BS: Misogynist Kodak Moments

Subject: RE: BS: Misogynist Kodak Moments
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 10 Jan 04 - 10:13 PM

No NEED for a rocking chair on a boat.

Subject: RE: BS: Misogynist Kodak Moments
From: kendall
Date: 10 Jan 04 - 06:09 AM

No room for a rocking chair on a boat.

Subject: RE: BS: Misogynist Kodak Moments
From: harpgirl
Date: 09 Jan 04 - 02:14 PM

Hey Kendall, have you found that "nurse and a purse" yet?   hehehehe

Subject: RE: BS: Misogynist Kodak Moments
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 09 Jan 04 - 02:12 PM

And one man's idea of even the definition of an area/population can be quite different from another man's. For example.....

All the world knows that a Yankee is somebody from the US.

All of the southern US knows that a Yankee is somebody from north of the Mason-Dixon line.

Everybody north of the Mason-Dixon line knows that a Yankee is somebody from New England.

Everybody in New England knows that a Yankee is somebody from New Hampshire.

Everybody in New Hampshire knows that a Yankee is someone who eats pie for breakfast.

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: BS: Misogynist Kodak Moments
From: Chief Chaos
Date: 09 Jan 04 - 01:10 PM

Where have y'all been? We divide up the U.S. all the time!
Down South anybody from over the Mason Dixon is a Yankee. Talk about Virginia in New York and you hear "Southerners" (usually a minor derogatory comment). California? Well thats a whole diferent planet that accidentally ended up glued to the U.S.

Subject: RE: BS: Misogynist Kodak Moments
From: kendall
Date: 09 Jan 04 - 12:18 PM

Eventually, but by that time, some of them will be too old. hehehe

Subject: RE: BS: Misogynist Kodak Moments
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 09 Jan 04 - 07:16 AM

Kendal, can't you get thru them all?
:-)

I know a geologist who has spent some time in Africa. In some parts, the woman carries all the gear, food etc, and the man carries his spear. This is in country where wild lions still exist. This is country where the manhood ceremony involves the young men going out to kill a lion with a spear and a club. Not all return...

Robin

Subject: RE: BS: Misogynist Kodak Moments
From: PoppaGator
Date: 08 Jan 04 - 11:00 AM

Rapaire:

There are still French-speaking North American communities identified with certain locales in eastern Canada and, to a lesser extent, Louisiana. No such places exist for Swedish or Russian speakers,. etc., so I don't think the analogy holds up.

I kinda like your ideas "Redneck America," etc., but it would be hard to draw strict geographic boundaries. Actually, there's a lot of overlap

Here in South Louisiana, we are "in the South but not of it." The same is true, in a different way, for South Florida.

Subject: RE: BS: Misogynist Kodak Moments
From: Rapparee
Date: 08 Jan 04 - 09:25 AM

True, Kevin, but if you start talking about French America, you have to talk about Swedish America, Russian America, and all the rest of the European or Asia countries who started colonies here.

Besides, are linguistic groups a valid criteria? Do we speak of Redneck America, Southern America, Middle Western America, New Yahk America?

Nah, let's just keep using the shorthand we use. Besides, the Quebecois are Canada's problem....

Subject: RE: BS: Misogynist Kodak Moments
From: kendall
Date: 08 Jan 04 - 06:48 AM

Shucks, Peg and Mick, I'm speechless.

Subject: RE: BS: Misogynist Kodak Moments
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 08 Jan 04 - 06:02 AM

McGrath - are you just trying to find someone to carry your guitar etc around for you at folk festivals ?   Anyway, I'm not sure that the female in the winning picture is much younger than the fellah - just wider - she looks a bit like the "lass" who beat me in the "Yard of Ale" contest at Walton Folk Festival this year - I'm sure that she could carry you, your guitar, and the crate of beer at the same time !

Subject: RE: BS: Misogynist Kodak Moments
From: Peg
Date: 08 Jan 04 - 01:45 AM

Kendall is my anti-hero.
Which is even better.

Subject: RE: BS: Misogynist Kodak Moments
From: Big Mick
Date: 08 Jan 04 - 12:45 AM

Kendall is my hero.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Misogynist Kodak Moments
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 07:35 PM

you need to take applications for an application processor! I might be available.

Subject: RE: BS: Misogynist Kodak Moments
From: kendall
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 07:33 PM

BTW, I am no longer taking applications for centerboard cook. Too many to process at this time.

Subject: RE: BS: Misogynist Kodak Moments
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 05:24 PM

I rather assumed that, Wolfgang.

Subject: RE: BS: Misogynist Kodak Moments
From: Wolfgang
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 05:12 PM

I wasn't serious. If I was in a more serious mood right now, I'd agree here with you, McGrath.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Misogynist Kodak Moments
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 05:04 PM

Not a fair analogy. It's got to be Eastern Europe and Western Europe.

"America" is used colloquially to refer to a single large country situated in North America. But no one would use "America" to refer to North America as such, as opposed to South America; they'd say North America and South America. (Or perhaps they'd say Latin America as against English-speaking America - which must piss off the French in Canada.)

Sometimes people do use "Europe" to refer to the European Union - but that now includes large parts of what is generally refered to as Eastern Europe. (And there are some people in England who use "Europe" to refer to everything the other side of the channel. But that's another matter.)

Subject: RE: BS: Misogynist Kodak Moments
From: Wolfgang
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 04:25 PM

How is it possible to be "European or Eastern European"? (McGrath asks)

Easily. Haven't we learned in many threads here that 'South Americans' are different from 'Americans'? That's how it goes. I only ask myself if for an American who is not South American 'Europe' ends at the Channel? So perhaps we are already 'East Europeans'. I would protest that. Poles, that is o.k. with me, but not us. I don't mind discrimination unless I am on the wrong side of the divide.

Wolfgang (in a silly mood)

Subject: RE: BS: Misogynist Kodak Moments
From: kendall
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 04:02 PM

Harpgirl, if you don't see the difference, I can't help you. I never mentioned a spinniker etc. in jest, I asked for a centerboard cook, no more no less. Any spin you wish to add is your problem.

Subject: RE: BS: Misogynist Kodak Moments
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 02:23 PM

culture clash:(true story)- I knew a woman who had just returned from a visit to a friend in a commune in New Mexico. She had occasion to go into the small town nearby for some shopping, and was asked by the Mexican clerk in a teeny store where she was from. She replied that she was visiting in the little community "up there".

"Oh, si!" he replied, "those heepies! They are weeerd peeeple"

"Oh they seem nice enough to me." she replied.

"Oh, si", he said ,"but they act funny...they even let their weeomen have COLD beer!"

(refrigeration was a luxury there, and you GOTTA keep priorities straight!)

Subject: RE: BS: Misogynist Kodak Moments
From: Jeri
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 02:22 PM

Rapaire, I've looked at some of the other pages at his site, and tend to agree with you.

Subject: RE: BS: Misogynist Kodak Moments
From: Rapparee
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 01:49 PM

Certainly, and so do I. I just got annoyed when I was carrying bulky things AND was expected to do so. Now, more folks of all sorts will open the door for you. And I try to do it for them,too.

Subject: RE: BS: Misogynist Kodak Moments
From: SINSULL
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 12:17 PM

harpy,
I asked the same thing. Believe it or not, they are lining up for interviews with the old salt. Makes it hard for those us who are liberated to get a paying stint or even alimony.
SINS

Subject: RE: BS: Misogynist Kodak Moments
From: Cluin
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 12:07 PM

Well, I still open doors for women.

Also for old people, and kids, and disabled, and people carrying things.

But with women, it's just old-fashioned gentlmanliness, I guess. It's the way I was raised.

Subject: RE: BS: Misogynist Kodak Moments
From: Rapparee
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 11:56 AM

"Man of the Year" could also be an ironic comment.

I went to the site, and then to the site's site (if you follow that). I'd go for the irony.

It used to bother me in college when I'd be carrying something heavy and bulky and was still expected to open doors, etc. for women (no, not all, but a pretty good percentage). I prefer it now, thanks.

Subject: RE: BS: Misogynist Kodak Moments
From: harpgirl
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 11:30 AM

Kendall, didn't I see you advertising for a woman of independent means a few threads back, to do your cooking, hoist your sails, trim your jib (if you know what I mean), and fly your spinnaker? Now why would such a woman willingly work for you for free?

Subject: RE: BS: Misogynist Kodak Moments
From: Jeri
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 10:55 AM

It's all about perceptions. The page might have been created by someone who really believes women should be treated like slaves, or it might be a friendly piss-take in the ongoing War of the Sexes. Someone who's had good relationships might see it one way, someone who's been around male chauvinists and abusers might see it another.

Personally, it used to bother me when I was a mechanic and another woman constantly asked men in the shop to do the heavy stuff for her. She wasn't injured and didn't lack strength, but it wasn't 'seemly' for her to carry an 80-lb battery around, and it might ruin her manicure. The other women all did all of their own work. Sometimes we'd help the guys and sometimes the guys would help us, but it wasn't expected. If anyone had happened to see me lifting an engine out of heater for a guy with a bad back, would they have thought I was being taken advantage of?

Manicure-woman once had someone cut out and stick styrofoam boobs on her toolbox. She raised holy hell and accused a couple of guys of doing this evil deed, until another woman confessed. She, apparently, was fed up with the 'I Am Woman and I Can Only Do Dainty Jobs' attitude. (Of course, the boob-gluer was a silicone-sealant psycho who later glued the boss's coffee cup to his desk, but that's another story.)

Humor about persecution only works if those who see it haven't 'been there' or closely identify with those who have. The images don't bother me, but I can sure understand how the collection of them on this particular page, without commentary, might bother someone else.

Subject: RE: BS: Misogynist Kodak Moments
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 10:33 AM

The thing about the winner wasn't that it was the one with the most muscles who was doing the heavy lifting, but that she was clearly a lot older than the lad. Young people ought to carry things for older people, that's how they get muscles.

Subject: RE: BS: Misogynist Kodak Moments
From: Rapparee
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 10:20 AM

Then there was the Shoshone chief out here who had six wives. Idaho passed a law banning polygamy and the local sheriff went out to tell the chief about it. After explaining it, the chief was told he had to get rid of five wives -- the sheriff suggested that the chief go do tell them right away.

The chief, a very wise man, considered a moment and said to the sheriff, "YOU tell 'em."

Subject: RE: BS: Misogynist Kodak Moments
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 10:16 AM

Borrowed Kendall ? - I consider Linda to be a bit more permanent than that - anyway no-one's asked for her back yet !

It reminds me of a sociologist who had been researching an arab tribe before WW2. He had noted that on journeys, the men went first followed by their wives who carried any luggage on their heads. After the war he observed that the women now went first - still carrying all the luggage though. He decided that perhaps contact with europeans had given the men the idea of "women first". He therefore asked one of the tribesmen about this and was told that the answer was even simpler - landmines !

Subject: RE: BS: Misogynist Kodak Moments
From: kendall
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 09:33 AM

The sad thing is, this happens all the time. And women who think they have no options continue to work like borrowed mules.

Subject: RE: BS: Misogynist Kodak Moments
From: Rapparee
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 08:26 AM

Will I be driving the 4WD car? Nooooooooooooooo...when Pat gets her new car, I'll still be driving the Civic and she'll be spitting on locomotives.

Is it my chainsaw? Nooooooooooooooo...it's HER chainsaw.

Is it my sledge hammer? Nooooooooooooooo...not at least while I have a rotator cuff tear, anyway.

Is it my snow blower?   Noooooooooooooooo...it's HER snowblower.

Is it my .45 revolver? Noooooooooooooooo...it's her .45 revolver.

Is it my trash to take out? Yup. Is it my thing to fix? Yup. Is it my life that'll be in danger if she sees this post? Yup.

Subject: RE: BS: Misogynist Kodak Moments
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 07:02 AM

How is it possible to be "European or Eastern European"?

Though actually the winner made me think about those ads for Fosters lager with the slogan "the man who thinks Australian drinks Australian."

Subject: RE: BS: Misogynist Kodak Moments
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 06:58 AM

We recently had most of a large tree chopped down leaving a very large woodpile - many logs of more than 1 foot diameter - much heavier than the bunch of twigs which the woman is carrying in the first picture. I wouldn't expect Linda to carry them down the garden to the trailer on her back - not after I bought her a new wheelbarrow last year.

Subject: RE: BS: Misogynist Kodak Moments
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 05:42 AM

The winner reminds me of an "Andy Capp" cartoon.
Florrie (his wife) is carrying Andy home, and Andy has a full crate of beer in his arms:
"Quit complaining, woman, I'm carrying the beer!"

Nigel

Subject: RE: BS: Misogynist Kodak Moments
From: mack/misophist
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 12:49 AM

I saw the original of that middle picture on an Irish web page about a year and a half ago. Bee-dubya-ell is right. Or at least he has the same story the original did.

Subject: RE: BS: Misogynist Kodak Moments
From: Mickey191
Date: 06 Jan 04 - 11:34 PM

Well Folks--I do love your thoughts on these snaps. Jeri, your take on the caption is what ticked me off also.

Subject: RE: BS: Misogynist Kodak Moments
From: Jeri
Date: 06 Jan 04 - 11:18 PM

It's hard to say what's going on just from those photos. I'm afraid I agree with Bruce. That third photo - that woman has a bunch of muscles and the guy doesn't. It might be more a sign of common sense that she's carrying the big stuff, or it might be one of those "These are MINE and that stupid 6-pack is yours, so just keep your mits off my beer. I can carry it myself, Mr. Macho!" things.

Now, what's misogynist? The fact that someone would use those photos on a page entitled "Man of the Year awards."

Subject: RE: BS: Misogynist Kodak Moments
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 06 Jan 04 - 10:50 PM

I just know I'll catch hell for this....

Mysoginistic? Depends on your interpretation, doesn't it?

3rd place photo: So she's hauling the sticks while he smokes. Do we know for a fact that they're not taking turns? For that matter, do we even know that the man and the woman are together? They could just be two strangers walking down the same road.

2nd place: Get real. Do you think those people have a car? The tractor and livestock cage are the only mechanized transportation they have. Option 1 = Ride in the cart that looks like a cage. Option 2 = Walk. You choose.

1st place: What's she got to complain about? She's got twenty beers and he's only got six. So who's on the short end of that stick?

Bruce

Subject: RE: BS: Misogynist Kodak Moments
From: Cluin
Date: 06 Jan 04 - 10:25 PM

Well, in the last one, he is holding her hand.


Probably so she won't drop the beer

Subject: RE: BS: Misogynist Kodak Moments
From: Amos
Date: 06 Jan 04 - 10:15 PM

Interesting -- they all seem to be European or Eastern European. Hmm?

A

Subject: BS: Misogynist Kodak Moments
From: Mickey191
Date: 06 Jan 04 - 10:05 PM

Check Here Folks.

       www.pgacon.com/manofyear.htm

As you view these - remember 1 out of every 4 women are abused either verbally or physically through out the world.