BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 05 Jan 14 - 06:28 PM

Oh, I know...Disregard, for yourself and your fellow mankind, IS in FACT....STUPIDITY!!.....and fucking stupidity has killed more on the planet, than all the intentional ill-intent!!!

Its roots begin with 'ones feelings for self gratification'.....and by lying to ourselves creating another.

Everyone else can fill in their own conclusion.....(s)......

Regards!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Bill D
Date: 05 Jan 14 - 07:34 PM

"... action to encourage responsible conduct .."

Action? Again.. buried in that seemingly innocuous remark are several implications;just as above that "...frequent testing and contact tracing.." does not spell out voluntary testing or how to ascertain exactly who needs to be tested.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Don Firth
Date: 05 Jan 14 - 08:42 PM

". . . but if infection rates amongst MSM continue to rise by 10% annually while rates in all other demographics are falling. . . ."

Okay, Ake, let's see some substantiation for that figure. And where, exactly--other than possibly Africa--is this rise taking place?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 06 Jan 14 - 01:26 AM

Bill. I do shout. You don't. Fair enough.

You post a reasonable argument for engaging rather than scorning and he replies by comparing gay relationships with incest and plucking a figure from the air that has no basis in the country which he wishes to inflict his "list."

I rest my case.

Out of interest for anyone wishing to look at UK figures, these are collected by a body called Health and Social Care Information Centre (HSCIC). At this time our rather unfortunate system means primary care information is not collected although this will happen from April. Meaning the crude statistics Keith has been flying in peoples' faces from other collection sources will in future be more timely and hopefully more accurate as predictions will be based on a much larger data set, including the sad rise in women issues from anal sex as male expectation rises as it were..

In any case, the false clinical argument for homophobia will look even less credible.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Jan 14 - 02:54 AM

The PHE and HPA figures are not "crude."
That is simply a lie and you can not substantiate it.

They show that hetero diagnoses have been falling for a decade.
If a figure emerged from any source that suggested they were rising it would be headline news.

I defy you to quote ANY SOURCE YOU LIKE that says they are rising.

You have been exposed in a lie and you can not bluster it away.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 06 Jan 14 - 03:46 AM

Sorry Keith, I have never expressed an opinion. I have quoted the intelligence healthcare services are planned with. If you have an issue with that, I suggest you wait till the education secretary Michael Gove becomes a health minister. He seems to be good at twisting truth to fit a right wing agenda, judging by his battle with "left wing" Baldrick...

I humoured you, waiting for you to realise where we get our figures from, waiting to see if you read enough in order to see HSCIC and where it fits in. You didn't, hence you have no understanding at all. Not worth wasting breath on you as your position is not only one of ignorance, but failure to learn.

As you were advancing a right wing agenda on WW1 and the government are saying the same thing, does this mean persecution of minorities is the next thing they are to launch? I ask merely because you seem to have an inside track judging by your support for sanitising history, their latest venture.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Jan 14 - 04:04 AM

As you were advancing a right wing agenda on WW1

Another lie. Trying desperately to discredit me now.
I have just quoted Tristram Hunt, historian and Labour MP on how the political left responded in 1914, and Dr. Gary Sheffield whose views I have used in support of my case is of the left.
To me it is not a political discussion.

HSCIC acually use PHE data.
It is a lie to call them "crude."
Instead of more musket balls, give us something, anything, that supports any of it.
You can't.

You state hetero infections are rising.
That is not true.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Jan 14 - 04:07 AM

I have quoted the intelligence healthcare services are planned with. If you have an issue with that,...

Have an issue?
It is incomprehensible.
And where have you quoted anyone?

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Jan 14 - 04:08 AM

1. I have already answered your question several times on this and other threads.
2. What is YOUR answer to the problem, or do you think there IS no problem?


Sorry for the cuts but all can see the whole post, just above. I just want to address the salient points.

1. You have STILL not answered my questions. How would compulsory testing be enforced. What would you do with the people who prove to be HIV positive. None of your points answer these questions.
2. You suggested I was jumping to conclusions about your views then suggest that I consider that there is no problem. HIV is an issue, just as any other virus or disease is. I am not qualified to propose a solution.

So, once again for the record. How would compulsory testing be enforced. What would you do with the people who prove to be HIV positive.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Jan 14 - 04:14 AM

Just found this hero of the bible belt BTW. Anyone care to put up a link to a 'militant atheist' equivalent?

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 06 Jan 14 - 04:51 AM

We can answer all our questions easily.

The gay bit? Our true religion takes all comers. So long as you can play bingo, you are in. (I assume gay people can play bingo. Ian Fleming reckoned they couldn't whistle, but that's another story.)

WW1 revisionism? Let's ask someone who was there and central to the debate. General Melchard! Are you there?

BAARRR!!!!!!!!!!!

That settles that then.

Isn't it funny how the ludicrous Secretary of State for education seems to have entered this thread through a circuitous route? He's the fool who reckons children benefit from being brainwashed into guilt in a way that can fuck them up for life.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Jan 14 - 06:33 AM

"Keith says heterosexual transmission is falling but it isn't."

It is, and has been for a decade according to the official, confirmed figures.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 06 Jan 14 - 11:20 AM

I wonder if Keith is posting awful lies through pig ignorance or nasty agenda?

For the interest of anyone still alive and with us, I have on my screen "official" figures of a sort. You see, there are no official figures. There are historical ones and there are predictions. The good news is that despite the wishes of Keith A Hole of Hertford and his pet worm, being gay is not the reason for recent HIV figures. I do hope the figures get worse before they get better as the present combination of screening and secondary diagnosis has yielded great success in combating the cause of this viral condition, and it is hoped that a similar approach nay help us with the vast majority of worrying sexually transmitted diseases.

Also, as of April, the primary care figures will, for the very first time, be included in returns. The fact they are not yet skews some commentaries, including the hand picked ones Keith is advised to concentrate on by either his church or political party.

It isn't good news by the way, but good enough to stop the argument for rounding up sections of society in order to blame them for society's issues.

No need for pogroms. Nothing to see here.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Jan 14 - 12:03 PM

Dave, I apologise for my short response to you ..."do you think there IS no problem"...that was a bit presumptuous.

Onwards and upwards. Folks who test positive I presume would be treated as they are now, by lifetime care on antiretrovirals.
What do you not understand about that, I am rather puzzled?

Regarding compulsion, I would rather it was not needed and I have no idea how the health agencies would enforce the increased testing that they are advising, however, as I said already if infection rates amongst male homosexuals continue to increase at between 8 and 10% per annum, testing will have to be enforced.

You keep asking me how "I" would enforce increased testing and contact tracing, but thankfully that is not my decision to make, this is why we have health agencies, and up until now, in regard to male homosexuals and STD's, they have NOT been doing their job.

The biggest problem at the moment, is getting people to admit that there is a serious sexual health epidemic among male homosexuals, as most folks are so bound to their "equality" agenda and see telling the truth about this situation as "discrimination."
It is an almost unbelievably stupid stance to take,

You of all people should understand where I am coming from, as you were the one who said that...."anyone who believes we have equality in this country must be mad"...or words to that effect.

I fully agree with your view on that.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Jan 14 - 12:16 PM

Ian, you posts are incomprehensible nonsense.
Why do you continue to make a fool of yourself?
The figures are prepared and presented by the health agencies, are you saying that they present statistics which are skewed or designed to show male homosexuals in a bad light?
That is ridiculous, their figures are a hundred times more believable than the manic jargon that you produce.

Stick to your forte, cussing, attempted intimidation, childish name calling and sexual innuendo.   At least they fit your online persona.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 Jan 14 - 12:25 PM

So, it looks like Kieth and Akenaton are posting the HIV figures, because the numbers are alarming....and some of the others on here, want to suppress the numbers because they think that they are not alarming?? The spread of AIDS is most commonly sexually transmitted activity, and needles ...so, what's the bitch?....hetero transmission is better than homo transmission??....(Ya' gotta scroll back a couple of posts and read the bit on self-gratification overruling concern for your fellow mankind)...one form is not any more 'benevolent' than the other...and it's ironic that this should be on the, 'Militant atheism has become a religion' thread....I mean MORALS happens to fall under the 'religious' category...Are the 'atheists' now distancing themselves from 'morality' too....or just wanting to 'employ' them, while disavowing themselves from the reason 'why'?

I don't know that there is any reason to doubt Ake's and Kieth's numbers. For a LONG time Ake has posted numbers right from the Centers for Disease Control..and has taken a lot of crap for it...because the 'so-called liberals'(that's the bandwagon variety), are aligned with the homosexual community to bring about change, and destroy the concept of traditional marriage to do it....in order to defer to the government for everything......BUT THEN THEY DISPUTE THE GOVERNMENT'S OWN FIGURES!!!!????!!!!????.....because it doesn't support their allegiances????

'I think the only way to simplify my life,
Is fix my car and drive away'

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Jan 14 - 12:38 PM

Musket, you are lying about the PHE and HPA stats.
They ARE the stats, and show hetero infections have been falling for a decade.

If you are challenging that, do not just spout more stuff out of your own head, do not tell us what is on your screen, JUST SHOW US SOMETHING THAT DOES NOT COME FROM YOU.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 Jan 14 - 01:05 PM

Seems logical to me....

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Jan 14 - 02:15 PM

Folks who test positive I presume would be treated as they are now, by lifetime care on antiretrovirals.
What do you not understand about that, I am rather puzzled?

The only thing I am do not understand is why you have not responded to my question in this way before. There is nothing controversial or leading edge in this. I am quite happy with the response but it does nothing to cure the virus. Only research will do that and when I suggested that was the case you told us that research was useless and would never find a cure.

Regarding compulsion, I would rather it was not needed and I have no idea how the health agencies would enforce the increased testing that they are advising, however, as I said already if infection rates amongst male homosexuals continue to increase at between 8 and 10% per annum, testing will have to be enforced.

So, once again, how do you suggest the testing is enforced? You say you have no idea how this would be achieved yet continually state it must be done. You must have some idea if you believe so strongly that it must be done 'for their own good'.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Jan 14 - 02:18 PM

BTW - What does all this have to do with 'militant atheism'? Why don't you start your own thread on the spread of HIV?

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 06 Jan 14 - 02:20 PM

"For the interest of anyone still alive and with us, I have on my screen "official" figures of a sort. You see, there are no official figures. There are historical ones and there are predictions. The good news is that despite the wishes of Keith A Hole of Hertford and his pet worm,"


You are free to be anything you want EXCEPT unkind, impolite, argumentative, snooty,

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Jan 14 - 02:35 PM

It does nothing to cure the virus, but if caught before symptoms appear there is every chance of the patient leading a full and normal life.
Also, the patient becomes much less infectious, so infection is reduced even if the victim behaves irresponsibly.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Jan 14 - 02:39 PM

Come on Dave, I said already, the virus may never be cured.
Research must of course go on, but in the meantime, the TRANSMISSION of the disease must be slowed or halted and that is where frequent testing and contact tracing comes in.
The MSM demographic (1.5%) of the population accounts for almost 60% of all new cases of HIV and almost 70 % of all new cases of syphilis, this makes it the major "at risk" group by a huge percentage and the health agencies say that "at risk" groups should be targeted.

I you want to know how the agencies are going to enforce their suggestions.....ask them.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Jan 14 - 03:23 PM

Why did you just not say so in the first place, ake? I see nothing untoward in your suggestions. I am still concerned about compulsory testing and where it will lead but that is speculation that I will not indulge in.

As to "the virus may never be cured", what about

this

this or

this


All positive articles indicating that a cure will be found. You are, by your own admission, not a medical expert. Yet you persist in suggesting that testing is the way forward while "the virus may never be cured" by research. Which is it ake? How can you say that testing is the only way forward yet not have the conviction to tell us how you think it should be enforced? How can you say research may never find a cure and yet deny that you are an expert in this field? Make your mind up.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 06 Jan 14 - 04:02 PM

Dave on the one hand you say HIV should not be discussed on this thread. On the other hand you continue the discussion.

Is your interest is mature discussion or in finding excuses to berate Ake? Evidence points to the latter.

Please kindly pick one of your positions and stick with it.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Jan 14 - 05:06 PM

one hand you say HIV should not be discussed on this thread

Please point out where monsieur matelot. I think you will find I actually said What does all this have to do with 'militant atheism'? Why don't you start your own thread on the spread of HIV?


I simply questioned the reasoning for doing so, not tried to inhibit it. I will leave that to fundamentalists like the previously mentioned "Reverend" Michael Crook.

If that is what passes for an argument in your circles it is little wonder that Christianity is in trouble.


DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 06 Jan 14 - 08:15 PM

On the one hand you berate Ake for discussing HIV on this thread on the other you are unkind, impolite, argumentative, and snooty with me because I point that out.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 07 Jan 14 - 03:29 AM

Real liberal minded people wouldn't do that..but 'so-called liberal wannabe's' don't really have too long of an attention span...
That should be self evident....they have to change their excuses to often....the childish tactics remain the same, though...


GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Jan 14 - 04:19 AM

Dave, you are right in stating that I am no expert, but there are very many viruses for which there are no cure, not just HIV.
HIV/AIDS is a very serious illness causing death or at best, lifetime medication and health care; as this is the case, we need to concentrate on curtailing transmission rates until a "cure" may be found.

There is no cure for cancer, so we enforce rules to stop the disease developing. like the anti smoking laws etc.

I think Jack may have a point, in that these things should be self evident, and you keep asking questions which are not really relevant to the issue.

It is not my job to work out ways of enforcing responsible behaviour in male homosexuals.....but there is certainly a need to do so.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Jan 14 - 04:23 AM

On the original subject of the thread, I am an atheist (at present), but see no need to denigrate believers for having the strength to hold a religious faith.

That is what this thread is all about.....Denigration of religion.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Jan 14 - 04:55 AM

There is no cure for cancer, so we enforce rules to stop the disease developing. like the anti smoking laws etc.

But we do put millions of pounds and years of man hours into finding one. And no-one at all is prevented from smoking if they want to do so in the privacy of their own homes.

It is not my job to work out ways of enforcing responsible behaviour in male homosexuals

Then why bring it up at every possible opportunity?

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Jan 14 - 04:59 AM

Missed one.

That is what this thread is all about.....Denigration of religion.

Errr, no, it is about the denigration of atheism. The title gives us the clue. For the umpteenth time, I, and many others on here, have no issue whatsoever with religion. What we do take exception to is the forced indoctrination of children and the insistence, by some, that religious dogma should be taught as science.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 07 Jan 14 - 05:05 AM

You know what the most ironic aspect of this sideshow is?

I keep saying what a problem HIV is, and that it is an issue for the gay population. Those with an agenda insist on saying I am blinkered to the issue and keep saying there is no problem.

There is no problem that needs rounding up sections of society and putting them on a register. There is no problem that curtailing freedom would address. Even if such an action had health benefits, which it clearly wouldn't. In a fit of common sense, Goofus pointed the problem out.

But there is a health problem, and yes, gay people are at risk still, together with heterosexual people. I have patiently explained why here in The UK, we need to employ hundreds of doctors in public health and the support they get because there is no definitive "here is the issue, now fund sorting it" repository of information. The HSCIC is the nearest we have, and other agencies such as HPA / PHE use their figures. Even Keith might be able to find the articles in the last week regarding primary care, ie, people going to their GP with an issue, not being part of the statistics unless they come in much later as a secondary care referral. Hence, and I hate using the term but here goes again, meta analysis of all health related data reveals the huge heterosexual risk. HPA data demonstrates trends based on historical trajectory, and that is useful. Putting it in with other data and applying it locally is what specialised commissioning bodies and CCGs in The NHS do, as just about all sexual health services are publicly funded here. Locally, we are bidding to enlarge the gynaecology service to address the tertiary end of female sexual health issues, and having read the business case only yesterday, the complications from promiscuity are on the increase, including unmet viral complaint, (HIV in the main.)

Apparently, because I am involved in all this, I know less than disgusting homophobes who occasionally let their bigotry slip in this thread and others, revealing their true interest.

Well fuck 'em.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Jan 14 - 05:45 AM

The HSCIC is the nearest we have, and other agencies such as HPA / PHE use their figures.

Not true.
HSCIC have no HIV figures.
PHE/HPA do and they clearly show new diagnoses among heterosexuals have been falling for a decade.
Not an estimate, the figures are known exactly up to Dec 2012, and are precise to the nearest 10.


"Keith says heterosexual transmission is falling but it isn't."
Yes it is.
You are wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Jan 14 - 05:54 AM

"Public Health England (PHE) collects data on sexual health services and sexually transmitted infections (STI) diagnosed in genito-urinary medicine (GUM) clinics and other clinical and community-based settings in England. The data provide information on trends in STI diagnoses over the past ten years and the numbers and rates of diagnoses by sex, age, ethnic group, sexual risk and geographical distribution. Trends on the provision of GUM services, including sexual health screening and vaccinations, are also presented."

"The report, Sexually transmitted infections and chlamydia screening in England, 2012, in PHE's Health Protection Report, presents the most recent information on trends in STI diagnoses and a summary of chlamydia screening activity in England. This annual publication provides useful background for interpreting patterns of STIs in England and their implications for programme planning and public health policy."

"Updated: 17 December 2013"

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Jan 14 - 06:12 AM

PHE responsibilities.(extract)

•sharing our information and expertise with local authorities, industry and the NHS, to help them make improvements in the public's health
•researching, collecting and analysing data to improve our understanding of health and come up with answers to public health problems

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Jan 14 - 08:14 AM

Ian continually gives the impression that infection rates for hetero men and male homosexuals are roughly on a par.

This is a deliberate lie.
Infection rates for male homosexuals are massively higher than for male heterosexuals, or indeed for any other demographic.

Ian knows or should know this very well, but to defend his agenda he is prepared to lie and obfuscate.

Several years ago HPA stated that homosexuals were almost 50 times more likely to develop HIV/AIDS, than heterosexuals.
These figures must have worsened with the increase in infection rates amongst male homosexuals.
Why is this the case Ian?

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Pete from seven stars link
Date: 07 Jan 14 - 12:10 PM

Some of us, Dave, don't like the religious position of evolutionism , under the guise of science, indoctrinating our kids..........one mans science is another mans myth!

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Greg F.
Date: 07 Jan 14 - 12:36 PM

the religious position of evolutionism , under the guise of science,

You really have no fucking idea what you're talking about, do you pete?

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 07 Jan 14 - 12:44 PM

Rather tedious when what you have been saying is repeated in a cut and paste, demonstrating what you have said all along, but presented to make it look like you were lying?

I give up. Forecasts, predictions and data exist in any modelling. The picture on sexual health is similar to many other health specialties, a developing agenda where the need on the ground is rarely in tune with the perceived need.

Not that any of that is relevant. Keith A Hole of Hertford has ably demonstrated that 67% of the unmet need is not of gay origin. So the less we hear of rounding up gay people in order to solve an issue that can only be partially solved by the successful interventions in place, the better.

Perverted? Not normal? Not natural? Against God's wishes? Apologise worm, or at least have the decency to be ashamed of yourself.

Out of interest, I have no agenda. I get just as frustrated over false flag incidence statistics in many other areas of health. It's just that at this point, nobody is linking cancer, diabetes or CHD to "unnatural" lifestyle that requires the rest of us to round them up and force them to undergo tests purely to have a red stamp on the record society would hold.

Sick puppy.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Jan 14 - 12:58 PM

Dave, you Steve and Ian have referred to people of faith who write here as if they were idiots, they have also been the butt of many lame jokes.

Although Frank may have been sincere in his OP, the thread has degenerated into a snide little gang insulting people because of their beliefs.
Pete has had to put up with a lot of stupid name calling, but has behaved impeccably, coming out to this debate with great credit.

I will admit Dave, that you are not the worst offender.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Jan 14 - 01:50 PM

Dave, you Steve and Ian have referred to people of faith who write here as if they were idiots

Examples please, ake. Give me a link to a post where I suggest people of faith are idiots. Otherwise withdraw the statement.

I may believe that one or two people who do have faith are also idiots but I have never suggested that having faith is the basis for idiocy. Pushing your own faith on others is stupid but having faith yourself is not. My Grandfather was a priest. My Father is still, even in his dementia, a man of great faith. Neither were idiots. Neither have ever suggested anyone should be murdered because they believe any differently. Neither tried to force me or my siblings to believe their version of religion.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Jan 14 - 03:07 PM

It could be construed from the following epithets (just from the first few pages), that you view your fellow debaters with more than a little disdain?


"Bollocks" and a further twelve equally humorous variants.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Jan 14 - 03:59 PM

Rather tedious when what you have been saying is repeated in a cut and paste, demonstrating what you have said all along, but presented to make it look like you were lying?

No.
You claimed the opposite was true.
That is why I posted the truth.
Sorry it makes it look like you were lying.


"Keith says heterosexual transmission is falling but it isn't."

It is, and has been for a decade according to the only official figures which I will happily quote again.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 07 Jan 14 - 04:04 PM

So disappointing ruining a perfectly good rule following post with this.


Apparently, because I am involved in all this, I know less than disgusting homophobes who occasionally let their bigotry slip in this thread and others, revealing their true interest.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 07 Jan 14 - 04:13 PM

Dave you treated me like an idiot for simply paraphrasing you. It is clear enough that your intent was to berate Ake. Also your mocking participation in Shaw and Ian's "new religion." is a few steps beyond unkind. You can demand literal quotations until the cows come home but your intent and your actions are clear enough.

"one hand you say HIV should not be discussed on this thread

Please point out where monsieur matelot. I think you will find I actually said What does all this have to do with 'militant atheism'? Why don't you start your own thread on the spread of HIV?


I simply questioned the reasoning for doing so, not tried to inhibit it. I will leave that to fundamentalists like the previously mentioned "Reverend" Michael Crook.

If that is what passes for an argument in your circles it is little wonder that Christianity is in trouble."

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Jan 14 - 04:35 PM

From Ian.....No 1 candidate for stupidest statement on this thread.

OUT OF INTEREST, I HAVE NO AGENDA. I get just as frustrated over false flag incidence statistics in many other areas of health. It's just that at this point, nobody is linking cancer, diabetes or CHD to "unnatural" lifestyle that requires the rest of us to round them up and force them to undergo tests purely to have a red stamp on the record society would hold.

Capitalised....the biggest lie on this thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 07 Jan 14 - 04:37 PM

"Some of us, Dave, don't like the religious position of evolutionism , under the guise of science, indoctrinating our kids..........one mans science is another mans myth! "

Pete, pete, pete,

You know that evolution is not a myth. Evolutionism if it exists, is not practiced by anyone on this forum. In my education, like most of us, I was told that evolution was a scientific theory and was given the evidence that and told of the discoveries that supported it one after another.

In Sunday school I was told that God did such and such and was given cartoon pictures of Noah's flood and rainbows which was God's promise that it would not happen again. Beautiful stories and myths of collective consciousness, but Newton told us about the physical reality of rainbows didn't he.

It is easy to see which method is education and which is indoctrination.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 07 Jan 14 - 04:41 PM

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/exploringourmatrix/2014/01/selective-literalism.html

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 07 Jan 14 - 04:56 PM

1700?????!!!!