BS: Christian Persecution

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Dec 13 - 04:03 AM

No interest in Christians persecuting children - why am I not surprised?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Dec 13 - 08:58 AM

No wonder rational people dismiss superstition and shake their heads at the hypocritical idiots.

Nelson Mandela?
Martin Luther King?
John F Kennedy?
Obama?

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 15 Dec 13 - 09:34 AM

Fascinating. You reckon that by pointing out hypocrisy I am dismissing everyone with faith ?

That is self persecution and you being a Christian and all that, you may wish to add yourself to your tally you are knocking up.

The world leaders you mention don't have a track record of pushing their faith down the throats of others. Their faith is or was a) personal and b) vote worthy.

What's your excuse ?

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Dec 13 - 09:41 AM

.The world leaders you mention don't have a track record of pushing their faith down the throats of others

Neither do I?

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: GUEST,Musket once more into the britches
Date: 15 Dec 13 - 11:25 AM

Since when were you a headmaster or world leader? I know they reckon the trade is dumbing down but let's be reasonable here. My asking your excuse was that I spoke of those who ram superstition down the throats of others. You came up with a list of those who don't or didn't so I asked your excuse for raising it. Twat.

I love how you reckon it's all about you. We were discussing faith schools getting the contract for state provision and how weak politicians are too scared to remind them of their obligations to take on children regardless of which or none imaginary friend their parents subscribe to.

Why are you asking about you? Are you putting yourself on a list of world leaders now? We ascertained your faith a while ago. You have belief but don't believe, or however you reconcile fantasy with reality.

Oh, you also waffled on about atheist parents lying. I don't recall mentioning atheists. I said rational people who don't go in for delusion or imaginary friends. Sorry to split hairs but that does not make one an atheist. Rejection of theism is atheist, if you understand language construction. Seeing religion as somebody else's hobby but not yours is not atheism, it is, if it needs a term, irreligious.

Whether God botherers like it or not, faith schools cannot push their superstition down the throats of children and cannot reject applications on the basis of rational parents.

But they do.

Christian and Muslim ones do.

And you reckon parents refusing to join in with this illegal charade are in the wrong?

Here's that ball, now please run along for once and play with it.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Dec 13 - 11:37 AM

Your previous post was actually directed at me.
The final sentence was quite specific.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Dec 13 - 11:59 AM

All religions persecute given the opportunity
It appears when that Christians persecute children because of their being of the wrong religion (or even just not following the particular custom of that religion) - it is not worthy of comment, let alone condemnation.
Hypocrisy rules OK
"Neither do I?"
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Elmore
Date: 15 Dec 13 - 12:17 PM

Feels like the Christians are persecuting the atheists here in the States in order to further their conservative decidedly non-Christian agenda.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Dec 13 - 12:28 PM

I hoped and intended this thread to be about the kind of persecution that drives whole communities to extinction by murder and torture and terror.

I can not stop these people hijacking it for their own purposes.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: bobad
Date: 15 Dec 13 - 01:24 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Elmore - PM
Date: 15 Dec 13 - 12:17 PM

"Feels like the Christians are persecuting the atheists here in the States in order to further their conservative decidedly non-Christian agenda."

So why don't you start your own thread about this instead of trying to hijack a thread that is about the persecution of Christians?

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 15 Dec 13 - 01:46 PM

Dear bobad,

There is a thread called Christian persecution. Many posters pointed out that the persecution was based on being a large minority in the cases mentioned. Further, that Christian based communities are susceptible to such persecution due to implied association with drone bombs, western ideals and other non deity based factors.

Some, Keith A Hole of Hertford particularly seem to reckon it is being Christian rather than being different that counts. Others refuted such a pompous idea.

So, the thread ended weeks ago.

Perpetuation is based on pointing out that persecution is a two edged blade and that the word is not owned by pogroms, massacre or other atrocities. Persecution has many fronts and some have patiently tried to point out that bleating by western safe Christians whilst slowly trying to inflict their superstition on others isn't welcomed.

Yours sincerely,

Reality.


And now a word from our sponsor, Musket Enterprises:

"This is good time of the year to persecute Western Christians. Timber yards cannot shift stock as DIY enthusiasts stay indoors, so timber and large nails are cheap to purchase.

Much cheaper than getting a licence for keeping lions anyway."

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Dec 13 - 01:52 PM

They even make jokes about the suffering and death of innocent, helpless people, and choose to do it on this thread.
They could start one of their own, but hijacking this one suits their purposes better.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Dec 13 - 02:05 PM

"I hoped and intended this thread to be about the kind of persecution that drives whole communities to extinction by murder and torture and terror."
Whattyu mean is you hoped for another chance to take a pop at Muslims and leave Christian persecution of children uncommented on.
Life's not liek that unfortunately - religious persecution is persecution, whoever carries it out.
Stop manipulating topics because you are too much of a hypocrite to admit that persecution goes hand-in-hand with religion
You cannot hope to discuss persecution without allowing free discussion on all its aspects - especially it's causes - otherwise all discussion becomes an exercise of fingerpointing - a form of persecution in itself
Would you care to comment on the persecution of children by the world's largest and most powerful Christian church - no - I thought not
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Elmore
Date: 15 Dec 13 - 02:14 PM

Hell, I don't know. Seems to me the term "Christian Persecution" is ambiguous, and represents the fuzzy thinking characteristic of the initiator of the thread. Ergo, I have the right to address it as I see fit. Why don't one of you militant Christians start a new thread titled Persecution of Christians? Have to go now, and trim the Christmas tree.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: bobad
Date: 15 Dec 13 - 02:34 PM

You goddamn well know the intent of this thread and are just trying to make cute with your "ambiguous" bullshit. And your little ploy of labeling me a "militant Christian" when I am not even a Christian, is borrowed straight out of the playbook of your fellow infantile posters who resort to name calling when they know they have lost the debate.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Dec 13 - 02:51 PM

I hoped and intended this thread to be about the kind of persecution that drives whole communities to extinction by murder and torture and terror.

I can not stop these people hijacking it for their own purposes.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Dec 13 - 03:11 PM

"I have the right to address it as I see fit."
It is utter nonsense to discuss the persecution of any religion without being able to discuss the causes of religious persecution as a whole.
It is totally unprecedented that any members of this forum should take it upon themselves to prevent any aspect of the subject - Big Brother gone mad.
These threads should never be controlled in order to make them wailing walls to display signs of grief, without discussing the causes of that grief.
They should never be allowed to be soapboxes for inter-religious/race hate as they have often been in the hands of certain individuals.
Yes Boo-boo, we do know what certain people would like the intent of this thread to be - it doesn't work like that.
All religious persecution is evil - so is staying silent one form of persecution and attempting to censor any discussion on it, while deliberately using one form of persecution to persecute those of a different faith.
"Christian Persecution" by its very title has to include persecution by Christians.
Someone will be suggesting that Muslims persecute because Christians because of "cultural implants" - good heavens, what is the world coming to!!!
Don'tsuppose you'd like to have another bash at telling us your thoughts on the Christian Church persecuting children - (some of them Christian children included)
You "lost the battle" (if there is such a thing on a debating form) when you exposed your hypocrisy in refusing to respond to religious persecution because the persecutors were not your target - no other reason.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Elmore
Date: 15 Dec 13 - 03:13 PM

Not a Christian Bobad? Guess they wouldn't have you either. How can I miss you if you won't go away? Merry Christmas anyhow.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Dec 13 - 03:59 PM

you exposed your hypocrisy in refusing to respond to religious persecution because the persecutors were not your target
Lie.
No-one has done that.

I have refused to respond when the "persecution" is not the kind of persecution that drives whole communities to extinction by murder and torture and terror, but something in an entirely different category.

Something worthy of discussion, but not what this thread is about.
Why won't you start a dedicated thread?
Why must you hijack this one?
What is your agenda, in case we have not guessed.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Dec 13 - 04:44 PM

"No-one has done that."
Yes - you have done that on every thread where Islam has been the subject
You turned a thread entitled Muslim persecution", which started out to draw attentiong to a statement that prejudice against Muslig has now become an acceptible form of bigotry, into a blatent attack on Muslims - including describing them as being "culturally implanted" towards having sex with underage girls.
This thread is about whatever those participating in it choose to make it within the subject, which is "Christian persecution" - to attempt to interfere with that right is blatant censorship.
Stop it, or I shall request that you be prevented with the democratic rights of Mudcat members.
My "agenda" is to put all forms of eligious persecution into context - we all know what your is.
top interfering or piss off
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 16 Dec 13 - 01:35 AM

Ok. Disagreeing with Keith A Hole of Hertford is hijacking a thread eh?

Pointing out reasons other than the little baby Jesus as an excuse for the atrocities is drifting off thread eh?

Tell you what Keith. Start a thread with your take on it and then ask the mud elves to close it. Far easier than having your delusions shattered and your pomposity deflated.

Taking the piss out of pious buggers here is somehow disrespectful to people suffering by association elsewhere ? Your God certainly seems to have been made in your image.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Dec 13 - 02:12 AM

No. Not what I am saying at all.

I think that the disappearance of thousands of years old communities through persecution is worthy of a thread.
I also think that the issues you raise are, but there is no comparison.

You could start a thread.
You don't because you seek to destroy this one.
You do not want its subject to be discussed so you get together and swamp it with other issues.
That is real censorship.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Dec 13 - 02:52 AM

China.
http://news.sky.com/story/1182848/chinas-illegal-detention-of-christian-pastor

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Dec 13 - 03:08 AM

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4065/september-horror-christians-islam

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Dec 13 - 04:44 AM

"No. Not what I am saying at all."
It's exactly what you are saying
You have no right to demand that anybody stick to your line of discussion because it doesn't suit your agenda.
Considering all aspects of persecution - especially its causes, is an important part of these discussions.
Putting persecution in context of wholesale persecution by the Christian Churches puts religious persecution exactly where it is - the abuse of religious influence that can be connected to religions throughout the world - the Christian church included.
You have been warned about jack-booting your way through these threads because they raise uncomfortable truths before now - stop it.
You want to see religious persecution up close - take a look at some of the Islamophobic garbage on this forum - including your own - you might make a start with your 'Muslim Prejudice' saga which contains views that have led to deprivation of human rights, long-term persecution - even death - of law-abiding Muslims living in Britain.
You want Christian persecution - if you can't be arsed with children deprived of education because they weren't baptised into the Christian church,try the countless children who have been raped and abused by Christian clergymen - probably over the centuries - try Googling "Christian Brothers abuse" for an update.
Then of course, there's the women who have to go abroad to have pregnancies terminated or are let die because of medieval religion -influenced laws.
Or homosexuals deprived of their human rights and cast out of society as 'disease carriers' and 'perverts' - again, largely because of church influence (Christian and Muslim churches b.t.w.).   
The fact that this aspect of "Christian Persecution" is of no interest to you whatever and has no part in this discussion, according to you,       says what needs to be said about you and everybody who shares your repressive extremist outlook on life.
Now - let everybody have their say on all these matters if you're not interested.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Dec 13 - 05:26 AM

You have no right to demand that anybody stick to your line of discussion because it doesn't suit your agenda.

Correct, but I have the right to decline to join in the hijacking of this thread.

You have every right to join with your mates and swamp this thread with posts on other issues.
You could choose to start new threads and allow this thread to deal with its issue, but that is not your agenda.

You want this discussion stopped.
Fascist bullies.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 16 Dec 13 - 05:35 AM

No. I for one don't wIsh to stop any discussion. But you have to decide whether you want to discuss reality or bollocks.

With the huge numbers of people being persecuted in the world for their creed, colour, race or association, there is a huge problem. A number of people, myself included, posted to question the wisdom of concentrating on one group identifier. Yes, it is the most published and counted. Yes, they have an affinity with many Western people.

But persecution because of a technicality of Christianity as opposed to any other belief?

That's what you were saying earlier and that is when I stopped taking this thread seriously. It doesn't need hijacking as it is built on false premise in the first place. You insisted on exploring why so many people identified as Christians are being persecuted yet when reasons are proposed, you throw your toys out of the pram.

The real me doesn't shoot from the hip like this. I sincerely hope you are a nicer person too.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Dec 13 - 06:01 AM

I would be happy to discuss and deplore that kind of persecution of whatever group, not just Christian.
The kind of persecution that drives whole communities to extinction by murder and torture and terror.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Dec 13 - 06:51 AM

"Correct, but I have the right to decline to join in the hijacking of this thread."
You have no right to describe the discussion of persecution by Christians as "hijacking" - it isn't and it is pure prejudiced lying to do so.
Most forms of religion persecute and cause misery and death to believers and non-believers alike, and to make a special case for one or the other is only to exacerbate that situation.
Religious persecution will continue while it is drilled into people from birth and is allowed to in any way to influence the secular governance of countries.
Until the teaching and following of every religion is made a decision by all people it will continue to be what it is - a threat to our peace and well-being.
While it is taught as fact and remains part of our law and decision making of countries throughout the world people will continue to kill and die for their particular brand of belief.
Refusing to allow discussion of that fact is, as I have said, persecution in itself.
Stop manipulating threads and censoring discussion and stop using this forum as your own personal possession to soapbox your bigotry and intolerance.
You don't want to discuss persecution by Christians, fine, we'll come to our own conclusions about your motives for refusing to do so and let know what we come up with, if that's all right by you!!!
Hard not to notice that discussing persecution by Christians only became a problem when you painted yourself into yet another corner
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Dec 13 - 06:51 AM

"Correct, but I have the right to decline to join in the hijacking of this thread."
You have no right to describe the discussion of persecution by Christians as "hijacking" - it isn't and it is pure prejudiced lying to do so.
Most forms of religion persecute and cause misery and death to believers and non-believers alike, and to make a special case for one or the other is only to exacerbate that situation.
Religious persecution will continue while it is drilled into people from birth and is allowed to in any way to influence the secular governance of countries.
Until the teaching and following of every religion is made a decision by all people it will continue to be what it is - a threat to our peace and well-being.
While it is taught as fact and remains part of our law and decision making of countries throughout the world people will continue to kill and die for their particular brand of belief.
Refusing to allow discussion of that fact is, as I have said, persecution in itself.
Stop manipulating threads and censoring discussion and stop using this forum as your own personal possession to soapbox your bigotry and intolerance.
You don't want to discuss persecution by Christians, fine, we'll come to our own conclusions about your motives for refusing to do so and let know what we come up with, if that's all right by you!!!
Hard not to notice that discussing persecution by Christians only became a problem when you painted yourself into yet another corner
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Dec 13 - 07:44 AM

I make no special case, except for the kind of persecution I hoped this to be about.
The kind of persecution that drives whole communities to extinction by murder and torture and terror.

The lesser kinds of persecution you are demanding to include have been discussed on many other threads.

This is the only thread of its kind.
Why can you not reopen an existing thread or start a new one?

Because your agenda is the prevention of this discussion.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Elmore
Date: 16 Dec 13 - 09:28 AM

Never mind the hijacking of the thread. Think about killing the thread. the topic, "Christian Persecution", (whatever that means) may be important, but the the thread itself is not sacrosanct, and has been around long enough to beat a herd of dead horses. Give it a decent burial.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: bobad
Date: 16 Dec 13 - 09:36 AM

Elmore, why don't you create your own forum then you can have control over whatever topic you would like to see discussed and can end those you no longer wish to see.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 16 Dec 13 - 09:36 AM

Can't decide whether to offer it a Christian burial or not.

The children in an Islamic School in Nigeria the other year weren't given a choice. They were cut up and fed to pigs.

I would have mentioned them before but Keith insists this is about Christians being persecuted rather than persecuting.

You see, if you insist on identifying victims by religious tag, you have to be comfortable with identifying perpetrators by religious tags too. Identifying them by the reason they are being persecuted rather than the excuse why leads to far better clarity.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Dec 13 - 09:53 AM

I would have mentioned them before but Keith insists this is about Christians being persecuted rather than persecuting.

I have said exactly the opposite.
I welcome any discussion of extreme persecution.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Dec 13 - 10:04 AM

I can not find any report of an incident like the one you described Musket.
This one perhaps?

The so-called Yelwa massacre was actually a series of related incidents of mass violence between Muslims and Christians which took place in Yelwa, Nigeria between February and May 2004 killing over 700 people.[1] The first incident in the series occurred on 4 February 2004 when armed Muslims attacked the Christians of Yelwa killing more than 78 Christians including at least 48 who were worshipping inside a church compound.[1] According to some sources, the signal for the attack was a call for Jihad from the local mosque.[2]
The February killings inflamed tensions between the communities which had simmered since the 2001 Jos riots when conflict between Muslims and Christians resulted in 1,000 dead. On 2 May 2004 local Christians responded to the February incident by attacking Muslims in Yelwa resulting in roughly 630 dead.[1] According to some sources, Muslim girls were forced to eat pork and other foods forbidden to Muslims and some were even raped.[2]

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Elmore
Date: 16 Dec 13 - 10:48 AM

Good morning Bobad. I have the right to express myself here,even if it meets with your disapproval. Only a fool would deny that persecution of and by Christians is evil. However, it feels to me that this(almost) three year discussion has become counterproductive. Perhaps I'm being contrary by attacking the thread and contributing (?) to it.Regards, Elmore.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Elmore
Date: 16 Dec 13 - 11:01 AM

So Keith claims to be concerned about all forms of persecution. A few miles from me, in North Carolina people who call themselves Christians are doing everything possible to suppress voting by black citizens. This is a right people fought and died for. Is that severe enough? Why don't we kick that around for a while?

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Dec 13 - 11:19 AM

I will join you in deploring that if true, but not here.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Dec 13 - 11:32 AM

"Why can you not reopen an existing thread or start a new one?"
Why should we - you've taken over enough threads about the killing of soldiers, or the persecution of Muslims and turned them into Islamaphobic diatribes
If we can't discuss the reasons for religious persecution in its full context, what on earth do you expect to get out of a discussion like this other than to make it another round in your Muslim bashing campaign?
Nobody is denying that Christians are being persecuted, you seem to be avoiding that fact that this persecution is part of amillenia old religious war in which nobody comes out with clean hands.
That Christians are getting the shitty end of the stick at present, doesn't main that they haven't done the same in the past and to a lesser extent are still doing it, sometimes to extreme excess (isn't the systematic rape of children extreme enough for you?)
Religion brings with it the high risk, probability even, of persecution.
Unless that fact is discussed and fully recognised that risk/probability will remain.
You have never been backward in pointing out the failings and excesses of others in order to defend your particular flavour-of-the-month - Israeli terrorism is ok because others do it, it's ok for Britain to sell arms and chemical weapons to human rights abusers because everybody does it.....
Surely the root causes are infinitely more important than individual cases (unless you happen to have a particular agenda - perish the thought!!)
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: GUEST,Troubadour
Date: 16 Dec 13 - 11:50 AM

"You could start a thread.
You don't because you seek to destroy this one.
You do not want its subject to be discussed so you get together and swamp it with other issues."

Wrong as usual!

The attitudes and petty discriminations of the Christian religions are pertinent inasmuch as they go some way toward explaining just why Muslims and many others dislike them so much.

You can't simply assume that persecution happens without reasons. The roots of such are inextricably bound up in past and present actions.

I would also remind Bobad that Jesus was a Jew, just in case he has forgotten, who lived in a country where Jews, Arabs and even Romans lived fairly peacefully side by side.

If the church which was set up in his name by people who never knew him had taken in his ideas and followed them, the Middle East would now be a haven of peace and tranquility.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Dec 13 - 11:54 AM

Fascinating discussion here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_violence
Jim Carroll
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_violence
By the way – there is little doubt that this subject is being used as an Islamophobic rant at present – little Boo-boo has provided to enormous cut-'n-pastes from openly Islamophobic fascist sites and Keith has said he has no doubt that all the facts provided (from these openly Islamophobic fascist sites) are true.
So there you go.... long spoons when dining with the Devil and all that

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Dec 13 - 12:32 PM

Jim, I challenged you to identify a single incident that was not true.
All the ones I checked were, and I remembered many more.
I do not think the list was untrue, whoever published it.

Troubadore you seem to be saying that the Christians may deserve to be massacred and driven out of their ancestral homes.
Is that right?
And you were kidding about Jews, Arabs and even Romans lived fairly peacefully side by side, right?

Jim.
you seem to be avoiding that fact that this persecution is part of a millenia old religious war in which nobody comes out with clean hands.
No.
Christian communities are disappearing now after two thousand years of coexistence.
That is happening to no-one else, though it already happened to many Jewish communities.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Elmore
Date: 16 Dec 13 - 01:51 PM

Once again this thread has seduced me. I'm not sure why. I was about to launch into a diatribe about The Catholic Church's role in disturbing the peace between the Muslims and Jews in 15th century Spain, but thankfully realized it was pointless to do so. So, I'm out of here. I know I'll be missed. (not!) Nobody bullied me out. Those with whom I agree are far more eloquent than I. Regards, Elmore.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Dec 13 - 02:43 PM

"Jim, I challenged you to identify a single incident that was not true."
And I defy you to prove that all of the many hundreds he put up that are true - you gave all of them your unqualified support - prove it.
"I do not think the list was untrue, whoever published it."
If any censorship is necessary on forums like this it is that which gives credence to extremist fascist groups such as the ones you are supporting here - these are self-declared and extremely (no accident in using that word) Islamophobic sites and would be illegal in the governable world.
Boo-boo has used White Power sites before now in his Islamophobic crusade
"Christian communities are disappearing now after two thousand years of coexistence."
Age old religions, some far older than Christianity, disappeared without trace under the British Empire - that's exactly what one religion does to the others when it has any say in the matter - goes with the territory.
As late as my schooldays we were still singing hymns claiming that to belong to religions other than Christianity was to be "in error's chain".
Wars were/are still fought "with God on our side".
"though it already happened to many Jewish communities."
And Israelis are driving out Palestinians to make room for Jewish settlements - and oppressing, starving and killing people in ordoer to do so - that's exactly what one religion does to the others when it has any say in the matter - goes with the territory.
Israel is now being described, by Jews and non-Jews alike, as "the Apartheid State"
"Troubadore you seem to be saying that the Christians may deserve to be massacred and driven out of their ancestral homes."
He/she is saying no such thing - just pointing out the tit-for-tat nature of all religions - that's how I read it anyway.
You are the only one supporting religious intolerance and persecution here by attempting to suppress and censor discussion on Christian behaviour towards believers and non-believers alike.
Any chance of your stopping deliberately misrepresenting other people's arguments just for a short time at least - c'mon, It's nearly Christmas - season of goodwill to all men.
"I know I'll be missed. (not!)"
I'll miss you Elmore, for the breath of fresh air if nothing else.
If your decision is irreversible - have a good Christmas.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Dec 13 - 03:12 PM

By the way - just for the record, the cases from Boo-boo's extremist
information list give little, if any evidence that the vast majority of them were "religious persecution" incidents and not just involving Christians who were living in Muslim countries - there is no evidence whatever that these were crimes of "Christian persecution".
If I, an atheist, was attacked by a crowd of thugs who happened to be Christians, would that be Christian persecution.
Want to look up how many crimes against blacks by white criminals have ben rejected as "racist" by the police
So if you have other information - please present it.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Dec 13 - 05:41 PM

By the way - just for the record, the cases from Boo-boo's extremist
information list give little, if any evidence that the vast majority of them were "religious persecution" incidents and not just involving Christians who were living in Muslim countries - there is no evidence whatever that these were crimes of "Christian persecution".

That is bollocks Jim.
The fact is that you were completely unable to find one single item on that list that was not true.
Neither was I.

I now challenge you to find one item on that list that was not a crime of persecution of Christians.

You just spout shit and bollocks.
Go on.
Find one item on that list that is not what is claimed.
I will ask you for your progress in two days and then in seven days.
Or, just admit now that you are just spouting shit and bollocks.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: ollaimh
Date: 16 Dec 13 - 10:03 PM

sweet jesus, I pray on my knees, please persecute the Christians, they are destroying the world, lord save us from Christians!

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Dec 13 - 04:05 AM

It is not my job to find anything to be untrue - particularly from a fascist website - it is the job of the sicko who supports such organisations by spreading their propaganda to validate their/his claims.
You claim to have known about the incidents - give us your information.
The claims are vague to say the least and virtually untraceable - there is not a shred of evidence to make them 'crimes of persecution - if they took place at all.
You want to spread this garbage - you validate it.
I said that there was a danger of opening this forum up to racist and sectarian bigots :
"If any censorship is necessary on forums like this it is that which gives credence to extremist fascist groups such as the ones you are supporting here - these are self-declared and extremely (no accident in using that word) Islamophobic sites and would be illegal in the governable world."
That is exactly what you and Boo-boo have done here by presenting openly Islamophobic propaganda from a site that does not pretend to do anything else.
I remember it being claimed at the time of fall of the Shah that there was a danger of the world entering into a holy war - that is exactly what has happened, not just by fanatical Muslims, but by Christians and by the Israeli regime, all desperately fighting for the souls of humanity and going to extremist lengths to do so.
You have made this forum part of that war with your partisan support for Israel and your virulent hatred of all Muslims (with their "cultural implants").
Prove your fascist garbage or leave it in the sewer it rightly came from.
Stop making this forum a cultural hate site.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 17 Dec 13 - 04:15 AM

So you give up straight away.
I can produce as many as you like from that list that is a true example of persecution.
Jim Carrol, despite raising the issue and making accusations, CAN NOT FIND A SINGLE ONE.

Good job Jim.