. Whom in 04? From: DougR Date: 19 Jun 01 - 01:09 PM There is a recall movement here in Arizona, but I have no reason to suspect it will succeed. I wouldn't sign the petition, anyway. I just think he's acting like a pouty little boy. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dubya vs. Whom in 04? From: Kim C Date: 19 Jun 01 - 01:10 PM Ted is also a bowhunter and reportedly doesn't eat meat he didn't kill himself. Also runs a bowhunting safety camp or something for kids. I think he could add a lot of excitement to the Vice Presidency. ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dubya vs. Whom in 04? From: Little Hawk Date: 19 Jun 01 - 01:12 PM Ted Nugent? Yeah. I had this computer game called "Deer Hunter Avenger" in which an angry deer (called "Bambo"... Ha Ha) acquires some high powered rifles and gear and goes out shooting the deer hunters. You play the deer, and he is a tough customer. The hunters (like the deer) are cartoon characters, and they vary from inbred rednecks to spoiled rich guys to gun-crazy survivalists. You can lure them within range by a number of stratagems. One is to blow a hunter-lure. It has several different settings. On one a seductive female voice coos "I'm naked...and I have a pizza...". Another yells "Beer! Getch'yr' free beer!" Another one oafishly shouts "Hey! Ted Nugent's here! Come on over and meet the Nuge!" When the gun-toting yokel comes into view you blast him. Great fun. One of them moans regretfully, "Now I'll never get to see Wrestlemania!" as he keels over... - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dubya vs. Whom in 04? From: GUEST Date: 20 Jun 01 - 12:31 PM I wonder if Ted's defense of the 2nd ammendment includes and understanding that his constitutional right to "keep and bear arms" is contingent upon his belonging to a "well regulated militia".
I hope he understands its the "security of a free state The language of Mr. Madison's ammendment is crystal clear. He keeps his "thirtyoughtsix" at the discretion of the community; and, notwithstanding the aforementioned exception, appeals to the second ammendment should are pure hogwash. Just a reminder that a few us us are still still hangin' in there on this gunthing. I keep quiet on this, as promised, except when the 2nd ammendment is construed in any fasion as bestowing an unlimited "right" to keep firearms. Sorry.
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Subject: RE: BS: Dubya vs. Whom in 04? From: Little Hawk Date: 20 Jun 01 - 12:48 PM Your grammar is a little odd, GUEST, but I agree with your point about what was intended by the original amendment. Back to the Deer Avenger game...you could also track down the hunters by looking for signs like: discarded beer cans, pizza boxes, cigarette butts, well-thumbed porno magazines, and such garbage. The woods were full of the stuff. If it looked recent enough, you could be reasonably sure a hunter was not far away. Grrrrr..... The game, of course, was a joke, and I do not mean to imply that all hunters are jerks...just some of them. - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dubya vs. Whom in 04? From: mousethief Date: 20 Jun 01 - 12:49 PM Yeah, just the jerky ones. Alex |