BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: mandotim
Date: 07 Feb 10 - 05:53 PM

What accusations? All I see is statements of fact, as evidenced by the following;
Your " poetry sucks "
It has been posted repeatedly before
It is full of bigoted and racist statements
That which isn't racist is often incredibly juvenile
It is obvious to most that you have limited knowledge of the world, especially considering your supposed travels.

One thousand and one, cleans a big, big carpet
For less than half a crown!

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: s&r
Date: 07 Feb 10 - 06:07 PM

I think we should have mixed rugby teams, with men and women taking part. Both women and men could have tender parts protected


Stu

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 07:36 AM

Is that your idea of "flower power", Stu - ladies with cauliflower ears?!

I only played a bit of rugby league during high-school P.E., and touch during primary-school lunchtimes - preferring, in particular, tennis and football...

As this poem shows, I really enjoyed my visit to Italy, but still think that the appointment of Fabio Capello, as Manager of the England football team, is a disgrace to two nations; and that FIFA should change the rule such that managers can only manage their OWN nation...

Poem 16 of 230: A BEAUTIFUL STAGE

If a couple, with plans to wed,
    Asked me, off the top of my head,
For somewhere I thought well in-tune
    As a place for a honeymoon,
It would have - flashing back - to be
    Beautifully-honed Italy.

(C) David Franks 2003
From WalkaboutsVerse

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: mandotim
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 08:03 AM

I played in a Rugby Union match against a women's team once, in a charity game. I've never come off a pitch so bruised and battered, before or since. The loose scrums were absolute carnage, and the women seemed to think there was only one part of the male anatomy that could be targeted for foul play. Never again.

Back to WAVworld; how would your change of FIFA rules square with EU laws on free movement of labour, WAV? At present, your proposal would be unlawful. Or would you change those laws too? How will you go about gaining agreement among the member states?

A review of your oft posted crap (above);
Your " poetry sucks "
It has been posted repeatedly before
It is full of bigoted and racist statements
That which isn't racist is often incredibly juvenile
It is obvious to most that you have limited knowledge of the world, especially considering your supposed travels.

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: Smedley
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 08:38 AM

I would like to nominate this:

"the most monstrous dipshit of an asswipe on the face of the planet"

as the Finest Insult of 2010. I know we still have ten and a bit months to go, but I very much doubt that its lustre will be eclipsed.

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: s&r
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 08:49 AM

Perhaps you're right David - men can display scars as part of their machismo and women should be kept indoors to protect their tender skin. Your approach to the sexes seems either old Prussian or Taleban I'm not sure which.
In my world a woman has the same rights as men: for example I don't particularly like tattoos: I have no wish to prevent either men or women having them.
My personal likes, dislikes, foibles, whims and prejudices don't give me any right to impose them on anyone else. It's to do with freedom, tolerance, equality, inclusion, acceptance, democracy and similar concepts.
It seems that a number of catters value these concepts, and thus relect the idea of a totalitarian nad repressive isolationist regime which you preach with some sort of misplaced missionary zeal.
I wish you were as fair, balaced and even-handed as you would like to be.

Stu

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: Tom - Swords & Songs
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 09:24 AM

Maybe what we see as misogyny, you think is chivalry?
It is a fine line between getting a girlfriend and essentially locking your genitals away for all time.

Maybe that's what this whole poetry lark is about? Are you on the pull, WAVmastergeneral?

Casanova Tom


PS
(Your poetry sucks
It has been posted repeatedly before
It is full of bigoted and racist statements
That which isn't racist is often incredibly juvenile
It is obvious to most that you have limited knowledge of the world, especially considering your supposed travels. )

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 12:30 PM

Tim - we agree on something: your "never again".
And "Back to WAVworld; how would your change of FIFA rules square with EU laws on free movement of labour, WAV? At present, your proposal would be unlawful. Or would you change those laws too? How will you go about gaining agreement among the member states?"...I've said many times before, Tim, these days, apart from some local government, all any citizen of our world needs is their own nation and the U.N. - the E.U. should, along with the U.K., be dissolved.

"Perhaps you're right David - men can display scars as part of their machismo and women should be kept indoors to protect their tender skin. Your approach to the sexes seems either old Prussian or Taleban I'm not sure which." (Stu)...when I was playing the above-mentioned junior football, there were NO girls teams, and no parents complaining about it - attitudes have changed very rapidly the last few decades, certainly NOT always for the better. (And the same for you, Tom.)

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: s&r
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 12:39 PM

When I was a child my mother along with many other women worked in jobs that had traditionally been done by men. This was called the war effort: it dispensed with the idea that women were weak frail things to be protected and nurtured.

I think respect and affection are good replacement for the patronizing attitudes displayed in many of your posts - including the last one.

You don't get it do you?

Stu

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 12:51 PM

I do get that, Stu, and mentioned it in a brief talk at the Sage Gateshead, called "ANYONE for tennis?": in war-time females had to do relatively heavy tasks on farms and shop-floors - it was needs must.

For what it's worth, I think females playing football is probably okay (although chesting the ball is a bit of a worry), but rugby definitely NO, in my opinion.

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 12:59 PM

...and you know what I mean, Rapper-the-Casa-Tom.

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: Will Fly
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 01:13 PM

For what it's worth, I think females playing football is probably okay (although chesting the ball is a bit of a worry), but rugby definitely NO, in my opinion.

Hee hee! That sentence says it all, doesn't it? It demonstrates your sexism, your paternalism and your stupidity. I wonder what the "females" would say about it? Who on earth are you to say whether "females" should or should not play any particular sport?

I'd love you to meet the women students' rugby team at the university where I used to work - I think they might like to ask you some pertinent questions about chesting the ball.

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: Melissa
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 01:24 PM

I especially like the way this theory on a Woman's Place comes from a guy who doesn't have a job.

Surely men in this theory have a Place too?
Traditionally, that was the Workplace..

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: mandotim
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 02:46 PM

WAV; we certainly do NOT agree on anything. How dare you presume that I share your bitter, misogynistic, racist views? I said that I would not play in such a violent game again, not that women should not play rugby. If women wish to play rugby (or any other sport) then it is entirely their choice, which should be respected by the rest of us. Who would make these rules about what women can and can't do? Men? Men like you? Just you? I think I understand now, WAV. You can't get women to do what you want, so you want the law and society to help give you power over women. Have you thought about joining the Taliban? Their laws and culture seem much better suited to your views than do those of England. Grow up, WAV, learn to be a proper man and treat women properly.
Your political views about nationhood and the roles of international organisations are juvenile and ridiculous. If you were able to think objectively about things, you might start to see some realities, rather than the BNP and UKIP fuelled fantasies you come up with. Add to this the SPAW doctrine, and the full richness of your delusional state becomes apparent;
Your " poetry sucks "
It has been posted repeatedly before
It is full of bigoted and racist statements
That which isn't racist is often incredibly juvenile
It is obvious to most that you have limited knowledge of the world, especially considering your supposed travels.

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 05:06 PM

Frankly, I've never studied medicine, but when this was discussed before, someone, more calm than the last few, posted that females who play football do wear chest protection...okay, but rugby is a very heavy contact sport, and I stand by what I said above.

And, as I say, it's not me deluding himself about how far backward my stance on this is - not long ago, females could not run a marathon, netball was invented as a NON contact sport for females, and they were competing at it and NOT football, let alone rugby.

I think that there are lots of things fine for both sexes, but the very new idea that women can do ANYTHING is wrong.

Melissa - if people stop questioning my repatriation ("why on EARTH did you come back" or "you must be mad", at interviews - obviously, WITHOUT me mentioning any political views), it will be a lot easier for me to get back to work; and, if and when that happens, and I see a female about to lift a 25kg bag of raw material, I will be as insistent as possible to lift it myself.

Tim, as I've told you before, for starters, I'm a positive English nationalist/republican, who hates imperialism - the BNP and UKIP are both pro-monarchy; and, as I said before, I'm not a member of any political party.

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: Melissa
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 05:18 PM

I don't care whether you work or not, David. It's none of my business.

I just don't think it's any of your business what women do with their time or their bodies. Surely you've heard the expression "practice what you preach" and in this case, what you preach is a distinct line that separates his/hers.

IF you think women should follow the guidelines you insist on repeating, the least you could do is Practice what you Preach and make sure YOU are filling your role as Man while pointing at women.

---
With all the threads complaining about immigrants getting all the jobs, it does seem like you ought to be able to find something if you're looking.
Maybe you're too choosy?

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 05:28 PM

I'm qualified as a manufacturing production manager, but also go for supervisor posts, as well as admin. jobs, even though I've only ever worked on shop-floors. Furthermore, everything I've done so far on the poetry/folk scene has been as an amateur, but, if offered a full gig I can get to, I'll have a go..."too choosy?" Melissa.

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: Melissa
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 05:42 PM

At the risk of being too subtle, I think I'll refrain from wondering why the would-be-employers might not view your skills and abilities as highly as you do.

I was only stopping by the WAViary to see what's going on..with no intention of staying around. I do that occasionally to remind myself how much I hated some of the 'workshop' courses at school.

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: Amos
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 05:54 PM

If your manufacturing skills on on a par with your poetics, sir, you should take up Ludditism.



A

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 03:40 AM

If offered a FULL GIG ? what !!! a full gig of your juvenile inane drivel, get real or better still get help.

Dave H

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 04:13 AM

My friend is a North West morris dancer. She also sings traditional songs, and plays rugby. She's about 23 years old and gorgeous - no cauliflower ears, but she does have long blonde hair. And whether it was dancing, singing, or sport, she'd kick your arse, WAV.

Just sayin'.

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 04:32 AM

Amos: I've done well in examinations - that's a fact.

"kick your arse", Ruth?...where does the rain in Spain tend to fall?

As I say, apart from basic first aid, I've not studied medicine, but I just looked this up - Contact Sports and Breast Cancer.

I'll go get my daily ditty now...

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: mandotim
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 04:37 AM

If you are an English Nationalist, WAV, the BNP and UKIP would welcome you with open arms, irrespective of your views on the monarchy. Thinking about it, your views are similar to those espoused a long time ago by a National Socialist Party. Try reading William Shirer's book 'The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich', it's a fabulous book, an easy read and you'll recognise a lot of it.
How long have you been unemployed,WAV? I've been unemployed in recessions before, but I've never taken more than a couple of weeks before sorting out some kind of employment as a stop-gap while I looked for a better job. Never claimed benefits either. How about you? Or are these uppity women taking all the 'men's' jobs?
Re; protection. Male athletes in many sports also wear protection. Did you watch the Superbowl? Did you see the Six Nations games? Every player wore some kind of anatomical protection. Why the obsession with women protecting their breasts? Or perhaps it's just an obsession with breasts...
Furthermore;
Your " poetry sucks "
It has been posted repeatedly before
It is full of bigoted and racist statements
That which isn't racist is often incredibly juvenile
It is obvious to most that you have limited knowledge of the world, especially considering your supposed travels.

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 04:47 AM

I've told you many times before, Tim, I hate imperialism - be it Nazi, Victorian, or any other. But, frankly, I'd have to check google to see if females are playing American football, or not..?

In Lancashire, England...

Poem 118 of 230: WHALLEY ABBEY...WHAT TALES? - AUTUMN 2000

Cistercian monks have clearly been -
    Their Abbey's ruins can still be seen;
And, sounding for centuries before,
    Calder flows have passed - seeking the shore.
Lords of the grounds have, more lately, stayed -
    Their manor houses reused and unscathed.
Through beautiful gardens insects fly -
    The ruins of folk just a pass-by;
And, by viaduct, trains pass above -
    Folk thereby viewing a town I love.
Anglers and C. of E. delegates,
    Hikers and tourists, have crossed the gates...
Opportunistic masons, kings-men,
    Model makers, Turner, and men who pen...
Perhaps the witches came down from the hill,
    And do ghosts haunt - still questing their fill..?

(C) David Franks 2003
From WalkaboutsVerse

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 04:53 AM

"How long have you been unemployed,WAV? I've been unemployed in recessions before, but I've never taken more than a couple of weeks before sorting out some kind of employment as a stop-gap while I looked for a better job. Never claimed benefits either. How about you? Or are these uppity women taking all the 'men's' jobs?"

Oh, he's confirmed in the past that if it wasn't for people like me (being foreign AND a woman) taking all the jobs, people like him would be much more likely to be in employment. And he resents it like hell. I have to say, as a foreigner who has lived in this country for 20 years, I've not ever taken any kind of benefit either. I have asked in the past which he thinks better benefits Britain: someone like me, who works hard and contributes to the economy and the tax system, or a "re-pat" such as him, who seems to have been out of work and leeching resources from the state for years? But it's a question (like so many others) that he won't answer.

You can't always get a job in the area you're qualified in. Sometimes, if the work prospects are poor, you need to re-train. And in the meantime, take whatever job is going. When I was re-training for my current career, I had two part time jobs - one was in an editorial office, but the other was in my local pub in the evenings. I've also waitressed, done supply teaching...needs must, you know? So are there no pubs near where you live? No restaurants? If you can hump around 25 kilo bags of stuff (as you keep telling us you'd do in place of any woman), couldn't you get a manual job? I can't help thinking that any activity that brought you into contact with more people, and out of your four walls where you sit around all day dreaming up this misogynist and racist garbage and compulsively posting it on-line, would be a good thing.

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: mandotim
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 04:54 AM

WAV, National Socialism in it's inception was anything but imperialist. That said, their views on culture, national boundaries, race, economics and world order were remarkably similar to what you've posted here. Go on, read the book; it's 1100 pages or so, but you're not doing anything else worthwhile at the moment, are you? You might learn something, especially about why there is such implacable opposition to you here. Then I might not have to post things like;
Your " poetry sucks "
It has been posted repeatedly before
It is full of bigoted and racist statements
That which isn't racist is often incredibly juvenile
It is obvious to most that you have limited knowledge of the world, especially considering your supposed travels.
PS; women have been playing full-contact American Football for over 40 years, using the same protective gear as the men.

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 04:55 AM

By the way: yes, women do play American football.

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 05:06 AM

You either don't believe it or missed it just above, Tim and Ruth:
at interviews, far too often, I get not "Why did you come back?" but "Why ON EARTH did you come back?!" or "You must be mad" - someone who is "mad" should NOT be supervising people and machines. I hope and pray that English soon stop questioning my repatriation and start questioning the extreme pro-immigrationism of New (over the border Scots) Labour.

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 05:22 AM

' "Why did you come back?" but "Why ON EARTH did you come back?!" or "You must be mad" - someone who is "mad" should NOT be supervising people and machines.'

So you actually take a flippant "You must be mad!" in an interview to mean that they literally think you are mad, and THIS is the reason why you don't get work? I've had various people over the years tell me I must be mad to have emigrated to Britain from America. I don't think they were actually suggesting I was certifiable - it's just a turn of phrase.

You've been using those exact examples for several years, WAV. When was the last time someone "questioned" your re-patriation in an interview and told you that you must be mad? How many times has it actually happened in an interview context? Just wondering.

You still haven't told us why you can't apply for work in a pub or a shop, which would help to wean you off benefits and might be a good social bridge, too. You also haven't responded to the idea that, when people can't find work in their chosen profession, they often have to re-train and learn to do something else. There are various government schemes to help with this.

You can rail against immigration all you like, WAV, but just remember: it's MY taxes, and the tax of other immigrants like me, that have been paying your way for years. It's okay - you don't have to thank me.

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 05:28 AM

Ruth: I get that line of questioning AND someone else gets the opportunity. If all the employed and unemployed production managers in my field were examined, I would be confident. And, to repeat, I hope and pray that English soon stop questioning my repatriation and start questioning the extreme pro-immigrationism of New (over the border Scots) Labour.

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: mandotim
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 05:32 AM

I've never asked you why you came back, WAV. Are you saying that the only reason (in your view) that people turn you down for supervisory jobs is that they think you are mad for coming back? Don't you think that there might just possibly be other reasons? Perhaps some things you could take responsibility for, and work towards improving, so you become more employable?
Read the book I recommended WAV; it really is a good read, written by a fine journalist who was there at the time. It might help you to understand the outrage that so many of your ideas provoke; your ideas on women, for example, are very akin to the Kinder, Kirche, Kuche ideal for German women in the Nazi years, and your thoughts on
cultural segregation are echoed strongly in the speeches of various Nazi luminaries. I'm not calling you a Nazi, WAV, so please don't reply in those terms; I just think you haven't made the intellectual connection between your views and those that have gone before. Rewad the book.
A quick review of your'poem' as posted above;
Your " poetry sucks "
It has been posted repeatedly before
It is full of bigoted and racist statements
That which isn't racist is often incredibly juvenile
It is obvious to most that you have limited knowledge of the world, especially considering your supposed travels.

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: mandotim
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 05:35 AM

That should read 'read the book', sorry for the typo.

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: Davetnova
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 05:35 AM

Mr. Franks, You may not like New Labour, but for your information most Scots don't either, which the Labour Party in Scotland has now discovered. However much more damage, some of it punitive, ie the Poll Tax, was done by the Conservative Party under Englishwoman Margaret Thatcher, I don't know if she played tennis or not.
Both McDonalds and Tescos are quite accepting of those who are not the full shilling, perhaps you could try them. In the meantime spout about the English if you want but leave My country out of it. Inthe meantime perhaps you would like to see some wonderful pictures of Your world - http://www.howtobearetronaut.com/2010/02/stunning-colour-film-of-1920s-london/
- Yours with sincere sympathy for your disabilities - Dave T.

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 05:48 AM

Wavey:

I will try again. Have you thought about re-training? There are various government schemes that would help with this.

Have you tried to get a job locally in a shop or a pub? This would help to wean you off benefits.

When was the last time you went for an interview in manufacturing and someone said you were mad for coming back? How often has that actually happened, and do you really believe that this is the reason you have not been a successful candidate?

Do you not find it something of a paradox that it's the taxes of immigrants like me that are paying your way, while you sit on your arse at home moaning about immigration and compulsively spamming the internet with your "life's work"?

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: GUEST,Stu
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 06:12 AM

My own experience is not unusual: I was redundant from a senior post at 45; I couldn't get a job at the same level. I set up a business as a technical writer and industrial photographer. This business ran successfully for a number of years.

I retrained as a teacher and now earn a healthy living teaching music. I have been out of work for a total of six days since leaving school. I am not unusual. Many of my friends have shifted careers successfully.

It does mean that you have to evaluate the skill you have that are saleable. Out of date degrees don't cut it.

What's wrong with getting a job as a fork lift truck driver? Or filling shelves at supermarkets? Assistants at B&Q All honourable ways of earning a living. Run your own business, drive a taxi, lecture part time t your local FE college.

The world is not your enemy. You don't get jobs because you are not the most suitable candidate. Your qualifications and experience do not impress the interviewer as muc as the qualifications and experienc of the successful candidate.

Stu sans cookie

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 06:21 AM

I haven't read that book, Tim, but understand that there are/have been very different national socialists - Ghandi versus Hitler, e.g. Nationalism with conquest is bad, but positive nationalim, with eco-tourism and fair-trade, and a stronger U.N., is good for humanity.

I've answered the others but, Davetnova, I should add that if Blair and Brown knew better, they'd be members of the good S.N.P., that I do respect and support the likes of Alex Salmond, and that I've greatly enjoyed my VISITS to Scotland.

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 06:30 AM

"I've answered the others"

You haven't answered my questions, or Stu's.

I will try again. Have you thought about re-training? There are various government schemes that would help with this.

Have you tried to get a job locally in a shop or a pub? This would help to wean you off benefits.

When was the last time you went for an interview in manufacturing and someone said you were mad for coming back? How often has that actually happened, and do you really believe that this is the reason you have not been a successful candidate?

Do you not find it something of a paradox that it's the taxes of immigrants like me that are paying your way, while you sit on your arse at home moaning about immigration and compulsively spamming the internet with your "life's work"?

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: Davetnova
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 06:31 AM

You miss the point, the Labour Party were always the party the Scots tru...... Oh whats the point? I'm not joining the bearbaiting.

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 06:39 AM

There was a young man from Australia
His verse was an absolute failure
When asked how he can sir
I have only one answer
Involving follicled male genitalia.

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 08:26 AM

"You haven't answered my questions, or Stu's"...wrong, Ruth.

"Have you thought about re-training?" Ruth...with 4 technical certificates in manufacturing and a degree in humanities, I think I'm very employable, and, previously pressed, HAVE already detailed my VARIOUS attempts.

"Do you not find it something of a paradox that it's the taxes of immigrants like me that are paying your way"...no: there has been a lot of pro-immigrationsim, as I HAVE already said, under New (over the border Scots) Labour, and (one thing we can all agree on) I'm the opposite - a repatriate.

And, again, if anyone, including you Ruth, on the folk/poetry scene would like me to do a full paid gig, I'll have a go - I try to get through my repertoire (listed on the left-side) once per week, with keyboards and English flute/tenor recorder.

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 08:36 AM

I'm afraid that neither your poetry, your playing nor your singing are of a standard that I would ever book you, David, paid or unpaid. You have pressed me on this before. I'm sorry.

The problem is that all of your certificates and your degree clearly AREN'T making you employable in your chosen field, and haven't done for some time. So why are you so resistant to trying another career path?

'"Do you not find it something of a paradox that it's the taxes of immigrants like me that are paying your way"...no: there has been a lot of pro-immigrationsim, as I HAVE already said, under New (over the border Scots) Labour, and (one thing we can all agree on) I'm the opposite - a repatriate.'

But my point is, David, that the difference between you and me is that, regardless of where either of us was born, I am working. I am paying my taxes - income, council etc. When my daughter was old enough to go to school I went back to university and re-trained for the career I have now, and did crap part-time work in the meantime so that I was still contributing. I have never taken a penny in benefit from this country. Do you not see the fundamental irony of sitting on your arse, on the dole, and railing about immigration, when it's partly our labours that keep a roof over your head and put food in your mouth?

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: Davetnova
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 08:39 AM

I would prefer it if you stopped ascribing New Labour to the Scots. New Labour is a UK political movement and many of its adherents are english, it was designed to woo the voters of middle England. I am finding your idiotic utterances and continued avoidance of answering questions, both New Labour traits, increasing offensive.

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: folkandroots
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 08:45 AM

"And, again, if anyone, including you Ruth, on the folk/poetry scene would like me to do a full paid gig, I'll have a go - I try to get through my repertoire (listed on the left-side) once per week, with keyboards and English flute/tenor recorder."

I don't want to interrupt but the above does seem to represent a general problem in so far as some people think they have a right to a paid gig/to obtain a booking without a) putting the work into build up an audience (as the artists would know - this can often take years) or b) being of the necessary standard.

I have no idea what you're public performances are like Walkabout but what guarantee would you be able to offer to a potential promoter that you could attract an audience and provide a good night for the potential audience?

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: mandotim
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 09:03 AM

As usual, WAV, when anyone suggests you put some effort into something yourself rather than demand that others do, you bottle out. You clearly don't understand anything about National Socialism (not 'nationalism'). Read the Shirer book, then you might just understand why people on Mudcat (and quite possibly at interview) find you and your views so repellent. Or have you retired from reading as well as 'versification'?
About paid gigs; I've seen your attempts at performance on your website. As a performer, WAV, you're not even as good as Florence Foster Jenkins, with all that implies. You can't sing, and your recorder playing is a joke. There is no venue that I can think of that would pay a penny to stage one of your performances.
You think you're employable; if you actually have been trying to get a job, then clearly potential employers disagree with your opinion. Time to retrain, and perhaps revise your opinion of yourself? But no; that would involve you actually doing something, wouldn't it?
You really should listen to Spaw;

Your " poetry sucks "
It has been posted repeatedly before
It is full of bigoted and racist statements
That which isn't racist is often incredibly juvenile
It is obvious to most that you have limited knowledge of the world, especially considering your supposed travels.

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 09:05 AM

"I'm afraid that neither your poetry, your playing nor your singing are of a standard that I would ever book you, David, paid or unpaid. You have pressed me on this before. I'm sorry" (Ruth)...and, when I DO try in other areas (and that's what you keep ignoring), I'm getting the same negative response - with a strong C.V., that DOES include recent retraining here (a country that has been "lead" by pro-immigrationists ever since I did the opposite and repatriated). If you can't understand that, Ruth, you should not be in a position to say yes/no to people - your last few posts ARE confused.

Folkandroots - myspace, which I just linked, placement in a few festival competitions, and, if the BBC do broadcast it, a brief recording at the Sage Gateshead, during the Free Thinking Festival.

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 09:10 AM

That should be "led", sorry; and, Tim, others have posted otherwise re. my pieces.

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: folkandroots
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 09:15 AM

"Folkandroots - myspace, which I just linked, placement in a few festival competitions, and, if the BBC do broadcast it, a brief recording at the Sage Gateshead, during the Free Thinking Festival."

I'm not personally interested one way or the other in listening to your myspace recordings, as good or not as they may be, however back to my point do you seriously think that 'placement in a few festival competitions' and a brief recording at the Sage Gateshead is a good reason for a promoter to spend their time AND MONEY taking a chance on you and do you really believe you would attract an audience to justify that risk, if not why should someone take a chance on you?

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 09:22 AM

Let me make sure I understand: you're saying that, having little success in gaining employment in your chosen field, that your "retraining" consists of learning some songs and playing the recorder, and that your new career path is that of a professional performer?

I say yes/no to people every single day, David - many times. I don't give people a spot because I feel sorry for them or because they have decided that they are now a professional performer and are somehow entitled to it. It is based on talent, professionalism, potential for pulling in an audience...my first obligation is to the festival and our audiences.

If you are saying that I'm confused because I am suggesting that you should go out and earn a living, and you are saying that I should help you to do this by giving you a performance slot, I'm afraid you are labouring under some pretty profound delusions. Many very talented people never make a living from their music or their writing. To suggest that learning to play a few songs on the recorder (quite badly) is the sum total of your attempts to become employable is rather sad.

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 09:28 AM

All I can add, Folkandroots, is participation at clubs/singarounds, and that certainly more than a 100 read/hear, on various sites (my myspace blog is usually about 50), some WalkaboutsVerse each day - but turnout for live gigs is, of course, another matter..?

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: mandotim
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 09:32 AM

So, are you going to read the book or not?
Your " poetry sucks "
It has been posted repeatedly before
It is full of bigoted and racist statements
That which isn't racist is often incredibly juvenile
It is obvious to most that you have limited knowledge of the world, especially considering your supposed travels.