BS: JFK may have saved the world?

Subject: RE: BS: JFK may have saved the world?
From: GUEST,Janet Ryan posting
Date: 30 Dec 03 - 11:37 AM

Ah, so Big Mick now looks up the IPs of everyone posting as a guest to Mudcat, and publishes the information he gleans as a Joe Clone in the forum "for our own good".

It is SO GREAT that Big Brother Mick is watching the terrorists--oops! I mean "guests"! (tee hee). He is struttin' his "in charge of Mudcat security" and looking so manly wearing that new stormtrooper costume he got for Christmas from L'il John Ashcroft.

GOD, I feel SO MUCH SAFER now.

Subject: RE: BS: JFK may have saved the world?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 30 Dec 03 - 11:06 AM

"Saddam, a dictator (sorry, BBC, but that's what he was)"

"BBC"? About the only people who have ever tried to cover up the dictatorial and oppressive nature of Saddam's regime have been foreign governments who found it convenient to support him and to help him get hold of arms and so forth. Including, never let it be forgot, the US and UK governments back in the '80s.

A very nasty regime, but that's nothing new or unusual. Was it a price worth paying to get rid of him? It's arguable, but there are a lot of people who would probably disagree - and I'm thinking primarily of the tens of thousands of Iraqis who had loved ones wiped out in the process.

At the time when Saddam was killing his people the outside world sat back and watched, and even assisted him. There is no evidence that the attack on Iraq did anything significant to save lives in Iraq from Saddam. Plenty of evidence that it killing a whole lot more people.

Subject: RE: BS: JFK may have saved the world?
From: Big Mick
Date: 30 Dec 03 - 11:03 AM

Larry, this GUEST is not Tinker, a registered member from New Jersey. This is a newer visitor to our forum. Welcome.

Subject: RE: BS: JFK may have saved the world?
From: InOBU
Date: 30 Dec 03 - 10:58 AM

Tinker, my dear:
I write from an appartment in downtown New York, still with grey dust in the corners... I marched against the US giving mr. Husain weapons like gas before many on the right could point to Iraq on a map... This is no more about safety for the US than Cuba was about danger of a communist invation of Florida. This whole sillyness is to control the flow of oil away from China. How would I have done things differently? I would encourage a common market of China Japan and India as the industrial center in a partnership with the third world. Now, a down side for the comander in chimp, is that we would no longer get 70 percent of the worlds natural resourses, and so we could not afford to keep the three percent which gave birth to the Bush and Cheney family at the top of the pyramid... but, on the good side, the life expectancy as well as the standard of living for the rest of us would benifit by getting out from under the thumb of the military industrial complex. Fact is, I would rather have the safty of a decent living wage and health care than a big nucular terroist threat pointing at the rest of the world for my tax money.
Cheers
Larry

Subject: RE: BS: JFK may have saved the world?
From: GUEST,Tinker in Chicago
Date: 30 Dec 03 - 10:35 AM

It's wrong always to use force, yes, but it's also naive to think that diplomacy and patience always work. Was Neville Chamberlain wise or stupid when he tried to stop Hitler with earnest conversations instead of weapons?

A non-violent philosophy is a nice thing to have, but it seldom accomplishes much in the real world, which is why we glorify the exceptional leaders who can succeed with it, e.g. Ghandi. But years of sanctions and UN resolutions meant nothing to Saddam, a dictator (sorry, BBC, but that's what he was) who slaughtered thousands of his own people, made war on at least three nearby nations (Iran, Kuwait and Israel), permitted torture and rape as his sons' birthright, etc., etc. Yeah, they haven't found the WMD's, but they found a lot of mass graves. Is that somehow more acceptable?

It's so easy to slam Bush, especially from across an ocean. But what would you have suggested, instead of the war, that could have removed Hussein from power? What exactly would have been a better idea that would have accomplished the same goal in the same time frame?

Ask any parent. Threats of punishment carry no force unless the punishments occasionally occur.

Subject: RE: BS: JFK may have saved the world?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 30 Dec 03 - 10:16 AM

Right on!!! Maybe there's truth to be gleaned from revisionist historical thinking after all. It's simply sad that the major participants are dead and cannot see these futuristic ruminations on their times in the spotlight.

And possibly it never ever mattered that (terror of all terrors) the man liked to have sex with ladies. Same for Bill Clinton

Art Thieme

Subject: RE: BS: JFK may have saved the world?
From: catspaw49
Date: 30 Dec 03 - 09:41 AM

Well Mick, that opens up a whole new can of worms. First you have to teach the fucker to read and then there's the whole comprehension thing................lots of problems here.........

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: JFK may have saved the world?
From: Big Mick
Date: 30 Dec 03 - 08:34 AM

If only Dubya would read Larry's original post...... then he would understand wisdom.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: JFK may have saved the world?
From: InOBU
Date: 30 Dec 03 - 07:39 AM

Kendall!
There is a harmony on earth, as you wrote this, I was writing about guns on planes and used the "NOT!" convention... I seldom use... the harmonics of the universe, eh?
Larry

Subject: RE: BS: JFK may have saved the world?
From: kendall
Date: 30 Dec 03 - 07:29 AM

He doesn't understand consequences. Being the most powerful country in the world makes us "bullet proof". NOT!!

"The smallest dog can piss on the biggest building."

Subject: BS: JFK may have saved the world?
From: InOBU
Date: 30 Dec 03 - 07:22 AM

There are few humans who can say they saved the planet. Well, one day, in the Cuban missile crisis, every advisor in the White House, the entire cabinet and joint chiefs advised Kennedy that he had a two day window to destroy the Cuban missiles, as their "intellegence" had found that the missiles did not have war heads as yet, and that the nucs where going to arrive on a spesific boat at a spesific time. The troops were assembled and the bombers ready to go. JFK said no.

As it turns out, late in the 1990's it came to light that Cuba did indeed have a large number of tactical and longrange armed missiles. The moment our planes started towards them, they would have launched destroying most of our big cities, we would have launched against Russia, who would have launched against us and game over.

Kennedy was one of the most intelligent men of his day. He said the game was not over Cuba, but over Berlin. He said if we went into Cuba, Russia would have international support to go into western Germany. He was likely right, but, the bigger picture was even worse than he could emagine.

It is not always about force.

Today, we have a leader with no subtlty to his thought or his methods. God help us.

Larry