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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 28 Jul 10 - 11:39 AM Bobert: "The left isn't playing these games at all... Sometimes I wish they would,,,..." Bobert, oh my dear Bobert, you are being just a little naive, don't you think? ....and Charlie Rangle is up for 'meritus honesty?' Promised Transparency is what motivated this . You actually think the left doesn't lie??????????????????????????/ Go mow your yard....and pick up the trash, yourself! but I still love ya'! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Sawzaw Date: 28 Jul 10 - 03:03 PM Bobert's nasty, mean spirited, bigoted rant against Fox has no resemblance to reality. [But Sawz, what's new about that?] Why? all of the frenzy and firing went on before Fox aired anything. And how did fox alter a video that was already on the net? Bobert's favorite left wing pinko rag does not even mention Fox News's involvement. He watches Maddow, Olberman, Mr Ed and Matthews and repeats whatever they say. It's easier than studying all the facts and making an independent decision. Also being able to separate facts from propaganda helps. He will also try to blame it on the Tea Party and any other straw man logical fallacy he can dream up. Washington Post Sunday, July 25, 2010 Remember that old adage that the secretary of agriculture should be seen but not heard? (You know that one, right? Tom Vilsack broke that rule this week with his dismissal of, doubling down on dismissal of, apology to and attempted rehiring of (it reads like the 12 stages of grief) a midlevel Department of Agriculture employee named Shirley Sherrod. The story -- in short -- goes like this. On Monday, conservative commentator Andrew Breitbart posted on his Web site a video featuring Sherrod, the department's director of rural development in Georgia, making comments about her reluctance to aid a white farmer because of his race. Sherrod, who is black, was quickly asked to step aside by Vilsack, who said the episode complicated his attempts to "turn the page on the sordid civil rights record at USDA." But facts are pesky things. As the story evolved, it became clear that Sherrod's comments were taken badly out of context -- she was using the tale of her initial hesitation to help the farmer decades ago, long before she joined the USDA, to make a broader point about race and class -- and that Vilsack (and just about everyone else in Washington) had condemned Sherrod wrongly. By midweek, the White House was in full mea culpa mode, with press secretary Robert Gibbs (last week's Worst Week winner) telling reporters that "a disservice was done, an apology was owed." Adding to the surreal nature of the saga: Sherrod was watching Gibbs's news conference live on CNN. Following Gibbs's lead, Vilsack put himself up for a public flogging, acknowledging that he "could have and should have done a better job" and expressing "profound regret" to Sherrod, to whom he offered a new position with the USDA. (Sherrod has yet to say whether she will accept the gig, despite chatting with President Obama about it on Thursday.) And, just when Vilsack had humbled himself as much as anyone thought he could, Obama decided to humble him some more. In an interview with ABC, Obama said Vilsack had "jumped the gun" in the Sherrod incident. "We have to take our time and think these issues through," the president admonished. Ouch. Tom Vilsack, for trying to put out a fire that wasn't even lit, you got burned. And you had the Worst Week in Washington. Congrats, or something. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 28 Jul 10 - 03:32 PM Sawzaw: "....Tom Vilsack, for trying to put out a fire that wasn't even lit, you got burned. And you had the Worst Week in Washington. Congrats, or something." Perhaps, Tom Vilsack should resign...along with the clown who appointed him!!!! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: mousethief Date: 28 Jul 10 - 04:28 PM Actually Beck acted comparatively decently in this case. Maybe he's turning over a new leaf? I'm not holding my breath or anything. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Greg F. Date: 28 Jul 10 - 07:17 PM Actually Beck acted comparatively decently in this case He didn't mean to- heck, everyone's entitled to screw up now and again. Don't worry, he'll be back to his old self soon. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Joe Offer Date: 28 Jul 10 - 07:41 PM nasty, mean spirited, bigoted rant against Fox Geesum H. Cripes. (that's what My Boss the Nun says, and she thinks she's being very daring...) Pretty soon, I'm going to start getting complaints, demanding that I remove personal attacks against Fox. Sorry, but I can't work up much sympathy for Fox. I think they're evil. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Ebbie Date: 28 Jul 10 - 09:09 PM Joe, you da man. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 29 Jul 10 - 01:28 AM Joe Offer: "that's what My Boss the Nun says, and she thinks she's being very daring...) Pretty soon, I'm going to start getting complaints, demanding that I remove personal attacks against Fox." You mean a nun wouldn't want to attack Fox, herself??? a nun?? attack Fox????? ...Why?? What were you thinking???? Oh...well ..maybe....... GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Amos Date: 29 Jul 10 - 02:58 PM "(CNN) -- Former Agriculture Department employee Shirley Sherrod said Thursday she will pursue a lawsuit against conservative blogger Andrew Breitbart. Breitbart posted an edited video clip of Sherrod appearing to say she discriminated against a white farmer looking for assistance. The clip showed her addressing a chapter of the NAACP. "I will definitely do it," she said when asked whether she was considering legal action. Sherrod made her remarks during an appearance at the National Association of Black Journalists convention in San Diego, California. Breitbart "had to know that he was targeting me," Sherrod said. "At this point, he hasn't apologized. I don't want it at this point, and he'll definitely hear from me." Video: Will black farmers get their due? Video: Coulter defends Breitbart Video: Sherrod reunites with white family RELATED TOPICS Shirley Sherrod Andrew Breitbart U.S. Department of Agriculture Breitbart did not immediately respond to a request for comment. He has said he released the Sherrod video because he believes it shows the NAACP itself tolerates racist behavior within its ranks -- an accusation that came after the civil rights group made a similar charge against the conservative Tea Party movement. "This was not about Shirley Sherrod," Breitbart told CNN's John King. Brent Bozell, head of the conservative Media Research Center, said Thursday Sherrod was the one who needed to apologize. "Andrew Breitbart is going to be fine. He's done nothing wrong," Bozell said. "I wonder if Ms. Sherrod, who is such a champion of transparency, will publicly disclose who is putting her up to this. And I also hope this champion of honesty will stop lying about Fox News," which has been accused of pushing the story before full details emerged, he said. "I'm also waiting for Ms. Sherrod to publicly apologize for accusing anyone opposed to nationalized healthcare of being racist," Bozell said. "Last time I checked, that was more than half the country." The controversy surrounding the clip led to a rush to judgment and Sherrod's forced resignation. However, it was later determined that her speech, unedited, focused on how the incident changed her outlook and made her realize people should move beyond race. The incident occurred 24 years ago, before Sherrod began working for the USDA. She received an official apology from the USDA and a phone call from President Barack Obama once the full text of her remarks came to light. Sherrod has since been offered another position at the Agriculture Department. Obama said earlier Thursday that Sherrod "deserves better than what happened last week." Speaking at a National Urban League conference in Washington, Obama called the claim of racism against her "bogus." "Many are to blame" for the reaction that followed, he said, "including my own administration."..." Manfully said and owned up to; the kind of acknowledgement his predecessor was incapable of. I hope Breibart hemhorrages at law. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 29 Jul 10 - 07:47 PM Tell ya what, Saw... You keep on referrin' to me as a "bigot" and I'll hunt yer lieing ass down and put a whup on... I've warned you before and I'm just not going to allow you to refer me to a bigot... Do you understand??? If not then you will... Serious business here... I will not be called a bigot by you or anyone... You can call me a commie... A socialist... A tree hugger... But not a bigot!!! Get it??? I'll put my life's work up agsint yours in fighting racism, sexisma and all the other "isms"... You wnat to get transparent here and talk about what gives you a right to call me a bigot then let's get it on... Until then??? Take that word bigot and stuff it up yer cyber stalking posterior!!! Got it yet... We're not going to have this talk again... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 29 Jul 10 - 08:03 PM Sorry, GfS... First things first but... ... I ain't alkin' about one misfit here or there in one side or the other even if it seems the right has certainly provided alot of misfits over the last couple years but... ...that ain't the point... The point is that the left flat out doesn't thave the corporate backing that the right does and for good reason... The left sees the corporatist as cheaters, liars and thieves... That's just the reality here because they are just that so when we try to get meaningfull heath care reform we're going up limitless resources... Ya' know how the Tea Party came about, don't you... Google up "Dick Armies lobbiest" and it's all there... Freedom Now is bpought and paid for with corporate money... I mean, the BIGASS bucks... Throw in the coprorate lap dog, FOX, and the left won't ever be competetive in the PR game... I mean, like not even in the same league... And unfortunately, PR is the entire game these days... I mean, the left can frame an ssue brilently and the right can spend BIG bucks, concoct a bunch of lies and American loses... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 29 Jul 10 - 11:56 PM Bobert: "...that ain't the point... The point is that the left flat out doesn't thave the corporate backing that the right does and for good reason... The left sees the corporatist as cheaters, liars and thieves..." Here's how I see it, and this is the way it is, as far as 'right' and 'left'................ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMAIsqvTh7g So Sincerely! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 29 Jul 10 - 11:57 PM Bobert: "...that ain't the point... The point is that the left flat out doesn't thave the corporate backing that the right does and for good reason... The left sees the corporatist as cheaters, liars and thieves..." Here's how I see it, and this is the way it is, as far as 'right' and 'left'................ The reality of it !!!! So Sincerely! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 30 Jul 10 - 08:34 AM Always liked that song, GfS... BTW, didja see me resonator thread up top in highbrowburg??? B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 30 Jul 10 - 11:43 AM HUH?...."BTW, didja see me resonator thread up top in highbrowburg???" I didn't understand that. GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 30 Jul 10 - 12:02 PM Well seems that some folks below the line ain't like, ahhhhh, musicans, GfS... So I was just wonderin' if you, being a fellow musican, had seen my thread about gettin' my resonator tweeked... Ain't no hidden meanin'... I mean, if ya' read the thread backwards it don't read "Kill Righties" 'er nuthin'... *grin*... B;~) |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Sawzaw Date: 31 Jul 10 - 09:05 AM Dear Bobert: Please give us the definition of a bigot. Maybe I have the wrong idea of what constitutes bigotry. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 31 Jul 10 - 10:46 AM A bigot is someone who hates and /or is prejudicial toward other groups of people based on their race, ethnicity, gender or sexual preference... That takes care of all the "isms"... Bias is not the same as bigotry... That is bigotry in a nut shell and the is among the three words that find most offensive... The other two are "nigger" and "God D***" though all can be used in the proper context, thoough it is very tricky... I mean, when I was a jail house teacher in Richmond City jail I was abouty the only white face in the tier where I held class and my students, all black, would refer to each other as "nigga" like folks call each other "man" as in "hey, man, what's happening"... Well, I had been teaching just long enough for those guys to get to know me real well and feel cofortable with me and then I became "nigga", as well, to them... That is what is meant by context... This website has certain boundaries and there are certain things that just cross that boundary when it become "personalized"... Lots of stuff doesn't that perhaps should... Callin' other specific members liars is rather over the line, as well... It doesn't mean that those terms are out of bounds entirely, like the black students callin' me "nigga" but things should be done within the confines of the boundaries that most folks here fully understand... I mean, I could give you a list of a hundred offendsive sounding labels and terms that you or anyone could put on me... I mean, anything that Spawzer has ever written I could live with... Commie, treehugger, socialist, asshole, buttface, etc. are all okay in my book... "Bigot" is not and alot of it has to do with my own struggles in my life to pull myself outta the culture I grew up in where terms andf labels were routinely put on groups of people based on the baove list... Part of it is that my parents brought a black kid into our family when I was a teenager who was like my brother... Part of it is being arrested twice in civil rights marches... Part of it going to DC to work in the Poor People's Campaine (Tent City), or working with drug addicts in the inner city of Richmond, ot living in a rural; area that was predominently black and those folks were my firneds and neighbors, part of it was having a couple very strong women jack my conscousness up on sexism, or having one of my best friends die of AIDS, or spending so much time in Mississippi learning blues licks off ol' black blues players... So, I have not only talked the talk but walked the walk when it comes to wipin' out the "isms" that everyone of my generation was subjected to... Reckon that's why "bigot" is not only persoanlly insulting to me but downright incorrect... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Ebbie Date: 31 Jul 10 - 11:48 AM Bob, I am proud to know you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Sawzaw Date: 31 Jul 10 - 12:18 PM "Throw in the coprorate lap dog, FOX" Hmmm. Could MSNBC, the "news" organization, the main attack dog against Fox, be the corporate lapdog of the administration? 82% of MSNBC is owned by General Electric Corporation. What does GE do? "General Electric is one of the world's most diverse companies, dabbling in virtually every industry under the sun. Among other things, it manufactures aircraft engines, locomotives, household appliances, light bulbs and plastics. It builds and operates nuclear reactors, while its consumer finance arm ranks as one of the biggest financial services companies in the nation. GE is also the parent company of the NBC television network. With so many subsidiaries offering so many different products and services, it's no surprise that GE keeps close watch over everything Congress does, from defense appropriations to campaign finance legislation and its effects on broadcasters." Defense, Finance, Energy, Broadcasting, Healthcare Who does GE support with their campaign contributions? "the left flat out doesn't thave the corporate backing that the right does" 2010 Democrats $1,097,423 63% - Republicans $651,413 37% 2008 Democrats $2,241,527 66% - Republicans $1,167,584 34% Top Recipients from GE: 2008 Obama, Barack $508,030 Clinton, Hillary $166,121 McCain, John $98,072 Dodd, Chris $63,200 2010 Portman, Rob $54,760 Dodd, Chris $45,100 Himes, Jim $36,550 Neal, Richard E $34,500 On August 4, 2009 the SEC fined General Electric $50 million for breaking accounting rules in two separate cases, misleading investors into believing GE would meet or beat earnings expectations. "The left sees the corporatist as cheaters, liars and thieves" But CEO Jeffry Immelt has been on the President's Economic Recovery Advisory Board sinfce it was created February 6, 2009 One of the highest spenders on lobbying last quarter was General Electric. Along with its subsidiaries, General Electric spent more than $9.5 million on federal lobbying between April and June -- the most it has incurred in lobbying expenses while Obama has been in office. Since January, General Electric and its subsidiaries has spent more than $17.6 million on lobbying -- an increase of 50 percent more than what it spent during the first six months of 2009. Lobbying expenses: 2008 $18,660,000 2009 $25,520,000 2010 $17,824,000 so far Remember Mr Obama's promise? "I know these steps won't sit well with the special interests and lobbyists who are invested in the old way of doing business, and I know they're gearing up for a fight as we speak. My message to them is this: So am I. The system we have now might work for the powerful and well-connected interests that have run Washington for far too long, but I don't. I work for the American people. I didn't come here to do the same thing we've been doing or to take small steps forward, I came to provide the sweeping change that this country demanded when it went to the polls in November." The lobbyists have more control and are spending more than ever. That's the change. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Sawzaw Date: 31 Jul 10 - 12:35 PM A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices. The correct use of the term requires the elements of irrationality, intolerance, and animosity toward those of differing beliefs. It is not limited to race, ethnicity and gender. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Amos Date: 31 Jul 10 - 01:33 PM Sawz: Your post draws a distorted and unjustifiable conclusion. Obama did more in his first quarter in office than any Republilcan Administration has ever done to reduce the access of lobbyists to the Administration of the executive branch. Why do you so doggedly leave so much of the story out when you write this crap? A |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 31 Jul 10 - 01:34 PM Well, then I guess using your defination, Saws, then everyone is a bigot in some manner... I mean, folks who thought that it was wrong for Hitler to exterminate the Jews in WW II would be, in your defination, bigots because they refused to accept Hitlers opinion that killing Jews was okay??? Is that correct... Were the allies all bigits for not agreeing with Hitler??? A simple yes of no will do just fine... Ebbie, You know I'm proud to know you, too... And I know also that you know alot about intolerance from yer upbringing... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Sawzaw Date: 31 Jul 10 - 02:25 PM "Obama did more in his first quarter in office than any Republilcan Administration has ever done to reduce the access of lobbyists to the Administration of the executive branch." How so? Obama said he was going to eliminate it. Did he eliminate it? No, it has increased. What did the Republican Administrations promise in regards to reducing lobbying? Why did you leave that part out? If they promised something and did not deliver then your argument would be comparable to the unkept Obama promise. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Sawzaw Date: 31 Jul 10 - 02:33 PM Another irrational and illogical analogy by Bobert: "bigots because they refused to accept Hitlers opinion that killing Jews was okay???" Being against Hitlers bigoted attempt to kill Jews was not bigotry. It was anti-bigotry, against bigotry. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 31 Jul 10 - 02:39 PM Bobert: "A bigot is someone who hates and /or is prejudicial toward other groups of people based on their race, ethnicity, gender or sexual preference... That takes care of all the "isms"..." I guess that doesn't apply to very many on here...when it comes to 'Conservat-ISM' So I guess the bigotry cuts both ways....but only due to the propaganda machines, that some so unknowingly subscribe too...unawares, I'm sure... Sawzaw, I agree with your post, though I don't have any supporting or non-supporting EXACT figures....but it should be noted, that BOTH sides are on the dole...more than the concerns of representing their electorate. But politicians money can buy! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 31 Jul 10 - 04:32 PM Bottom line, Saws, my argument isn't at all illogical... You said that a bigot is some one who is intolerant of others ideas... No meantion was made in your definaition as to ehether or not those ideas were moral... You stopped right there... I think your definition is illogical beacuse it makes eveyone and anyone a bogot on some level and waters down the harshness ot the word... So to Hitler we were th bigots and to the rest of the word he was... I mean, if you were to take the argumkents that you have put forth here and the ones that I have to 10 debate teachers I'd bet that at least 9 of them would say that you have put forth the least convincin' argument that becasue I disagree with you that I am somehow a bigot... But lets just put the academics aside fir a minute... Seein' as you now have at least my functional definition of a "bigot" it would behove you to take that litttle ballgamne outta yer repetoire when arguing/debating with me or anyone else here... To many of us who have lived round and seen what real bigotry is it is a repulsive, anti-social term that only a cheater trying to score points would use... And, guess what??? I'd be willing to bet that 90% of them people here don't like you using that term as well in tregards to people with whom who don't agree... So, back to my original statement: Don't use that crap on me here ever again... Period!!! Yo, GfS... You can put yer Nadar/2000 handbook away... That dog doesn't hunt these days... Except for closet Repubs who are trying to convince people that they are actually, ahhhh, independents... Lotta ya'll out there, BTW... Actually I gotta laugh when I read these moronish letters to the editor written by people who say they are Dems and then go on to sing the Repub company fight song at the top of their lungs... Yeah, lotta them, too, out there... Hahahaha... Oh ya'll really fooled us... Yeah, right??? Wouldn't fool me if I'd been dead for a week... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: mousethief Date: 31 Jul 10 - 05:45 PM Posting how much GE gives to which party doesn't disprove Bobert's claim that the Dems receive less largesse from Big Biz than the Reps. It just shows they receive more from GE. There are other companies besides GE. And don't find some other company that gives more to the Dems than the Reps -- that too doesn't prove anything. What we need are numbers of ALL contributions of ALL business to the two parties. Until we see that, showing us that GE gives more to Dems than to Reps is meaningless. And not a little stupid, or if not, treats us as if we were stupid. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Sawzaw Date: 01 Aug 10 - 03:30 PM Bobert the troll: "Fox edited the speech" Bullshit. Someone is out of touch with reality and they are bigoted in regards to Fox News. #1 How did Fox alter something that was already on the internet? They can't and didn't #2 All of the frenzy and firing or quitting or whatever occured before Fox aired anything. #3. Glen Beck, whom I don't care for, actually I can't stand: On PBS:Sherrod went from being the villain of the piece to a figure drawing great empathy from millions, not the least of which was conservative talk show host Glen Beck. PBS Bobert, got that? PBS #4 Sheppard Smith declined to run anything because: We here at Studio B did not run the video and did not reference the story in any way for many reasons, among them: we didn't know who shot it, we didn't know when it was shot, we didn't know the context of the statement, and because of the history of the videos on the site where it was posted, in short we do not and did not trust the source. 5# Even Fox News Host Bill O'Reilly apologized when it became apparent that the video he aired on his show (after she was fired, not before) was incomplete and that Sherrod was telling a story of personal growth, not bigotry. However these facts will not deter the out of touch person from trying make other people believe his private version of reality and making personal attacks on anyone that disagrees. Also the out of touch person will not respond directly to any questions. He runs like pigs from a gun. But he gets all hot and bothered when someone does not answer his questions: "She absolutely refuses to answer straight up questions... She runs like "pigs from a gun" and then plays her little games bynot answering the questions" |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Amos Date: 01 Aug 10 - 03:54 PM Sawz: I think you would be wiser to direct your antsy antagonism toward Briebart, the asshole who created the false story. What do you think? Full-bore intentional manufacture of false realities in order to create political wedges is probably not very ethical, don't you agree? A |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 01 Aug 10 - 04:57 PM He doesn't care, Amos... Ya' see, Saws is a Repub opeartive who get paid to twist, distort and fabricate... That's in with the Repubs these days 'cause they really don't know what else to do... I mean, they don't have any real plans for the country so this is what we are gettin' from them... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 01 Aug 10 - 05:47 PM Bobert: 'He doesn't care, Amos... Ya' see, Saws is a Repub opeartive who get paid to twist, distort and fabricate... That's in with the Repubs these days 'cause they really don't know what else to do... I mean, they don't have any real plans for the country so this is what we are gettin' from them...' Bobert,..(Clears throat)...ummm isn't that what you just described as your definition of 'Bigotry'??? Here, let me refresh you memory..."Bobert: "A bigot is someone who hates and /or is prejudicial toward other groups of people based on their race, ethnicity, gender or sexual preference... That takes care of all the "isms"..." I think you're putting your 'political stance' ahead of your compassion for your fellow man. That, in itself, is self defeating, and can be a dangerous mindset to be sucked into!! Just think about it...I'm on your side, as a fellow human, and a musician! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Sawzaw Date: 01 Aug 10 - 07:34 PM Bobert: "You said that a bigot is some one who is intolerant of others ideas..." Being intolerant of bigotry is not bigotry. "Saws is a Repub opeartive who get paid to twist, distort and fabricate" See Bobert fact # 987854 Anybody that disagrees with Bobert is a Bepublican. "twist, distort and fabricate... 'cause they really don't know what else to do" Bobert has not backed up any of his twisting of the facts, distortions and fabrications made in this thread. For example, he has not produced any thing to support his false claim that "Fox edited the speech"> his only answer is to make personal attacks to avoid answering the question. That's all he knows how to do. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Sawzaw Date: 01 Aug 10 - 07:39 PM "I think you would be wiser to direct your antsy antagonism toward Briebart" Why not tell that to Bobert, He is the one making the hateful accusations. I am merely pointing out how he is wrong. Why does that make me hateful? |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 01 Aug 10 - 07:59 PM Sorry, but you are both way off the mark... I mean, if we get to the point where we can't disagree on political matters without this very insulting word being thrown out as if it mean nuthin', then we have stepped down the ladder of being civilized more than a few rungs... Ya'll can plasy yer words games as much as you like if gives you the warm & fuzzies... Fir those of us who put so much into the civil rights movement, ya'lls games would make anyone like me, who were on the front lines, puke... Might as well just call black people "niggers"... Same difference... And shame on you GfS... I understand Saws 'cause it's all about the election strategy to get Repubs elected by turnin' racism onto Democrats and anyone else that might have been part of the ***real*** civil rights movement but ***you***??? You have cheapened the word to where it means nothing... Shame, shame, shame... You know better than this... B~ B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Genie Date: 02 Aug 10 - 06:03 PM Sawz, the multinational corporations and right-wing billionaires back Republicans (and "corporatist" Democrats) far more than they do liberals or the Democratic Party, maybe not so much by way of direct campaign contributions (they do want to be on good terms with whichever legislators get elected, after all) but by way of funding radio & TV shows like Limbaugh, Hannity, & other right-wing talk (even when & where such shows lose money), by funding "conservative" think tanks, and by way of ownership of radio & TV stations & newspapers and censoring what they allow their "news" shows to disclose or investigate. There is really no secret that most large corporations prefer the Republicans to be in power and prefer the "blue-dog Democrats" to progressives or those who support organized labor or the average citizen. Democrats, at least the centrist and liberal ones, are less likely to skew legislation in favor of individuals or labor; Republicans and other corporatists tend to favor huge tax cuts for big business & the rich, lax or nonexistent regulation of industry for any reason, etc. And they make that clear by way of how they spend their money to influence politics. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Genie Date: 02 Aug 10 - 06:10 PM @ Bobert [[Actually I gotta laugh when I read these moronish letters to the editor written by people who say they are Dems and then go on to sing the Repub company fight song at the top of their lungs... Yeah, lotta them, too, out there.]] Yep. And that's yet another way the wealthy backers of the Republicans spend their $$ to support that party and its ideology: they pay people to a) post things like that on various websites, b) call radio talk shows and spout that sort of thing (e.g, "I'm a Democrat and I agree with you, Thom Hartman, 95% of the time, BUT ... (insert right-wing talking point, ofteb followed by some reason not to vote for the Democrats this fall) and/or c) constantly edit Wikipedia pages to skew the content towards the right wing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Genie Date: 02 Aug 10 - 06:22 PM Mary G, Vilsack should have used more caution and, yes, should have consulted with Sherrod privately before taking any other action. That's just common decency as well as showing respect for the truth instead of fear in the face of slung mud. Joe O, even if Sherrod's job was "exempt" and she held it "at the pleasure of the President," that doesn't make Vilsack's knee-jerk reaction wise or fair. I think Vilsack ended up hurting both Sherrod and the administration by acting like a scared dog and by making the administration look cowardly and disloyal, afraid to stand their ground and stick to principle in the face of attacks by the right-wing media. Bobert, you're right that Fox & the Tea Party will glom onto anything 'scandalous' they think they can pin on a Democrat. They can and will get such stories (often lies) spread around the world before the truth can get its proverbial pants on. But that doesn't mean the Obama administration helps their own cause by kowtowing to that. Sawz, Vilsack may have sacked Sherrod before Fox News showed the altered clip on TV, but not before they had been running it on their website with many, many people viewing it. Contrary to what Brent Bozell said, Andrew Breitbart DID do something wrong. Very wrong. If he didn't deliberately set out to distort & deceive, at the very least, he acted with reckless irresponsibility in a way that was harmful to another person. And given the shenanigans he pulled with the set-up & the doctored ACORN videos, it's pretty likely it was deliberate. Sherrod owes Fox News no apology, because they (except for Shepard Smith) DID run the edited and misleading video over and over, complete with denouncing of Sherrod, well before they had investigated the context of the excerpt (including when it was made, by whom, and what her overall message was). |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 02 Aug 10 - 07:43 PM Bobert, I was merely pointing out that the measure you gauge 'bigotry' is the same one you demonstrated towards others, of a different political persuasion. I figured you'd want to have that pointed out by a friend, rather than hidden by a 'Yes person' with no brains! Shame on me?????????????? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 02 Aug 10 - 08:42 PM Yeah, GfS... Shame on you... Can't you see the way the right wing is co-opting the word "bigot" becasue it will and can justifyable be use on them??? So they are trying, with you and Saws help I might add, to make bigot this everyday word that can jusr be used any ol' time anyone disagress with another person... This is all part of a paid-for political stategey... Hust like the right wing co-opted the word "liberal"... Hey, they may pull if off so that they (the real bigots) will have cover in calling liberals, civil rights people, progressives, Democrats "bigots"!!! Well, as long as I have breath in my body I will not allow anyone to call be a bigot because I don't happen to agree with racist, sexist, homophobic bullshit being slung by a bunch of racist, sexist, homophobic redneck Republicans who just want to get in power so they can continue with their racist, sexist, homophobic redneck policies... Hey, the right wing is calling Obama a "bigot"??? If you can't see that you have fallen into the 2010-2012, 20 forever Republican coopie doll in the back window of garndpa's '78 Olsmobile than Helen Keller has 20/20 eyesight compared to yours... I loves ya, GfS, but you been sucked into the Republican turbine and yer now spitting out their talking points... "Bigot" has a special place in out history... Like Goerge Wallace and Lester Maddox and Jim Crow... For those of us who stood up to those rednecks in the name of humanity and what is right we ain't gonna let ya'll have thios word like a weapon to use against us... It just that simple... I will fight you or anyone here who tries to co-opt it to use against people who are tolerant and who have fought the battles... If Martin Luther King were here at Mudact he'd be just as forcefull... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 02 Aug 10 - 09:29 PM Bobert: "Can't you see the way the right wing is co-opting the word "bigot" becasue it will and can justifyable be use on them???" GfS: The word bigot has been used by the far left so often it's just about worn out its meaning! So they are trying, with you and Saws help I might add, to make bigot this everyday word that can jusr be used any ol' time anyone disagress with another person... This is all part of a paid-for political stategey... Hust like the right wing co-opted the word "liberal"... GfS: First of all, I'm not a Republican. Second of all, when I've (and very rarely) used the word 'bigot', it was to point out that the person using the word, that they were misusing it..because, rather than use intelligent debate, those who use it frequently, think they can do so(call some one a bigot), and reduce themselves into name calling, than debate issues, based on FACTS! Bobert: "Hey, they may pull if off so that they (the real bigots) will have cover in calling liberals, civil rights people, progressives, Democrats "bigots"!!!" GfS: Niot sure what you are driving at, in the last sentence, but many radical lefties hide behind using the term 'civil rights' as a way of expressing their 'sense of entitlement' paid for, of course, by other people's hard earned money!...and confiscated by your friend and mine, the ever expanding government! Bobert: "Well, as long as I have breath in my body I will not allow anyone to call be a bigot because I don't happen to agree with racist, sexist, homophobic bullshit being slung by a bunch of racist, sexist, homophobic redneck Republicans who just want to get in power so they can continue with their racist, sexist, homophobic redneck policies..." GfS: you must be referring to someone else, and I'm not sure who...but it isn't me. I never called you anything of the sort, based on your list! Bobert: "Hey, the right wing is calling Obama a "bigot"???" GfS: ..and the left wing has never called Sarah Palin, the same???? Its all bullshit! It's cheap street theater for the half witted! Bobert: If you can't see that you have fallen into the 2010-2012, 20 forever Republican coopie doll in the back window of garndpa's '78 Olsmobile than Helen Keller has 20/20 eyesight compared to yours... GfS:I haven't fallen for ANY of EITHER side's games! I think their BOTH full of crap, and fraudulently exploiting, what used to be, idealistic visions, of what WAS considered a correct path!! Bobert: "I loves ya, GfS, but you been sucked into the Republican turbine and yer now spitting out their talking points..." GfS: Hey, truth is truth, sometimes the Republicans spout it, and sometimes the Democrats spout it....the TRUTH to the problem, is neither side believe in it!...they just want YOU to think they do! "Bigot" has a special place in out history... Like Goerge Wallace and Lester Maddox and Jim Crow... For those of us who stood up to those rednecks in the name of humanity and what is right we ain't gonna let ya'll have thios word like a weapon to use against us... It just that simple... I will fight you or anyone here who tries to co-opt it to use against people who are tolerant and who have fought the battles.. GfS: You forgot Robert Byrd....but for political masquerading, he changed his tune! Bobert: "If Martin Luther King were here at Mudact he'd be just as forcefull..." GfS: He'd probably spell better, too!! B~ GfS....(winking at ya') |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 02 Aug 10 - 09:48 PM Oh, okay... Kick a man fir is danged spellin... That's it!!! I'm takin' my marbles and going home... B;~)... *grin* |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 02 Aug 10 - 10:14 PM Shit, I spelled one wrong, too!...sixth paragraph, but actually it was a typo! "GfS: Niot sure what you are driving at, in the last sentence,..." What's a Noit??... ...surprised Ebbers didn't catch it and call me a 'bigot' ...for being hateful to proper spellers! Well, I guess the rest of my post was alright with you then, huh? Shit, where is Little Hawk? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 02 Aug 10 - 10:21 PM OooHH...By the way........from wikipedia...... George Corley Wallace, Jr. (August 25, 1919 – September 13, 1998) was the 45th Governor of Alabama, serving four terms: 1963–1967, 1971–1979 and 1983–1987. "The most influential loser" in 20th-century U.S. politics, according to biographers Dan T. Carter[1] and Stephan Lesher,[2] he ran for U.S. president four times, running officially as a >>>>>>>>>> DEMOCRAT <<<<<<<<<< three times, and in the American Independent Party once...." Real progressive, eh? liberal?? You should refresh yourself with Phil Ochs' 'Love Me, Love Me Love Me, I'm a Liberal' Wishing you the best....maybe P-Vine will let you eat at the table, instead of over the sink, too! Winkin' back at ya', GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 03 Aug 10 - 01:30 AM Ohhh, and more 'by the way'..... Bobert: ""Bigot" has a special place in out history... Like Goerge Wallace and Lester Maddox and Jim Crow... For those of us who stood up to those rednecks in the name of humanity and what is right we ain't gonna let ya'll have thios word like a weapon to use against us... It just that simple... I will fight you or anyone here who tries to co-opt it to use against people who are tolerant and who have fought the battles.." GfS:..from wikipedia..... "Lester Garfield Maddox (September 30, 1915 – June 25, 2003) was an American >>>>>>>>>> DEMOCRATIC <<<<<<<<<< Party politician who was the 75th Governor of the U.S. state of Georgia from 1967 to 1971. Maddox came to prominence as a staunch segregationist and maintained, to his death, that he never had any regrets. However, Tom Murphy (former Georgia House Speaker) stated: "He had a reputation as a segregationist, but he told us he was not a segregationist, but that you should be able to associate with whoever you wanted."[1] Jim Crow:.....Jim Crow laws were a product of the solidly Democratic South. Conservative white Southern >>>>>>>>>> DEMOCRATS <<<<<<<<<<. , exploiting racial fear and attacking the corruption (real or perceived) of Reconstruction Republican governments, took over state governments in the South in the 1870s and dominated them for nearly 100 years, chiefly as a result of disenfranchisement of most blacks through statute and constitutions. In 1956, southern resistance to the Supreme Court's ruling in Brown v. Board of Education resulted in a resolution called the Southern Manifesto. It was read into the Congressional Record and supported by 96 southern congressmen and senators, all but two of them southern >>>>>>>> DEMOCRATS <<<<<<<<. Gosh!...How did that happen??????? Me thinks the propaganda machine has you guys all turned around!!! Still winkin', GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 03 Aug 10 - 08:04 AM Hey, GfS, I don't deny that all these folks were democrats... Ya' gotta remember that most of yer Southern elected folks back then were DEMOCRATS... The fact is that the Democratic Party was for a long time a purdy redneck party in the South until the Civil Righta Act and the subseguent "Southern Strategy" when the parties flip-flopped... Lyndon Johnson even predicted that the Civil Rights Act would kill the Democratic party off in the South for decades... He was right... So I will never ever defend those rednecks becasue they were DEMOCRATS... They were as wrongheaded as FOX and the TEA Party is today... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 03 Aug 10 - 08:37 AM BTW, I grew up here in Virginia which was home to the "Byrd Machine"... Harry Bird was as redneck as rednecks come... If he were around today he would be a rightwinged fringe loonie... He was also a DEMOCRAT... Actually, when I listen to alot of Southern Repubs speak they are saying the same stupid things that Harry Byrd would have said some 50 years ago... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 03 Aug 10 - 11:28 AM Bobert, speaking of CORRUPTION....and bullshit hiding behind causes that they want YOU to believe...... More from the 'Democratic' hiding behind 'minority' do gooding! Need I say more? Oh, how's the sink? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Gut from Sanity Date: 03 Aug 10 - 01:46 PM .....just sittin' here, drumming my fingers on the desk.......just can;t wait to see the bullshit RATIONALIZATIONS, and excuses for this one!!!!! I think I got to hand it to myself...RIGHT AGAIN!!!! Me |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 03 Aug 10 - 01:54 PM The 'gut' from Sanity was a computer glitch, on the preceding post..... For what it is worth...... With guts, GfS |
