BS: Canadians Read This!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: number 6
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 10:52 PM

Michael Moore is a phony! Please keep him out of Canadian Politics.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Peace
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 09:58 PM

I disagree with 'his' number, but not really his gist. I don't see more than 126 seats to the Conservatives. We'll know in fewer than 28 hours.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Azizi
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 09:51 PM

Check out this discussion about Canada's election:

Daily Kos: Conservative Canada? by by aaraujo;Sun Jan 22, 2006

Here's one comment from a poster about this subject:

"Need to remember that the Liberals, Bloc and NDP are all center to left parties. With only 128, the Tories would need to govern from the center to get any legislation passed. Over 140 or so they might be able to move further right by picking off a handful of right-leaning Liberals or Bloquists, but under 130? They'd need to make compromises. If they tried to push too far, the sword of no-confidence would always be hanging over their head. It would be a terrible misreading by the Tories were they to believe there is some mandate in their likely minority government win. The voters are chastising the Grits, but the moment Harper drops the moderate mask, the inroads in Ontario and Quebec would dry up and a strengthened LPC would likely be returned with a majority; or at the very least a working Liberal-NDP government".

by ActivistGuy on Sun Jan 22, 2006

-snip-

So, do you Canadian 'Catters agree with this assessment?

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Peace
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 01:24 PM

Leaf's game? LEAF'S GAME? Why doesn't he want to watch a real hockey team?

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Raptor
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 09:12 AM

Friday, January 20th, 2006

Michael Moore Statement on Canadian Election


Michael Moore is currently in production on his next movie. As an avid lover of all things Canadian, he has issued the following statement regarding Canada's upcoming election on Monday:


Oh, Canada -- you're not really going to elect a Conservative majority on Monday, are you? That's a joke, right? I know you have a great sense of humor, and certainly a well-developed sense of irony, but this is no longer funny. Maybe it's a new form of Canadian irony -- reverse irony! OK, now I get it. First, you have the courage to stand against the war in Iraq -- and then you elect a prime minister who's for it. You declare gay people have equal rights -- and then you elect a man who says they don't. You give your native peoples their own autonomy and their own territory -- and then you vote for a man who wants to cut aid to these poorest of your citizens. Wow, that is intense! Only Canadians could pull off a hat trick of humor like that. My hat's off to you.


Far be it from me, as an American, to suggest what you should do. You already have too many Americans telling you what to do. Well, actually, you've got just one American who keeps telling you to roll over and fetch and sit. I hope you don't feel this appeal of mine is too intrusive but I just couldn't sit by, as your friend, and say nothing. Yes, I agree, the Liberals have some 'splainin' to do. And yes, one party in power for more than a decade gets a little... long. But you have a parliamentary system (I'll bet you didn't know that -- see, that's why you need Americans telling you things!). There are ways at the polls to have your voices heard other than throwing the baby out with the bath water.


These are no ordinary times, and as you go to the polls on Monday, you do so while a man running the nation to the south of you is hoping you can lend him a hand by picking Stephen Harper because he's a man who shares his world view. Do you want to help George Bush by turning Canada into his latest conquest? Is that how you want millions of us down here to see you from now on? The next notch in the cowboy belt? C'mon, where's your Canadian pride? I mean, if you're going to reduce Canada to a cheap download of Bush & Co., then at least don't surrender so easily. Can't you wait until he threatens to bomb Regina? Make him work for it, for Pete's sake.


But seriously, I know you're not going to elect a guy who should really be running for governor of Utah. Whew! I knew it! You almost had me there. Very funny. Don't do that again. God, I love you, you crazy cold wonderful neighbors to my north. Don't ever change.


Michael Moore


(Mr. Moore is not available for interviews because he now needs to address the situation in Azerbaijan. But he could be talked into it for a couple of tickets to a Leaf's game.)

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Peace
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 09:39 PM

Spoken like a guy who caught a bad dose of clap from BB le Street in a certain district of Montreal. On behalf of Canadians everywhere, sincere condolences.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 09:07 PM

I hope the Liberals win because they will continue to steal your money, break every election promise they ever made,and show you up for the wimpy bastards you are....

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 06:25 PM

I hope you're right.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 06:24 PM

Minority governments can easily occur when one has more than 2 political parties of a significant size, Azizi. The party that wins the most seats (a plurality) may still fall considerably short of a majority. As such, it must then bargain some with various of the other parties who have won seats in the government if it wants to get legislation passed. This can actually be quite a good thing, as it encourages compromise and joining of minds to some extent.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Peace
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 06:05 PM

There are 308 seats in the House of Commons. A majority requires 50% plus one seat. Ergo, 154 plus 1 = 155 seats. No way they will get that many. They will be about 30 short of the magic number.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Azizi
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 06:01 PM

"They will form a minority government". I'm not sure what that means.

???

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Peace
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 05:52 PM

They won't. They will form a minority government.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Azizi
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 05:28 PM

Off topic:

I see folks have been having fun with the name of my adopted city. Only people who live here are allowed to do that. We can say that Pittsburgh [silent "h"] is the pitts. No one else.

While I confess that I'm not in to sports, I did wear black and gold to work on Friday. Most people here love us some Steelers. Win lose or draw.

That said, I'll go back to lurking and reading the comments about the Canadian political system and the upcoming election. From what I've read so far, I hope the Conservatives lose.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 04:53 PM

Speaking of eyes - I noticed Harper's snaky eyes and fake smile but I also notice Martin's dead eyes and phony smile too. Layton, at least, has a genuine smile and light in his eyes.

Funny, how we judge them by how they look. Its just that their look actually mirrors their objectives.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: gnu
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 03:59 PM

Less than eight hours to the end of the bullshit... until Tuesday.

In the spirit of the law regarding election campaigning, that is, no more talk after midnight tonight, just a couple of more observations.

Stevie said that after he is elected and his government works their magic, you won't recognize Canada as you know it. No comment. I think Stevie said it all... he intends to finish what Mulroney started.

As for Paul and his bunch, I can't believe they spent my money on gun control and buying Quebec and... and... and.

Jack? Well, Jack said jack in the debates except "trust me".

I trust me mother. She's always looked out for me. Them bunch in Uppity Canada... not so much.

My gut feeling? I am thinking Carolina and Pittsburgh. But, on any given day...

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: number 6
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 03:38 PM

Check Harper's eyes .... they're reptilian !

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: bobad
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 02:35 PM

Tories trying to keep true colours hidden :

Tories try to muzzle admiring right-wing U.S. pundits
E-mail warns that pro-Harper comments puts majority at risk
      
Sheldon Alberts, The Ottawa Citizen
Published: Saturday, January 21, 2006

WASHINGTON - In the dying days of the Canadian federal election campaign, American conservatives are being asked to keep their affection for Stephen Harper quiet out of fear that any expression of U.S. support could harm his chances of forming a majority government.

In an e-mail circulated by the head of a right-wing think-tank, U.S. conservatives were warned to refuse interviews with Canadian media until after Monday's vote.

The missive from Paul Weyrich, chairman of the Washington-based Free Congress Foundation, came at the request of Gerald Chipeur, a Calgary lawyer and conservative political activist in Alberta.

According to Mr. Weyrich, Mr. Chipeur telephoned him this week with news that Mr. Harper's Conservatives are "within striking distance of electing an outright majority," but that the party could lose that opportunity if it appeared that it was too closely aligned with the U.S. political right.

"He said the Canadian media, which is trying to save the current Liberal government, has a strategy of calling conservatives in the U.S.A. in the hopes that someone will inadvertently say something that can be hung around the Conservatives," Mr. Weyrich said in the e-mail, which was sent Thursday to Washington-area conservatives and posted yesterday on several political blogs.

"Canadian voters have been led to believe that American conservatives are scary and if the Conservative party can be linked with us, they perhaps can diminish a Conservative victory," continued Mr. Weyrich, considered one of the most influential neoconservative activists in Washington.

"Chipeur asks that if Canadian media calls, please do not be interviewed until Monday evening at which point hopefully there will be reason to celebrate."

Neither Mr. Chipeur nor Mr. Weyrich returned calls placed to their offices yesterday. An assistant to Mr. Weyrich confirmed the gag order among staffers at the Free Congress Foundation.

The memo underscores the depth of anxiety among conservatives, on both sides of the border, over how Canadian voters will react to perceptions Mr. Harper shares an ideological kinship with President George W. Bush and the Republican Party.

In December, Mr. Harper wrote the conservative Washington Times to distance himself from an op-ed article that predicted he would cosy up to the U.S. president.

The author of the Times piece, former Cato Institute fellow Patrick Basham, described Mr. Harper as "pro-free trade, pro-Iraq war, anti-Kyoto, and socially conservative."

Mr. Basham's newspaper prediction that Mr. Harper would "quickly become Mr. Bush's new best friend internationally and the poster boy for his ideal foreign leader" became central elements of a Liberal attack ad against the Conservatives.

Mr. Harper said the article "greatly" oversimplified his views.

In an interview yesterday, Mr. Basham said he has since received dozens of e-mails from Canadian conservatives urging him to stop writing nice things about Mr. Harper.

"I had to stop printing them off because there was a pile on the floor," he said.

"The conservative Canadian reaction has been overwhelmingly negative," said Mr. Basham, a Canadian citizen who has worked in the U.S. capital for five years.

"Conservative Canadians accused me of costing Harper the election, doing the Liberals' dirty work for them."
The Ottawa Citizen 2006

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Peace
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 02:34 PM

Harper is a maniac.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Raptor
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 01:46 PM

The Liberal Government has been in power for many years and the countrys never been better. We have a surplus Not a deficit. And our Dollars strong. We have resisted siding with the Oil driven Bushites. And have a respected armed Forces For Peace Keeping.

That will all end with the election of Steven Harper.

He wants to be just like the USA.

He wants to take away the woman's right tho choose.

He wants to fuck up the healthcare.

He wants to make the rich richer and the poor poorer.

The list of bad decisions is endless.

And we'll need to go back to a deficit for him to do it.

He wants to ruin Canada as we know it.

Doug you obviously have been reading Bullshit Or should I say Bushshit.

Raptor

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Peace
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 01:40 PM

Doug: We have been screwed by both parties. One of the most corrupt governments we ever had was under Mulroney. It was a Conservative government. We just got a good screwing by the Liberals. Neither receive much respect here.

Four parties will receive all the seats in the House of Commons. None of them will have a majority. I think in a way that it puts us one step up on the US in that regard.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: gnu
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 01:35 PM

Hehehehehehe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: DougR
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 01:00 PM

I don't profess to know a lot about Canadian politics but from what I have read, and been listening to, it seems that Canadians are waking up to the fact that a Liberal party in control will bring ruination to a country.

Right on, Conservatives, boot those buggers out of office!

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: gnu
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 05:56 AM

No... it's Phittsburgh. Shanahan is going to have a Phitt when the Steelers arrive on The Bus.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Peace
Date: 20 Jan 06 - 11:07 PM

Reminds me of a joke about the guy who asks for two Pickets to Tittsburgh.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Peace
Date: 20 Jan 06 - 11:06 PM

That would make it Hittsburgh.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Jan 06 - 11:06 PM

Is the "h" silent, Azizi, or does one give a slight guttural to the "urgh" ending? ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Azizi
Date: 20 Jan 06 - 11:03 PM

Raptor, not that it matters in this thread but since you mentioned it..

Here we go Steelers!
Here we go!

And btw, Pittsburgh [PA] is spelled with a "h".

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Jan 06 - 10:58 PM

Yes, well, I hope you realize that you have alienated the crucial chimpanzee vote.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Raptor
Date: 20 Jan 06 - 10:54 PM

Results I'd like to see come Monday:
Seattle 37
Carolina 17
Denver 23
Pittsburg 7

And another Liberal Government.

Raptor

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Peace
Date: 20 Jan 06 - 08:40 PM

It's gonna come out like this:

Conservatives 126
Liberals 100
Bloc Quebecois 53
New Democrat 29

However, I have been wrong before.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Peace
Date: 20 Jan 06 - 06:59 PM

Come Monday night, we'll have new bullshit. Makes one proud to be Canadian.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: gnu
Date: 20 Jan 06 - 02:46 PM

Just one more day of the bullshit!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Peace
Date: 20 Jan 06 - 02:11 PM

On second thought, I'll buy him a few, too.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Peace
Date: 20 Jan 06 - 02:07 PM

Don't give the f#cker anymore beer. He's had enough.


"100 FLIPPIN' POSTS! Awright! I win. What do I get, eh?

- BDiBR"

That was only post 99. Here he is pissed all hours of the day and night, can't read his posts properly and you're givin' him BEER. This arsehole may be casting the deciding vote in Monday's election and you're gonna give him BEER? Keeeeriste.

We're gonna end up with the Marijuana Party if it's up to Shane.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: gnu
Date: 20 Jan 06 - 02:03 PM

You get one beer. But you had better get here quick.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: GUEST,Blind DRunk in Blind River
Date: 20 Jan 06 - 01:06 PM

100 FLIPPIN' POSTS! Awright! I win. What do I get, eh?

- BDiBR

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Metchosin
Date: 20 Jan 06 - 12:22 AM

.....we don't seem to make 'em like that anymore....sad really.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: number 6
Date: 20 Jan 06 - 12:11 AM

I was hooked onto the NDP when I came of age to vote ... being influenced by my mother who was a proud card carrying member of the party, she was also a great admirer of Tommy Douglas ... and who wouldn't, he was a great Canadian, let alone a great socialist (in the true meaning).

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 11:55 PM

I wonder about that too. Seems to me that when I was in my 20's I mostly voted NDP, but I sure did not grasp the economic issues. I just liked the NDP because they weren't one of the Big Two that ran everything.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: number 6
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 11:39 PM

Actually GUEST .... I don't think many of the 'youngster's' understand let alone appreciate what it means by Canada being a soverign nation, and as regards to rhetoric based on a false economy, they don't even know what an economy is.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 11:27 PM

I'm hearing the young people (30ish) telling the younger people (20ish) to get out and vote because if you don't, you can't complain later when all of a sudden it matters.

A good message and I'm really wondering if the youngsters will determine who wins this election.

Its hard to say. I hope they are smart enough to appreciate Canada as a sovereign nation and that they don't fall prey to rhetoric based on a false economy. I think they are actually very concerned about the environment. That means they will probably vote NDP or Green. I hope so.

If so, we will have a minority government. I hope its a minority Liberal government rather than a minority Conservative government. We will soon know.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Raptor
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 10:26 PM

Dave Heres the logic The most votes win. If the conservatives get the most votes they win. And we lose. It's very simple math but if that is too much to get let us know and we'll try to explain it better.
CANADIAN LOGIC.

Raptor

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 10:26 PM

The political $ySStem is based on moronic behaviour and encourages it at every turn.

We live in a political $ySStem that is ridiculous, insane, and totally fucked, period...although...it COULD be a whole lot worse!

(so we should thank our lucky stars)

Look at it this way. Someday someone else besides the Liberals is bound to win. It will almost surely have to be the Conservatives, right? Who else would it be? We will live through it. If they screw up badly, then they will get pulverized in the next election, as Dave pointed out, and then we will be back to electing Liberals for a lengthy stretch.

Ho Hum.

The sky is not falling yet, Raptor. Face it...someday the Conservatives will win, and Canada will not go up in a puff of smoke and vanish when they do. I can't stand them either, but I'm a realist. They and the Liberals are both a major disappointment, but no one else is going to get elected on a national basis. That's life in Canada.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Raptor
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 10:13 PM

I just love the CONservative Attack ad, attacking the liberal's attack ad's. What a bunch of morons!

Raptor

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Raptor
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 07:34 PM

My cookies were messing with me and the last post.


I'm Hopeing that if they get in it will be minority. So they can't mess with us too much.

Raptor

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Metchosin
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 06:09 PM

gnu, I think the more likely scenario, if there is a minority Tory government is that the Liberals will support Harper on a lot of stuff, particularly in lowering corporate tax rates, which the NDP managed to block during the last go around. Might be good for the boys of Bay St., but it doesn't bode well for the average Canadian at all. The Torys won't get much support from the Bloc if they try to dick with any social programmes that negatively affect Quebec.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: gnu
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 01:58 PM

Peace asked about "....a Harper-led minority government." Harper would negotiate with the Bloc and put the blocks to Canada. That's the real fear.

Peace. You are close enough to his riding. Assuming the liberals haven't forced you to give up your iron, do ya think you could get a good, clean shot?

Whoa... just a joke, eh. Say... there are 'Cats in La Belle Province... hmmm. Maybe Gilles Goosesteppe.... jus pour rire, eh.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Raptor
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 01:28 PM

Dave the true logic is if we don't stop Harper we're all fucked.

Raptor

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: number 6
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 12:26 PM

fate can only say for sure.

Whatever minority (liberal vs. Tory)we're in for a difficult ride ... it's a reflection of the times we live in. Society will have to work it out, not politics.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Peace
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 11:25 AM

Raptor,

I am thinking we'll end up with a Harper-led minority government.

Assuming that occurs, what do you figure?

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Raptor
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 11:05 AM

Dave the true logic is if we don't stop Harper we're all fucked.

Raptor

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Peace
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 10:08 AM

I feel better now. Thank you, Tw.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Tannywheeler
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 09:28 AM

O.K., Peace, save your beads and--

You take Manhattan, the Bronx, and Staten Island, too.
It's lovely strolling through the zoo.
It's mighty fancy on old DeLancey street, you know;
Sweet pushcarts rolling to and fro.
The great big city's a wondrous toy
Just made for a girl and boy.
You'll turn Manhattan into an isle of joy....

from me to thee with love.                         Tw

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: gnu
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 09:24 AM

LH... okay. Sorry about my misunderstanding.

Do I trust me? I do now, most, well, some of the time. I am, however, worried about the mob. Half of them can't skate and a great number of the rest of them have their sticks up their arses.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 09:17 AM

It "failed" because a military genius, Philip of Macedonia, conquered all of Greece, including Athens, and established a military dictatorship. Such is life. Everything has a beginning, a middle, and an end. Philip's son was Alexander, an even greater military genius. He came to an end at age 33, lasting a far shorter time than Athenian democracy.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: number 6
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 09:08 AM

LH ... why did that process eventually fail in Athens?

maybe too much debating and not enough action?

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 08:31 AM

Gnu - It didn't work well in the USSR because the USSR was dominated by a friggin' POLITICAL PARTY!!!!!   The one thing worse than either 2 or several poltical parties is just ONE damn political party controlling everything...the Nazis in Germany (after 1933) and the Fascists in Italy being other examples of that nasty procedure in action.

Remember: a political party is an organization, and like all organizations it exists mainly to enlarge and sustain itself...at the cost of what?

No, what I am recommending is a bit more like what they had in ancient Greece in the city of Athens...an assembly of equals who are tied to NO organization, debating issues and deciding them by vote. Like Athens, only...no slaves, and the women get to vote too. (just thought I'd better mention that before some smart guy jumped on it...people love to chew on the details)

You ARE part of the "mob", Gnu. Remember that also. ;-) Don't you trust yourself?

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: number 6
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 08:22 AM

Excellent post gnu, excellent .... you are a good man!

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: gnu
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 06:28 AM

Peace. I often go to bed early, or I certainly would have answered you. Like I always say... early to bed and early to rise makes a man wonder who won the game. The answer is... YES.

sIx. The fifth bead is love. Earth, wind, fire, rain, love. Remember when Bruce Willis kisses the orange-red haired girl and unleashes the power of good just in time to save the universe from being ruled by evil forever? Brucie... you should know that, being an honourary Cat'lic an all.

Dave. An elected Senate? No way. Keep it or abolish it are the only reasonable alternatives. As for the open votes, not worth a tinker's damn. It's a cowardly way out of commitment to doing what is right. Mob rule does not work, even among MsP.

Little Hawk. Hahahaha, cheeky bugger!!! Seems to me that your proposed political system didn't work all that well in the good old USSR. Again, mob rule sucks.

Good thing the election isn't today, with all the power outages around from the wind and ice storms in this end of the country.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: bobad
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 11:42 PM

For the latest predictions http://www.electionprediction.org/2005_fed/index.html

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 10:59 PM

Considering that even Harper recognises that the Liberals dominate the Senate and Supreme Court, there are checks and balances in our system to combat any abuse. Even the Governor General is a Liberal appointee. The fact that he is in favour of an elected Senate, and open to more free votes in the house, how can anone accuse the Conservatives of being so dangerous? We need a change and it appears Canadians realise the Conservatives are willing to effect them. If Harper becomes abusive what will happen to him? Total annihilation of his party at the next election.

Nuff said...

Yours, Aye. Dave

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: number 6
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 09:52 PM

Me number 6 again up there at 9:49.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 09:49 PM

I was just corrected by my wife ... it's not the 5th bead clockwise on the rosary ... in fact it's not the rosary at all, it has to with the Buddhist Prayer Beads, it's the 5th bead counter clockwise.

sorry for the all misunderstanding.

My apologies Peace.


What the hell was this 5th bead to mean after all??

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Peter T.
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 09:46 PM

I personally have no objection to a Tory minority government -- I mean apart from the fact that I would never vote for such a horrible thing -- it would be a chance for them to learn a few things, moderate themselves, or if not, the Canadian people could vote them out in 12 months and we could start again. What I fear is a Tory majority, which would be a catastrophe -- 5 years of these people with no brakes on them, and it is Bush North.

Strategic voting is an inexact science, to say the least.

yours,

Peter T.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 08:52 PM

If you need something to do, Bruce, you could argue with Shambles for me...

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 08:45 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 08:39 PM

Really.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 08:39 PM

It's OK, really. I'm going home now. I could die in my sleep and spend eternity wondering whether or not I coulda bought Manhattan, buy it's OK, Really.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 08:36 PM

OK. None of you wankers are gonna answer me. I get it. It's OK. Doesn't bother me a bit. Like f#ck the Anglican guy, right? OK. I understand. No need to explain. It's alright, really. I'll just sit here and type out stuff, read with enthusiasm the things about Shatner and Nova Scotia, but let some Alberta guy ask ONE FRIGGIN' QUESTION about beads and Manhattan and does he get a response? Does he? Nooooooooooooooooo!!! Well, I am hur--hey, who's ahead in hockey now?

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 07:52 PM

That's true, Guest.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 07:51 PM

OK. This bead thing has me really confused. If I save enough of them, could I buy Manhattan?

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: number 6
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 07:50 PM

BTW ... that was me number 6 up there at 7:44 PM.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 07:44 PM

gnu ... I just checked with my wife ... she said it's the fifth bead clockwise .... or did she say the fifth bead counter clockwise??

I'll go and check with her again and get back to ya.

LH ... it was also a time of no seat belts, asbestos insulation, lead based paint, lead based regular gas, (not only where the toy soldiers lead), the woman's place was in the home, everyone smoked, and they smoke just about everywhere, lethal chemicals were dumped anywhere, subtle segregation (yup, also here in Canada too, ever here of Africaville in Nova Scotia, Japanese out in B.C.), rampant poverty in the north, and in the maritimes, our government's mistreatment of it's First Nations back then. All in all things have gotten somewhat better since Mr. Average Canadian voter ... today, unfortuantely we have an 'each person for themselves' evolving attitude.


sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: gnu
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 07:43 PM

Which is the only restaurant left in town making any coin. And, the poor Canucks working for them are happy to earn a dollar. Learn to skate... hard.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 07:20 PM

Raptor is not the average Canadian voter. You know why? The average Canadian voter is dead. That's right. The average Canadian voter was John Lawrence McCann of Scarborough, Ontario. In his life John voted for the Liberals 15 times, the Progressive Conservatives 6 times, and the New Democrats (or CCF) 3 times. He drank Molson's and rooted for the Leafs half the time and the Canadiens the other half of the time. He went snowshoeing. He owned cars made by Ford, Chrysler, and GM. He married young and had 2 and a half kids. The world he knew is gone, man, gone forever. It was a world of mounties, royal family, lead soldiers, hockey without helmets, and wooden sleds. It was a world where a kid saved up to get a BB gun, not a Playstation. Gum cost a penny or less. You put baseball cards on your bicycle wheels and made catapults out of wooden clothespegs. You had metal animal toys that ran on the floor and shot sparks out of their mouth.

Those were the days when the Conservatives actually were Conservative. Now they are anything but.

Now here's my suggestion: Raptor, you rent a fishing hut. You and Dave the ancient mariner hole up in it for a week or so and fish and talk politics. If you're both still alive after that, we all go out and celebrate at the Chinese buffet.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 06:53 PM

Great Canadian logic raptor..... If you represent the majority of Canadian voters we are truly fucked.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Raptor
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 06:37 PM

Little Hawk we are stuck with the way things are so if you care about Canada and don't want to become more like the US vote against Harper.

If the sensible vote is divided Harper wins so we have to vote Liberal to stop him.

Guest!!!!!!! I care about my country, not what some chickenshit moron(who is afraid to post under a real name) thinks, So take a long hard suck on my ass.

Raptor

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: gnu
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 05:24 PM

The FIFTH BEAD!! Lord sufferin dyin moly Joeseph BYE!!! Oh.. ah... which way ya prayin? Clockwise or left, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: number 6
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 03:59 PM

Lord Thunderin Jeeezuz gnu why didn't ya let me know sooner ... don't Catholics vote based on what the 5th bead down off the loop of the rosary is ... I'll have to ask my wife on that one, she is really up to date on Cat'lic con science.

Hey haqng on here ... now I'm getting dragged into a religious issue here!!!

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: gnu
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 02:19 PM

sIx!!! Don't leave. We need to lighten the thing up.

Why, just yesterday, cousin Jimbob sent me an e which was a circular he recieved from a sect of which he is a devout member. It was a Cat'lic Catechism on how to vote. Being a dyed-in-the-wool remote Cat'lic, I read it thoroughly. It talked about abortion and such and how ya should vote based on yer Cat'lic conscience.... con science?

There. That oughta lighten up the discussion.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: number 6
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 01:59 PM

Well ... OT or not I'm stepping out of this game .... toooo much politiks.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: gnu
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 01:55 PM

sIx... I assume this is going into OT.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: number 6
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 01:51 PM

great analogy gnu ... bravo! The bell has rung. :)

no more debating required.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: gnu
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 01:37 PM

Greg F. said, "This is what comes of not teaching Rousseau in schools any longer." Which = "If ya can't skate and ya can't stick handle, ya ain't got a team."

Yup... Bobby Rousseau, numero 15, Montréal Canadiens, was one hell of a hockey guy, that guy. He was able to contribute to the team because he learned the fundamentals.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 01:15 PM

It's not that I'm precisely blaming the big corporations for everything...

I'm just saying that the party sytem cannot truly represent the general public, given that their primary funding does not come from the general public, it comes from the big business community. Thus, legislation will be crafted in order to meet the needs and desires of the big business community.

The big business community seeks maximum profit. (naturally) Maximum profits are not likely in accord with maximum benefit to the general society. For instance, if there is cheaper labour in China, guess where your jobs are going to go?

The parties are necessarily forced to say one thing (in order to get elected) and do another much of the time. This makes them hypocrites and turns the public into embittered cynics.

None of that is conducive to good government.

Neither is it conducive to a healthy society to divide people up into competing partisan teams and set them against each other. You see the fallout from it constantly on this very forum. It's divisive and destructive.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: number 6
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 12:18 PM

When we have a society whose majority are living above the poverty line but are residing in 'gated' suburban communities and who hide themselves away from the misery and plight of the minority living below the poverty line social issues become nonexistance ... and yes, the democratric government voted in by this majority will shove aside social programs to ensure the majority can continue living as such at the cheapest way possible.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Metchosin
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 12:08 PM

there's a lot of Canadians enamoured of the American Way, they view them as the winners, eh.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: number 6
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 12:07 PM

"This is what comes of not teaching Rousseau in schools any longer."

excellent point Greg F. !!

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 12:04 PM

Jeez Bruce, sounds just like upstate New York- except that there on top of the Federal gov't cuts in services, arsehole Republican (surprise!) Gov. George Pataki [what the hell IS it with that name George?? ] has enacted STATE cuts every year during his tenure, most recently in medical care for the poor.

Poor folks? Fu$k 'em. Cripples? Fu$k 'em. Education? Fu$k it.

This is what comes of not teaching Rousseau in schools any longer.
Age of Enlightenment? Fu$k it.

We have raised up a generation of morons. As you say, shit voters begets shit government.

And the rich get richer. The American Way.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: number 6
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 12:03 PM

I'm not offended ... as I know I am one who has concerns about the frailty in our society when it comes to social issues ... I do vote, and I do particpate immensly at the community level battling city hall in providing adequate housing and rights to the poor, I do only what I can do ... but I also see somewhat clearly why we get what we vote in ... and that is due to the apathetic majority ... and that I feel is reality.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 12:01 PM

"are there no penalty boxes?"

Some of the b###ards deserve game misconducts.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Metchosin
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 11:56 AM

are there no penalty boxes?

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 11:53 AM

"75% of the single moms in this province default on their child-support/spouse-support payments"

Sorry. It should read

"75% of the single moms in this province HAVE EXES WHO default on their child-support/spouse-support payments"

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 11:50 AM

"Dear Peace and six......grow up."

Guest, I have voted in every election I was allowed to for forty years now. What your grow up statement says to me is that possibly you think things are fine. They are not from my view. I live in Alberta, arguably the richest province in Canada. No provincial debt. Money comin' out the yinyang. And over 20% of the children in this province live below the poverty level. That is one in five kids. About 75% of the single moms in this province default on their child-support/spouse-support payments. When education dollars were cut, the first programs that took the hit were programs for special needs kids. When social services took a cut, the poorest of the poor took the hit. When this government needed money it also took from health care--and now they are trying really hard to get many clinics to privatize--and clinics that then become for-profit places begin to separte the rich and poor even further. Perhaps you have no concern for those who need help. (Maybe you do, and we just perceive very different ways to accomplish that.) However, you remark to me (and six, although I don't know if it offened him--so, I'll speak only for myself--is the cheap kind of shit that gets said by people I tend not to like. I expect you are a regular who lacks the intestinal fortutitude to post as who you are. That then says lots more about you than it does about me. Have a nice day.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Metchosin
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 11:35 AM

So what your sayin Little Hawk is even some of the skilled kids are so caught up in the game, they forget just who own's the league, eh.......

Can't see that comin about LH, too many favour their home team......and only suppport another when theirs isn't in the running for the Cup.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: number 6
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 11:34 AM

And it aint gonna happen LH.

Blaming it all on big rich corporations is rather weak ... society has some responsibility there ... we are a society of consumers, buyers and we will sacrifice all to feed our own greed, which in turn ignites the the big greedy coporations to demand more of their own greed ... we are all the victims and responsible for our own demise due to greed.

Actually I think we should go back to having kings and queens who possess absolute power .., If we happen to live under the reign of a good king and live in Camelot all the better, if we happen to live under a reign of a despot, well, tuff luck. Hmmmm, sorta like these days under a democratic government isn't it.


sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 11:23 AM

No, it's not that exactly. The problem is that artificial entities called "political parties" control the $ySStem. They are beholden to their primary funding sources. Their primary funding sources are major corporations, banks, and other large financial entities of that sort, plus a consortium of very rich people who have traditionally owned and controlled those entities.

You can figure it out from there.

Political parties cannot be depended upon to represent the general public (although they always pretend to). They also divide the general public against one another by creating great hostility against the party or parties you don't support. These party line divisions cause a lot of long term stress and hatred in a society, to no useful purpose whatsoever.

The only way you could possibly clean up this mess would be:

1. abolish all political parties forever.
2. select candidates in some other manner than party conventions (Perhaps by local nominations? Perhaps by lot among those qualified and willing to serve?)
3. fund ALL candidates' campaigns equally from a public fund, so as to remove lobbyists from controlling politicians and influencing policy.
4. the government then formed would have to work as a cooperative group, forming committees, discussing and debating legislation and policy, and voting on it. 2/3 majority would be required to ratify legislation. You would not have competing blocs jockeying against each other in the government, you would have an assembly of independent individuals who would have to work things out as they went. This would be far more like real democracy than the party-controlled system we have now.

Guess what. It ain't gonna happen. ;-) Why would the rich and powerful of this land give away their control to the ordinary public when they don't have to?

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: number 6
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 11:16 AM

To put it simply ... we get what we voted in.

I am speaking of democratic nations specifically. And that's the way it should be .... not saying I like what I see voted in, but the majority obviously wanted it that way. So ... yes, the majority gets what it deserves. If society has a shitty way of looking at life ... it's wants are the cheapest goods to be bought, they ignore the environment for want of things, they ignore the plight of the humanist side of life for the want of things, well, they get what they deserve.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: gnu
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 11:10 AM

Dera GUEST... Ya go with the best team ya got. It's all in the fundamentals. The kids these days ain't bein taught the fundamentals. If ya can't skate and ya can't stick handle, ya ain't got a team. Ya know, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 10:59 AM

what does that political cliche mean ? Is it universally true, as in Iraq , Afghanistan, Somalia, . Do you mean that Bad People ger Bad Governments..so we all get what we deserve ? Clarify Please.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: number 6
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 10:56 AM

Dear Guest ... face reality.

Our elected representatives in government reflect the society that has voted them in.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 10:49 AM

Dear Peace and six......grow up.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: number 6
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 10:24 AM

The same as everywhere ... shit politicians voted in by shitty peeple, lobbyed by shit corporations.

We are all shtoopid I'm afraid.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 10:17 AM

"How come y'all's political rheto--er--discourse sounds so much like ours???"

It sounds the same because it IS the same. Canadians are as stupid as Americans. We vote for shit, elect shit, and then wonder why the Country seems to be upto its neck in shit. Doh!

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 09:40 AM

What will happen to CBC, Medicare, pensions, the poor, seasonal workers, Atlantic Canada, ACOA, Kyoto and the enviorment if Harper Gets elected. Where is his 22 billion in overspending going to come from. All of of the above, I think.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Tannywheeler
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 07:48 AM

Ah, the great land of Robert Service. Play nice, children. How come y'all's political rheto--er--discourse sounds so much like ours???      Tw

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 07:26 AM

why is it that our ancient mariner thinks we are not able to see for ourselves what Mr. Harper stands for. To suggest that we are all dupes of the media, the cbc and the Liberals is very insulting to those of us who have made a point of becoming informed on the issues.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: gnu
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 06:37 AM

bobad... I read up on the clinic. Nothing wrong with Jack going there. Nothing at all.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Peace
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 08:58 PM

I trust neither Conservatives nor Liberals. Every shit government we've had federally was led by one or the other. I am with GUEST on this. My vote went to neither of the bastards. I expect a Conservative minority government come Monday. Yippee.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 08:54 PM

Harper, Bush and Campbell (B.C.) are all cut from the same cloth.

Harper is not conservative. He is a radical, Christian fundamentalist and a racist to boot. He cares nothing about Canadians. He will make millions by kissing the butt of Bush and selling our resources to the U.S.

From the link above:"Stephen Harper is the northern version of George Bush, a fiscal and social conservative who would be at home with the coalition of American religious right wing evangelicals and foreign policy hacks who brought George Bush to power and who still hold sway in the United States today." - Maude Barlow, Council of Canadians

The NDP has a very good chance in my riding. I'm sure they will get in so I will probably vote Green. My daughter says it is the only way to turn the tide away from a two party, Federal system. I think alot of young people feel that way.

What scares me is that there are plenty of people like Dave who think that Stephen Harper is actually conservative. Do you really want a radical, right-wing government? Do you really think that Harper represents you?

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Peace
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 07:09 PM

Then your face is tooooo close.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: GUEST,Bucky Beaver
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 07:09 PM

The end...is near...

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 06:49 PM

What about the Bob Ray years? NDP and Liberals scare me more than Harper. What about the two billion spent on a useless gun registry? if they had put that into social programs especially in Toronto youth programs we would be better off. Get real, if Harper is too bad we will vote him and his party out too! You guys need to get your information from better sources than Liberal CBC and stupid media
propaganda

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: number 6
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 05:51 PM

I f*$kin scared in just what the results will be .... and that is having a Bush-toady.

The Mulroney years are too fresh in my memory as are the Mike Harris years in Ontario.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: GUEST,Boab
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 05:27 PM

I hope and pray that Canada is not about to elect another Bush-toady like Tony Blair. The relatively small demand for body armour/bags for Canada's military under the Liberals is more than enough. I shudder to think what could be ahead if Harper and his crew are in charge when G.W. calls for his next "coalition of the willing"......

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: GUEST,!!!!!!!
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 05:26 PM

AUGHHH! You scare me, Raptor! You and your frikkin' exclamation points! You will be one of the first who is culled from the population after Mr Harper takes over!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Raptor
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 04:43 PM

The truth is a great Scare tactic!

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Raptor
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 04:38 PM

If you are not Scared by the Bush-like Steven Harper you aren't very aware of what's going on!

Raptor

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: bobad
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 04:01 PM

OHIP is medicare. What I'm saying is that anyone can be treated at the Shouldice Clinic and it is covered by medicare.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: gnu
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 03:36 PM

Oh. So, OHIP is... IS Medicare? Am I correct in saying that you are saying that Jack (or his wife) makes NO payments to OHIP for any type of coverage?

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: bobad
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 03:27 PM

The private clinic that Jack used, the Shouldice Clinic, is private in so far as it is not administered as part of the Ontario hospital network, but it bills OHIP (Ontario Hospital Insurance Plan) for it's procedures, not the patients, just as any physician in private practice does. It is unique in that it specializes in one particular procedure, hernia repair, and has a world-wide reputation.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: gnu
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 03:11 PM

Re the cutting of transfer payments... we have a balanced budget and we have a surplus. Funding for programs like Medicare have RISEN. Granted, provinces who refuse to use transfer payments in accordance with federal laws, like those on abortion provision, don't get their cheques on time.

Mulrooney sold Canucks down the river with free trade. You say Stevie is different? I agree. Far worse. As a Maritimer, I don't like being shit on by some arrogant, insignificant weasel. As a Canuck... same deal... the guy is GWB with a Canuck flag up his ass. Maybe that's why he has a perpetual smile, insincere as it is, on his face. Vile and disgusting man.

BTW... did you see that Jack used a private clinic just a while ago... it is to laugh, er, cry....

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Peace
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 02:31 PM

"I will never vote for a man that wears mascara."

Well, as long as it doesn't clash with the rest of his ensemble, I have no problem with the idea.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 02:25 PM

Blah blah blahblah blah

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 02:24 PM

I will never vote for a man that wears mascara.

And why three excalmation marks in the thread title?

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 02:21 PM

Mr. Harper will need to cut 22 billion dollars in services to carry out his plan. What do you suppose he will cut to do that. He has already publicly stated that he will cancel the Liberal tax cuts. The issue of private medicare plans is a red herring as almost all working Canadians belong to a "Private Health Plan". These plans are not set up as an alternative to the National Plan they compliment it.
The Conservative Government of Nova Scotia did a great deal that was Detrimental to Health services in NS, then they blamed it on the feds.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Peace
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 02:20 PM

And a thoroughly boring piece of writing it was, too.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: GUEST,Bucky Beaver
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 02:00 PM

The horror...the horror...!

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Peace
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 01:57 PM

I voted. Neither Liberal nor Conservative. Those two are as corrupt as the Democrats and the Republicans in the US. Bastards all; a pox on both their houses.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 01:07 PM

Brian Mulrooney et al are not part of the new conservative party. I remember a time when Preston Manning said "if we dont do something to shore up our medicare system it will erode and will not function properly; we can raise taxes, reduce services, or add a private section so that part of the system is supported by people who pay for private health insurance" He was accused of being a redneck racist Nazi and demolished by the press. Jean Chretien said "I won't touch your social programs" He was elected and promptly had Mr Martin (finance Minister) cut transfer payments to all provinces, which really destroyed hospital services and beds in Nova Scotia.

He also failed to live up to his promises of eliminating the GST and failed miserably to secure decent wage increases for anyone. All the jobs he claims to have created are part time low paying benefitless service industry jobs and he is proud of that?So much for the great social Liberals.

Now we have Mr Harper who promises to cut the GST, cut taxes, and repair our medicare system, the Liberals declare foul and use the same scare tactics they used before. Sorry, there are now enough Candians who see through that; and hopefully we will get a government that will actually do some good for our country instead of raping it for personal benefit. BTW Mr Martin uses a Private Medical Clinic as does jean Charest, Brian Mulrooney, et al......

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 12:47 PM

I will never vote for any party who does not understand that Canadians and their Government have a social contract and a covenant with each other. Neither will I vote for any leader who has such a low regard for some parts of his own country that he refers to them as a bunch of losers and deafists. Stephen Harper is conning us into believing that he is Something that he is not. I do not belong to any political Part but I do have some pride and self respect.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: bobad
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 12:45 PM

Dave

What makes you think the Coservative/Reform party will/can "can fix our system so it doesn't crash completely. " ? Viz. Brian Mulroney.

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 12:19 PM

I think it is propaganda to shore up the Quebec dominated Public service and Liberal government of Paul Martin. Since their corruption was exposed they relied on fear mongering and downright lying propaganda to save their sorry asses; and apparently the Canadian public has woken up to this and is responding by voting Conservative. I like that and hope the Conservatives get a majority, then we can fix our system so it doesn't crash completely.

Yours, Aye. Dave

Subject: RE: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Peter T.
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 12:15 PM

The usual disgusting liberal bunch of do-gooders and interfering busybodies who are absolutely right!

yours,

Peter T.

Subject: BS: Canadians Read This!!!
From: Raptor
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 11:44 AM

Try this Go here!
Let me know what you think!

Raptor