Subject: PORT MAHON - RECORDINGS? From: Date: 07 Apr 98 - 03:14 PM I am a part-time performer of traditional and trad. idiom songs. I have recently started performing Sydney Carter's Port Mahon, a wonderful song he wrote in the early 1960s. However, I got it from notation and have never heard it performed. I would love to hear a recording of it. Help or clues, anyone? |
Subject: RE: PORT MAHON - RECORDINGS? From: Bob Bolton Date: 20 Apr 98 - 02:10 AM G'day unknown folk singer, I have a recording at home (Sydney Australia) and also have Sydneys Carter's song books (~5 of them) which includes Port Mahon. If you don't get any answers (and the request appears to be 14 days old as I read it I can come to some arrangement to get a tape and/or photocopies to you. It is a beaut song and haunts me over the decades. I first heard Sydney Carter in 1972, at the 7th Australian Folk Festival. I haven't been reading these pages lately as I have just been at the 33rd! I am about to scan in the indexes of all the books and send them to an Australian performer who recently requested info on Sydney Carter. You could presumably contact me on these threads or at my personal page. Regards, Bob Bolton |
Subject: Index: Songs of Sydney Carter, Books 1-4 From: Bob Bolton Date: 21 Apr 98 - 09:56 PM G'day again, Turns out that I actually four books of Sydney Carter songs. I scanned in the indexes for someone else and here they are:
Songs of Sydney Carter: Books 1 to 4
2; In the present tense, bk. 2; Galliard 25075; 1969 3; In the present tense, bk. 3; Galliard 25078; 1969 4; Riding a Tune, bk. 1; Galliard B098; 1971
TITLE; REFERENCE; PAGE
Port Mahon is listed in the 1969 book as being recorded by: I have no idea if any of these have survived into the CD age. I am fairly certain that I have it on a vinyl LP, sung beautifully by Carole Pegg. I will check when I wade back into the vinyl shelves. Regards, Bob Bolton HTML line breaks added; also changed tabs to semicolon+space. --JoeClone, 16-Jun-02. |
Subject: RE: PORT MAHON - RECORDINGS? From: Bob Bolton Date: 21 Apr 98 - 10:09 PM G'day yet again... Hmm ... It seems that tab characters don't paste into the Mudcat email box. If you are interested inthe whole index, I suppose you could copy all the text into a word processing program and manual insert page returns after every page number (>70 lines). There are a few other typesetter's tricks to format the rest, but this isn't a typesetting seminar! Anyway, i hope this is some help. I'm sure that there are many more recent recordings, as Port Mahon is a beautiful song and I have heard it a number of times. A lot of Sydney Carter's music turns up in religious contexts - all the way from Quakers to Roman Catholics! - so that may be a useful search tip. Best of luck; I will get back with the reference for my LP. Bob Bolton |
Subject: RE: PORT MAHON - RECORDINGS? From: Ian Harvey-Pittaway Date: 24 Apr 98 - 02:40 PM Thanks for your message, Bob. I too have all the Sydney Carter song books, and so am aware of the recordings you mention, which I have been seeking - unsuccessfully! - at record fairs for some years now. It seems to me that SC is a great 'unsung' folk idiom writer. I can't understand why more of his songs aren't sung more often. I certainly do MY best! So . . . I'm still on the lookout for a currently available recording of Port Mahon . . . |
Subject: RE: PORT MAHON - RECORDINGS? From: Bob Bolton Date: 27 Apr 98 - 07:58 PM G'day Ian, I was greatly impressed by Sydney Carter when I heard him in Sydney and Canberra, in 1972. I love his songs - beautifully crafted with a wonderful sense of both tune and rhythm. If you are not successful in finding a record, I can, in extremis, run of a cassette copy of the recording in my collection. Contact me via this site or directly to my email address: bbolton@energy.com.au if it comes to this. regards, Bob Bolton |
Subject: Port Mahon 1960's song (?) Any lyrics? From: GUEST,Ros P. Date: 02 May 01 - 02:21 PM I'm looking for a song which begins "in Port Mahon(?) I went down to the harbour, A tall ship from England sailed up to the quay" Any ideas? |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Port Mahon 1960's song (?) Any lyr From: GUEST,Pete MacGregor Date: 02 May 01 - 03:26 PM I don't have the words but it was written by Sydney Carter - 'Lord of the Dance' etc. |
Subject: Lyr Add: PORT MAHON (Sidney Carter) From: nutty Date: 02 May 01 - 04:01 PM I've been singing this song since the early 70's and this is how I remember it It was recorded by Nadia Catoose(?)who was backed by Martin Carthy. Martin reckoned that he and I were probably the only ones to remember the song - obviously he was wrong PORT MAHON by Sidney Carter In Port Mahon,I went down to the harbour A tall ship from England sailed down to the quay And I fell in love with a young English sailor But he only laughed as he whispered to me From Port Mahon , I'll soon be gone Laughing or Weeping the world will go on
To Port Mahon came the orders one morning
To Port Mahon came news of a battle
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Port Mahon 1960's song (?) Any lyr From: Anglo Date: 02 May 01 - 04:49 PM That's pretty much how I remember it. Yes, Sydney Carter. Yes, Nadia Cattouse, who I believe was the wife of a West Indies (Jamaica?) ambassador. Martin accompanied her as a rule. She was a regular on a news roundup TV show (In Town Tonight? - the aging memory falters) as were Robin Hall & Jimmie MacGregor and a few others. Count me in as another who remembers it, though I haven't sung it in a while. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Port Mahon 1960's song (?) Any lyr From: MMario Date: 02 May 01 - 04:56 PM y'know, nutty, you should never have let me know you could do NWC files.....*grin* tune? |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Port Mahon 1960's song (?) Any lyr From: nutty Date: 02 May 01 - 05:28 PM I'll try MMario but this is a bit more complicated than straight 4/4 |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Port Mahon 1960's song (?) Any lyr From: Charley Noble Date: 02 May 01 - 05:57 PM Good work! |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Port Mahon 1960's song (?) Any lyr From: nutty Date: 02 May 01 - 08:47 PM MMario - the things I do for you *GRIN* Just finished the NWC file and I'm going to bed. Will post it to you in the morning after I've checked it. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Port Mahon 1960's song (?) Any lyr From: nutty Date: 03 May 01 - 06:42 AM MMario - tune file is on its way to you. Have fun |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Port Mahon 1960's song (?) Any lyr From: GUEST,Roger the skiffler Date: 03 May 01 - 06:47 AM God, I'd forgotten Nadia Cattouse! She, Cy Grant and Cliff Hall of the Spinners got me interested in W.Indies songs all those years ago. Another Whatever happened to... RtS |
Subject: Lyr Add: Port Mahon (Sydney Carter) From: Bob Bolton Date: 03 May 01 - 07:47 AM G'day Ros P, I checked the words in Songs of Sydney Carter - In the present tense - 3 and came up with this slightly corrected version:
PORT MAHÓN Sydney Carter, © 1962 I guess that the differences are small ... but they make for a more personal feel to the woman's words (OK - maybe I just hear Sydney Carter - or Carole Pegg - singing those words! Regards, Bob Bolton |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Port Mahon 1960's song (?) Any lyr From: nutty Date: 03 May 01 - 08:15 AM Bob - I have never seen a written copy of the words, nor have I written it down myself - it was passed to me as an oral version - so don't really think I've made too many mistakes after over 30 years of remembering. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Port Mahon 1960's song (?) Any lyr From: nutty Date: 03 May 01 - 08:17 AM PS - the tune has probably been subjected to the same oral tradition effects. I'll e-mail it to you if you would like to check it. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Port Mahon 1960's song (?) Any lyr From: MMario Date: 03 May 01 - 08:26 AM NWC file recieved from Nutty and passed on to Joe. Since it is a Sydney Carter tune - it probably won't end up in the DT - his publisher has problems with that...but people will have the file and can share... |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Port Mahon 1960's song (?) Any lyr From: Bob Bolton Date: 03 May 01 - 11:57 PM G'day Nutty, I would be interested to see how the tune has held up. I bought all four of his books when he toured Australia in 1972. He didn't have them for sale at the festival or his concerts, but told me where I could get them ... from the Presbyterian Bookshop! I did send him some of my concert photographs for possible use in later books ... but I have never seen any other books than the four that I bought then. The tune I have has a common form for verses 1, 2 and 4 with a variant for verse 3 ... then verse four extends for the extra two lines. I could set it in MusicTime and send you an exported MIDI file ... I could also send you black & white GIF scans of the sheet music (melody plus 2-line piano part, if I remember correctly - 3 sheets in all). 1-bit GIFs only run about 60 kb per page, so they don't overload your ISP's limits. I will PM my e-mail address to you. Regards, Bob Bolton |
Subject: Tune Add: PORT MAHÓN (Sydney Carter) From: Bob Bolton Date: 04 May 01 - 09:28 AM G'day again, I got all the dots (of the melody line, anyway) into MusicTime and saved a MIDI file. Here is the MIDItext conversion (retrievable using Alan of Oz's TextMIDI program). The tune, as published in Galliard's 1969 book Songs of Sydney Carter, In the present tense, Book 3 is given in 9/8 time, with occasional bars of the chorus in 12/8. I'm not sure I would not just extend the note in question with a fermata, but that is how it is shown. I have just set it to a single MIDI "piano" line, as I find that best for learning the tune. I notice that the recording credits given on the page are: " ... Nadia Cattouse on Parlophone R 5240 ... Julie Felix on Decca LK 4274 ... Patricia Gouldry on Outlet TOL 104." Regards, Bob Bolton
MIDI file: pt-mahon.mid Timebase: 240 TimeSig: 3/4 24 8 This program is worth the effort of learning it. To download the March 10 MIDItext 98 software and get instructions on how to use it click here ABC format: X:1
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Subject: RE: PORT MAHON - RECORDINGS? From: GUEST,Mike Feist Date: 26 Jun 20 - 04:07 PM Port Mahon is available on Brenda Wootton ?– 'Brenda At Buryan' CD (relatively new release |
Subject: ADD: Port Mahon (Sydney Carter) From: Joe Offer Date: 26 Jun 20 - 06:02 PM I found the lyrics hidden in another thread: Thread #8774 Message #790493 Posted By: RolyH 24-Sep-02 - 03:43 PM Thread Name: Nadia Cattouse - whatever happened to? Subject: Lyr Add: PORT MAHON (Sydney Carter) PORT MAHON And I found a very nice recording of the song by Julie Felix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CQgOZZVAHg |
Subject: RE: Lyr ADD: Port Mahon (Sydney Carter) - Recordings? From: Jim McLean Date: 29 Jun 20 - 02:01 PM I'm afraid form and other Scottish/Irish Gaelic speakers, the title always raises a smile. Pòg mo thòin (pronounced hone) means kiss my arse. |
Subject: RE: Lyr ADD: Port Mahon (Sydney Carter) - Recordings? From: Jim McLean Date: 29 Jun 20 - 02:02 PM ..... for me....(sorry typo) |
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