BS: Post Brexit life in the UK

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Jul 18 - 07:10 PM

Not worth it, Pete, honest!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: bobad
Date: 25 Jul 18 - 07:37 PM

Yeah Pete do like Shaw did in the closed thread where he advised the pack to ignore it then went on himself to post ten of his usual. Can you say HYPOCRITE.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 26 Jul 18 - 01:58 AM

We gain nothing by trading insults. We all know what the words mean. We all know that when a thread has a large sequence of posts just on trading insults it is liable to closure.


Let's get back to things of substance.

No need to talk about balance, Nigel
No need at all, since the balance of the article did not come into it. The only thing that mattered was that Ashcroft's exit poll of 12,369 voters found 49% of leavers gave sovereignty as their main reason and 33% gave some aspect of immigration. If you want to criticise it, there are valid ways: were the 12,369 representative? Were the questions clear? Were the questions designed with an agenda? These are fair questions and the right way to critique the finding. Asking whether an article quoting it was in was balanced is not relevant; it is real 'shoot the messenger' stuff.

Then, as Raggytash points out, there is a notable silence on the questions around stockpiling. Not least of these is whether it would work. Stockpiling is effective against a short term disturbance of some kind. How long will such disturbances be?

Then, once more, silence on the 'downgrading' of DexEU, and taking control of the negotiations.

Notable silences, I think.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 26 Jul 18 - 02:46 AM

"Cockwomble - someone who engages in cottaging or gay dogging type activities in public places"

Not where I come from, never heard of it. Here's the definition I've always known and understood, and which is the reason for my use of the word to describe certain people....

"Cockwomble (noun) - A person, usually male, prone to making outrageously stupid statements and/or inappropriate behaviour while generally having a very high opinion of their own wisdom and importance.

synonyms: fuckwit, shit-for-brains"

Source - The Urban Dictionary (online)

From the definition Iains proposed, I'm guessing he must move in some very unsavoury circles. I guess we'll all have to take his word for it.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 26 Jul 18 - 03:01 AM

I agree, I have never heard Cockwomble used to mean what Iains says it means. This misunderstanding might explain his anger though, as he hasn't a valid objection to the other two terms used.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Jul 18 - 03:10 AM

One of the best tweets I have seen for ages -

"I for one am relieved that the woman who so shrewdly called a snap election and has cleverly united the country, her cabinet and her party through strong and stable leadership is now in charge of negotiations."

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 26 Jul 18 - 03:33 AM

Urban Dictionary: Cockwomble
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Cockwomble

The literal meaning of cockwomble is someone who engages in cottaging or gay dogging type activities in public places

"From the definition Iains proposed, I'm guessing he must move in some very unsavoury circles. I guess we'll all have to take his word for it."

I think we can all see what sort of person backwoodsman is. Very backward judging by the mode of presentation of his arguments.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Jul 18 - 03:37 AM

DMcG,
Then, as Raggytash points out, there is a notable silence on the questions around stockpiling.

There is nothing to say. It is a sensible precaution but may prove unnecessary.
I acknowledged some time back that there were precautions the government should take.
"DMcG, there are preparations to be made, but not at household level. Raab said on Marr today that the government is making all necessary preparations"
Remember?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Jul 18 - 04:49 AM

Well, at least Rees-Mogg is providing some good news. Oh, hang on...

It Could Take 50 Years To Reap The Benefits Of Brexit

Maybe not then...

In the interview it also says The Somerset MP suggested the broadcaster was asking a “simple” question about economic success or failure based on a “complex” set of circumstances

I wonder what our resident brexiteers have to say about that? Surely it is as simple as do we leave the EU or not. Maybe they could explain to Jake the square peg in a round hole that it is not complex at all :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 26 Jul 18 - 05:41 AM

Once again, the headline does not match the quotes on which it is based:
"It Could Take 50 Years To Reap The Benefits Of Brexit" is not the same as: "We won't know the full economic consequences for a very long time". Nor is it the same as: "The overwhelming opportunity for Brexit is over the next 50 years."

Of course Dave will say he has read the whole article, and only given the headline as a link. But that does give the impression that Rees-Mogg said "It Could Take 50 Years To Reap The Benefits Of Brexit". Many people will read the title of the link, and go no further.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Jul 18 - 06:08 AM

He was asked if he would resign if "the economydoes take a hit next year” when Brexit happens."
Rees-Mogg insisted the full impact will not be known for “years to come” as he hailed leaving the EU as the “greatest opportunity, economically, for this country”.

He said, “The overwhelming opportunity for Brexit is over the next 50 years.”

Huff Post, " A leading Brexiteer (Rees-Mogg) has suggested it could take 50 years to judge whether Brexit has been an economic success"
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/jacob-rees-mogg-economy-brexit_uk_5b54e3b5e4b0de86f48e3566

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Jul 18 - 06:16 AM

Of course I have read it. It is not my problem if others do not do so but, even if they do, they will see that he actually says "The overwhelming opportunity for Brexit is over the next 50 years.” Which is political speak for "I don't have a clue what is going to happen but if we wait for 50 years we may or may not see some improvement."

It is, Nigel, as you are wont to say, speculation. He is saying that his support for the leave campaign is based on speculation and optimism that something good will come out of it. Eventually. He is gambling with the country's future and backing the outcome that, according to the overwhelming body of research, is least likely to succeed.

Once again, the outcome is something I do sincerely hope I am wrong about!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Jul 18 - 06:28 AM

This is complete codswallop in any case. Unless we could somehow have two Britains, one having undergone Brexit and the other not, side by side for comparison for the next 50 years, we will never know what the long-term impact of Brexit was. Things change in the world at a rapid pace. Nothing is predictable these days. No one is going to be sitting around in 50 years' time saying "There you are! That's what brexit did for us!" Jake Greasy-Mug is having us on. By giving brexit a bye for the next fifty years he's exonerating himself in advance for when things go badly wrong in the next three or four years. When the pound has collapsed and we've made made no progress making deals and we find that we still have to deal with the EU, only on far more disadvantageous terms, he can say "Don't blame me! We haven't given it long enough! My reputation remains inviolable until I'm pushing up daisies!"

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 26 Jul 18 - 06:41 AM

Of course I have read it. It is not my problem if others do not do so but, even if they do, they will see that he actually says "The overwhelming opportunity for Brexit is over the next 50 years.” Which is political speak for "I don't have a clue what is going to happen but if we wait for 50 years we may or may not see some improvement."

Strange. I read that same line as meaning that we will see benefits over the coming 50 years, not that it will take 50 years for us to see any benefit.
But it is good to see that you are willing to discuss the comments actually made, rather than just to post the totally misleading headline.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Jul 18 - 06:52 AM

Strange. I read that same line as meaning...

Yes, Nigel. We have discussed this before. People see things differently. It is human nature. To seal the point you (mis)interpreted my statement "I don't have a clue what is going to happen but if we wait for 50 years we may or may not see some improvement." as "it will take 50 years for us to see any benefit."

But at least you seem willing to see that things are interpreted in different ways and due to that we can have meaningful discussions to better understand each others point of view. Even if disagreeing.

Unlike others who simply want to score points and cannot enter into any meaningful dialogue at all.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Jul 18 - 06:58 AM

Unlike others who simply want to score points and cannot enter into any meaningful dialogue at all.

Perhaps because you ignore their posts?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 26 Jul 18 - 07:03 AM

This is complete codswallop in any case. Unless we could somehow have two Britains, one having undergone Brexit and the other not, side by side for comparison for the next 50 years, we will never know what the long-term impact of Brexit was. Things change in the world at a rapid pace. Nothing is predictable these days. No one is going to be sitting around in 50 years' time saying "There you are! That's what brexit did for us!" Jake Greasy-Mug is having us on. By giving brexit a bye for the next fifty years he's exonerating himself in advance for when things go badly wrong in the next three or four years. When the pound has collapsed and we've made made no progress making deals and we find that we still have to deal with the EU, only on far more disadvantageous terms, he can say "Don't blame me! We haven't given it long enough! My reputation remains inviolable until I'm pushing up daisies!"

Another confused Steve Shaw response.
Clearly tells us that 'nothing is predictable' then promptly starts making predictions!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 26 Jul 18 - 07:08 AM

"Nothing is predictable these days."

So I wonder why the remainiacs cling to an organisation hell bent on federalism, a single currency, and an economic model that seems to have failed southern Europe miserably. You know it makes no sense!
Better to watch it fall apart from the outside,rather than the inside.
Of course those here claim it was legions of the great unwashed voted for brexit because they are an uneducated rabble. But then most posting here are typical lefties with as much knowledge of economics as a squashed gnat and a fair number are not in the same social class as the great unwashed and therefore largely immune to the results of immigration driving down the wages of the unskilled. An inconvenient truth they prefer to overlook. One of a plethora in fact, concerning the merits of brexit.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 26 Jul 18 - 07:22 AM

I think Steve's post is accurate except that on two occasions he has said 'when' rather than 'if'.

With those amendments, Nigel, do you still disagree with his post?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 26 Jul 18 - 07:33 AM

Yes, I still disagree with his post. It is not for us to change what he said, but to comment on what he said as if he had said what he intended.
Steve Shaw can do his own retractions/corrections, or just state that it was whimsy, or lies. I'm not going to do it for him.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 26 Jul 18 - 07:38 AM

Employees don't set wage-levels, that is entirely in the hands of employers.

If wage levels have been suppressed over the past period, that is as a result of the behaviour of unscrupulous employers who have taken advantage of the fact that many immigrants arrive from low-wage countries, and have offered lower wage-rates to those workers than they would have otherwise paid.

Several years ago, my company decided to employ a relatively small number of Polish workers because they were having difficulty recruiting employees from our local indigenous population. The immigrant workers were employed on precisely the same conditions of employment as our UK-nationals, and on precisely the same wage-rates as UK-nationals doing the same jobs. Pay rates are based on the job, not on where an employee was born. That is what reputable employers do.

FWIW, the Polish workers involved have proved themselves to be honest, reliable, and hard-working, and are held in high regard by their colleagues and by management.

Instead of blaming immigrants for lowering wage rates, why not put the blame where it rightly belongs - with unscrupulous employers?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 26 Jul 18 - 07:41 AM

Well, Steve will do what he likes, and so of course can any of us. But I am not altering his words. I am in effect reposting it in my name with those alterations.   It would seem to me to be a very normal move for any politician to try to get into the postion where they get the credit if things go well, but avoid blame if they do not. And to me, that appears to be what Jacob is doing, and what Steve's post was getting at.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 26 Jul 18 - 07:59 AM

No, I would still not agree with it as it seems to be based on the idea that we will not see the benefits before 50 years has elapsed.

As I've already said, I read: "The overwhelming opportunity for Brexit is over the next 50 years." to mean that we will see benefits over (not 'after') the next 50 years.

After all, it's taken us over 40 years to fully realise what the 'Common Market' was going to lead to. We were lied to back then by supporters of joining, and we've already seen that we were lied to (in Project Fear) about the immediate hazards of leaving.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 26 Jul 18 - 08:05 AM

"Employees don't set wage-levels, that is entirely in the hands of employers"
Minimum wage levels are set by government in certain EU countries, UK included.
Many applicants drive wages down, a scarcity drives them up.
Do I need to connect all the dots for you?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 26 Jul 18 - 08:09 AM

I read that phrase differently again. Yes, there will be things that happen any time in the next 50 years that one might see as a benefit of Brexit. But there is also an emotional/psychological point when people feel better off a result of a change. When will that point be? No one knows. Could be a few months, or a few years, or 50 years or more. None of us know.

But by referring to 50 years I think Jacob was saying if we got to 10 years and that point had not be reached, it is still too early and he cannot yet be blamed: more time is needed. So it is not really about when Brexit benefits can be judged; it is much more about when Jacob can be judged.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 26 Jul 18 - 08:47 AM

Minimum wage levels are set by government in certain EU countries, UK included.

Many companies pay wage rates which exceed the Minimum Wage. This is especially true of employers of skilled and semi-skilled workers. in those cases your point is irrelevant.

Many applicants drive wages down, a scarcity drives them up.

Fair and reputable employers have formal pay-structures, and set wage rates according to the job. No account is taken of how many applicants there are when a new employee is set on - he/she is paid in accordance with the company's pay structure. In those cases your point is irrelevant.

Do I need to connect all the dots for you?

That comment isn't even worthy of a response. Pathetic.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Jul 18 - 09:00 AM

Thanks, DMcG. It's refreshing to have a chap around who will actually read something I've posted without an initial agenda. But I'm afraid I'm sticking with my whens, not ifs. Put it down to my eternal sense of foreboding and pessimism about the insane path this country is being led down. And Nigel, the only confusion around here is being endured by people who think they can trust a single word that Rees-Mogg utters. And I could point out to you yet again that Project Fear was led by a Tory. One of your bedfellows. And he was especially strident about, as you say, the immediate hazards of leaving. The Tory rump left behind when he and other fellow crazies packed up politics (aka abandoned the sinking ship) are now leading us down that insane path. Fills you with hope, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 26 Jul 18 - 09:16 AM

"Many companies pay wage rates which exceed the Minimum Wage. This is especially true of employers of skilled and semi-skilled workers. in those cases your point is irrelevant."


My post concerned unskilled people. What part of unskilled can you not understands?

"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Jul 18 - 09:17 AM

Er, John...

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 26 Jul 18 - 09:32 AM

It could almost be from the Daily Wail!

http://socialistreview.org.uk/312/immigratio


"the Bank of England has revealed the influx from Eastern Europe and elsewhere into catering, hotels and social care jobs has led to an average two per cent pay cut for many low-skilled staff, its research shows.

As a result some of the least well-off British workers are losing hundreds of pounds a year."

Do I need to connect all the dots? seems so!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Jul 18 - 09:48 AM

And not just pay.
We already had a housing crisis before the influx. Now the poorest have to compete for housing as demand for an utterly inadequate supply pushes up rents to unaffordable levels.
The three parties just told them they must be racists to object.

Also other services. I remember Steve complaining his health centre was "over-run" and his local schools "bursting at the seams" because if incomers if not immigrants.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Jul 18 - 10:05 AM

I really don't want to talk to you at all, especially when you are deliberately being an idiot as now, but the problem round here is caused by very poor planning decisions, not by an influx of migrants to this country. And wages are decided by employers, not by employees. I really can't see what's so hard to understand about that. Goodbye.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 26 Jul 18 - 10:40 AM

wages are decided by employers, not by employees. I really can't see what's so hard to understand about that

Might you be able to see a difference if an employer was looking to employ several persons (possibly for temporary work) and had the chance to choose between two groups of applicants, both capable of doing the work, where one group wanted to be paid the legal minimum wage, but the other group wanted to be paid minimum wage plus 10%?
Most employers would think the minimum wage was the better offer.
So it is the employees (ready to work for a lower figure) who are driving the wages down. "What's so hard to understand about that"?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 26 Jul 18 - 10:41 AM

And wages are decided by employers, not by employees"

Who on earth is stupid enough to think otherwise? The statement was made by: Backwoodsman - PMDate: 26 Jul 18 - 07:38 AM

So who are you calling the idiot stevie blunder? Do you have the attention span of a gnat as well and cannot follow the postings presented? or are you simply so busy trying to insult people you have lost the plot?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Jul 18 - 10:57 AM

What's your nickname, Nigel, "Contortionist-in-Chief?" :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 26 Jul 18 - 11:00 AM

Sadly, this thread seems to be going the way of so many others, wrecked by the same two or three morons. I'm not going to allow myself to be part of the cause of its closure - I'm out. Anyone else with any common sense and an iota of self-respect will do the same.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: peteglasgow
Date: 26 Jul 18 - 11:47 AM

me too - however does anyone think it may be an idea to run a thread on post brexit life in the uk? i don't mean concerning the exact meaning of the length of JRM's prophecies, or tired old arguments about 'immigrants' and wages or how useless the current crop of top politicians are. i mean we are all going to have to live with this mess however it turns out. personally i will still go to work with plenty of ukip types who like trump; working for vulnerable people reliant on an increasingly precarious benefits system. my children work in estonia, london, leeds, italy and glasgow. 3 of their partners could be described as having potential difficulties to come about where they will be allowed to live -2 of them are looking for a new citizenship, so the question is very real to us. yet....though of course i care and find it very hard to switch off reading the news about the latest crimes of the capitalists or the arcane minutiae of this discussion .....in a sense i don't really care about all these divisions and nonsense in our society.
for example, i am thoroughly sick of the 'coming over here taking our jobs' shite...and the inevitable 'not a racist but..' all of us of a certain age were brought up on crap 70s sitcoms and with racist assumptions and all of us learned what nonsense it was and at least tried to move on. now we have a new set of hatemongers in powerful positions and they are re-legitimising the idiotic language and politics of division.

sorry i'm rambling here - anyway, anyone fancy a conversation that does not recognize borders or nationalities and is concerned how we get along with each other in 3-5 years time? i'm increasingly finding that we have a sad split between people who are open to positive ideas or just closed to their own narrow prejudices and political party interests. maybe i'm the only one so i won't start a new thread concerning how an old hippy should best use his remaining years in these fractious times - but if someone else wants to open it up that's great. carry on and i'll join in with anyone who wants to be part of the solution

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Jul 18 - 12:48 PM

"I'm out. Anyone else with any common sense and an iota of self-respect will do the same."
Me too
I've long decided that there's no point responding to people who never reply and then claim nobody has challenged them
I understand perfectly why people like Iains behave as they do
I cannot for the life of me understand why mods would rather close an entire thread and punish us all when a red card and then a kick in the arse when it is ignored would do the job
Nor do I understand why people feed such viciousness as this by responding to it

Twat.??
And
What a silly little man you are!
And
Shaw you are a fool.
And
Tell me did you leave Catholicism because God decided he could not be a**sed to argue with you any longer?
And
So Shaw why do you not correct jimmies unique massacre of the english language? After all for a well educated "polymath" such as yourself it would be merely the matter of a moment.
And
Calm down Shaw you are getting hysterical
And
Not in your classroom now stevie boy.
And
you stupid boy!
And
Oh dear-by his own admission he has totally lost the plot. Time to move in and just ignore the ramblings.
And
Is this because a few more are having the audacity to question your incessant gibberings?
Aand
Raggytash. You have a vivid imagination, if little else!
And
Your hubris blinds you to reality, you poor soul.
And
hold your fire and show us all that you are finally on the beginning of the path to growing up.
And
You must lead a very empty life.


And that’s just two months from last year – where next?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 26 Jul 18 - 01:06 PM

I am afraid I can also see why many people feel there is little point in this thread continuing, because between insults and point scoring the substantial matter is largely dodged.

The topic is an important one, but I don't see any attempt to replace it doing better. I can already imagine the "Brexit hasn't happened yet so all comments are pointless" forming a good part of the comments.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 26 Jul 18 - 01:43 PM

Well we could try Brexit Mark 2.

In it we would all agree to keep to the subject matter, Brexit, avoid all personal comments, foul language and point scoring.

I would gladly sign up to that, how many others?

PS I am still waiting for Iains or Nigel or Stanron to make any comment on the governments proposal to stockpile medical supplies and food. Two days have now passed and no mention has been made by them.

Am I correct to assume that even they are concerned by this latest pronouncement.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 26 Jul 18 - 01:52 PM

I would.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 26 Jul 18 - 02:30 PM

I have missed the news today but am aware there has been a meeting in Brussels but havee found no reports in the media as yet. Has any progress been made.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Jul 18 - 02:31 PM

Rag,
PS I am still waiting for Iains or Nigel or Stanron to make any comment on the governments proposal to stockpile medical supplies and food. Two days have now passed and no mention has been made by them.

I answered it. They must have decided it was covered.

Here is my reply again if you missed it,


"There is nothing to say. It is a sensible precaution but may prove unnecessary.
I acknowledged some time back that there were precautions the government should take.
"DMcG, there are preparations to be made, but not at household level. Raab said on Marr today (Sunday last) that the government is making all necessary preparations" "

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Jul 18 - 02:33 PM

I have missed the news today but am aware there has been a meeting in Brussels but havee found no reports in the media as yet. Has any progress been made.

Brussels rejected out of hand May's suggestion of us collecting EU charges.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 26 Jul 18 - 02:48 PM

Here is one report.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 26 Jul 18 - 03:35 PM

Better out than in!


https://order-order.com/2018/07/03/meps-vote-reject-transparency-second-salary/

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 26 Jul 18 - 03:38 PM

"I cannot for the life of me understand why mods would rather close an entire thread and punish us all when a red card and then a kick in the arse when it is ignored would do the job"

They probably don't like to think of you having to stand up all the time because of a sore ass.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 26 Jul 18 - 03:44 PM

Thank you DMcG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Jul 18 - 03:12 AM

LATEST IN THIS FIASCO

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 27 Jul 18 - 03:50 AM

I think Tom Peck in the Independent captured the problem quite well, even though his is essentially a humorous column:

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What better way than for the new Brexit secretary to show how things would be more grown up now than to set up his first day of negotiations in Brussels with an opinion piece in the Daily Mail which he described as his "Brexit war cry".

When the sole purpose of your visit is to sell Theresa May’s pre-collapsed Chequers "agreement" to the EU, the one that involves convincing the EU we can definitely be trusted to collect their import taxes for them even as we simultaneously threaten not to give them the £39bn we’ve already agreed to pay, why not kick things off with a nice war cry?

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Leaving the levity out of it, persuading someone you can be trusted while backtracking on an earlier - provisional - agreement is a hard sell.