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Counting Songs

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Subject: Counting Songs
From: Matthew B.
Date: 26 May 99 - 07:27 PM

I was wondering how many counting songs people could remember from their childhoods (or later).

Besides the well-known 100 Bottles of Beer, (more on that in a moment), I've known a Passover Song (Chad Gadya), a Gospel Song (the title escapes me) and others. Songs have been a way to teach counting for a lot longer than books have.

Any examples out there?

Now, about that 100 bottles...

I have a version that applies to my profession, and goes like this:

100 bugs in the program code
100 bugs in the code
Fix one bug and re-compile
101 bugs in the code

...and so on.


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Subject: RE: Counting Songs
From: Susan of DT
Date: 26 May 99 - 07:33 PM

We have 13 songs under @cumulative, including only one of the many 12 days of Christmas we have, so there are definately more (try xmas12* for these). they are not necessarily numbers, but...


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Subject: RE: Counting Songs
From: campfire
Date: 26 May 99 - 07:43 PM

On the same order as "100 bottles..." there is

100 Miles to go, a hundred miles to go,
we'll walk a mile then rest a while, 99 miles to go...etc.

campfire


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Subject: RE: Counting Songs
From: alison
Date: 26 May 99 - 09:28 PM

Hi...

1,2,3,4,5 once I caught a fish alive
6,7,8,9,10 then I let him go again
Why did you let him go? Because he bit my finger so
Which finger did he bite? This little finger on the right

3 litle speckled frogs sat on a speckled log
eating some most delicious bugs.. yum, yum
one jumped into the pool, where it was nice and cool,
then there were 2 green speckled frogs
etc. etc.

3 jellyfish, 3 jellyfish, 3 jellyfish, sitting on a rock
One jumped off (AWWWWWWWWHHHHHH)

2 jellyfish............

continues until they all jump off, a verse of "No jellyfish" then, "one jumped on (YEEEEAAAAAAHHHHHH)" etc.

Is this the sort of stuff you were after? this is what my 3 & 5 year olds sing to me..... (although I remember the first one from when I was small).

Slainte

alison


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Subject: RE: Counting Songs
From: okscout
Date: 26 May 99 - 11:47 PM

Well, there is still the politically incorrect One little two little three little Indians, Four little, five little six little Indians, Seven little eight little nine little Indians, Ten little Indian boys.

Then it reverses, Ten little, nine little, etc.

Nancy


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Subject: RE: Counting Songs
From: ok
Date: 26 May 99 - 11:48 PM


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Subject: RE: Counting Songs
From: okscout@cwix.com
Date: 26 May 99 - 11:54 PM

How about

The ants go marching one by one, hurrah, hurrah! The ants go marching one by one, hurrah, hurrah! The ants go marching one by one, The little one stopped to suck his thumb and they all go marching down to the ground to get out of the rain Bum, bum bum bum bum bum bum,

The ants go marching two by two And the little one stops to tie his shoe,

Three, scratch his knee Four, shut the door, Five, jump and jive Six, pick up sticks Seven, pray to heaven Eight, close the gate Nine, read a rhyme Ten, begin again Etc. Enough!

Nancy


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Subject: RE: Counting Songs
From: Barbara
Date: 27 May 99 - 12:03 AM

Green grow the Rushes-O
Five Contstipated Men
Seven old Ladies
One hen, two ducks, three...
Seven Joys of Mary
The Keeper did a Hunting Go
Blue Pigeons
what's Bill D's song about the Wet PIgs?
Mow a Meadow
One man's hands
There's a song about the Widow and the Devil
(where she'd sell her soul to be satisfied)
Oh, did you say, kids' songs?
There's a start, anyway.
Blessings,
Barbara


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Subject: RE: Counting Songs
From: lloyd61
Date: 27 May 99 - 12:29 AM

From "Love Somebody, Yes I Do"

Twice sixteen's thirty two Twice sixteen's thirty two twice sixteen's thirty two Sally won't you have me? Do, gal, Do.

Twice 24, 48 Twice 24, 48 Twice 24, 48 Saw you kissing on the Garden Gate

Twice 55, 110 Twice 55, 110 Twice 55, 110 Saw you kissing the Old Gray Hen.


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Subject: ADD: Ten in the Bed - Roll Over
From: Night Owl
Date: 27 May 99 - 12:36 AM

Not sure of the name of this song but....
    " There were ten in the bed; and the little one said; Roll Over, Roll Over;
    So they all rolled over; And one fell out;

    There were nine in the bed; And the little one said; Roll Over, Roll Over;
    So they all rolled over...." etc.


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Subject: RE: Counting Songs
From: campfire
Date: 27 May 99 - 01:01 AM

Ah yes, Night Owl - I remember that one too, now.

There's also:

Three little angels, all dressed in white
Tried to get to Heaven on the end of a kite
The Kitestring broke and down they all fell
Instead of going to Heaven, they all went to

Two little angels......

One little angel.... Instead of going to heaven, they all went to

Three little devils, all dresses in red
Tried to get to Heaven on the end of a thread
Thread-string broke and down they all fell
Instead of going to heaven they all went to

Two little devils....

One little devil, all dressed in red
Tried to get to Heaven on the end of a thread
Tread string broke and down they all fell
Instead of going to Heaven they all went to BED!

campfire


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Subject: RE: Counting Songs
From: Barbara
Date: 27 May 99 - 01:38 AM

Dublin City:
There were twenty, eighteen, sixteen, fourteen, twelve, ten, eight, six, four, two, none;
Nineteen, seventeen, fifteen, thirteen, eleven, nine, seven, five, three and one.
Round and round the wheel of fortune
Where it stops wearies me
Fair maids they are so deceiving,
Sad experience teaches me.

Little white duck
Inch Worm
Children Go Where I send Thee
Going Up the Valley one by one
Roll me over in the Clover

Blessings,
Barbara


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Subject: RE: Counting Songs
From: JB3 (inactive)
Date: 27 May 99 - 03:27 AM

Barbara, as you probably know, there are a couple more verses;

As I was walking thru Dublin City
About the hour of twelve at night
Twas there I saw a fair pretty maid
Washing her feet by candle-light

First she'd wash and then she'd raise them
'Round her shoulders she pegged a towel
And in all me life I ne'er did see
Such a fine young lass upon my soul


The chorus is sung with that unusual counting backwards by 2's; even, then odd numbers. I've always supposed it represented the red and black numbers on the roulette wheel. I've heard this sung to a fast rollicking tune in English folk clubs. The version I know is a slow modal tune, as sung by Burl Ives on an old '78 my parents had. It's one of the family favorites.
June


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Subject: RE: Counting Songs
From: MudGuard
Date: 27 May 99 - 03:37 AM

Does seven drunken nights count here?
It does not count numbers, but days of the week...
Andreas


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Subject: RE: Counting Songs
From: Matthew B.
Date: 27 May 99 - 08:24 AM

Wow! These are great.

But I'm surprised that nobody mentioned This Old Man.

Night Owl, your mention of the "Roll Over" song has made it occur to me that there must be a great wealth of counting songs that girls sing when they jump rope.

Do any of you girls (or former girls) have any examples?


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Subject: RE: Counting Songs
From: MMario
Date: 27 May 99 - 08:41 AM

What was the one that was done a lot on "Captain Kangaroo"?

Seven little Bunnies?


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Subject: RE: Counting Songs
From: Bert
Date: 27 May 99 - 10:24 AM

When playing "two ball" (That's the game with two tennis balls which were bounced against a wall), my sisters used to sing...

One, two, three, O'Lairy
Four, five, six, O'Lairy
seven, eight, nine, O'Lairy
Ten, O'Lairy over ball.

Bert.


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Subject: RE: Counting Songs
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 27 May 99 - 01:20 PM

From the seamier side of life, there's:

Roll me Over (in the clover)

and My Baby Rocks Me With a Solid Beat


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Subject: RE: Counting Songs
From: Jo Taylor
Date: 27 May 99 - 07:13 PM

...How about those with words in place of numbers, but used for counting, ie:

Eeny meenie miny mo
Catch a ****** by his toe,
If he hollers let him go
Eeny meenie miny mo

Eeny meeny macaraca
Rare rye dominaca
something something something (help!)
Om pom push!

One potato, two potato, three potato, four
Sure there are loads more...?
Jo


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Subject: RE: Counting Songs
From: Matthew B.
Date: 27 May 99 - 09:33 PM

Jo -

I was in my twenties before I found out that Eeeny meeny was a racist song in the original. All through my childhood, my friends and I used "catch a tiger by the toe" and never heard it any differently in all that time.

But I don't really think of it as a "counting" song, per se. It's a rhyme used for random selection. By "counting" songs I was referring to those songs that actually played a par in teaching children about numbers.

Even so, I wouldn't condsider the song One is the Loneliest Number to be a counting song, although I kind of think of the song In the Year 2525 as a sort of makes-you-think-about-math-just-a-bit kind of tune.


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Subject: RE: Counting Songs
From: alison
Date: 27 May 99 - 10:23 PM

Hi,

we did have a reasonably long thread on "skipping" or "jump rope" songs but I did a search over the lst year and couldn't find it... must have been before then....

anyone else remember what it might have been called?

slainte

alison


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Subject: RE: Counting Songs
From: okscout@cwix.com
Date: 27 May 99 - 11:19 PM

Honey, you can't love one, Honey, you can't love one, You can't love one and still be fun So I'm leaving on the midnight train La-dee-dah, oh boy, toot, toot!

Honey, you can't love two, etc. And still be true So I'm leaving on the midnight train La-dee-dah, oh boy, toot, toot!

Honey, you can't love three And still have me, etc.

Honey, you can't love four And still want more, etc.

Five and stay alive, etc.

Six and still play tricks, etc.

Seven and get to heaven, etc.

Eight and stay out late, etc.

Nine and still be mine, etc.

Ten so kiss me again and forget about the midnight train, La-de-dah, oh boy, toot, toot!

Yeah!

Nancy


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Subject: RE: Counting Songs
From: Bert
Date: 28 May 99 - 08:57 AM

Jo,

Our version went


Immenacka rickerracka
Rare rar dominacka
chicka bocka, bocka chicka
om pom push!

Bert.


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Subject: RE: Counting Songs
From:
Date: 28 May 99 - 05:34 PM

Thank you Bert, that's obviously closely related but that wasn't it... any others? Matthew, sorry I went a bit off topic but it just reminded me of the eeny meeny macaraca one - my sister used to say it, I'll have to write to her in Oz & ask!
Jo


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Subject: RE: Counting Songs
From: JZG
Date: 28 May 99 - 05:45 PM

"Eeny meeny miney mo" may not function as a counting song, but I'm told those first four words are indeed counting words, corresponding to "one, two, three, four" in an archaic British dialect (a system used for counting sheep, I believe). Perhaps historically-inclined UK correspondents will know more ...

Anyway, I assume that means some version of the rhyme predates the "original" racist second line, which I assume must have come from America?

Jonathan


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Subject: RE: Counting Songs
From: Cap't Bob
Date: 28 May 99 - 08:18 PM

then ther is:

Five little monkeys jumping on the bed, one fell off and broke his little head. Momma kall the doctor and the doctor said: "no more monkey business jumping on the bed"

Good for children and some adults!

Cap't Bob


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Subject: RE: Counting Songs
From: Susan A-R
Date: 28 May 99 - 10:33 PM

The Bluebird Song.
The chorus goes:

One, you'll have sorrow, Two you'll have joy
Three, get a present, four, get a boy
Five, receive silver, six, receive gold
Seven, a secret that's never been told
Eight, a love letter with promises three
Nine means a true love, as true as can be.

I seem to remember something that started "Three, Six, Nine, the goose drank wine." Sorry, that's as far as that one goes.

Over in the Meadow,

Don't know HOW I remember this one, but as for jump-rope songs . . .

Down in the meadow where the green grass grows,
There sits (girl's name here) pretty as a rose
Along came (boy's name here) kissed her on the cheek
How many kisses does she get in a week?

(Somehow we always ended up counting this one by fives. Guess we were desperate little 9 year olds.)

Susan


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Subject: RE: Counting Songs
From: JB3 (inactive)
Date: 29 May 99 - 02:03 AM

Chickadee

Five little chickadees perched by the door
One flew away and then there were four

(CHO) Chickadee, chickadee, fly away,
Chickadee, chickadee, happy and gay(x2)

Four little chickadees perched in a tree,
One flew away and then there were three

(CHO)

Three little chickadees a'lookin' at you
One flew away and then there were two

(CHO)

Two little chickadees perched in the sun
One flew away and then there was one.

(CHO)

One little chickadee perched all alone
He flew away and then there were none.

(CHO)

This is a fun song to teach children numbers 1-5. It has an infectious rhythm that kids seem to love. I learned this one from Jenny Armstrong and kids at a Knoxville Dance Festival many moons ago.


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Subject: RE: Counting Songs
From: Night Owl
Date: 29 May 99 - 02:21 AM

An alphabet song we used to use with jumprope and/or bouncing a ball....
"A my name is Alice
My husband's name is Al
We come from Alabama
and we all love Apples

B my name is Barbara
My husband's name is Bob
we come from Boston
and we all love Beans." etc. We also had a counting jumprope/bouncing ball song...I can't remember the beginning verse, but after it, we simply counted from one until a mistake was made. Anyone remember the verse?? Susan A-R...it may have been the one you quoted..but I also seem to remember doing yours by fives instead of from one. Wondering if kids still do this stuff now.


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Subject: RE: Counting Songs
From: alison
Date: 29 May 99 - 03:24 AM

Hi again,

Three, Six, Nine, the goose drank wine,
The monkey chewed tobacco on the ?street car line
The line broke, the monkey go choked
and they all went to heaven in a little row boat
clap hands etc...... (this made it into the UK charts sometime in the 80's I think....)

Here's one of those keep counting while you skip ones.

Cinderella, dressed in yella
Went upstairs to see her fella
How many kisses did she get? 1,2,3 etc.... rope gets faster

Over here in Oz we've got "5 little Joeys jumping on the bed".....

slainte

alison


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Subject: ADD: Three Chartreuse Buzzards
From: Joe Offer
Date: 29 May 99 - 04:03 AM

THREE CHARTREUSE BUZZARDS

Three chartreuse buzzards
Sitting in a dead tree.
Look! One flew A-Way!
What A shame!

Two chartreuse buzzards
Sitting in a dead tree.
Look! One flew A-Way!
What A shame!

One chartreuse buzzard
Sitting in a dead tree.
Look! One flew A-Way!
What A shame!

No chartreuse buzzards
Sitting in a dead tree.
Look! One has RE-turned!
Let us RE-joice!

One chartreuse buzzard
Sitting in a dead tree.
Look! One has RE-turned!
Let us RE-joice!

Two chartreuse buzzards
Sitting in a dead tree.
Look! One has RE-turned!
Let us RE-joice!

Three chartreuse buzzards
Sitting in a dead tree.

(You may want to add a suitable buzzard noice in each verse after "dead tree.")

-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Counting Songs
From: Matthew B.
Date: 29 May 99 - 10:38 AM

Wow, these are great!

I started reading your contributions to my wife, and she was able to name some of her own, since after all, she does have the world's cutest job: she teaches dance to public school students, kindergarten through second grade.

A variation on the "roll over" song:
Five lttle monkies jumping on the bed
One fell off and bumped [broke] his head
Momma called th doctor and the doctor said
"No more monkies jumping on the bed.

And here's a gem from an album, What's in the Sea? by Lois Skiera-Zucek


At the bottom of the sea, I saw one worm
One worm, one very little worm
At the bottom of the sea, I saw one worm
Surry scurry scurry away

..two turtles

...three eels

Three eels, two turtles, one worm

Cho: One, two, three at the botom of the sea Surry, scurry away from me One, two, three at the botom of the sea Surry, scurry away from me

...four crabs
...five fish
...six seals

Cho

...seven sharks
...eight skates
...nine snails

Cho

At the bottom if the sea I saw ten men
They asked me if I'd sing it again.


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Subject: RE: Counting Songs
From: Jeri
Date: 29 May 99 - 11:12 AM

Johnathan's words about "eeney, meeney" sent me off on an internet toot, the result being the discovery of a web page with possibly all of the Waterson's song lyrics at Watersons
For textophiles, thats http://hum2mac1.murdoch.edu.au/watersons/links.html

The counting song I was looking for is The Lincolnshire Shepherd at this place
http://hum2mac1.murdoch.edu.au/watersons/lincolnshire.html

Yan, tan, tethera, tethera, pethera, pimp.
Yon owd yowe's far-welted, and this yowe's got a limp
Sethera, methera, hovera, and covera up to dik,
Aye, we can deal wi' 'em all, and wheer's me crook and stick?


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Subject: RE: Counting Songs
From: Penny S.
Date: 29 May 99 - 03:13 PM

Sussex shepherds' counting, of sheep in twos:

one-erum, two-erum,
cockerum, shoe-erum
sitherum, satherum
wineberry, wagtail
tarrydiddle, den.

which makes twenty, a score on a stick.

Though my great grandad was a shepherd on the South Downs, I got this from a book, possibly by Bob Copper. I use it at school to count the children into the swimming pool - to their amusement. I heard one saying to another "which one are you?" and comparing where they were in the chant.


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Subject: RE: Counting Songs
From: Felipa
Date: 29 May 99 - 04:42 PM

the longest one I know is
There was a thousand -legged worm and he began to squirm
"Has anybody seen a leg of mine?"
If it can't be found I'll have to look around for the other ninehundred ninety-nine
Look around, look around, for the other 999
If it can't be found I'll have to look around for the other ninehundred ninety-nine

There was a thousand -legged worm and he began to squirm
"Has anybody seen a leg of mine?"
If it can't be found I'll have to look around for the other ninehundred ninety-eight
Look around, look around, for the other 998
If it can't be found I'll have to look around for the other ninehundred ninety-eight
[and so on]...


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Subject: RE: Counting Songs
From: JB3 (inactive)
Date: 30 May 99 - 03:24 AM

I've a one man, I've a two men to mow down the meadow
I've a three men, I've a four men to carry the hay away
Me four, me three, me two, me one and all lots more
To mow the hay, to carry it away
On a beautiful midsummer's morn.

I've a five men, I've a six men to mow down the meadow
I've a seven men, I've an eight men to carry the hay away
Me eight, me seven, me six, me five
Me four, me three, me two, me one, and all lots more
To mow the hay, to carry it away
On a beautiful midsummer's morn.

Don't know the name of this one, heard it sung by a folk group called Spinning Wheel. Seems to be related to "One Man Shall Mow My Meadow" tho the tune is bouncier.


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Subject: RE: Counting Songs
From: Philippa
Date: 30 May 99 - 05:27 AM

it seems I learned (in N Ireland) a much simplified version of JB3's contribution:
One man went to mow, went to mow a meadow
One man and his dog, went to mow a meadow

Two men went to mow, went to mow a meadow
Two men, one man and his dow, went to mow a meadow

Three men... three men, two men, one man and his dog (etc)

(the pattern reminds me a bit of the Rattling Bog or The Old Woman who swallowed a fly - but those don't count numbers


There were ten in the bed and the little one said "roll over, roll over"
So they all rolled over and one fell out
There were nine in the bed and the little one said:
"Please remeber to tie a know in your pyjamas,
Single beds were only meant for [shouted:]one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight,
[sung]Nine in the bed and the little one said...
....there were eight in the bed and the little one said,
"Please remember...single beds were only meant for 1, 2, 3,4, 5, 6, 7,
Eight in the bed....


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Subject: RE: Counting Songs
From: gaelicconquest
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 07:44 PM

Excellt-keep it up


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Subject: RE: Counting Songs
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 07:51 PM

To easy... try:

19, 17, 15, 13
11, 9, 7 an' 5, 3, 1
20, 18, 16, 14
12, 10, 8, 6, 4, 2, none.

Round and round go the wheels of fortune
Round and round till it wearies me
Young lassie's hearts are so uncertain
Sad experience teaches me

Jon


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Subject: RE: Counting Songs
From: mooman
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 07:51 PM

More mental arithmetic than counting....

As I was going to St Ives
I met a man with seven wives
Each wife had seven sacks
Each sack had seven cats
Each cat had seven kits
Kits, cats, sacks and wives
How many were there going to St Ives?

....if I remember it correctly (it's been a long time!)

mooman


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Subject: RE: Counting Songs
From: Bert
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 10:35 PM

One, two, three O'lairy
My ball's down the Airy
Don't forget to give it to Mary
Not to Charlie Chaplin.

Then there's

Ten green bottles hanging on a wall
Ten green bottles hanging on a wall
And if one green bottle should accidently fall
There'll be nine green bottles, hanging on the wall.


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Subject: RE: Counting Songs
From: Kaleea
Date: 03 Jul 01 - 01:16 AM

One two, buckle my shoe, three, four, shut the door, five, six, pick up sticks, seven, eight, lay them straight, nine, ten, a big fat hen. Start to count all over again. One, two . . .

and then there's . . .

There was one, there were two, there were three little angels, there were four, there were five, there were six little angels, there were seven, there were eight, there were nine little angels, ten little angels in the band. On wasn't a band, Sunday morning, wasn't it a band, Sunday morning, wasn't it a band, Sunday morning, Ten little angels in the band.

and who can forget:

One elephant went out to play . . .


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Subject: RE: Counting Songs
From: Lyndi-loo
Date: 03 Jul 01 - 04:56 AM

Five currant buns in a baker's shop
Round and sticky with a cherry on the top
Along came (insert name) with a penny one day
Bought a currant bun and took it away

Four currant buns etc
There's also a Scottish one which begins
Three craws sat upon a wa'
sat upon a wa but I don't know the rest of it


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Subject: RE: Counting Songs
From: The Cat's Whiskers
Date: 03 Jul 01 - 05:29 AM

I think we used to sing this at Girl Guides, accompanied by silly bum-bashing during the "boom boom boom" bit... Hmmm...

Alice the camel has 10 humps Alice the camel has 10 humps Alice the camel has 10 humps So go Alice, Go

(boom boom boom)

Alice the camel has 9 humps...

Until...

Alice the camel has no humps Alice the camel has no humps Alice the camel has no humps So ALICE IS A HORSE!


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Subject: RE: Counting Songs
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Jul 01 - 01:39 PM

I think the sheep counting went yan tan tethera pethera pimp (yes, I am serious)


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Subject: RE: Counting Songs
From: Penny S.
Date: 03 Jul 01 - 06:31 PM

I have a set of sheep counting rhymes, several being variations on the British (as in Welsh) which gave rise to the yan tan tethera sequence above. I hoped they were on the hard disk, but they are obviously elsewhere. I don't, unfortunately have the provenance for them. I azlso have a set of counting out rhymes, some of which are probably related, either by being derived from the sheep rhymes, or from the original number words. I used them only the other week in school, so I'll post them if anyone's interested. I thought I got them here, so I may not be able to find where I got them from.

Numerically, they are interesting, as they use a five, rather than ten base for the words (apart from the Sussex one above), once past ten.

Yan tan tethera pethera pimp Sethera methera hovera covera dick Yanadick tanadick tetheradick petheradick bunkin Yanabunkin tanabunkin tetherabunkin petherabunkin ......

Bunkin is definitely one of the 15 words. I can't remember 20, and it's not one that can be derived from the others.

Penny


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Subject: RE: Counting Songs
From: Penny S.
Date: 03 Jul 01 - 06:36 PM

Yan tan tethera pethera pimp
Sethera methera hovera covera dick
Yanadick tanadick tetheradick petheradick bunkin
Yanabunkin tanabunkin tetherabunkin petherabunkin ......

I should emphasise that the above is NOT necessarily an exact version of a collected rhyme. It is reeconstructed from the ten words above in the thread, plus "bunkin", which is one of a group of similar words, such as "bumfit" and "bumfrey", according to the rule by which all the versions I have were apparently generated. Thew source I used actually omitted "bunkin" from one of the versions, and I ask the children to find out what the missing word is. Soem of them can do it.

Penny


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Subject: RE: Counting Songs
From: Penny S.
Date: 03 Jul 01 - 06:40 PM

Twenty could be "diggit", I now recall. And my source was the foot of some poetry books called "Junior Voices" published I think by Pelican. One word per page, One verse per book.

Penny


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Subject: RE: Counting Songs
From: Lyndi-loo
Date: 04 Jul 01 - 07:16 AM

The verse above is very interesting as the numbers nearly all sound like paraphrased Welsh

1== Un (pronounced een)
2 = Dau (prodounced Die)
3 = tri (tree)
4 = Pedwar (pethera in the verse)
5 = pump (pronounced pimp)
10 = Deg (dick in the verse)
After ten we have

11=Un ar ddeg (which means literally one and ten) and so on. the word "petheradick" could be pedwar a ddeg (14)The word "Bunkin" could be pumtheg (15)


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Subject: RE: Counting Songs
From: Hawker
Date: 04 Jul 01 - 03:02 PM

That counting is also very akin to the Cornish -
onan
dew
tri
peswar
pymp
hwegh
seyth
eth
naw
deg

Others not so far mentioned (I think) are

When I was one I plyed the drum
The day I went to sea,
I jumped on board a pirate ship
And the captain said to me
We're going this way, that way, that way, this way
Over the Irish sea,
A bottle of Rum
To warm my tum
And that's the life for me.....

When I was two I lost my shoe the day I went to sea etc....
When I was three I ate my tea etc...
When I was four I ate some more etc. etc. etc.

Four wheels on my wagon!

Oh theres loads more! I'll have to go away and rack my brains!
Lucy


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