BS: Christian Persecution

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 20 Jan 14 - 08:46 AM

and can be qualified by cut-'n-pastes, if that's what you wish

Yes please, but you will just come up with some pathetic reason not to.

You can't argue the issues, so you try to demonize me instead.
Unfortunately for you, I have never posted a bad thing.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 20 Jan 14 - 09:23 AM

the fact that for nearly a century a large part of the U.K. has been torn apart by bloody inter-religious dissension brought about by deliberate policy introduced by the British Government - "thread-drift" no doubt

Do you mean N.Ireland??
I do not remember any religious dimension to that debate.
It was entirely political.

Also it had a vast number of threads dedicated to it, and this is the one and only thread about religious persecution.

I strongly believe that that evil is worthy of a dedicated thread.
Why don't you?
Is it because almost the only current victims are Christians?

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Jan 14 - 09:25 AM

"Apocalypse Now"
"So close your eyes, stop your ears,
Close your mouth and never dare,
And if it happens here they'll never come for you
Because they'll know you really didn't care."
"but you will just come up with some pathetic reason not to."
I'll make a start when I get time - I always try to do what I promise
You can start looking for somebody to blame for having made you say it in the first place
You can stat with "All male Pakistanis are culturally implanted, then go on to your proposal to sell Assad riot control gear - both are well-established enough not to need links.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 20 Jan 14 - 09:32 AM

But what I actually said was, "I do now believe" what certain eminent Pakistani people were saying about the offending.
They said it came from their culture, and we are all influenced by that.

So, that one 3year old post is the most racist thing I have ever said, AND IT IS NOT RACIST!

Good start Jim.
Now how about " he is drawing his information from extremist racist sites,"

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Jan 14 - 10:15 AM

Been through that and established that nobody ever made such claim - doesn't matter how old it is - you continue to put it forward as your opinion - as you just have.
Seems the sale of riot equipment is going unchallenged and can be taken as read.
I had little doubt that you would continue lying to deny your apalling statements, but it's fun to watch you squirm.
Will push on - it all helps to allow you to expose yourself as the toe-rag you are - better look out some more patsies to hide behind
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 20 Jan 14 - 10:42 AM

nobody ever made such claim - doesn't matter how old it is - you continue to put it forward as your opinion - as you just have.

They all did claim it came from culture, and we are all influenced by our culture.
I have never, ever put it forward as my opinion.
I always said I did not know about that culture.
I just believed them, as I might a doctor's diagnosis or a weather forecast.
Not my opinion.

You can not make me out a racist over that, and you have been trying for 3 years!

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Jan 14 - 11:03 AM

Been there - done that - doesn't matter anyway - whoever said it would be inspiring genocidal provoking racism - you are still saying it.

Your responses to the fact that Britain had been exposed as selling weapons to Assad during his murderous Homs campaign, where his snipers were deliberately targeting children-in-arms in order to kill the mother by shooting through the child.
The snipers were holding bets for cigarettes for how many 'hits' they made.
You had this pointed out to you – here are some of your excuses
Would you like me to provide links to your claiming the white phosphorous used by Israeli troops in Palestine, to be 'harmless illumination' – along with the photographs of children burnt to the bone, of course?
Best wishes, Your ever respectful
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Homs horror
From: Keith A of Hertford - PM
Date: 11 Feb 12 - 03:15 PM

Even liberal democracies have to deal with riots.
Non-lethal crowd control techniques are preferrable to live rounds.
If only Syria would restrict its security forces to using tear gas and water.
It would not be such a crime to supply such things, compared to what Russia and China supplies.


Subject: RE: BS: Homs horror
From: Keith A of Hertford - PM
Date: 11 Feb 12 - 09:21 AM

But why do you ONLY criticise Britain?
Not Russia.
Not China.
Not Syria.
Britain is hardly in the same league.
You have clearly been searching vigorously, but all you have come up with is some sniper rifles.
The only other "weapons" supplied were armour plated buses, tear gas and water cannon.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 20 Jan 14 - 12:21 PM

When Keith refers to CAR as a Christian country or his UKIP mate in Oxfordshire calls UK a Christian country, the statement alone is persecution.

You have to get as far as chopping up children before he starts screaming liar! too.

The mask has slipped, the brain has flipped. Carrying on humouring him by debating could be construed as cruel.

Ok. Carry on

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 20 Jan 14 - 03:27 PM

Musket, Keith never referred to CAR as a Christian country.
That was a CAR citizen quoted in The Guardian.

No mask. No slippage.
And no UKIP mates. UKIP is nothing to me as you know.
No Muslim kids were chopped up and fed to pigs in Nigeria, or anywhere else.
You made it up Musket.
What a sick mind you must have.

Jim, those cut/pastes do not make me a bad person.
What is your point?

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Jan 14 - 03:44 PM

"Jim, those cut/pastes do not make me a bad person."
Are you insane enough to believe that
Plenty more where they come from
Do you want me to go on?
You sneered at me and suggested I would "just come up with some pathetic reason not to."
Now I'm really beginning to enjoy myself - and I've always hated blood-sports!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 20 Jan 14 - 03:59 PM

Jim, our countries have non-lethal crowd/riot control equipment.
Others use live ammunition on them.
I advocate all countries have access to non-lethal kit.
You would prefer they just gun people down, as Assad was actually doing?
That is more insane.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Jan 14 - 02:35 AM

Plenty more where they come from
Do you want me to go on?

Yes please.
Justify accusing me of "drawing his information from extremist racist sites, he has claimed an entire race as being culturally perverted and potential terrorists and over the years he has defended the mass murder of innocent refugees, the use of chemical weapons, starvation tactics causing the ill health and death of children..."

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Jan 14 - 03:04 AM

You're claiming facts from racist sites speaks from racist sites speaks for tiself - are you mad?
You are defending your staunch support for Boo boo's gatherings from Muslim Watch - what the hell is that other than support - or is that entirely Boo-Boo's fault?
You have supported the mass murder of Palestinian refugees by removig the blame from where it belongs and trying to shift it to other Muslims - Shias - support as far as I'm concerned.
You have openly and consistently supported the Israel's blockade of Palestine which has caused, ad is still causing ill health and death among Palestinian children (after what - it mist be nearly 8 years now)
I might have added that you have defended that Israel proposed the moving of an entire group of Bedouins onto a toxic site in order to make room for Israeli settlers - your argument - a land seeping with poisons and poisoning water supplies after years of dumping rubbish on it cannot be counted as "toxic" - sort of like phosphorus dropped on schools and hospitals which burn the faces off children (photographs supplied) aren't chemical weapons.
Then there's the use of toxic chemical spray used on Bedouin farmers, poisoning crops and people....
Your inhumanity appears to have no limits.   
"I advocate all countries have access to non-lethal kit."   
I really think that just about winds it up, don't you.
Proposing supplying Assad with riot control gear to quell riots and herd the rioters into his torture chambers - says it all really
Assad isn't "all countries" - he is a murderous animal who is in the process of murdering, torturing, maiming and displacing millions of Syrians - she should be supplied with nothing - he never should heven been.
Sorry - my stomach really isn't up for this - please go away - you are doing what I have been trying to do for some time now, and making a far better job of it than I ever could.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Jan 14 - 03:24 AM

You're claiming facts from racist sites speaks from racist sites speaks for tiself - are you mad?
You are defending your staunch support for Boo boo's gatherings from Muslim Watch - what the hell is that other than support

Completely untrue Jim, like the rest of your accusations.
When the list was posted, like you I was highly suspicious of it.
Like you, I checked its entries looking for untruths.
Like you, I was unable to find any.
Unlike you, I was honest about my findings.
You claimed to have found false entries, but would not or could not tell us which ones.
How could anyone believe that?

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Jan 14 - 03:28 AM

and can be qualified by cut-'n-pastes, if that's what you wish

Yes please.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Jan 14 - 03:53 AM

Musket and Troubadour, Reuters on CAR, 11 hours ago.

"The landlocked nation, impoverished for all its mineral reserves, descended into chaos when mainly Muslim rebels, known as Seleka, seized power in March.

Abuses by Seleka fighters triggered revenge attacks by Christian militia known as 'anti-balaka' (anti-machete), fuelling unprecedented violence between communities that had lived side-by-side."
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/20/us-centralafrican-idUSBREA0J0VT20140120?feedType=RSS

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 21 Jan 14 - 01:37 PM

Yes.

Your point?








(Your point is to claim others reckon only Christians hurt others, which is bollocks but no more bollocks than your defence of them every time someone points out it takes two to tango.)

This is nothing to do with imaginary friends. It is ethnic conflict, it is displaced people moving in conflict, it is conflict. The religious labels are merely convenient.





Perhaps It is boorish to keep pointing out that reading in papers or seeing on the telly may or may not reflect reality, but that doesn't make the viewer / listener a liar. You don't like it when I legitimately question your politics on the back of a post you wrote, so don't call me a liar on the back of lazy research on your part.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Jan 14 - 03:11 PM

Musket, on the 18th you challenged that sectarian violence in CAR is a recent phenomenon.

""The problems in CAR started only a few weeks ago."
Fuck me gently"

So I fucked you.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: GUEST,Troubadour
Date: 21 Jan 14 - 03:37 PM

"Abuses by Seleka forces had led to the creation of Christian self-defence militia and killings that evoked memories of Rwanda's genocide 20 years ago."

I take it that the genocide being the extermination of a Muslim minority, that's OK with you.

For K A of H two wrongs make a right as long as his preferred side is winning.

The extermination of a minority cannot even in the loosest sense be described as self defence and is indefensible no matter who is winning. The Christians involved are no better than those who attacked them.

IMO, had it not been for the cannibalism, the western press would have played this down and I believe that there are many more cases we just don't hear about.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: GUEST,Troubadour
Date: 21 Jan 14 - 03:48 PM

"just because I consider your equation of any form of persecution as being as menacing to the commonweal in its potential effects, & as being ∴ of equivalent virulence as any other, to be counter·productively & hyperbolically extreme?"

OK! So you believe that persecution is more, or less, reprehensible according to the degree of damage suffered.

So tell me this. At what point does it become serious enough for you to stop ignoring it and take notice?

Do you think that those who start small, if allowed to get away with it, will stop of their own accord?

Is the death of Mr Ebrahimi really of inferior import because it happened here, and not in the Middle East. I'm willing to bet he felt severely persecuted!

WHERE do YOU draw the line?

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Jan 14 - 05:46 PM

Troubadour, I do not know how I would react to the butchering with machetes of people I love, so I would not judge these people.

The cannibal had his pregnant wife, his sister, and her baby chopped up.

You have such experience Troubadour?

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Jan 14 - 08:09 PM

I do not know how I would react to the butchering with machetes of people I love

You DON'T? You're more pathetic than I thought!

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Jan 14 - 03:46 AM

reading in papers or seeing on the telly may or may not reflect reality, but that doesn't make the viewer / listener a liar. You don't like it when I legitimately question your politics on the back of a post you wrote, so don't call me a liar on the back of lazy research on your part.

It is not lazy research.
I searched extensively.
The incident you invented was so horrific that I know I would have remembered it.
That is what aroused my suspicion.
Not one person has claimed to remember the incident, and MtheGM specifically said he also had no memory of it.

You claim BBC broadcast it, but searches on their news site reveal no trace of any such incident.
I tried several news agencies as well as broad ranging Google searches.
There is no trace of such an incident on the internet.

That means it never happened.
The inescapable conclusion is that you made up a lurid fantasy atrocity to demonize a faith community you must really hate.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 22 Jan 14 - 04:30 AM

I doubt I hate many members of my friends and family. I doubt I hate the chaplaincy team I am responsible for and find funds for them to do their sterling work. I doubt I hate my wife's hobby of church bell ringing and the huge circle of friends we have from that.

I doubt I am anything that you have merrily suggested over the recent past.





Not too sure about you though. The more extreme my suggestion, the more you seem to go on to fit the stereotype.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Jan 14 - 04:39 AM

OK, but the incident you described never happened.
Why you lied is just my speculation, but you did lie.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Jan 14 - 05:56 AM

Still singing 'Banks of Denial' and nothing else I see Keith.
"I advocate all countries have access to non-lethal kit."
Your suggestion that it is ok to sell Assad riot control equipment has just been put into context by the announcement that 11,000 detainees in his torture chambers and jails have been murdered or disappeared.
Well done Keith - you and he appear to be doing a good job as far as Syria is concerned - keep up the good work.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 22 Jan 14 - 05:59 AM

No I didn't.





Cue Monty Python sketch regarding wanting an argument and just getting contradiction....

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Jan 14 - 06:04 AM

I do advocate that all countries should have such equipment.
Given not sold.
Why is it OK for us but not developing countries?

Plenty more where they come from
Do you want me to go on?

Yes please.
Justify accusing me of "drawing his information from extremist racist sites, he has claimed an entire race as being culturally perverted and potential terrorists and over the years he has defended the mass murder of innocent refugees, the use of chemical weapons, starvation tactics causing the ill health and death of children..."

Yes please, but you will just come up with some pathetic reason not to.
"infallible" (smug grin.)

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 22 Jan 14 - 06:09 AM

There comes a point in every long thread where controversy gives say to repetition gives way to ennui gives way to acute boredom gives way to just not worth even opening any more.

I hereby bow formally out of this thread,

~Michael~

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Jan 14 - 06:10 AM

No argument Musket.
You deny lying.
You always do.
You say it could be found but for my ineffective searching.
You find it then.

No-one can find or remember it.
It never happened.
A lie.
No argument.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 22 Jan 14 - 06:19 AM

I refer the honourable old soak to my reply in the thread immediately below this one (as of nowish)




Don't get excited Keith, I'm talking to Michael. Shaking my head slowly doesn't scan well in a thread, so no real answer to your rather silly observations.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Jan 14 - 03:05 PM

"I do advocate that all countries should have such equipment.
Given not sold.
Why is it OK for us but not developing countries?"
So you claim that it is ok to sell riot equipment to Assad - remembering that your comments came at the time he was massacring the citizens of Homs.
That'll d nicely thank you very much - pretty much a complete picture of your humanity
Why is it wrong to supply riot control equipment to regimes like the Syrian one?
"Your suggestion that it is ok to sell Assad riot control equipment has just been put into context by the announcement that 11,000 detainees in his torture chambers and jails have been murdered or disappeared."
Your moronic repetition of evidence of your drawing on extremist sites for your claims?
How's this for size, Blue Eyes
Jim Carroll

This is a list of targeted acts of terrorism on Christian civilians and church workers by religious Muslims since September 11th, 2001. These attacks have nothing to do with war, combat or insurgency. The victims are innocent Christians who were specifically targeted and abused solely on account of their faith by those who claim their own religion as a motive.

There may be a few anomalies on the list, as it is compiled by keyword search from our main database. Neither is this a complete account of Islamic terror attacks on Christians since much of the violence goes unreported.

(Last updated on Sunday, September 22, 2013)

Date         Country         City/State         Killed         Injured         Description
9/22/2013         Pakistan         Peshawar         61         110         Two Shahid suicide bombers obliterate over sixty worshippers at a church service.
9/14/2013         Pakistan         Karachi         1         0         A Christian's throat is slit on the street after being branded an 'infidel' and blasphemer.
9/13/2013         Tanzania         Zanzibar         0         1         Muslims throw acid on a priest, badly burning him.
9/12/2013         Egypt         Sahel Selim         2         0         Two Copts are shot to death for refusing to pay Jizya to Muslims.
9/8/2013         Syria         Maaloula         3         6         Three Christians are murdered in their home, and six others taken hostage by Islamists.
9/7/2013         Syria         Maaloula         3         0         At least three Christians are shot to death after declining an offer to embrace Islam.
9/4/2013         Syria         Maaloula         8         27         At least eight defenders are killed when Islamists storm a Christian village and shell a church.
9/4/2013         Syria         Maalula         1         0         Islamists slit the throat of a Christian for refusing to deny his faith, then taunt his fiancee.
9/3/2013         Nigeria         Gura Dabwam         3         1         Muslims gun down a devout Christian villager and his two teenage sons.
9/3/2013         Nigeria         Kunte-Kuru         6         0         A brutal assault by Muslim militia on the home of a Christian family leaves six members dead, including a 7-year-old child.
9/1/2013         Somalia         Beledweyne         1         1         A Christian woman is murdered in front of her child, in a targeted attack by Islamic radicals.
9/1/2013         Nigeria         Adu         9         3         Nine Christian villagers, including two children, are machine-gunned in their own homes by Muslim terrorists.
8/29/2013         Nigeria         Jos         5         0         Five Christians are ordered off a bus and summarily executed by Religion of Peace activists.
8/25/2013         Nigeria         Nasarawa         0         7         Thirty Muslims attack a church armed with knives and clubs.
8/18/2013         Egypt         Minya         2         0         Islamists butcher two security guards on a boat owned by Christians.
8/17/2013         Egypt         Minya         0         1         A Copt survives a brutal stabbing by Muslims while trying to put out a fire at a church.
8/17/2013         Syria         al-Hasn         15         24         Fifteen Christian villagers are reportedly massacred by Sunni terrorists.
8/17/2013         Syria         Homs         6         0         Six Christians are murdered by Sunni terrorists.
8/17/2013         Egypt         Sohag         1         0         A civilian is killed while trying to defend a church from the Muslim Brotherhood.
8/16/2013         Egypt         Alexandria         1         0         Muslim radicals pull a Christian taxi driver out of his cab and decapitate him.
8/15/2013         Egypt         Minya         2         48         Two Copts are killed and dozens more injured when Muslim Brotherhood supporters go on a church-burning rampage.
8/14/2013         Syria         Raqqa         1         0         An Italian priest is kidnapped and murdered by Islamists.
8/12/2013         Syria         Qusayr         1         0         A young Christian girl is reportedly raped, torture and murdered by Jihadis.
8/6/2013         Egypt         Ain Shams         1         0         A 10-year-old Christian girl is shot through the heart in front of her church by pro-Muslim Brotherhood activists.
8/6/2013         Syria         Jaramana         18         56         Islamists set off a powerful car bomb in a Christian suburb. At least eighteen people are slain.
8/6/2013         USA         Richmond, CA         1         0         A Muslim convert "on a mission from Allah" stabs a store clerk to death.
8/6/2013         Egypt         Souhag         1         3         Muslims attack a store owned by a Coptic family, shooting three members and kidnapping a fourth.
8/3/2013         Centrafrique         Bozoum         15         24         A baby is among at least fifteen Christian refugees massacred by the Seleka Islamic militia.
7/29/2013         Nigeria         Kano         45         15         Forty-five people lose their lives to Islamist bombers targeting Christian districts and churches.
7/27/2013         Pakistan         Okara         1         0         A Christian is beaten and executed in front of his children by Islamic gunmen.
7/15/2013         Pakistan         Quetta         1         0         Sipah-e-Sahaba terrorists kidnap and torture to death a former Sunni who converted to Shia.
7/12/2013         Egypt         Dabaaya         4         32         A Muslim bomb attacks a Christian village, burning dozens of homes and killing four Copts.
7/11/2013         Egypt         Zweid         1         0         A Christian is found beheaded several days after being kidnapped by Muslim extremists.
7/9/2013         Iraq         al-Tarmiyah         1         0         A Christian 'infidel' is kidnapped and executed by Muslim terrorists.
7/6/2013         Egypt         al-Arish         1         0         Islamic gunmen murder a Coptic priest.
7/5/2013         Egypt         Nagaa Hassan         4         4         Four Christians are brutally hacked to death by Muslim Brotherhood supporters.
7/5/2013         Pakistan         Islamabad         1         0         Islamic fundamentalists attack a local church, shooting one person to death.
7/2/2013         Nigeria         Borno         1         0         A Pentecostal pastor is gunned down by Boko Haram.
6/27/2013         Syria         Qatana         1         0         A Greek Orthodox priest is kidnapped and tortured to death by Religion of Peace proponents.
6/27/2013         Syria         Damascus         4         8         A suicide bomber detonates outside a church, killing four innocents.
6/27/2013         Syria         Idlib         2         0         Two Christians, including a priest, are reportedly kidnapped, bound and beheaded on video by Islamists.
6/25/2013         Iraq         Baghdad         0         2         Two guards are wounded when Muslims open fire on a Catholic church.
6/25/2013         Iraq         Baghdad         2         2         Islamists set off a bomb near a church, killing two people.
6/24/2013         Iraq         Baghdad         1         2         Jihadis bomb a Christian-owned store, killing a father of three.
6/23/2013         Syria         Idlib         1         0         A Catholic monk is beheaded Islamists for defending nuns.
6/18/2013         Nigeria         Bakin Rijiya         1         0         At least one resident is killed when Muslim terrorists attack a Christian village and burn four churches.
6/15/2013         Nigeria         Hwa�a         1         0         A pastor's throat is slit by Islamists upon refusal to convert.
6/11/2013         Pakistan         Sheikhupura         1         0         A Christian teen is tortured and killed on (false) suspicion of relations with a Muslim girl.
6/9/2013         Kenya         Mombasa         0         17         Islamists throw a grenade into a church during Sunday service, nearly killing a baby.
6/7/2013         Somalia         Jamaame         1         0         Islamists identify a Christian convert and publicly execute him.
6/6/2013         Bangladesh         Bolakipur         0         5         Muslim 'extremists' break in to a Catholic seminary and beat the rector and students 'with violence and brutality'.
6/2/2013         Tanzania         Geita         0         1         Religion of Peace activists enter the home of a Christian pastor and nearly hack him to death.
5/26/2013         Egypt         Cairo         1         0         Muslims abduct and kill a 6-year-old Coptic boy.
5/24/2013         Nigeria         Borno         1         0         Members of Boko Haram murder an elderly Christian woman in her home.
5/24/2013         Nigeria         Gwoza         2         0         A pastor and a church member are brutally slain by Islamist gunmen.
5/22/2013         Pakistan         Karachi         1         0         A Christian man is gunned down by two men in a targeted attack.
5/19/2013         Pakistan         Khushpur         1         3         Angry Muslims fire on a Christian village, killing a teenage student.
5/17/2013         Egypt         Alexandria         1         3         A Copt is killed during an assault by a Muslim bomb on a church.
5/15/2013         Nigeria         Maiduguri         1         0         Religion of Peace activists shoot a pastor to death in his home in front of his daughter.
5/5/2013         Nigeria         Njilan         10         0         Islamic extremists stage a Sunday morning attack on a church and a nearby cattle market, killing at least ten.
5/5/2013         Tanzania         Arusha         3         57         A 9-year-old child, a teenager and a woman bleed to death when a Muslim convert tosses a bomb into a church.
5/2/2013         Pakistan         Manghopir         2         2         Two watchmen are shot dead during an attack by the Taliban on a Belgian missionary school.
4/13/2013         Centrafrique         Bangui         1         0         A pastor is shot to death by Islamic militants at a funeral.
4/13/2013         Somalia         Buulodbarde         1         0         Islamists murder a Christian mother of five only four months after doing the same to her husband. Both were killed for leaving Islam.
4/11/2013         Egypt         Khusus         1         0         A 26-year-old Christian is doused with gasoline and set ablaze.
4/10/2013         India         Srinigar         0         9         Two children and five women are among nine Christians attacked in their home by a mob whipped into a frenzy by an imam.
4/9/2013         Nigeria         Gwoza         3         0         Islamists shoot three people in the head while they are playing cards, including a pastor's son.
4/7/2013         Egypt         Cairo         2         89         Muslim radicals attack a group of mourners leaving a church, killing one on the spot and another in subsequent clashes.
4/7/2013         Nigeria         Midlu Shalmi         14         5         Muslim radicals shoot, hack and slit the throats of fouteen Christians.
4/6/2013         Egypt         Khusus         7         17         Angry Muslims torch a church and kill seven Christians over alleged desecration.
4/4/2013         Pakistan         Manga Mandi         1         0         A 20-year-old Christian is shot in the head by Muslims calling their religion 'supreme'.
4/3/2013         Tanzania         Tunduma         2         3         Two Christians are murdered by Muslim extremists for selling non-halal meat.
4/3/2013         Pakistan         Gujranwala         0         18         Eighteen Christians are injured by a Muslim mob whipped into a frenzy by a cleric.
3/31/2013         Nigeria         Ataka         19         12         Muslim 'nomads' attack a Christian village, butchering nineteen people, including women and children.
3/28/2013         Nigeria         Barkin Ladi         9         3         Nine Christians are machine-gunned during a Muslim raid on their village.
3/26/2013         Nigeria         Riyom         36         12         Fulani 'militia' attack two Christian villages, hacking and shooting three dozen to death.
3/24/2013         USA         Ashtabula, OH         1         0         A Muslim convert walks into a church service with a Quran and guns down his Christian father while praising Allah.
3/23/2013         Somalia         Bulo Marer         0         1         A Christian convert is jailed and tortured for leaving Islam.
3/23/2013         Egypt         Cairo         0         1         Muslim Brotherhood cadres abduct a Christian and take him to a mosque for a brutal round of torture.
3/18/2013         Pakistan         Kalaswala         0         1         A Christian missionary is severely beaten by Muslim extremists.
3/18/2013         Nigeria         Kano         41         44         Over 40 Christians are blown to bits by Shahid suicide car bombers in a brutal attack.
3/17/2013         Nigeria         Torok         2         3         A Muslim fires on a Christian family, killing a baby and a 5-year-old and injuring three women.
3/14/2013         USA         Vancouver, WA         0         2         Two people suffer knife injuries when a Muslim convert attempts to stab a non-Muslim to death over religious views outside a coffee shop.
3/10/2013         Nigeria         Dakata         5         3         Five Christians are shot to death by Islamic extremists while returning home from church.
3/10/2013         Nigeria         Jama'are         7         0         Ansaru Islamists summarily execute seven 'Christian' hostages.
3/10/2013         Libya         Benghazi         1         0         A Christian arrested by Islamists for 'proselytizing' dies from 'natural causes' while being tortured.
3/9/2013         Pakistan         Lahore         0         35         A Muslim mob rampages through a Christian neighborhood, burning more than 100 homes and injuring three dozen.
3/2/2013         Tanzania         Dar Es Salaam         0         1         An Islamist attempt to hack a church bishop to death is thwarted by a guard who suffers horrific injuries.
3/2/2013         Egypt         Cairo         3         0         Three Christian brothers are machine-gunned in their home by Islamists angered over a church-building rumor.
3/2/2013         Libya         Benghazi         0         11         A priest and ten parishoners are beaten and humiliated in their own church by Muslim activists.
3/1/2013         Egypt         Kom Ombo         0         23         Muslims firebomb a church on a false rumor of a conversion.
2/24/2013         Nigeria         Fika         5         3         Islamists rampage through a Christian village, killing five people in attacks that included a church.
2/23/2013         Nigeria         Aduwan         5         11         A baby and a 13-year-old are among five innocents slain when Muslim extremists rake churches with machine-gun fire.
2/23/2013         Nigeria         Abuja         17         1         Fundamentalists storm a factory, separate Christian from Muslim workers and then murder seventeen of the former in cold blood.
2/23/2013         Egypt         Alexandria         5         0         Islamists murder four Christians and a guard outside a church.
2/22/2013         Nigeria         Kogom         10         2         Fulani Muslims hack ten Christian family members to death including five small children.
2/19/2013         Cameroon         Lake Chad         2         1         Two Christian converts are lined up and shot to death for leaving Islam.
2/18/2013         Somalia         Alanley         1         0         A 42-year-old Christian teacher and father of four is brutally executed by al-Shabaab outside his home.
2/18/2013         Netherlands         Brabant         1         0         Islamists are suspected in the murder of a Christian convert from Iran.
2/17/2013         Tanzania         Zanzibar         1         0         A priest is murdered by Muslim extremists on his way to church.
2/16/2013         Pakistan         Lahore         1         0         A 45-year-old Christian is murdered in cold blood by a Muslim arguing religion.
2/11/2013         Tanzania         Buseresere         1         0         A pastor is beheaded by a group of Muslim youth.
2/8/2013         Pakistan         Pattoki         0         3         Three Christian women are beaten and tortured by a Muslim mob in their own home.
2/7/2013         USA         Buena Vista, NJ         2         0         A Muslim targets and beheads two Christian Coptic immigrants.
2/7/2013         Kenya         Garissa         1         1         Islamists shoot two Christian pastors, killing one.
2/4/2013         Pakistan         Chaman         1         0         A Christian dies after being shot five times by Muslims angry that he would not embrace Islam.
2/1/2013         Nigeria         Samunaka         15         1         Islamists attack and burn three churches, killing at least fifteen innocents, including two children.
2/1/2013         Egypt         Alexandria         0         1         A Christian woman is stabbed on the street by Muslim hardliners.
1/28/2013         Turkey         Istanbul         1         0         An 85-year-old Christian woman is stabbed to death by an attacker who then carves a cross on her body.
1/16/2013         Nigeria         Jos         4         2         Four Christians are the victims of a Muslim drive-by.
1/16/2013         Algeria         Tigantourine         2         6         Armed Islamists attack an oil field, killing two people they identified as Christians and kidnapping over a hundred workers.
1/15/2013         Norway         Haugesund         0         2         A Muslim stabs two Christians who converted from Islam.
1/9/2013         Pakistan         Bahawalpur         1         0         Muslim stab a 19-year-old Christian to death for seeing a Muslim girl.
1/8/2013         Iraq         Mosul         1         12         A car bomb at a supermarket in a Christian area kills a medical student.
1/7/2013         Iraq         Mosul         1         0         A female Christian teacher's throat is cut by dedicated Muslims.
12/31/2012         Syria         Ras al-Ayn         1         0         A pregnant Christian woman is left widowed after her husband is beheaded by Islamic radicals and fed to dogs.
12/30/2012         Nigeria         Kyachi         15         0         Islamists invade a church service on Sunday morning, tie up fifteen worshippers and execute them. (Follows similar attack elsewhere two days earlier).
12/30/2012         Libya         Misrata         2         2         Islamists toss a hand grenade at worshippers leaving a Coptic church, killing two.
12/30/2012         Pakistan         Ittehad Chowk         1         1         Gunmen fire at two Christian brothers in a targeted attack. One later dies of injuries.
12/28/2012         Nigeria         Musari         15         0         Islamists tie up fifteen women and children inside a church, then slit their throats while shouting praises to Allah.
12/28/2012         Turkey         Samatya         1         0         An 84-year-old Christian woman is stabbed to death by a Muslim in what is called a 'racist' attack.
12/27/2012         Pakistan         Quetta         1         0         A Christian girl is shot execution style through the head.
12/26/2012         Sudan         Buram         4         0         A 70-year-old woman and two children are among four Christians killed in an Islamic bomb attack.
12/26/2012         Nigeria         Bachit         5         0         Suspected Fulani murder three villagers, including a married couple, in attacks on two Christian homes.
12/25/2012         Pakistan         Iqbal         0         12         At least a dozen Christian men, women and children s are set on with guns and iron rods by a Muslim mob outside their church.
12/25/2012         Tanzania         Zanzibar City         0         1         A Catholic priest is shot in the chest by Muslim gunmen.
12/25/2012         Nigeria         Peri         6         4         A pastor and five worshippers are slaughtered in a Religion of Peace attack on a Christmas morning church service.
12/25/2012         Nigeria         Rim         1         0         A Christian is killed in his home by Fulani gunmen in front of his family.
12/24/2012         Nigeria         Maiduguri         6         0         Six people are killed in a Christmas Eve church attack by Religion of Peace gunmen.
12/18/2012         Sudan         Eire         5         1         Two 4-year-olds and a baby are among a Christian family of five killed in an Islamic bombing.
12/8/2012         Somalia         Beledweyne         1         0         Religion of Peace activists shoot 55-year-old Christian to death for leaving Islam.
12/6/2012         Nigeria         Yankaba         2         0         Two Christian teenagers are executed by gunmen on a motorcycle yelling, 'Allah akbar'.
12/3/2012         Pakistan         Lahore         1         0         A 72-year-old female Christian charity worker is shot in the neck by suspected Islamists.
12/2/2012         Nigeria         Chibok         10         0         Religion of Peace proponents invade a Christian village in the middle of the night and massacre ten residents.
12/1/2012         Nigeria         Gamboru Ngala         2         0         Two guards die when Muslims shouting 'Allah Akbar' burn churches.
11/25/2012         Nigeria         Jaji         15         30         Two suicide bombers massacre fifteen worshippers at a Protestant church.
11/22/2012         Nigeria         Bichi         4         2         Angry Muslims riot, burn churches and kills four Christians over a rumor of blasphemy concerning a t-shirt.
11/18/2012         Nigeria         Maiduguri         1         0         An 70-year-old retired Protestant pastor is executed in cold blood by Islamic extremists.
11/17/2012         Sudan         South Kordofan         3         3         Three Christian villagers are killed in two targeted bombing attacks by the Islamic republic.
11/16/2012         Syria         Aleppo         20         60         Sunnis detonate a bomb outside an Orthodox church that leaves at least twenty dead.
11/16/2012         Somalia         Barawa         1         0         A Christian convert is beheaded for leaving the Religion of Peace.
11/16/2012         Nigeria         Maiduguri         3         0         Three Christian traders are shot to death by Boko Haram.
11/15/2012         Nigeria         Madauchi-Zonkwa         5         0         Muslim radicals are suspected in the slaughter and burning of a Christian family in their home.
11/10/2012         Nigeria         Gaidam         5         0         Five Christian iron welders are slaughtered in their own home by Boko Haram gunmen.
11/4/2012         Kenya         Garissa         1         10         One person dies from splinter injuries when Islamists toss a grenade at a church.
10/30/2012         Syria         Homs         1         0         An 84-year-old Christian is murdered by Sunnis.
10/28/2012         Syria         Jaramana         12         69         Twelve people outside a bakery in a Christian district are exterminated in a targeted bomb attack.
10/28/2012         Egypt         Cairo         0         5         Five Christians are injured by Muslims trying to block their way into church.
10/28/2012         Sudan         Delami         1         9         The Islamic Republic of Sudan aerial bombs several Christian villages, killing a 1-year-old baby.
10/28/2012         Nigeria         Kaduna         7         100         Seven worshippers are murdered when a suicide car bomber plows into a Catholic church during mass.
10/27/2012         Syria         Deir Ezzor         5         24         Terrorists set off a car bomb in front of a church, killing five innocents.
10/25/2012         Syria         Qatana         1         0         An Orthodox priest is horribly tortured and murdered by Muslim 'criminals'. His eyes were gouged out.
10/21/2012         Syria         Damascus         13         29         A bomb targeting Christians on their way to church leaves thirteen dead.
10/21/2012         Nigeria         Atagara         2         0         Two people are killed when Islamic radicals torch a church.
10/19/2012         Lebanon         Beirut         8         78         A car bomb blast in a Christian suburb leaves eight dead, including children.
10/16/2012         Indonesia         Masani         2         0         Jamaah Anshorut Tauhid murder two investigators of a church bombing by stabbing them in the neck.
10/14/2012         Nigeria         Yogbo         30         0         Thirty people are left dead when Muslims resolve a "land dispute" by massacring thirty Christian villagers, mostly women and children.
10/14/2012         Egypt         Abdelmassih         2         3         Two members of a Christian family are shot to death in their own home by a Muslim gang attempting to kidnap and convert a 24-year-old female relative.
10/14/2012         Nigeria         Maiduguri         3         0         A family of three is cut down outside their church by Islamist gunmen.
10/10/2012         Nigeria         Riyom         14         5         Three children and their mother are among over a dozen Christians are slaughtered during a Muslim raid on their village.
10/10/2012         Nigeria         Dallyam         4         4         Muslim terrorists shoot four members of a Christian

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Jan 14 - 05:59 PM

When I suggested supplying Assad with non-lethal equipment, he was shooting down demonstrators with lethal weapons and ammunition supplied by Russia and China.
I do not understand why you think lethal is preferable.

It is not acceptable to shoot our people, but it is OK for others?

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Jan 14 - 12:36 AM

And, I got that list from Mudcat, not any "extremist" or "hate" site.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Jan 14 - 12:44 AM

No post of mine contains that list anyway.
I just referred to it as posted on Mudcat.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Musket
Date: 23 Jan 14 - 04:15 AM

Sorry Keith, but posting is posting. If I used the term "we" I would make it perfectly clear I was quoting, just as you usually do. So when you fail to do so, it makes it less clear whether you mean us or them when you say we.

Us being whatever you want it to mean and them being whatever you want them to mean.

You didn't perchance read Lewis Carroll books as a child did you?

Just wondering.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Jan 14 - 05:39 AM

"And, I got that list from Mudcat, not any "extremist" or "hate" site."
That is the list you have been defending as "having checked and not finding anything wrong"
That is the list from which the five examples (all found incorrect) you put up.
Surely you're not going to blame little Boo Boo?
Nothing on selling riot equipment to Assad I see.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Jan 14 - 06:00 AM

I have not "been defending" any list.

When the list was posted, like you I was highly suspicious of it.
Like you, I checked its entries looking for untruths.
Like you, I was unable to find any.

Unlike you, I was honest about my findings.
You claimed to have found false entries, but would not tell us which ones.

How could anyone believe that?

You accused me of "drawing his information from extremist racist sites,"
You try to discredit me with lies because you can not challenge what I actually say.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Jan 14 - 06:06 AM

Re my advocacy that all countries should have access to non-lethal gear (given not sold).
Previous discussion.

"I stated that non-lethal is preferable to lethal.
Disagree Jim?
I also suggested that supplying non-lethal equipment, to a regime that ALREADY HAS copious quantities of lethal weapons, and willing suppliers of more, would do no harm and might do some good.

State clearly why you disagree and why it makes me an imbecile Jim?

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Subject: RE: BS: Homs horror
From: Jim Carroll - PM
Date: 14 Mar 12 - 07:12 AM

"Disagree Jim?"
OF COURSE I ******* DO"

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: GUEST,Troubadour
Date: 23 Jan 14 - 09:59 AM

"Troubadour, I do not know how I would react to the butchering with machetes of people I love, so I would not judge these people.

The cannibal had his pregnant wife, his sister, and her baby chopped up."

Thank you K A, for stepping right into the clarts.

When a Christian kills a Muslim, you quite rightly look at the individual case to find reasons OTHER than religion which were part of what caused his action.

When Muslims attack or kill Christians, you KNOW that there is no other reason than religion.

Your double standards are horribly exposed.

And NO! I have no such experiences, and neither do you, so if that disqualifies me from having an opinion, same for YOU TOO!

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Jan 14 - 11:23 AM

Seleka had been massacring Christians. Thousands fled their homes.

I deplore the Christians seeking revenge and carrying out reprisals for the brutal murders inflicted on them.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Jan 14 - 11:29 AM

""I stated that non-lethal is preferable to lethal."
Imbecile sums it up
Whether or not other nations supply Assad with anything Britain should not supply any equipment to a murderous regime, especially not that which can be used to quash opposition and enable the Syrian authorities to round up the troublemakers and ship them off to their torture chambers as has obviously happened.
Assad's record on human rights has been known for at least a decade before the present troubles broke out - despite this the British Government continued supplying weapons and riot control equipment
Trading military equipment with murderous dictators not only gives them the wherewithal to murder and control the opposition - but it also gives them the kudos that comes with trading with the west.
Defectors from Assad's regime have pointed out how much he values his links with Britain - by trading, Britain has not only supported him in his terrorism, but it has retained those links, rather an breaking it as an act of opposition (which was being called for by his opponents.
Nioot forgetting, of course, that the chemicals that were sold by Britain helped him to create a stockpile of chemical weapons.
"would do no harm and might do some good."
Have go gone completely out of your ******* mind???
Yes you have been defending that list
You claimed from the beginning it was true and challenged us to disprove those claims
You produced half a dozen that you claimed proved your case (every single one flawed) and went on defending them after these flaws had been pointed out
Want me to cut-'n-paste all this or would you rather crawl up this thread and see for yourself?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Jan 14 - 11:43 AM

We know why the Christians formed their own militia and carried out reprisals.(That is not to condone the crimes.)

I know of no reason why the Islamists made unprovoked attacks on the Christians, except that they were Christians.
None has been reported.
Do you know of any?

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Jan 14 - 11:48 AM

Yes you have been defending that list
You claimed from the beginning it was true and challenged us to disprove those claims

No. I did not accept any of it, until I made checks.

You produced half a dozen that you claimed proved your case (every single one flawed) and went on defending them after these flaws had been pointed out

No flaws have been pointed out.
I only posted two that I checked this week.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Jan 14 - 12:54 PM

"No. I did not accept any of it, until I made checks."
So you now accept it?
"No flaws have been pointed out."
Now you are openly lying - which is fine by me
Can we have a little more on your continuing proposal to sell Assad riot control equipment please?
Jim Carroll


Date: 17 Jan 14 - 03:04 PM
Had a quick shufi through the first five items on Keith's list
1   All information from this comes from extremist web-sites
2   Police blame either terrorists or criminal gangs - no arrests, no definite suspects
3   Nothing
4   All information from extremist websites
5   Syrian rebels fighting Assad - nothing whatever to do with sectarian persecution, part of the Syrian revolt - all residents fled - no fatalities.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Jan 14 - 12:54 PM

"No. I did not accept any of it, until I made checks."
So you now accept it?
"No flaws have been pointed out."
Now you are openly lying - which is fine by me
Can we have a little more on your continuing proposal to sell Assad riot control equipment please?
Jim Carroll


Date: 17 Jan 14 - 03:04 PM
Had a quick shufi through the first five items on Keith's list
1   All information from this comes from extremist web-sites
2   Police blame either terrorists or criminal gangs - no arrests, no definite suspects
3   Nothing
4   All information from extremist websites
5   Syrian rebels fighting Assad - nothing whatever to do with sectarian persecution, part of the Syrian revolt - all residents fled - no fatalities.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Jan 14 - 01:09 PM

Please be going on with these while I sort the test out -you lyoing, stupid toe-rag
Jim Carroll

"All the items I checked were correct, and neither you nor anyone else was able to find one single false entry"

"I recognised some entries, and checked a few I did not recognise.
I found no false entries, and would be very surprised if you have.
I find it hard to believe.
Help me out by identifying a false entry, because you have been known to make stuff up.
What reason could you possibly have to withhold information that would make Bobad and me look silly?"

"Like you, I checked its entries looking for untruths.
Like you, I was unable to find any.
Unlike you, I was honest about my findings.
You claimed to have found false entries, but would not or could not tell us which ones.
How could anyone believe that?"

"Jim, I challenged you to identify a single incident that was not true.
All the ones I checked were, and I remembered many more.
I do not think the list was untrue, whoever published it."

"I have checked through many and also remember many of the incidents."

"Jim, I have no reasons why you should believe this list or anything else.
That is why I checked it myself.
It checks out.
Sorry, but it does, and I know you have also checked.
It hardly matters where it came from if it is true.
Neither of us can find a single fault with it, so what is your objection?"

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Jan 14 - 02:49 PM

That is not supporting, that is checking because I had doubts.

You have not identified any incident that you think did not happen.

Re non-lethal kit.
Assad was already using his plentiful supply of guns and bullets on his people.
How could giving him non-lethal kit make things worse?
Maybe some lives might be saved.
I think all regimes, however bad, should at least have access to water squirters etc.
Guns and bullets they already have.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Jan 14 - 03:10 PM

That is not supporting, that is checking because I had doubts."

"Jim, I have no reasons why you should believe this list or anything else.
That is why I checked it myself.
It checks out.
Sorry, but it does, and I know you have also checked.
It hardly matters where it came from if it is true.
Neither of us can find a single fault with it, so what is your objection?"

You checked it and kept supporting it - this is your quote - or is someone pulling your stunt of posting in a fake identity
I'm delighted that you are still defending supplying riot control gear to Assad - when do you reckon the next batch is due to be shipped from Britain - when the dust settles after their having sold him chemicals for his chemical weapons arsenal
Keep it coming Keith and keep on lying - as the an from Tesco said "every little helps".
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Jan 14 - 05:53 PM

I do not lie remember.
Believing non-lethal kit is better than using real guns and live rounds on people does not make me bad.

I did not support the list.
I doubted it and tested it.
It is not my fault it turned out to be true.
Neither of us could find any fault, so you support it as much as me.