BS: Pickup trucks (us and ca)

Subject: BS: Pickup trucks (us and ca)
From: gnu
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 02:17 PM

My question is, Ford, Dodge, GM, Chev...? No sense tellin me about any truck not made in the USA or Canada by NA auto manufacturers.

No more 2009 F150s at $10.5k off. Had my sciatic nerve not pot pinched for another day or two, I might have gotten one. And, yesterday, it became glaringly apparent I should have gotten one when I had the chance.

The 2010s are at $7.5k off. But all the new ones on the lot are "fancy" and I am not. Cannot bring myself to spend nearly $40k on a vehicle... in the end, it's transportation. And fancy don't matter shit in the backwoods.

Soooo... I would appreciate any wisdom anyone has on which brand of truck to consider,

Subject: RE: BS: Pickup trucks (us and ca)
From: Riginslinger
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 02:25 PM

It doesn't seem to me like there's a lot of difference, unless you're buying a diesel. If that's the case, with a Dodge you can get a Cummins engine. Of course you'd only be about 10% through the engine by the time the rest of the truck's shot.

Subject: RE: BS: Pickup trucks (us and ca)
From: gnu
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 02:56 PM

Might get a good price for the engine, tho... and it could be delivered if the truck ain't "shot".

Subject: RE: BS: Pickup trucks (us and ca)
From: Rapparee
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 03:30 PM

Toyota makes Tacomas in San Antonio and Corollas in Ontario. Nissan builds trucks in Smyrna, Tennessee. You aren't stuck with Dodge, Ford, GM, etc.

Subject: RE: BS: Pickup trucks (us and ca)
From: Barry Finn
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 03:32 PM

Had Fords, Dodge & Chevys all my life, used them all for work & transport, until I got a toyota. Never bought anything but a toyota since & never been happpier. Wouldn't buy one of the big 3 if they were half the price of a toyota. When American Auto manufacturers start building a truck that works & gets good fuel economy then I think of changing back but not until then

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: Pickup trucks (us and ca)
From: gnu
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 03:39 PM

I hears yas... and I am soooo pissed at, well, for example...

A jeep with no AC or auto tranny or anywhere near what a Toyata FJ Cruiser has is about the same price. And, in the Jeep, I can't put my arm down without hitting the door. Fookin tin can crap!

BUT... I cannot buy anything but what I said in my first post. That's just the way it is.

Subject: RE: BS: Pickup trucks (us and ca)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 03:43 PM

If you are in western Canada, forget the Cummings diesel. Many stations don't have diesel, and starting it up at 30 below ain't easy (a son-in-law had one but sold it after one winter). Also too damn noisy. Diesel now is more expensive here than regular, I am told.

Ford and Chevy outsell Dodge by a wide margin here; I can't advise on makes (I prefer GM, no real reason).
Unless you are hauling a heavy trailer, a 1/2-3/4 ton depending on make) should do you.

I had a leased one (3/4, one year old and checked out by a mechanic). Not that much difference in gas consumption between a 1/2 and 3/4.

Subject: RE: BS: Pickup trucks (us and ca)
From: gnu
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 03:53 PM

Actually.... when I bought my last 3/4 I was VERY surpried to find that the prices were lower than for the 1/2s! That was 17 years ago.

Subject: RE: BS: Pickup trucks (us and ca)
From: Riginslinger
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 04:03 PM

I was going to buy a mid-sized SUV, but decided to wait and see what GM and Chrysler will be turning out after the first of the year. Wondering if the bankruptcies will effect what they are offering. Getting a government subsidised automobile might be worth looking into.

Subject: RE: BS: Pickup trucks (us and ca)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 04:43 PM

Chevrolet 2009 Silverados are being cleared by dealers in Canada; some heavy discounts at this time. Room must be made for the 2010s.

GM 2009 Sierras 1500 model starts at $19400 list, the 2500HD at $26,600, but year-end deals available.

Subject: RE: BS: Pickup trucks (us and ca)
From: Ebbie
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 04:52 PM

I'm not currently in the market for a vehicle but I keep being bemused at the size of the SUVs that Toyota is marketing in the US. Some of these honkers are as big as any US made one. When did that begin? I thought US drivers are downsizing?

Subject: RE: BS: Pickup trucks (us and ca)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 05:13 PM

I have a 2000 extended cab Chevy Silverado, the first Chevy I've ever owned. I've had a few Fords in the past (the little Courier was made by Mazda and was wonderful). I made the switch because the extended cab PU had head rests for the back seat bench passengers. This is a safety feature that only a couple of trucks had that at the time. I also got an extra inch for the backseat passengers, important when you have tall kids.

What surprised me and has been the best feature of this pickup is how well it was designed. Need to change a head lamp or tail light? There are a couple of rods that are pulled out and the whole unit lifts easily to be worked on, or one screw comes out and everything is on a hinge and easy to get to. Need to find almost anything under the hood and it is not only easy to find, it is easy to work on. My mechanic said the Chevy pickups from 2000 to about 2007 (last time we spoke about this subject) were the best designed pickups he's had to work on. I don't know about the newer ones, but it seems to me, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Mileage isn't great, 15/22, but I've been careful about how much I drive, and try to avoid one-item trips.

Last week I put in a new windshield; after 9 years of driving, the glass was pitted enough to make driving in rain or into the sun difficult. There are so many Chevy pickups around that use this windshield that installed, it cost $200. Last time I replaced a windshield was in a Ford Explorer and I think it was closer to $500. I've put 107,000 miles on this truck and it's still a great vehicle. I expect the next 100,000 to be as easy as the first.

Any time you're buying a new vehicle you need to inquire about replacement parts (it's like buying a new printer--you really need to ask about the ink prices, not the printer prices). Is there something special to the vehicle, like designer tires or lights or a battery or something that WILL NEED replacing that has no aftermarket versions that will break the bank? There is nothing on this truck that has been difficult or particularly expensive to replace when the time came.

Good luck! And don't be seduced by that new car smell the first time you sit down in a vehicle!

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Pickup trucks (us and ca)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 05:13 PM

This pickup was made in Ontario.

Subject: RE: BS: Pickup trucks (us and ca)
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 05:22 PM

Toyota. Why not have the best?

Subject: RE: BS: Pickup trucks (us and ca)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 05:33 PM

Full size Toyotas, Hyundais and Hondas, pick-ups and SUVs, are selling well in western Canada, more expensive than US-CA models (more glitz). This has been going on for some time. The Honda Pilot SUV, a big seller in Calgary, 3.5L, starts around $36,000 Canadian.

Also check out the Volkswagen Touareg SUV. Cheaper models start at around $45,000 Canadian.
The larger Cadillac Escalade is popular here in Calgary, esp. with the Handicapped.

Comfort and power are more appealing than fuel economy, especially since fuel has returned to low price levels and looks to stay there.
Those little buggars are not comfortable over the long distances here.

Subject: RE: BS: Pickup trucks (us and ca)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 05:50 PM

I take it Greg F drives a Toyota-

Subject: RE: BS: Pickup trucks (us and ca)
From: ranger1
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 06:17 PM

OK, speaking as a park ranger (Oh, look! It's a little girl in a big truck!), avoid any Dodge that isn't a diesel like the plague. There is a reason the State of Maine no longer buys Dodges for the Department of Conservation...

Personally, I like GMC/Chevy (they're the same truck, trust me). I drove my little S-10 for 12 years and now my youngest brother-in-law has it. The best park truck I've driven was a 1995 GMC Sierra 2500. Not the world's greatest gas mileage, but a very dependable truck. I used it for five years and in two different parks, then it "aged out" of the fleet and went to auction. Someone got a good deal when they bought that truck. In the five years after that, we've gone through three Dodges, one of which I referred to as the Truck of Doom and kept telling the higher ups that it was an unsafe vehicle. No one listened and then it cuaght fire in the parking lot and burned to a shell, nearly doing in the guy who was plowing woth it. He got out just as it went "Whoosh!"

Subject: RE: BS: Pickup trucks (us and ca)
From: gnu
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 06:26 PM

SRS... there's the info in detail I was lookin for! THANK YOU!

Of course, thanks to all, even the peeps that want to immigrate to Asia to get a job. Hope that they allow you in if you can't speak the language like Canada does for aliens. And, supply you with $$$ to buy out Canuck businesses from under families that have been here for generations and struggled to build up their businesses.

Sorry, but I just wanted what I asked for in my first post.

As far as youse all selling your brothers and sisters down the river for a few bucks... that ain't my style.... even when they mess up, as they obviously have. I am pissed too, but I will support my family and country first before I worry about my bottom line because my bottom is not is not in Asia.

Now, if anyone else has anything to aid me, great. If ya wanna start yer own thread about whatever ya want, feel free... this is STILL a free forum... fer now. Not so in some OTHER countries. And when ya get there, don't forget to write eh?

(Yes... I am testy... my Satanic nerve is pissing me off amongst other things far more important and upsetting. Sue me!)

Subject: RE: BS: Pickup trucks (us and ca)
From: gnu
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 06:32 PM

Thanks r1.

Subject: RE: BS: Pickup trucks (us and ca)
From: pdq
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 07:56 PM

Avoid any American vehicle with a V6 engine, especially oness from Ford.

The Chevy/GM 4.3 liter is actually quite good in the right vehicle but that is not a pickup. It is 3/4 of the ubiqitous Chevy 350, sharing the same pistons, et al.

Your best bet is the full-sized Chevy/GMG 3/4 or 1 ton with a 350 cid small block. They were discontinued in 2004 (I believe that was a 2005 model year). Get a good low-milage truck with the features you like (auto trans, one might suspect) and keep it maintained. Should last a lifetime.

Subject: RE: BS: Pickup trucks (us and ca)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 08:57 PM

ranger1, I didn't say anything about the Dodge pickups because I haven't worked for the Forest Service or the National Park Service or the Army Corps of Engineers for a long time now, but they all ended up with a lot of Dodge pickups in their fleets because Dodge always had the low bids. They were horrible. Bad ride, bad mileage, not that great to drive. No frills, of course, which made it all seem worse. Some things never change, eh?   :-/

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Pickup trucks (us and ca)
From: kendall
Date: 05 Sep 09 - 06:35 AM

Buy American. The job you save may be your own.

I have a 1997 Chevy Silverado extended cab that gets 18 to 19 mpg. It has a small 8 cyl. engine and it is more comfortable to drive or ride in than many cars. Last March we took it to North Carolina instead of our Hyundai Sonata even though the Hyundai gets better mileage. The comfort is more important on a long trip.
We recently sold the Hyundai and bought a Chevy Impala. More comfortable and the same gas mileage, average 27 local and trip.

Have you noticed that Toyota is now having call backs? They have great quality but they are not perfect.

Subject: RE: BS: Pickup trucks (us and ca)
From: RangerSteve
Date: 05 Sep 09 - 11:52 AM

There was an ad on TV a while back for Chevy trucks. I only saw it once, and then it was hopefully pulled off the air. Anyway, the ad features Howie Long, who is famous here in the States for being extremely manly. Very MANLY. He is pure testosterone. And, according to Howie, driving any truck not made by Chevy is gay. Extremely gay. He doesn't actually say that, but he hints very strongly that driving anything else is totally gay. And unless you want Howie Long sneering at you and making gay jokes about you behind your back, You'll buy a Chevy.

Subject: RE: BS: Pickup trucks (us and ca)
From: gnu
Date: 05 Sep 09 - 12:14 PM

Fuck Howie.

Subject: RE: BS: Pickup trucks (us and ca)
From: gnu
Date: 05 Sep 09 - 12:15 PM

Right... got another question... 4X4 verus AWD?

Subject: RE: BS: Pickup trucks (us and ca)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 05 Sep 09 - 01:08 PM

On my Jeep SUV, I normally drive with rear wheels only engaged; when there is ice or snow, I engage all 4 wheels, which means lower gas mileage.

AWD means that all four wheels are engaged at all times, but some claims in the papers point to some kind of 4X4- read adds carefully.

Lexus (my son has one) and Cadillac both offer AWD; a monitoring system automatically distributes the power delivered to each set of wheels depending on conditions. The Lexus is highly engineered; I don't know about others.

The Suzuki AWD on the SX4 powers the front wheels, and delivers power to the rear wheels when necessary. I have friends who like it, they are skiers.

In other words, not all AWD are the same.

I am familiar with 4X4 pickups- helped out on slippery slopes and ice more than once- but don't know anything about AWD pickups.

Subject: RE: BS: Pickup trucks (us and ca)
From: catspaw49
Date: 05 Sep 09 - 01:34 PM

Under your criteria, I'll take this F 150 ....in a 4x4 ......


Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Pickup trucks (us and ca)
From: kendall
Date: 05 Sep 09 - 01:44 PM

I live in one of the coldest snow covered states of all and I have never been stuck when driving a front wheel drive vehicle. So far I've saved a fortune for not buying a 4 wheel drive.

Subject: RE: BS: Pickup trucks (us and ca)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Sep 09 - 01:49 PM

Are we still talking pickup trucks in the 4x4 vs AWD category?

I didn't get 4x4 because I don't need it. I drive on streets, though occasionally bump over curbs to get places that trucks can go that cars can't (yes, I've been known to use the "Texas exit ramp" off the highway across the shoulder and grass to the frontage road when faced with a traffic snarl that shows no relief).

In our rare but not uncommon ice and snow, I go by Home Depot and buy a bunch of 40# bags of top soil, humus, and a few bags of playground sand and I pile them over and behind the rear axle for the few months I might need better traction. I usually run a plank across the back between the wheel wells so the bags stay put. That way I'm more stable in bad weather and come spring I use all of that stuff in the garden. I used to always have snow tires for winter when I lived in Washington State, but you never even hear people mention them down here, and they wouldn't have a clue as to what to do with chains. You just try to stay out of the way with the first big ice of the season and let the locals get it out of their systems.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Pickup trucks (us and ca)
From: Peace
Date: 05 Sep 09 - 02:27 PM

"Had Fords, Dodge & Chevys all my life, used them all for work & transport, until I got a toyota. Never bought anything but a toyota since & never been happpier. Wouldn't buy one of the big 3 if they were half the price of a toyota. When American Auto manufacturers start building a truck that works & gets good fuel economy then I think of changing back but not until then"

I agree with Barry, completely.

Subject: RE: BS: Pickup trucks (us and ca)
From: gnu
Date: 05 Sep 09 - 02:30 PM

Sorry... I just wondered about the "Crossovers" like the Ford Edge (I think) and such. In other words, would an AWD perform similar to a 4X4 in snow?

I looked at 2009 Chev's this AM. Decent price, but the 4X4s had tires that were truly laughable... not worth a crap in Kent County woods or in snow. How can they sell sommat like that with crap tires? And they had the tire pressure monitoring system??? Useless! Another piece of useless garbage they charge for that detracts from buying one.

I looked at Dodge trucks this Am too... $5k more than the Ford trucks for a similar vehicle.

I guess I'll have to wait to see what Ford brings in and puts on sale as the new stock arrives.

Subject: RE: BS: Pickup trucks (us and ca)
From: kendall
Date: 05 Sep 09 - 03:23 PM

Barry and Peace, Buy American. The job you save could be your own.
Making Japan rich doesn't help America. And, the days of poor quality American cars are long gone. Come out of the dark ages and help put America back on its wheels.

Subject: RE: BS: Pickup trucks (us and ca)
From: Peace
Date: 05 Sep 09 - 03:25 PM

Uh, I'm in Canada, Kendall.

Subject: RE: BS: Pickup trucks (us and ca)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 05 Sep 09 - 03:28 PM

Gnu you hit one of my complaints about car dealers. Tires- the best are seldom on the cars and trucks in dealers showrooms and lots- always some cheaper utility tires.
This is one of those cases where one goes to a tire shop and trades the poor stuff in and forks out for good rubber.
I think all dealers are equally bad unless one is buying something very expensive. Dealers think good tires add too much to the selling price.

I would buy at the year-end Ford-Chevy-GM clearances. If you want a hybrid, wait for the 2010s but expect to pay much more- and not get all that much saving on fuel.

Subject: RE: BS: Pickup trucks (us and ca)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Sep 09 - 03:31 PM

I bet you ended up looking at a specific package they're offering. There is a 4-tier system they have used that I am assuming is still in play. Looks like they are, work truck, LS, LT, LTZ. My pickup is not the bare bones work truck, it is the LS, with better mirrors, heavy bumper, a nice radio and CD player, but with cloth seats and without some of the bells and whistles they add to the high end trucks. Did you pick up the brochure for the series? Then you should see the packages. To get a good idea of what is available (beyond what the salesman wants to sell you) visit http://www.edmunds.com/. I've used them to compare vehicles and to see just what exactly is in each of those packages.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Pickup trucks (us and ca)
From: Peace
Date: 05 Sep 09 - 03:32 PM

Three Toyotas in top-ten American made cars.

Subject: RE: BS: Pickup trucks (us and ca)
From: catspaw49
Date: 05 Sep 09 - 03:58 PM

Hey Folks.........Gnu has a stated preference and like most of us states what he believes. Whichever way you believe doesn't mean squat to gnu! He wants a Dodge, a Chevy, or a Ford. I have a friend who feels exactly the same way, and another who drives 160 miles a day, 5 days a week, to work at the Honda plant in Marysville.

Where you live gnu, I gave you my pick......and I owned 4 Chevy/GMC pickups and two Astro vans.....and one Jeep pickup. Never owned a Ford but right now, I'd buy a Ford first.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Pickup trucks (us and ca)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 05 Sep 09 - 04:05 PM

Chevrolet, Ford, Toyota Tundra pick-ups on that top-ten list. The Chevy gets better mileage in the highway. The Tundra is uncommon, owned by a foreign company although models sold in the States are mostly built in U. S.

Subject: RE: BS: Pickup trucks (us and ca)
From: kendall
Date: 05 Sep 09 - 07:57 PM

Peace, I know you are Canadian. I was being facetious. Actually, I believe my car was made in Canada. I buy Canadian goods without a second thought.

Subject: RE: BS: Pickup trucks (us and ca)
From: Peace
Date: 05 Sep 09 - 07:58 PM

I buy American the same way, Kendall.

I do NOT buy Chinese at all.

Subject: RE: BS: Pickup trucks (us and ca)
From: gnu
Date: 05 Sep 09 - 08:09 PM

I didn't ever want this to be about anything but asking advice on... what I asked.

But, thread drift happens. Schenacadaie.

Thanks for all the help.

Sorry (in a way) to anyone I offended about them there ferrin vehicles. I guess I am just a tad tired and worn. Gettin crotchety as I get crotchety?

Ford. Yeah. I am gonna get a Ford.

Fix Or Repair Daily... First Owner Refused Delivery... Found On Road Dead... and many more.... gnightgnu

Subject: RE: BS: Pickup trucks (us and ca)
From: gnu
Date: 05 Sep 09 - 08:22 PM

And I am gonna get the heated rear bumper... fer pushin it in the snow.

Subject: RE: BS: Pickup trucks (us and ca)
From: catspaw49
Date: 05 Sep 09 - 08:36 PM

Okay......maybe a Chevy...Cracked Heads, Every Valve Rattles, Oil Leaks Every Time...Cheap, Hardly Efficient, Virtually Runs On Luck Each Trip...........Okay then, maybe a Dodge.....Dead On Delivery, Go Easy...Dead Or Dying Garbage Emitter...Drips Oil Drops Grease Everywhere.............................................


Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Pickup trucks (us and ca)
From: Riginslinger
Date: 05 Sep 09 - 09:40 PM

Speaking of Canada, it seems like Dodges used to be Fargos and Fords were (I think) Mercurys. Do I have that wrong? I seem to remember it that way.

Subject: RE: BS: Pickup trucks (us and ca)
From: gnu
Date: 05 Sep 09 - 09:53 PM

Gonna but me a Mercury... cruise up and down the road....

Subject: RE: BS: Pickup trucks (us and ca)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 05 Sep 09 - 11:12 PM

In my merry Oldsmobile...

Peace, if you don't buy anything Chinese, what do you use for underwear?

Subject: RE: BS: Pickup trucks (us and ca)
From: Peace
Date: 05 Sep 09 - 11:13 PM

I don't.

Subject: RE: BS: Pickup trucks (us and ca)
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 05 Sep 09 - 11:17 PM

Rather than picking a brand name and taking pot luck on a model having what you need, wouldn't it be better to spec out what specific performance and features you need and then find the model (within your list of acceptable brand names) that does what you are going to want it to do?

If you expect lots of highway use at relatively light load, you might want a chevy. The reputation is that they have a better "ride" than similar Fords(?).

If your highways are frequently wet, AWD was very helpful in the model I had recently. It's of some advantage on snow and ice, but if you need to go in deep mud (and maybe in snow) you might want 4WD.

If you're going to mostly tool around in the back 40 in the mud with a ton of fertilizer on board you probably want something a little different, and Ford competes very well among heavy work models with 4WD.

If you're frequently towing a significant load, there are vast gaps between the capabilities (rated) of identical-looking trucks, of a single brand or between otherwise closely competing brands/models. Of course if you have a "fifth wheel" trailer you need an open-bed truck, but if it's a ball hitch a van may easily be found with better towed-load rating than almost any comparably priced pickup - and that 4'x8' sheet of plywooed (or even the 12' long roll of carpet) will fit inside some of them if you plan ahead.

If you just want "something flashy" to make you look macho, forget about the truck and get some impressive bling or a tatoo - or a Harley. The flash of either kind won't impress those who know their machinery, but it'll be good enough for anyone shallow enough to think it matters.

I haven't seen anything yet about why you want a pickup to begin with, or what you plan to use it for. I'm not even sure we're talking about real trucks or the "toy ones" like [CENSORED]'s S10.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Pickup trucks (us and ca)
From: Riginslinger
Date: 06 Sep 09 - 12:23 PM

http://www.mercurypickup.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fargo_(truck)

Subject: RE: BS: Pickup trucks (us and ca)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 06 Sep 09 - 12:58 PM

Back in the 1930s the International Pickup was the choice of the Forest Service in the southwest. Like the Fargo, only a memory.

Subject: RE: BS: Pickup trucks (us and ca)
From: gnu
Date: 06 Sep 09 - 02:07 PM

My 98 F150 4X4 has crawled through mudholes, broken puddle ice 3" thick, driven over 4" white birch, plowed fluffy snow with the bumper, hauled idiots out of where they should not have driven ANY truck, and scratched a million alders, maybe two. Only got 118,000 km on er and about 40,000 of those were in bull low 4X4 without touching the gas peddle... about one kph... she kin crawwlll!

A buddy who owns an auto detail shop said I should let him buff out the scratches (some cannot be buffed out, especially the ones past the paint) before I put it up fer sale. I quickly put my hand on the truck and said, reassuringly, "Don't worry darlin, I'd never let him take yer badges of honour away from you." I looked at buddy and said, "Don't scare the poor old girl like that."

So, that's what it's all about. A truck for the back woods roads that can also get me through the maze of crazy drivers in this town with a sense of some safety and that can plow through nasty snowstorms as well as keep me comfy when it's 38C with 90% RH.

Now, I could get sommat like an Explorer (mid-size SUV) but they cost about as much, don't have that extra safety feature of enhanced field of vision and btter chances in an accident simply due to size and weight, can't haul shit around, and don't get much better fuel economy... especially at 118,000/11 km/year.

Oh yeah, the old girl will still go like a scalded dog when called upon... had a reason yesterday and went from 100kph to 135kph quick like, with pedal left (not much left, but some).

Subject: RE: BS: Pickup trucks (us and ca)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Sep 09 - 02:18 PM

Q, back in the 1970s as a Forest Service employee I had to ride around in some of those International Harvesters that were probably from that earlier age. Talk about a rough ride! No shocks at all in those crew carriers.

Their best use is parked and left open for the chickens to roost in.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Pickup trucks (us and ca)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 06 Sep 09 - 02:37 PM

A new F-150, regular cab, 4X4 about $25000 in Calgary. Box length 6.5'; 8-foot box available.
Supercab 4-door, 4X4, 6.5' box about $29000; employee price abt. $26,000; 8' box available.
Price depends on how hungry the dealer and salesman are.

If your old one is still good, wait a year for end of year deals, but harder to get exact model you want. Or shop for a 2009 now.

You sound like a confirmed Ford customer; I prefer GM but that makes no never mind.

I like the Explorer as a rental in the southwest (AZ, NM) but that is because I want gear and purchases under cover, sometimes another couple along, and I don't need truck capabilities. One case where I prefer Ford to Chevy.

Subject: RE: BS: Pickup trucks (us and ca)
From: gnu
Date: 06 Sep 09 - 03:04 PM

Alberta... unreal prices and sales tax! 2009s are all gone.

Subject: RE: BS: Pickup trucks (us and ca)
From: kendall
Date: 06 Sep 09 - 05:47 PM

Gnu, Ford is a good choice.

Subject: RE: BS: Pickup trucks (us and ca)
From: gnu
Date: 06 Sep 09 - 05:48 PM

I think so, K.