BS: Gordon Ramsay's kitchen nightmares, UK.

Subject: BS: Gordon Ramsay's kitchen nightmares, UK.
From: harpmaker
Date: 18 May 04 - 06:44 PM

Is UK's food realy that bad? He's having a laugh, Is'nt he?

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay's kitchen nightmares, UK.
From: vectis
Date: 18 May 04 - 07:28 PM

Nope! Too many English restaurants serve hughly over-priced crap and write the menus in French to try to justify the enormously inflated prices.
That's why Indian, Chinese and similar eateries are so popular. The food may not be a lot better but there's plenty of it and it's a lot cheaper.

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay's kitchen nightmares, UK.
From: woodsie
Date: 18 May 04 - 07:53 PM

If I want to fry an egg - I fry it. I don't need some jumped up herbert telling me that it's a skill or an art.

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay's kitchen nightmares, UK.
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 18 May 04 - 07:56 PM

definitely an art, and its oeufs frit to you mate!

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay's kitchen nightmares, UK.
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 18 May 04 - 08:30 PM

Actually, the British TV series 'Posh Nosh' is a hoot - only 10 mins an episode, but brilliant, especially on this line of thought about over pretentiosness in food.

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay's kitchen nightmares, UK.
From: el ted
Date: 19 May 04 - 04:31 AM

We watch it. Bloody good to see someone calling a spade a spade for once.

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay's kitchen nightmares, UK.
From: GUEST,An Ex- Chef
Date: 19 May 04 - 06:57 AM

Woodsie ............ what do you fry it in ........ Lard, there is a great skill in being able to cook properly, two people given the same ingredients and the same recipe can conjour two entirely different meals that could range from exquisite to inedible. If people can't see the different there's always McDonalds

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay's kitchen nightmares, UK.
From: GUEST,an Ex-Chef
Date: 19 May 04 - 07:03 AM

Furthermore I cannot abide the jumped up arrogant foul mouthed little b****d myself, The way he speaks to people is a disgrace they may not be particularly talented but you need to encourage people rather than just do them down, that's very easy. To encourage and nuture and develop and teach is far, far harder.
Incidentally his sole contribution to the menu last last night consisted of an American flame grilled berger ....... my GOD how original ..... Oh Mr Ramsey please let me worship at thy feet

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay's kitchen nightmares, UK.
From: GUEST,An Ex Chef
Date: 19 May 04 - 07:10 AM

And his Yorkshire Puddings were not fit to be sent out into the Restaurant, I would have had my arse kicked from oven to pot room if I'd tried to send something like that to one of my clientele and I owned the company

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay's kitchen nightmares, UK.
From: el ted
Date: 19 May 04 - 08:50 AM

By gum ex chef! You are getting upset, he hasn't sacked you in his time has he?

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay's kitchen nightmares, UK.
From: GUEST,An Ex Chef
Date: 19 May 04 - 09:44 AM

Actual El Ted, you know me and NO he hasn't sacked me because I would never work for a person who was so destructive and rude to people.
I watched the programme last night in horrified digust, I had apprentices in my time and they got a hard time but I would never, ever treat someone in that manner especially knowing it was going to be broadcast ........ or perhaps that's why he did it to bloster his own fragile little ego in front of the great British public.

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay's kitchen nightmares, UK.
From: el ted
Date: 19 May 04 - 10:02 AM

hmmmm.... an ex chef that I know??? You are right about one thing though, the people he slates are unlikely to get jobs in catering again. It must be terribly embarrassing for them, but good fun for the rest of us who watch it.

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay's kitchen nightmares, UK.
From: el ted
Date: 19 May 04 - 10:03 AM

Hang on! Is that you Nick?

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay's kitchen nightmares, UK.
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 19 May 04 - 10:14 AM

I wish he had a wider and more artistic range of expletives. If his range of dishes was as limited as his swear words he wouldn't need a very big menu.

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay's kitchen nightmares, UK.
From: The DeanMeister
Date: 19 May 04 - 10:16 AM

Baited breath....

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay's kitchen nightmares, UK.
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 19 May 04 - 10:53 AM

Curse you, you sleuth, Yes 'tis I, personally Ted I was disgusted at the way he slagged people off, especially the "Executive Chef" who although he might have been slightly worse than unless did not deserve to be slated on national television by a foul mouthed yob. As I said earlier, the only contribution to the menu from this "master chef" was an American Flame Grilled Burger ......... Mine are legendary by the way ..... ask Last Nights Fun about the one's they bough off me at Saddleworth a few years back.

We've got wheelbarrows round Huddersfield that venue American Style flame grilled burgers

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay's kitchen nightmares, UK.
From: el ted
Date: 19 May 04 - 11:01 AM

God I'm good!!! I am bloody amazed at the naffness of some of these chefs though. I am quietly convinced that I could do better than a lot of the chefs shown in the series so far. But I suppose if they were half way decent that would make for a rather dull programme!

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay's kitchen nightmares, UK.
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 19 May 04 - 11:03 AM

I find most "cooking" shows to ridiculous - they tend to use either ingredients that are unavailable to most; too expensive for most - or the "hosts" are obnoxious and ill-informed (exception - "Good Eats - he is obnoxious and well-informed. his writers should be shot though)

Restauraunt review shows seem to think EVERYONE is on expense accounts - even the "beduget" ones tend to feature places where the average meal cost approximately my discretionary income for a week.

Like the lobster omelet someone mentioned yesterday - Why 10 oz of caviar in an omelet? 10 oz. of caviar is more then most people would serve for an entire Buffet/reception!

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay's kitchen nightmares, UK.
From: el ted
Date: 19 May 04 - 11:07 AM

Keith Floyd was the best telly chef, invariably pissed and jolly, but the cooking became samey. My beloved who is an EXCELLENT cook, watches all the cookery programmes shown on BBC2 back to back on a saturday morning, and she actually takes notes!!! Saves me bothering I suppose.

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay's kitchen nightmares, UK.
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 May 04 - 11:15 AM

I know that the Frugal Gourmet (Jeff Smith) went down in flames a few years back (in issues unrelated to cooking), but he always gave good clear instructions and used available ingredients. I still make several dishes that I learned from his programs. Graham Kerr (the Galloping Gourmet) was pretty good, also, especially his one-pot dishes. Some of his substitutions for calorie-counters were a little odd, but it was always interesting. Martin Yan (Yan Can Cook) provided good information about selecting ingredients I found particularly helpful. (He taught me how to choose a good canteloupe every time--and it works!)

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay's kitchen nightmares, UK.
From: el ted
Date: 19 May 04 - 11:26 AM

Don't forget the divine Nigella. I often cook Gammon in coke and onion which she demonstrated on her fragrant series recently.

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay's kitchen nightmares, UK.
From: JennyO
Date: 19 May 04 - 12:14 PM

I used to enjoy a Canadian cooking program called "The Urban Peasant" with James Barber. Unfortunately it hasn't been on lately in Oz.

I liked the way he made cooking seem fun and casual - his favourite saying seemed to be "Use what you've got" and if anything went wrong, he laughed.

He would have you drooling over a pan of tomatoes and onions simply because of the way he licked his lips over them. At the end he would sit down with a guest to eat his meals. I hope they bring this one back.

These days I am quite enjoying "Ready Steady Cook".

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay's kitchen nightmares, UK.
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 19 May 04 - 06:16 PM

The $1000 lobster omelet and caviar got coverage on this morning's BBC 4 Today programme.

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay's kitchen nightmares, UK.
From: GUEST
Date: 19 May 04 - 06:25 PM

With a white wine sauce?

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay's kitchen nightmares, UK.
From: harpmaker
Date: 19 May 04 - 06:44 PM

Ready steady cook! Every episode that I've seen, at the end of the show the guest's are asked to taste the food (exotic dishes in 20 mins')
And when asked "what do you think?" they always say "mmmmmm thats fantastic etc".
Makes me wonder how many times its actually dreadfull!

Next weeks show is not to be missed.

Gordon Ramsay is visiting a curry ship that has been sinking for the last 200years.
Its managed by "Youno fromull" the famous karioki fiddler, & the head chef is our very own El(haddock) Ted.

The curry is slung over your Tee shirt with (haddock)Teds guitar as you walk in, Alegidly.

I wonder what else is on the menu?

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay's kitchen nightmares, UK.
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 19 May 04 - 08:12 PM

10oz caviare in one ommelette? Bloody hell, who could AFFORD 10oz caviare??

Mind you, I'm pretty disheartened by what is taught at school these days. OK so double Domestic Science on a Thursday morning was the pits, but at least it taught me what I should wash, how often I should wash it (everything, frequently) and that I couldn't make custard.

I didn't see the programmes, the trailers were enough to put me off and I spent 8 years in the catering trade. If our manager/chef had spoken to us like that, he would have found a new and interesting way to store carrots.

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay's kitchen nightmares, UK.
From: el ted
Date: 20 May 04 - 04:37 AM

My haddock souffle is legendary harpy, you fat tart!

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay's kitchen nightmares, UK.
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 20 May 04 - 11:33 AM

I can remember Margurite Patten (I've still got a copy of "Cooking in Colour") and Philip Harben . . . . . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay's kitchen nightmares, UK.
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 20 May 04 - 07:50 PM

"And I hope all your doughnuts turn out like Fannys".

Ah, those were the days!!

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay's kitchen nightmares, UK.
From: Madame P At Work
Date: 21 May 04 - 09:48 AM

Actually, what caught my eye over the three programmes I saw, was how bad the kitchen hygene was. If I was of a less robust attitude, I'd never go to a restaurant again!

Gordon Ramsey is a loud mouth yob, but my guess is he's there for the 'car crash' factor. You know you shouldn't look but he always draws a crowd.

Considering how many of Ramsey's eateries have gone out of business, I find it quite amusing to see him giving 'advice' to restauranters on how to run one!

Hey ho, these reality t.v. progs aren't about actually seeing if they can turn something like a failing business round. They're about making 'good television'. In the end I feel very sorry for the restaurants that have been put through all this. The airing of the programmes could well ruin several businesses after they've gone and sorted themselves out!

TTFN Lady P.

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay's kitchen nightmares, UK.
From: harpmaker
Date: 31 May 04 - 03:16 PM

Its on tonight 9.0pm.
Just seen the preview, Gordon gets a slap!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay's kitchen nightmares, UK.
From: Megan L
Date: 31 May 04 - 03:35 PM

Ah, what would his granny say about that language.   As to his failed businesses you dont have to be able to swim to teach someone else. Housewifery (ok I'm old) was not a favourite subject but at least every boy and girl in our school could cook up a decent meal, do their own laundry, change the fuses and wire a plug if we had to. There is a whole generation who thinks a recipe should read place in microwave for 3 minutes. Unfortunately many of them seamed to be working in resturants I have been unfortunate enought to visit while I was away.

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay's kitchen nightmares, UK.
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 31 May 04 - 03:44 PM

He cooks like an ex footballer, and swears like a current footballer, and what's more he's a prick!
Rick Stein, Antonio Carlucci, Sophie Grigson, and Nick Nairn, where are you now that we need you?
JGM

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay's kitchen nightmares, UK.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 31 May 04 - 04:59 PM

The great thing with these programmes is that they help break the telly habit. And there are so many of them now that I'm finding myself with so much more time to spare.

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay's kitchen nightmares, UK.
From: harpmaker
Date: 31 May 04 - 05:12 PM

Hell's kitchen, was the programme, I got it wrong!
But it did have Ramsay in it.
I have to agree with you McGrath.........I thought the show was rubbish.

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay's kitchen nightmares, UK.
From: Nemesis
Date: 31 May 04 - 05:37 PM

McGrath, "Deadringers" had it right this evening with their "Gordon" making such crap TV so that people WILL stop watching TV and .... go out to restaurants!!

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay's kitchen nightmares, UK.
From: harpmaker
Date: 31 May 04 - 06:53 PM

Nemesis you make an exelent point but, I thought all this terrible/crap TV was a clever attempt to make
the masses to go for subscription TV.

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay's kitchen nightmares, UK.
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 01 Jun 04 - 01:36 AM

And now he's really hit the skids with his "celebrity kitchen nightmares" show. A cupboard full of mediocrities, with the dumb masses being asked to "vote" off people. This is the lowest form of entertainment, totally effing pointless (the celebs do not aspire to become chefs after all, so why the hell are they there), yet he pretends in all seriousness to be offering some sort of service "teaching" them...

I was skipping channels when I came across that last night, and it was so bad, I sat fascinated for 5 mins befoe I resumed (it's the car crash factor again).

One can have more fun examining toenail clippings.

Anybody who prostitutes his art or profession this way deserves to be pilloried (not sure what this means, but I hope it involves VERY BIG pills and unusual entry points).

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay's kitchen nightmares, UK.
From: Nemesis
Date: 01 Jun 04 - 08:06 PM

McG: :)

Coming from an unintentional "Spiritualist" background ie., Gran dragging 11-year-old me off on Sundays to Weybridge Spiritualist Church ... it seemed to me then (and now) that "our dearly departed on the other side", whom we attempted to contact, seem to spend their (undead) lives doing precisely what we now do in our 21st century real lives ... hanging about pointlessly and passively watching the excruciating minutia of dull lives for entertainment

..erm, I'm not sure of the point I'm trying to make (at 1am in the morning) but along the lines of .... isn't it "scary" to think that IF the Spiritualist Church have it right, then we are now experiencing "Hell" on Earth and an afterlife of the same to look forward to (not)?

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay's kitchen nightmares, UK.
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 02 Jun 04 - 03:21 AM

no you gotta put it in the freezer first - then microwave for ten minutes - trust me I know about these things
When the valium kicks in I'll learn something more complicated

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay's kitchen nightmares, UK.
From: GUEST,noddy
Date: 02 Jun 04 - 04:33 AM

he did not give himself the THREE MICHELIN STARS that was from those that like his work.
And how so typicaly British that as soon as we get somebody who is at the top we slate him for it.
Keep up the good work and press that button on the micro wave !

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay's kitchen nightmares, UK.
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 02 Jun 04 - 04:58 AM

Nemesis, was that Weybridge Surrey England?
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay's kitchen nightmares, UK.
From: Nemesis
Date: 02 Jun 04 - 05:38 AM

That's the one! :)I'm sure it was Weybridge .. I know public transport must have been a helluva a lot better 30 years ago cos we used to go on the bus from Chertsey ..

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay's kitchen nightmares, UK.
From: Madame P At Work
Date: 02 Jun 04 - 12:49 PM

Er MeganL, I would have thought the 'why' someone can't swim would be of high importance before saying that they could teach swimming. The same applies to Gordon.

TTFN Lady P.

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay's kitchen nightmares, UK.
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 02 Jun 04 - 08:16 PM

I was watching TOTTP 2 tonight, and I thought he looks a bit like Howard Jones. Could they be related by any chance?

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay's kitchen nightmares, UK.
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 03 Jun 04 - 03:57 AM

Madame P is right about the hygiene - I was under the impression that you had to have a basic certificate of hygeine to work in a kitchen. Even Ramsay was guilty of some basic errors (licking a spoon and putting it back in the pot eurgh!) and I don't recall seeing anyone wash their hands before and after handling the meat.

Mind you, I think I tasted the results - hospital food well deserves its reuptation.

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay's kitchen nightmares, UK.
From: GUEST,noddy
Date: 03 Jun 04 - 04:57 AM

have you eaten any of his food? I guess not. Just keep complaining about how bad he is only goes to emphasise your ignorance.

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay's kitchen nightmares, UK.
From: Megan L
Date: 03 Jun 04 - 01:24 PM

the problem is that people washing hands isnt good tv, I remember the same argument about Delia Smith and Hygene, they just cut those bits out

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay's kitchen nightmares, UK.
From: GUEST,van
Date: 03 Jun 04 - 02:54 PM

What's the difference between Gordon Ramsay and a croos country run?













A cross country run is a pant in the country and Gordon Ramsay is a ....

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay's kitchen nightmares, UK.
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 03 Jun 04 - 05:57 PM

Noddy - some of us have rich friends..... I've eaten worse meals, I've eaten cheaper meals. They were something to write home about.... Ramsays' wasn't.

LTS