Subject: RE: St Georges Day What are you doing? From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 26 Mar 05 - 07:34 AM There is a link in the DT file to a midi. No source is named for tune or text, but both are much as printed in The Oxford Book of Carols, though the chorus has been shortened and the tune is four bars short to match. |
Subject: RE: St Georges Day What are you doing? From: The Borchester Echo Date: 26 Mar 05 - 08:28 AM It was said much higher up but just to refresh, the only place to be after all these daytime St George activities is Ceilidh Aid at the Kentish Town Forum where so many brilliant artists will be foregoing their fee to help victims of the tsunami. |
Subject: RE: St Georges Day What are you doing? From: Hand-Pulled Boy Date: 26 Mar 05 - 08:36 AM On St.George's day it should be made legal to be able to slay a dragon so that a man can 'live happily ever after'. |
Subject: RE: St Georges Day What are you doing? From: Flash Company Date: 26 Mar 05 - 09:20 AM GUEST, Greycap, is Tony Martin originally from the Bristol area, or is this another Tony Martin? FC |
Subject: RE: St Georges Day What are you doing? From: The Unicorn Man Date: 26 Mar 05 - 01:28 PM Cecil Sharp House seems the place to be, on the 22nd April mind you. "Demon Barber Roadshow" "John Spiers and his mate Boden" and "The Witches of Elswick" WOOOO. |
Subject: RE: St Georges Day What are you doing? From: The Borchester Echo Date: 26 Mar 05 - 01:47 PM The whole week around London is amazing: 21 April: Jim Moray @ ICA 22 Demon Barbers/J&J/Witches @C#H 23 CeilidhAid @ Forum 24 Wizz Jones @ Half Moon (or J&J again @ Hitchin) 25 Blind Boys of Alabama @ Forum 28 Bellowhead @ Scala |
Subject: RE: St Georges Day What are you doing? From: GUEST,Greycap Date: 27 Mar 05 - 02:16 AM Hey, Flash Company, He's originally from the Birmingham area, don't think it's as far South West as Bristol. He's not a gun-toting farmer, either. |
Subject: RE: St Georges Day What are you doing? From: Flash Company Date: 27 Mar 05 - 09:31 AM Thanks Greycap, just that I knew a banjo picking Bristolian called Tony Martin once in another life. Last I heard of him he was busking in Dublin! Maybe still is. FC |
Subject: RE: St Georges Day What are you doing? From: GUEST Date: 27 Mar 05 - 10:27 AM 'Sounds of St George Tour' dates: The Wardrobe, Leeds 20th April, (Box Office 01535 661991) Cecil Sharp House, London 22nd April (Box Office : 01535 661991) The Sage Gateshead 23rd April (Box Office 0191 443 4661) All three dates feature: The Demon Barber Roadshow, John Spiers and Jon Boden and the Witches of Elswick. The tour has been created by Yorkshire based artist's collective, Three's Company, and the English Folk Dance and Song Society. Workshops before each concert - for details see: http://www.threescompany.org.uk/ Details for Workshops and Gig at CSH: Workshops in Clog, rapper, Cotswold and group singing 5.00-7.00 Doors open for concert: 8.00, 8.30 start Tickets: Workshop £6 Concert £12/£8 concessions Venue at EFDSS: 020 7485 2206 |
Subject: RE: St Georges Day What are you doing? From: MurkeyChris Date: 27 Mar 05 - 04:12 PM Les, are you sure you're seeing Eliza Carthy as she's playing Ceilidh Aid that night?! Is she squeezing in two gigs? I'll be a Ceilidh Aid and with that line-up and all proceeds going to charity it really is the place to be! Although almost as tempting are Boka Halat in Bracknell. Chris |
Subject: RE: St Georges Day What are you doing? From: Ebbie Date: 27 Mar 05 - 05:35 PM Seems like you in the UK have a great many more days that you commemorate that we do in the US. Why is that? Is it only because the US dropped those days in the 'new world' or does it mean that we somehow lost the figures for which they were named and commemorated? (Incidentally, just what in mythology brought on the story of the Dragon?) In Alaska USA we have some paid state holidays no one else has, namely Seward's Day (for when Alaska was purchased from Russia) and Alaska Day for when the US flag was first run up the pole in Sitka. But I still envy you all those esoteric holidays... |
Subject: RE: St Georges Day What are you doing? From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 27 Mar 05 - 06:21 PM St George's Day isn't a state holiday, though there has been occasional pressure to make it one (at one point, sadly, from the Conservative party; they wanted to abolish May Day because they thought it was Socialist). It happens to fall on a Saturday this year, though, so a lot of people won't have to go to work. The intention now is to reinstate the day as a celebration that everybody can enjoy and be part of, and reclaim it from right-wing elements who have tried to hijack it as some kind of separatist symbol. George being patron saint of so many different places and things presents all sorts of opportunities for celebrating English traditional culture as part of a much bigger, international thing. I do hope that nobody thinks of dyeing the beer red, though. |
Subject: RE: St Georges Day What are you doing? From: LesB Date: 27 Mar 05 - 06:25 PM Murkey Chris, we were talking Good Fri at that point, & she was great. Les |
Subject: RE: St Georges Day What are you doing? From: Fay Date: 01 Apr 05 - 04:36 PM Flapping about up and down the country for the Sounds of St George tour. For those not in London it would be a good weekend to visit with us on Fri and Celidh aid on Sat, if its too far though, we are in Newcastle on the day (23rd), and in Leeds on the Weds before (20th) if you want to start your celebrtions early! Fay xx |
Subject: RE: St Georges Day What are you doing? From: GUEST,Quentin Date: 01 Apr 05 - 06:00 PM San Jordi in Catalunya, where I'll be. (by luck). The tradition there is to give a red rose and a book to ones lover. I have no idea why, but I think it's great! |
Subject: RE: St Georges Day What are you doing? From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 13 Apr 05 - 06:51 PM |
Subject: RE: St Georges Day What are you doing? From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 13 Apr 05 - 06:53 PM I'm going to eat a curry, drink a few pinmts of Giunneess and wahtch my simpsons videos. |
Subject: RE: St Georges Day What are you doing? From: Leadfingers Date: 13 Apr 05 - 07:27 PM P J O'Reilly's in Marlow Bottom ( south of High Wycombe) has a Saint Georges day evening session starting at 2000 hours !! |
Subject: RE: St Georges Day What are you doing? From: mandoleer Date: 13 Apr 05 - 07:47 PM Well, I'll be in the same place as LesB, but with another side and only playing not dancing. |
Subject: RE: St Georges Day What are you doing? From: LadyJean Date: 13 Apr 05 - 11:30 PM There's a program of Indian dances at the Warhol Museum that Saturday, and I'm going. There's a little irony in that. Of course I always wear my Russian St. George and the Dragon pin on his day. I collect St. George and the dragon. I have him in laquer on a pin from Russia, in cast iron from Barcelona, on buttons from Austria, and of course on linen from England. I'm more inclined to side with the dragon. But George is OK. |
Subject: RE: St Georges Day What are you doing? From: Wilfried Schaum Date: 14 Apr 05 - 03:11 AM Addition to my post of 26 Mar 05 - 07:04 AM: Since I have found out in the meantime that St George is also the patron of archers, I'll have another drink to the memory of my ancestor whose excellent archery during the 2nd crusade earned him our family's coat of arms. |
Subject: RE: St Georges Day What are you doing? From: Snuffy Date: 14 Apr 05 - 08:55 AM I thought Sebastian was patron saint of archers! |
Subject: RE: St Georges Day What are you doing? From: Wilfried Schaum Date: 14 Apr 05 - 09:12 AM For most topics there are more patrons than one only! - St George: Aragon; agricultural workers; archers; armourers; Beirut, Lebanon; Boy Scouts; butchers; Canada; Cappadocia; Catalonia; cavalry; chivalry; Constantinople; Crusaders; England (by Pope Benedict XIV); equestrians; farmers; Ferrara Italy; field hands; field workers; Genoa Italy; Georgia; Germany; Gozo; Greece; herpes; horsemen; horses; husbandmen; Istanbul; knights; lepers; leprosy; Lithuania; Malta; Moscow; Order of the Garter; Palestine; Palestinian Christians; plague; Portugal; riders; saddle makers; saddlers; skin diseases; skin rashes; soldiers; syphilis; Teutonic Knights; Venice - St Sebastian: archers, armourers, arrowsmiths, athletes, bookbinders, diseased cattle, dying people, enemies of religion, fletchers, gardeners, iron mongers, lacemakers, laceworkers, masons, plague, police, racquet makers, Rio de Janeiro, soldiers, Spanish police officers, stone masons, stonecutters - And St Christopher: archers, automobile drivers, automobilists, bachelors, boatmen, bus drivers, cab drivers, floods, fruit dealers, fullers, hailstorms, holy death, lorry drivers, mariners, market carriers, motorists, porters, Rab Croatia, sailors, storms, sudden death, taxi drivers, toothache, transportation, transportation workers, travellers, truck drivers, truckers, watermen |
Subject: RE: St Georges Day What are you doing? From: Snuffy Date: 14 Apr 05 - 09:30 AM But Sebastian is the only one whose pictures always show him with his arrows! |
Subject: RE: St Georges Day What are you doing? From: Wilfried Schaum Date: 14 Apr 05 - 11:46 AM Who minds? |
Subject: RE: St Georges Day What are you doing? From: mandoleer Date: 14 Apr 05 - 07:14 PM Do all these saints get a say in who they are going to be patrons of, or are they just landed with it and told to get on with the job? As a non-Christian I've always been a bit puzzled by saints. |
Subject: RE: St Georges Day What are you doing? From: 8_Pints Date: 14 Apr 05 - 08:09 PM The Alma, Cottonstones near Halifax (Pete Coe's Club). Spring Sing starting at mid-day until evening "Closing time!" ;-) Bob vG |
Subject: RE: St Georges Day What are you doing? From: GUEST,Steve Date: 14 Apr 05 - 08:51 PM Morrissing in Ledbury, and then to the Talbot for a few pints, and tunes/songs. "cry god for Harry, England and St George" Wassail! Steve |
Subject: RE: St Georges Day What are you doing? From: Torctgyd Date: 15 Apr 05 - 10:32 AM Surely St Sabastian should be the patron saint of targets rather than archers? T |
Subject: RE: St Georges Day What are you doing? From: GUEST,Humphrey Scourge of Folkies Date: 15 Apr 05 - 10:46 AM There be none of this nonesense in my pubs You will all sit quietly and be gretful |
Subject: RE: St Georges Day What are you doing? From: Wilfried Schaum Date: 18 Apr 05 - 03:08 AM mandoleer - they often are landed with their patronage by the way of their martyrium i. e. how they were put to death: - Apollonia: After her teeth were broken with pincers, she was given the choice of renouncing Christ or being burned alive; she lept onto the fire herself. Patronage: dentists, toothache - Florian: a stone tied to his neck, and dumped into a river. Patronage: ..., against fire, ..., barrel-makers, brewers, ..., coopers, drowning, fire prevention, firefighters, [against] loods, ... [He was originally a patron of things or persons connected with water; since water was the main medium for extinguishing fires, he became patron of firefighters, too] - Nicholas of Myra: Generous to the poor, and special protector of the innocent and wronged. Many stories grew up around him prior to his becoming Santa Claus. Some examples: * Upon hearing that a local man had fallen on such hard times that he was planning to sell his daughters into prostitution, Nicholas went by night to the house and threw three bags of gold in through the window, saving the girls from an evil life. These three bags, gold generously given in time of trouble, became the three golden balls that indicate a pawn broker's shop. * He raised to life three young boys who had been murdered and pickled in a barrel of brine to hide the crime. These stories led to his patronage of children in general, and of barrel-makers besides. * Induced some thieves to return their plunder. This explains his protection against theft and robbery, and his patronage of them - he's not helping them steal, but to repent and change. In the past, thieves have been known as Saint Nicholas' clerks or Knights of Saint Nicholas. * During a voyage to the Holy Lands, a fierce storm blew up, threatening the ship. He prayed over it, and the storm calmed - hence the patronage of sailors and those like dockworkers who work on the sea. Patronage: against imprisonment, against robberies, against robbers, apothecaries, bakers, barrel makers, boatmen, boot blacks, boys, brewers, brides, captives, children, coopers, dock workers, druggists, fishermen, Greece, Greek Catholic Church in America, Greek Catholic Union, grooms, judges, lawsuits lost unjustly, longshoremen, Lorraine, maidens, mariners, merchants, murderers, newlyweds, old maids, parish clerks, paupers, pawnbrokers, perfumeries, perfumers, pharmacists, pilgrims, poor people, Portsmouth England, prisoners, Russia, sailors, scholars, schoolchildren, shoe shiners, Sicily, spinsters, students, thieves, travellers, unmarried girls, watermen - Nicolaus Nepomucenus (not in the Calendar any more): thrown from the bridge of Prague. Patronage: bridges [on many bridges old and new in Bohemia and Germany his statue can be found] I hope these few examples show how the saints got their patronages. |
Subject: RE: St Georges Day What are you doing? From: Emma B Date: 18 Apr 05 - 02:29 PM St George will also be performing throughout the day in Chester supported by Chester Morris Men.......liquid refreshment - that other great British tradition - available at numerous hoatelries..... |
Subject: RE: St Georges Day What are you doing? From: TheBigPinkLad Date: 18 Apr 05 - 04:08 PM Pie and Mash at our house. Drop by. |
Subject: RE: St Georges Day What are you doing? From: GUEST,Guest Date: 18 Apr 05 - 05:58 PM 'nother birthday for me Cake will be hotter than a dragons breath! |
Subject: RE: St Georges Day What are you doing? From: mandoleer Date: 18 Apr 05 - 07:03 PM Thanks, but I still can't understand how someone that has presumably performed the necessary miracles and been sainted for a few hundred years can be suddenly de-sainted. Does that stop them from performing any more miracles as their licence has been taken away? |
Subject: RE: St Georges Day What are you doing? From: Wilfried Schaum Date: 19 Apr 05 - 02:42 AM Don't ask me. Ask the CONGREGATIO DE CAUSIS SANCTORUM. I'm no catholic either. |
Subject: RE: St Georges Day What are you doing? From: Little Robyn Date: 19 Apr 05 - 04:03 AM Wilfried, (and Malcolm), the Furry Day Carol in the DT has some words very similar to the Halanto from Helston, particularly verse 3 which is like part of the chorus of the Halanto, and verses 5 and 6, but the midi tune is (to my ear) a hybridisation of the Helston Furry Dance tune. FURRY DAY CAROL Remember us poor Mayers all! And thus we do begin -a, To lead our lives in righteousness Or else we die in sin-a. With Holano, Holanto, Holanto, Sing merry with Holanto, We have been rambling half the night And almost the day-a, And now, returned back again, We've brought you a branch of May-a. O, we were up as soon as day, To fetch the summer home-a, The summer is a-coming on, And the winters a-gone-a. Then let us all most merry be, And sing with a cheerful voice-a, For we have good occasion now, This time for to rejoice-a. Saint George he next shall be our song: Saint George, he was a knight-a, Of all the men in Christendom, Saint George he was the right-a. God bless our land with power and might, God send us peace in England, Pray send us peace both day and night, For ever in merry England. In Baring-Gould's 'Songs of the West', the edition that C# revised and edited, the Halanto words are also set to the Furry Dance tune. The notes at the end say, "The Helston Furry Dance tune was printed in Davis Gilbert's "Christmas Carols," 2nd edition, 1823. His form is purer than ours, which is as now sung*. Edward Jones had already published it in his "Bardic Museum," vol. ii (1802) as "The Cornish May Song," and George Johnson in his "Welsh Airs," vol. ii (1811)." I would be very interested in finding this version, if anyone has a copy of Gilbert's book. *That is definitely NOT the way the tunes are played today. The Halanto has a very different tune and the Watersons recorded a version of it many years ago, which we learnt and sang until were sick of it. But even that is not the way it is performed in Helston these days. I understand that the Halanto died out for awhile, early last century, and was only revived much later. So is today's Halanto tune the original or some creative work by a revivalist about 50-70 years ago? Should the Halanto words really fit to the dance tune or is the current tune a really old one? The dance tune, or variations of it,can be found in other carols and even as Morris tunes such as the Castleton Garland Dance and Winster Processional. It appears to be a very widespread tune. But does it really belong with the Halanto song? What will I be doing? I was just going to stay home in front of the computer but then the Wellington Morris people announced a dance-out at my old home town (4 hours drive from here) and I couldn't resist. So I'm off to dance on Petone Beach! (Or, at least, play the music for them to dance.) Robyn, from Petone |
Subject: RE: St Georges Day What are you doing? From: ConcertinaChap Date: 19 Apr 05 - 04:56 AM I shall be in Southern Sweden at the Scandinavian Squeeze In, concertina in tow. I shall be running a St George's Day English tunes workshop. |
Subject: RE: St Georges Day What are you doing? From: Wilfried Schaum Date: 19 Apr 05 - 06:51 AM faulty information in my post of April 15: Not Nicolaus, but Iohannes Nepomucenus (John Nepomucene). He's still in the calendar. In the last century the calendar of saints was purged, some saints were taken out. But not the congregational saints, i.e. saints who were sanctified by the bishop of Rome (aka The Pope) after a trial to prove their miracles. The pre-congregational saints, often from the Eastern church, are sometimes more than legendary. One of them is St. George, but no pope in his right senses would dare to depreave the English of their Saint. |
Subject: RE: St Georges Day What are you doing? From: GUEST Date: 19 Apr 05 - 06:24 PM We had a perfectly good patron in St Edmund. Who needs this Norman import? |
Subject: RE: St Georges Day What are you doing? From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 19 Apr 05 - 06:51 PM I'm raising dragons in my basement. They should be mature enough for next year's day. Dave Oesterreich |
Subject: RE: St Georges Day What are you doing? From: Chris Green Date: 19 Apr 05 - 06:54 PM Was it the Normans who made St George England's patron saint? I always thought it came back with the Crusades, which surely would mean it was the Angevins or Plantaganets? |
Subject: RE: St Georges Day What are you doing? From: Leadfingers Date: 19 Apr 05 - 08:09 PM We are doing a Bloody Banquet , but I hope to get to PJ O'Reilly's for a late drink ! |
Subject: RE: St Georges Day What are you doing? From: GUEST,Leadfingers Date: 20 Apr 05 - 07:35 PM But i will keep this up to give el Ted a chance !! |
Subject: RE: St Georges Day What are you doing? From: A Wandering Minstrel Date: 21 Apr 05 - 08:04 AM As he is the patron saint of us archers our club shall attempt to shoot a full St. George round of 144 arrows (bearing in mind that the opening range of 100 yards is a very long way) Then we shall probably drink a few pints. |
Subject: RE: St Georges Day What are you doing? From: A Wandering Minstrel Date: 21 Apr 05 - 08:08 AM Oops, I find that a St George is in fact only 108 arrows, 3 doz at 100 yards 3doz at 80 yards and 3 doz at 60 yds. Still a prodigious amount of shooting though. |
Subject: RE: St Georges Day What are you doing? From: GUEST,Flamenco ted Date: 21 Apr 05 - 11:22 AM Thanks Lead,but I reckon a clone will delete my 100th post and give it to you because I am pro fox hunting. |
Subject: RE: St Georges Day What are you doing? From: GUEST,Flamenco ted Date: 21 Apr 05 - 11:23 AM Goodness! Does our touchy-feely Government still allow archery? This must be banned! |
Subject: RE: St Georges Day What are you doing? From: GUEST,flamenco ted Date: 21 Apr 05 - 11:24 AM 99 |
Subject: RE: St Georges Day What are you doing? From: GUEST Date: 21 Apr 05 - 11:30 AM 100 |
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