BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: mandotim
Date: 28 Jan 10 - 07:33 AM

'--Your "poetry" sucks.
--It has been posted repeatedly before.
--It is full of bigoted and racist statements.
--That which isn't racist is often incredibly juvenile.
--It is obvious to most that you have limited knowledge of the world, especially considering your supposed travels.'

I'm not copy/pasting, I'm quoting.

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: catspaw49
Date: 28 Jan 10 - 10:33 AM

You are copy/pasting repetitious, gawdawful, crappola, WavyFWBR.
So I will quote from Mandotim above............

--Your "poetry" sucks.
--It has been posted repeatedly before.
--It is full of bigoted and racist statements.
--That which isn't racist is often incredibly juvenile.
--It is obvious to most that you have limited knowledge of the world, especially considering your supposed travels.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 28 Jan 10 - 12:22 PM

I may copy/paste any given poem once or twice a year (with some varied topical prose added) NOT once or twice a day, silly Spaw/Tim.

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: mandotim
Date: 28 Jan 10 - 02:06 PM

WAV, you clearly need to examine this and other threads in detail to establish the true frequency of your repetitions. It's a great deal more than once a year. While you are doing this, here's something which is often seen on such threads as this;
'Your "poetry" sucks.
--It has been posted repeatedly before.
--It is full of bigoted and racist statements.
--That which isn't racist is often incredibly juvenile.
--It is obvious to most that you have limited knowledge of the world, especially considering your supposed travels.'
Regards,
Tim

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 28 Jan 10 - 05:45 PM

I said "once or twice a year" and, lately, I am trying to be more topical/seasonal; and you, again, are being hypocritical.

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: s&r
Date: 28 Jan 10 - 07:30 PM

In all seriousness WAV the people who respond to you want to help you. They also want to stop the flood of immature and ill thought out posts which you send. Check the responses to your early posts to Mudcat, and you will find many offers of friendship and advice from sincere and knowledgeable people with mature views and cogent ideas.

I have learned so much on Mudcat (with qualifications and experience far in excess of yours) - why not continue the learning that at some time must have been important to you.

Your posts and the views expressed therein are anethema to so many people that I find your intransigence and truculent responses bewildering from one who claims to have some expertise in the humanities.


Stu

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: mandotim
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 01:24 AM

If you are trying to be topical, WAV, WRITE SOMETHING NEW! Your writings to date do not constitute the wisdom of the ages, and are therefore bound to lose their relevance over time. Repeating them ad nauseam doesn't make them true, or better poetry. As an example of something that IS true, and bears repetition, see below;
'Your "poetry" sucks.
--It has been posted repeatedly before.
--It is full of bigoted and racist statements.
--That which isn't racist is often incredibly juvenile.
--It is obvious to most that you have limited knowledge of the world, especially considering your supposed travels.'
Regards
Tim

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 05:08 AM

Delusion and hypocrisy - you few could do with a VISIT/wind down here...

Poem 25 of 230: UBUD

At Bali's Ubud,
    I wound myself down:
Having done Asia,
    It was just the town -
Before Australia
    And work to be found.

Staying in a hut
    (Traditional 'twas),
Beside rice paddies,
    And just eight dollars,
My mind was at ease -
    Calm like a scholar's.

I read and I mused
    Over where I'd been;
Saw Monkey Jungle,
    Which is cool and green;
And, from a bundle,
    Chose an artist's seen.

At night, a gecko -
    Friendly, on the wall;
By day, a farmer -
    At his rice-toil;
And, always, culture -
    Ubud's worth a call.

From http://blogs.myspace.com/walkaboutsverse (e-book)
Or http://walkaboutsverse.sitegoz.com (e-scroll)
(C) David Franks 2003

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: mandotim
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 05:36 AM

You don't like repeated postings any more than the rest of us, do you WAV? So why keep doing it yourself? All you are doing is showing the following to be pertinent yet again;
'Your "poetry" sucks.
--It has been posted repeatedly before.
--It is full of bigoted and racist statements.
--That which isn't racist is often incredibly juvenile.
--It is obvious to most that you have limited knowledge of the world, especially considering your supposed travels.'

Incidentally, the statement 'Having done Asia' is very revealing; as with all your outpourings, you assume that a limited visit to a tiny fragment of the continent in question enables you to generalise about the rest. That tends to suggest that the last comment from the learned Spaw is indeed true. In case you've forgotten what he said, I quote;

'Your "poetry" sucks.
--It has been posted repeatedly before.
--It is full of bigoted and racist statements.
--That which isn't racist is often incredibly juvenile.
--It is obvious to most that you have limited knowledge of the world, especially considering your supposed travels.'
Have you got the message yet David?
Tim

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: catspaw49
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 07:14 AM

Wow..........Tim of course nailed it but let me say, as I have before, THAT ONE is a fucking train wreck! I don't want to parse it down becasue it will be meaningless to you but statements 1, 2, and 4 below come shining through on this turkey.

Your "poetry" sucks.
--It has been posted repeatedly before.
--It is full of bigoted and racist statements.
--That which isn't racist is often incredibly juvenile.
--It is obvious to most that you have limited knowledge of the world, especially considering your supposed travels.

Have you got the message yet David?

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 01:35 PM

I get messages/comments most days, Spaw - some negative some genuinely positive, whether you want to believe it or not.

Tim - I spent a total of 7 months visiting different nations of Asia.

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: s&r
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 02:32 PM

Sadly WAV your travels mean as much to you, it seems to me, as a walk round the zoo.
"All these foreigners are cute/pathetic/interesting/badly treated/disenfranchised but no way do I want any of them in my country."

Does that sum it up?

Stu

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: catspaw49
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 02:55 PM

geeziz...................okay................I'll skip the first verse which says nothing including the ridiculous premise that you had "done" Asia (what part[s]) in seven months. Let's go to verse, and I use that word loosely, two.

Staying in a hut
    (Traditional 'twas),
Beside rice paddies,
    And just eight dollars,
My mind was at ease -
    Calm like a scholar's.

The first two lines are awkward at the very least. Line three gives us a minimal location while line four tells me the currency of choice was dollars.   You've been in "Asia" seven months and this joint uses dollars as their preferred exchange and you had the bucks on you.....is that it?

The last two lines are evidence that you know nothing of "scholars."   Obviously we MUST have a difference of opinion on scholars as I have known some very scholarly folks, many in educational or research positions and I cannot think of one who had a calm mind or was "at ease." Most have minds that are constantly engaged and working. They can be light and humorous or stern and serious by turns but they never really shut down. Its the one element that rings true across the board. While they can be relaxed, I would have chosen a different comparison than scholar. In your case, I'd pick "Calm like a deceased aardvark" because I think that's the closest to your mental agility.

And, from a bundle,
    Chose an artist's seen.

I have no fuckin' idea what that means.

By day, a farmer -
    At his rice-toil;

I'm submitting this one as a serious contender for the Worst Grammar, Worst Punctuation, and Worst Phrasing Award.   It takes a brokedick jadrool to make over eight errors in only eight words. You're a shoe-in for this one...............rice toil my ass.................

Let me conclude with this:

--Your "poetry" sucks.
--It has been posted repeatedly before.
--It is full of bigoted and racist statements.
--That which isn't racist is often incredibly juvenile.
--It is obvious to most that you have limited knowledge of the world, especially considering your supposed travels.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: catspaw49
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 02:59 PM

Stu once again hits the nail on the head.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 05:13 PM

No it doesn't, Stu - e.g., I'm for eco-tourism and fair-trade between nations, as well as genuine asylum seekers being helped to their nearest safe nation. And, Spaw, from a bundle of paintings shown to me, I chose one of a local scene - unlike your other criticisms, that one was not green, and I've corrected the spelling, thanks.

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: s&r
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 05:39 PM

Nearest safe nation means presumably no asylum seekers from anywhere except Scotland, Ireland, Wales, the Isle of Man, and France.

Well, there won't be anyone in that little lot that will spoil our good English culture too much (except perhaps the French).

It also means no-one from Africa, Asia, Australia, and all the other places where there are people of different ethnicities.

Sounds just a bit racist to me...


Stu

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: mandotim
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 05:44 PM

It's with a heavy heart that I write this, WAV; Spaw seems to have identified the worst poem ever written. When he said
'Your "poetry" sucks.
--It has been posted repeatedly before.
--It is full of bigoted and racist statements.
--That which isn't racist is often incredibly juvenile.
--It is obvious to most that you have limited knowledge of the world, especially considering your supposed travels.'
it appears he was being kind. It's much worse than that.
As for your political views; how do you define 'genuine' when applied to asylum seekers? How do you define 'safe' when applied to countries? What will you do if the country you send them to won't accept asylum seekers, genuine or not? How will you fund the 'help' you propose? You haven't thought any of this through, have you, despite having lots of time on your hands? What if England is the nearest country, and they move in next to you? What if they get a job when you can't/won't? How do you define fair trade? (Note; no hyphen). What is eco-tourism? ( I think you just made that up). Do you ever listen to anything other than the voices in your head?

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 05:49 PM

"Nearest" particularly in terms of culture, Stu, and it's something I think a stronger more-democratic U.N. should take control of, for a better, safer world.

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: mandotim
Date: 30 Jan 10 - 03:10 AM

How would the UN take control WAV? With military force? How would this be funded? How would you structure the voting at the new democratic UN to avoid utter stasis based upon defended national interests?
Stu has it right; from an English point of view, your proposal would exclude anyone non-Caucasian from seeking asylum here. That's BNP policy, WAV, and it's racist to the core. Clearly, Spaw's fourth point is relevant here. I'll post it in case you've forgotten;

'Your "poetry" sucks.
--It has been posted repeatedly before.
--It is full of bigoted and racist statements.
--That which isn't racist is often incredibly juvenile.
--It is obvious to most that you have limited knowledge of the world, especially considering your supposed travels.'

Are you getting the message yet David?

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 30 Jan 10 - 05:53 AM

Hypothetically, employing macro- not micro-management, Tim, I'd leave it to experts in the fields to flesh-out the details; and I'm not a British nationalist or Nationalist but an English republican...

Certainly no need for what happened to Charles 1 on this day in 1649, but...


Poem 225 of 230: AFTER PSALM 118:9 AND MATTHEW 4:8-10

The monarchies
    Now are blasphemies -
The only born-ruler
    Is a God-chosen Schooler.

From http://blogs.myspace.com/walkaboutsverse (e-book)
Or http://walkaboutsverse.sitegoz.com (e-scroll)
(C) David Franks 2003

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: s&r
Date: 30 Jan 10 - 06:04 AM

Or a latterday immigrant with delusions of...


stu

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: s&r
Date: 30 Jan 10 - 06:19 AM

ruling the world (via a stronger UN (yada yada...)

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: mandotim
Date: 30 Jan 10 - 07:31 AM

WAV, you haven't commented on the blatant racism of your proposal; I assume that's because it is completely indefensible? In case you've forgotten, Spaw's wise words may help to jog your memory;

'Your "poetry" sucks.
--It has been posted repeatedly before.
--It is full of bigoted and racist statements.
--That which isn't racist is often incredibly juvenile.
--It is obvious to most that you have limited knowledge of the world, especially considering your supposed travels.'

Still not got the message?

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: Smedley
Date: 30 Jan 10 - 07:38 AM

I don't know you're expecting sense from someone capable of putting "twas" in a poem.

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 30 Jan 10 - 08:53 AM

'Twas merely to save a syllable, Smed.!
And you get this message, Tim - I do love our world being multicultural.

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: s&r
Date: 30 Jan 10 - 09:19 AM

Multicultural like the zoo you travel round - each group of animals in its own quaint culture-cage (use that hyphen pair if you like WAV I don't mind) for the superior English to marvel at.

Stu

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: mandotim
Date: 30 Jan 10 - 09:51 AM

Fair point, Smedley. I'm not expecting sense though. I've tried many times before, and WAV can't actually sustain any of his assertions. The one point that WAV has grasped is how search engines work. The more occurrences of a set of words there are, the more likely it is that those results will come to the top of the search list; hence he keeps posting his drivel everywhere he can, including on this forum. He may begin to find that his search results are associated with another set of words though; for example;
'Your "poetry" sucks.
--It has been posted repeatedly before.
--It is full of bigoted and racist statements.
--That which isn't racist is often incredibly juvenile.
--It is obvious to most that you have limited knowledge of the world, especially considering your supposed travels.'

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: s&r
Date: 30 Jan 10 - 10:07 AM

Not just search engines Tim I'm amazed by how many sites/blogs have fawning comment from our friend, followed by gratified mutual masturbatory comments. I quote from above to save you looking for the post:

1. Post some tripe
2. Find a poetry Blog elsewhere, and say how good the poetry there is is - then link to the tripe in 1.
3. Wait for the pleased responses and praise from the person you've just brown nosed
4. Repeat 1. ad nauseam.

Stu

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: s&r
Date: 30 Jan 10 - 10:09 AM

98100 google results for Walkaboutsverse

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: catspaw49
Date: 30 Jan 10 - 12:37 PM

Yep......He's going to get hits alright but I don't mind. I don't mind helping so long as I'm notgiving him compliments or credibility. Some of those will lead folks to see exactly what he is and then even the program below will do no good:

1. Post some tripe
2. Find a poetry Blog elsewhere, and say how good the poetry there is is - then link to the tripe in 1.
3. Wait for the pleased responses and praise from the person you've just brown nosed
4. Repeat 1. ad nauseam.

Remember WavyFWBR.......

--Your "poetry" sucks.
--It has been posted repeatedly before.
--It is full of bigoted and racist statements.
--That which isn't racist is often incredibly juvenile.
--It is obvious to most that you have limited knowledge of the world, especially considering your supposed travels.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 30 Jan 10 - 04:42 PM

On another forum a few years ago, someone coined the term "WAVoholics" - it's you few who are posting rubbish. I'll pick out just one example from Stu - "for the superior English"...I've at least tried to support the "Land Rights" (a poem, not far above) of indigenous people, and have said how I detest the idea of white supremacy, as part of my genuine "love our world being multicultural" (again, just above).

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: mandotim
Date: 30 Jan 10 - 06:47 PM

Saying you detest white supremacy means nothing when your recommendation for the treatment of asylum seekers actually helps to promote England becoming a place where only white people are welcome.
Spaw's view is therefore further confirmed. In case you've forgotten, I'll quote it in full;
'Your "poetry" sucks.
--It has been posted repeatedly before.
--It is full of bigoted and racist statements.
--That which isn't racist is often incredibly juvenile.
--It is obvious to most that you have limited knowledge of the world, especially considering your supposed travels.'

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 31 Jan 10 - 03:47 AM

I've at least tried to support the "Land Rights" (a poem, not far above) of indigenous people, and have said how I detest the idea of white supremacy, as part of my genuine "love our world being multicultural" (again, just above).

And yet when asked how you might justify publishing such lies as English culture is taking a hammering and when people lose their culture, society suffers you reply (as you have done) that England was a more English place 50 years ago (i.e. before mass immigration). The conclusion being that your above humanitarian concerns are little more than a specious smokescreen to obscure your true feelings in which your celebrated love of a multicultural world is WAVspeak for a segregated ethnically cleansed human zoo policed by a totalitarian fascist world order (sorry, a stronger UN).

The only born rule is a God-chosen Schooler

Given your evident messianic convictions one can only presume this line is self-referential.

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 31 Jan 10 - 05:22 AM

I said, Tim, that asylum seekers should be helped to their nearest (especially in terms of culture) safe country.

S. - it is you, not I, who likes zoos and started a thread about an online album called "Jesus at the Zoo"; and it is I, not you, who has a degree in humanities...

West of Melbourne (where the Australian Open tennis final is now being played), is...

Poem 27 of 230: ADELAIDE

In work and study,
    I spent four years -
Good years really -
    At Adelaide.

A flat by the sea -
    Work nearby;
Then full-time uni. -
    At Adelaide.

A planned C.B.D.,
    With parks all round,
And much more to see -
    At Adelaide.

Glenelg; Rundle Mall;
    And the markets,
With many a stall -
    At Adelaide.

From http://blogs.myspace.com/walkaboutsverse (e-book)
Or http://walkaboutsverse.sitegoz.com (e-scroll)
(C) David Franks 2003

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: Smedley
Date: 31 Jan 10 - 05:42 AM

Judging by the rhyme scheme, WAV, you want us to pronounce 'uni' as 'youNEE'. Hmmmmmm......

Have you considered adopting a less rumpty-pumpty scansion ? A more expansive phrasing and metre might allow more room for your ideas to breathe, which should be useful as clearly you want your verse to be (at least some of the time) a vehicle for social messages.

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 31 Jan 10 - 05:52 AM

S. - it is you, not I, who likes zoos and started a thread about an online album called "Jesus at the Zoo";

Yup; I love zoos, and I'm a member of several (including Edinburgh & Blackpool) but animals aren't people & human culture isn't ecological in the same sense. That said, Jesus at the Zoo isn't about zoos as such, rather it's by way of a Gnostic Bestiary in Music & Song inspired by certain illuminations from the Ashmole Bestiary (such as THIS) which though actually depicting God creating the animals, nevertheless give the impression of Jesus enjoying a day out at the zoo. Again, please note the menagerie doesn't include human beings, unlike your World Vision as pointed out earlier by Stu.

and it is I, not you, who has a degree in humanities...

Are you sure that isn't Inhumanities, WAV? Because everything you've written, published & promoted since (your Life's Work indeed) is the most inhumane pile of misanthropic self-obsessed ego-wallowing bullshit since Mein Kampf. Personally, I've more respect for your fork-lift qualification, at least there you might demonstrate some practical understanding - unlike your pronouncements on anthropology which would suggest a less than casual acquaintance with the discipline. And this from someone who did study the subject as a subsidiary of my degree in English Language and Linguistics at Durham University before serious ill-health forced my withdrawal.

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: catspaw49
Date: 31 Jan 10 - 06:25 AM

although you refuse to see it S-O hammers it home. And Smedley does a beautiful job in describing your putrid poetic palaver. Once again I can see you need to be told:

--Your "poetry" sucks.
--It has been posted repeatedly before.
--It is full of bigoted and racist statements.
--That which isn't racist is often incredibly juvenile.
--It is obvious to most that you have limited knowledge of the world, especially considering your supposed travels.


Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 31 Jan 10 - 06:29 AM

You would try and mock formal qualifications, S., because you don't have them and are ultra-competitive.

Yes, Smedley, that's how I'd pronounce "uni". And, in my 230 poems, I tried to use a variety of structures (some, as you suggest, easier to express with than others), many of which I came across whilst reading widely from the canon of English verse.

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: mandotim
Date: 31 Jan 10 - 06:58 AM

'I said, Tim, that asylum seekers should be helped to their nearest (especially in terms of culture) safe country.'
I know what you said, dumbass. It's racist, and the fact that you don't understand the racist implications of your comment proves once again that Spaw has summed things up well;
Walkaboutsverse;
--Your "poetry" sucks.
--It has been posted repeatedly before.
--It is full of bigoted and racist statements.
--That which isn't racist is often incredibly juvenile.
--It is obvious to most that you have limited knowledge of the world, especially considering your supposed travels.
We've been through the whole attacking S O'P bit before WAV; he is different to you in a number of ways, one of which is that he is able to demonstrate a far higher degree of learning than you ever will. I'm a senior academic these days, and I find his knowledge and ability to express that knowledge quite breathtaking at times. I really wish he was one of my Masters students, but I suspect I'd end up being one of his. Compare that to someone who deliberately stopped learning a long time ago, and can't use the English language properly. And for the record; 'Uni' is pronounced with a short 'i', not 'unee'. Forcing something into rhyme to fit pointless doggerel doesn't make it correct.
Got the message yet, David?

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 31 Jan 10 - 07:03 AM

You would try and mock formal qualifications, S., because you don't have them and are ultra-competitive.

Au contraire on both counts, David.

Firstly - I have the highest regard for academia; I met my wife when she was an undergrad at Durham University, reading for Theology. She since trained to be a nurse and is now a Community Matron reading for her masters in her down-time, musical distractions (and distinctions) notwithstanding of course.

Secondly - I'm not competitive in the slightest, just inclined to accord respect and disrespect where it's due. In your case it's mostly the latter, purely for the fact that you persist in the promotion a Life's Work that hangs like dead weight around your neck heavy with conclusions that were erroneous when you reached them years ago. Your general Misanthropy aside, you have shown no willingness to learn (unless it is to alter the odd word in your execrable rhythm-less verse) or else attempt any understanding of your adopted culture but cling on to your willow-licked streams vision of an Ethnically-Cleansed Christian England that has no contemporary or historic relevance whatsoever.

As Jesus said: By their works ye shall know them - not by their fork-lift qualifications or Degrees in Inhumanity. In your case, he might have said by their Life's Work ye shall know them, the shortcomings of which have been adequately demonstrated here. In short, it goes something like:

--Your "poetry" sucks.
--It has been posted repeatedly before.
--It is full of bigoted and racist statements.
--That which isn't racist is often incredibly juvenile.
--It is obvious to most that you have limited knowledge of the world, especially considering your supposed travels.

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: s&r
Date: 31 Jan 10 - 08:11 AM

"We've been through the whole attacking S O'P bit before WAV; he is different to you in a number of ways, one of which is that he is able to demonstrate a far higher degree of learning than you ever will."

I concur with this quote - Sean is as well lettered an individual as I have encountered anywhere, and shows a clarity of thought that I often envy. Read and marvel WAV.

Stu

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 31 Jan 10 - 08:13 AM

Realist NOT racist, Tim.

S. - my "supposed travels" (you now copy/pasting band-wagon rubbish) can be proven via passports (including one from the Youth Hostel Association...any one else stop in YHAs..?), as can the distinctiions I received during my Humanities Degrees, which you did attempt to mock, above.

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: s&r
Date: 31 Jan 10 - 08:31 AM

Oh come on WAV - a bog standard degree is OK as a starting point, but it's hardly an education. Trade certificated are in evidence on the wall of our local fish and chip shop.

I know a lot of people - more have degrees than not. No-one I know attempt to use their degree to bludgeon others. Instead they rely on force of argument, consistent logic, evidence, the concurrence of experts and a structured reasoned approach to a discussion. This seems normal and proper to me.

Most people I know will listen and consider any counter argument offering different opinions, and will often modify their own views accordingly.

I'm with Tim as an academic and educator. I've said before how much I value the knowledge base of Mudcat. I find it hard to tolerate your use of this precious forum as a pulpit for your bigotry

Stu

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 31 Jan 10 - 08:41 AM

That from Stu, who repeatedly calls me "Australian," even though I've repeatedly mentioned that I was born here, have lived here some 17 years, and keep practising E. trads and hymns, plus other aspects of England's good cultural heritage. And I only mention my C.V. IN DEFENCE.

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: mandotim
Date: 31 Jan 10 - 08:56 AM

Racist, not realist WAV. By any reasonable definition, including your precious UN, and by any sort of calm, logical argument that an educated person might use. As Spaw puts it;
--Your "poetry" sucks.
--It has been posted repeatedly before.
--It is full of bigoted and racist statements.
--That which isn't racist is often incredibly juvenile.
--It is obvious to most that you have limited knowledge of the world, especially considering your supposed travels.

You mention your CV repeatedly; is it helping to find you a job so you don't have to sponge off the rest of us?

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: mandotim
Date: 31 Jan 10 - 09:13 AM

Culturally, WAV, you ARE Australian. Your language repeatedly shows this to be true (anyone use the words 'chooks' or 'Kooris' in England?) Why are you so ashamed of that?
Your travels merely show that it is possible to cover great distances, see lots of things and learn absolutely nothing at all. Difficult for most people, but a breeze for someone as self-absorbed as you.
You don't understand English culture in the slightest; I don't blame you for that, you weren't brought up here after all, but what really irks me (and most people on this board) is your constant ill-informed blethering about what English culture ought to be. You are talking (mostly) to people who understand their own culture as part of their life and soul, not some superficial pastiche as seen by some immigrant with delusions of omnipotence. Can't you see the monumental and misplaced arrogance of your position? Would you (for example) seek to explain to Roger Federer how to play tennis? Seek to educate Pele in the finer points of football? Point out to Einstein the inconsistencies in his theories? I hope not; and yet you seem to think it's ok to tell English people how to experience their own culture. It's not, and the sooner you leave this board and go and irritate some other poor souls the better. Spaw has it right;
--Your "poetry" sucks.
--It has been posted repeatedly before.
--It is full of bigoted and racist statements.
--That which isn't racist is often incredibly juvenile.
--It is obvious to most that you have limited knowledge of the world, especially considering your supposed travels.

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 31 Jan 10 - 09:16 AM

That will be easier when people stop questioning my repatriation (e.g., "Why ON EARTH did you come back?" or "You must be mad!" at interviews) and start questioning New Labour's extreme pro-immigrationism. And given that people on this very thread still refuse to accept that I'm English, it shouldn't be hard to believe.

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: s&r
Date: 31 Jan 10 - 09:38 AM

"If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, it must be a duck"

You sound Australian. That is the country that educated (sic) you and nurtured you through your impressionable years. You know nothing of English culture. You have an Australian passport and citizenship still?
you have learned little from England in your time here.

I can't see what your problem is with being Australian. It's a fine and proud country.

But wishing won't make you English to me I'm afraid.

"If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, it must be a duck"

Can I say again WAV: I don't dislike you; I don't know you . You're probably an alright guy (Sean says so and I value his opinion). I have tried repeatedly to help in your education. I would like to like you. So I suspect would many others on the forum who you malign and impugn.

It's your posts I detest. They smack of all the isms that I would not wish to be associated with.

From what you say 'On another forum a few years ago, someone coined the term "WAVoholics"' this is not the only place which opposes ypur postings. I have seen worse descriptors than WAVoholics on various forums.

Sincerely

Stu

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 31 Jan 10 - 09:49 AM

Having gone along with the false band-wagon labelling, Stu, you say "I don't know you"...who's a "quack", then?!

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 31 Jan 10 - 09:49 AM

The Famous Tay Whale
'TWAS in the month of December, and in the year 1883,
That a monster whale came to Dundee,
Resolved for a few days to sport and play,
And devour the small fishes in the silvery Tay.

So the monster whale did sport and play
Among the innocent little fishes in the beautiful Tay,
Until he was seen by some men one day,
And they resolved to catch him without delay.

When it came to be known a whale was seen in the Tay,
Some men began to talk and to say,
We must try and catch this monster of a whale,
So come on, brave boys, and never say fail.

Then the people together in crowds did run,
Resolved to capture the whale and to have some fun!
So small boats were launched on the silvery Tay,
While the monster of the deep did sport and play.

Oh! it was a most fearful and beautiful sight,
To see it lashing the water with its tail all its might,
And making the water ascend like a shower of hail,
With one lash of its ugly and mighty tail.

Then the water did descend on the men in the boats,
Which wet their trousers and also their coats;
But it only made them the more determined to catch the whale,
But the whale shook at them his tail.

Then the whale began to puff and to blow,
While the men and the boats after him did go,
Armed well with harpoons for the fray,
Which they fired at him without dismay.

And they laughed and grinned just like wild baboons,
While they fired at him their sharp harpoons:
But when struck with,the harpoons he dived below,
Which filled his pursuers' hearts with woe.

Because they guessed they had lost a prize,
Which caused the tears to well up in their eyes;
And in that their anticipations were only right,
Because he sped on to Stonehaven with all his might:

And was first seen by the crew of a Gourdon fishing boat
Which they thought was a big coble upturned afloat;
But when they drew near they saw it was a whale,
So they resolved to tow it ashore without fail.

So they got a rope from each boat tied round his tail,
And landed their burden at Stonehaven without fail;
And when the people saw it their voices they did raise,
Declaring that the brave fishermen deserved great praise.

And my opinion is that God sent the whale in time of need,
No matter what other people may think or what is their creed;
I know fishermen in general are often very poor,
And God in His goodness sent it drive poverty from their door.

So Mr John Wood has bought it for two hundred and twenty-six pound,
And has brought it to Dundee all safe and all sound;
Which measures 40 feet in length from the snout to the tail,
So I advise the people far and near to see it without fail.

Then hurrah! for the mighty monster whale,
Which has got 17 feet 4 inches from tip to tip of a tail!
Which can be seen for a sixpence or a shilling,
That is to say, if the people all are willing.


Maybe one day, you'll be as good a poet as William Topaz McGonagall WAV, but somehow I doubt it.