BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist

Subject: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Wesley S
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 12:27 PM

What a hoot. I can only imagine that Glenn Beck's ratings are slipping and he'll do anything to get attention.

But it is an example of free speech. No matter how stupid you think it may be.

MSNBC Story

NEW YORK - Fox News Channel commentator Glenn Beck said he believes President Barack Obama is a racist. Beck made the statement during a guest appearance Tuesday on the "Fox & Friends" morning show. He said Obama has exposed himself as a person with "a deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture."

His remarks came during a discussion of Obama's reaction to the arrest of Harvard University scholar Henry Louis Gates Jr. Gates is black and was arrested for disorderly conduct by a white policeman over a misunderstanding about a break-in at Gates' home.

An Obama spokesman, William Burton, said the White House had no comment on Beck.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 12:36 PM

(sigh)

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: meself
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 12:47 PM

Add another sigh - (sigh).

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Amergin
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 12:53 PM

So Obama really must hate his mother...and grandmother....

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Peace
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 01:21 PM

WTF is Glenn Beck? He own a beer company?

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Amos
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 01:21 PM

Don't forget projection--the remarkable human talent for finding one's own faults in others. Maybe Beck himself has a wild mind full of fire-brand racist impulses. Maybe he himself despises the white culture, whatever that means.

As far as that goes, would that include Polynesians? Finns? Ku Klux Klan culture? Warhol or da Vinci? Azerbajian herder culture? Polish massage parlors? What the hell is he talking about?


A

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 01:45 PM

He's trying to damage Barack Obama. That is what he's talking about. That and nothing else whatsoever.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Peace
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 01:46 PM

Folks, it's FOX News. Think about it.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Wesley S
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 01:50 PM

I'll have to disagree Little Hawk. I think the ONLY thing Beck cares about is his ratings and his own pocketbook.

And yes - it's Fox "news". Consider the source.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 01:51 PM

Oh, well, yeah. Okay, Wesley. ;-) Good point.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: SharonA
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 08:50 PM

"I think the ONLY thing Beck cares about is his ratings and his own pocketbook."

Right you are, Wesley. I remember when he was broadcasting his radio show in Philadelphia PA, before he was syndicated. He was just kinda funny and goofy then, without the high level of rip-roaring rhetoric. But then the siren of ratings lured him, and he found that they spiked whenever he regurgitated right-wing talking points... and the more idiotic the rhetoric, the higher the ratings. Next thing we Philadelphia-area listeners knew, he was moving his home base from Philly to New York City, and moving his home from the Delaware Valley to somewhere in Connecticut. Good riddance to him, I say!

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Riginslinger
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 09:44 PM

"WTF is Glenn Beck? He own a beer company?"

                  Glenn Beck is an idiot. That's pretty much all anybody needs to know about him.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Bill D
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 10:07 PM

Glenn Beck is Fox News' way of keeping ratings up by promoting loud, acrimonious 'debates'.... it is a Demolition Derby done with suits on.

(He was with CNN Headline News for awhile, till he just got too much for them.)

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 12:43 AM

If Don Cherry should die, and Glenn Beck needs a new job or needs to flee the USA for some reason, he can come to Canada and take Don Cherry's part on "Coach's Corner" (a somewhat raucous hockey commentary on TV). Sounds like he could almost fill "the Cherry's" boots...not to mention his sports jackets (which must be seen to be believed).

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 05:43 PM

Glen Beck is the main point of a clever plot to make Hannity and O'Reilly look sane. He's there to lower the bar.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Riginslinger
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 05:56 PM

He gives a new definition to the concept of slime.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Alice
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 06:00 PM

The first time I heard Glen Beck was about 7 years ago, when our local Clear Channel Talk Radio station decided to replace Dr. Laura with Glen Beck. I was surprised that he was popular enough to eventually be on TV, as well as radio. He seemed mostly just an opinionated goof-ball, but maybe I didn't hear enough of what he was really saying back then.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Bill D
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 07:23 PM

Seems to me I remember that Beck was treated years ago for some psychiatric condition. I vaguely remember him claiming it gave him more 'insight'....

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Bill D
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 07:27 PM

Yep,,,there are stories....

http://www.politicalarticles.net/blog/tag/mental-illness-runs-in-glenn-becks-family/

A search on his name and 'treated' or 'mental' gets more stories than you want... he sure gets lots of attention!

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Bill H //\\
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 07:29 PM

Who and how did Glen Beck get a job? Where o where do these leeches come from? Was there not a day when there was a day when there were "journalists" and not these leeches of licentiousness? How sad the days of Murrow and Cronkite are gone and the minute by minute news cycle lead by hordes of horrific panderers exists.

Bill Hahn

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 07:37 PM

Don Cherry. We had him here in Denver for a few years when he coached the Colorado Rockies. The hockey team, not the baseball team. But the Rockies were sold to New Jersey and reborn as the Devils, and Don went back to Canada. While he was here, he made several commercials in a bizarre plaid blazer, accompanied by his bulldog "Blue". A very irritating individual.

Glen Beck started on CNN, and was actually a fairly reasonable commentator, at least in the very beginning. He has gradually moved further to the right and become more edgy, especially after he moved to FOX. Now he's trying to out-Hannity Hannity. He's a kind of a sensitive man's Bill O'Reilly. He likes to interject touching personal stories to shore up his credibility as a real American. The Obama-as-racist ploy is the kind of reversion technique that Limbaugh popularized. Take an insult that is usually used to describe you and your politics, and use it on the opposition. "Feminazis" being a case in point. It is obvious, but often quite effective in putting your target on the defensive, or at least getting their dander up. Nobody but the true believers buy it though, so it is a way of preaching to the choir.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Alice
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 07:54 PM

His start was before he was on CNN...
here is a link to the article Bill D referenced above.
Glenn Beck

".......Beck finally got his big break in 1999. That was the year Clear Channel bought Tampa's WFLA, home to the popular liberal talk legend Bob Lassiter. Lassiter was squeezed out within a year of the sale and replaced by Beck, who jerked Tampa talk radio to the right. He is remembered by locals during this time for his skits depicting Satan writing love poems to Hillary Rodham Clinton, and for dangerously stoking anti-Democrat sentiment in Florida during the tense 2000 election recount........"

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: SharonA
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 08:37 PM

Lonesome EJ and Alice: His start was waaaaay before he was on CNN. The politicalarticles.net story jumps around Beck's timeline a lot; for a more chronological order, try this Wikipedia article.

It was when Glenn Beck's radio program (entitled "The Glenn Beck Program", oddly enough) changed from a local show in Tampa to a nationally-syndicated program launched by Premiere Radio in 2002 that Beck started broadcasting from Philadelphia, PA. As I said before, his format was mainly of the funny-goofy ilk at first, with commentary on local Philly stories as well as national news and the occasional wacky-news story. But gradually Beck got more preachy and started walking farther and farther out on that right wing.

In 2006 he began his show on CNN, and at first he commuted from doing his 9:00am to noon show at the Philly flagship radio station (WPHT 1210 AM) to New York City for his CNN show at 7:00pm. He couldn't keep up that pace for long, so he moved the flagship location to New York City for his radio show. I don't remember exactly when he said his goodbyes to Philly, but for a short while afterward Beck would chat for a bit with Michael Smerconish during his show (6-9 am) as a preview to Beck's show. Smerconish, as some may know, is a moderate Republican (who voted for Obama!), and often his exchanges with Beck got quite heated! Sometimes Beck would start his show obviously still perturbed at Smerconish!! WPHT quietly phased out the chat segment -- at whose behest (Smerconish's, Beck's, or Premiere Radio's) I don't know!

Side note: Now Michael Smerconish is syndicated, but so far it sseems he has no plans to leave Philly for the bright lights of NYC. Often he appears on the Today Show (a 7-9am TV program) as a commentator and, when he does, he is interviewed remotely from his radio studio in Philadelphia. He and his sidekicks always describe the camera crew's setup and breakdown procedures for the benefit of the radio audience, to explain the momentary awkwardness to be heard in the broadcast.

Note: All times described are Eastern (US) Time, a.k.a. Mudcat Time.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Alice
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 08:41 PM

Yes, I know, Sharon, read the article I linked.

Alice

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Bobert
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 08:51 PM

Heck, I'm a friggin' racist, too... Dumbass white people really piss me off... They are an embarrassment to the human race... And there are no shortage of them... The one's that really piss me off are Southern men who have this self righteous little mythology that they are above be ing racist because they have lived with black folks longer... That is the most racist croc of manure that I've heard... No racists, my butt!!!

Yeah, I would hope that Obama, like me, has no need for self righteous dumbass white people... They suck!!!

Yeah, racism is God's way of keeping yer butt outta fist fight and stupid arguemnt with white folks who ain't got no more IQ than a box of animal crackers...

Good on you, Barack... Ain't no negotiating with these people... They are brain dead...

If that is racism, then we need one heck of alot more of it...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: goatfell
Date: 31 Jul 09 - 09:21 AM

aye and they started slavery as well, the white americans should take a look at their history too. Martin Luther King came along and showed what the White folks a thing or two.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: kendall
Date: 31 Jul 09 - 02:15 PM

Actually, it was the Dutch who started the slave trade.

This clown is just another nut case who found a home at Fox Noise.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 31 Jul 09 - 07:43 PM

hey, where else do you find fair, unbalanced news?

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: kendall
Date: 31 Jul 09 - 09:17 PM

Balanced, from right to far right.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: SharonA
Date: 31 Jul 09 - 09:45 PM

Alice: I did read the article you linked. Read the first paragraph of my previous post, where I make reference to that very same politicalarticles.net article! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist Boycott
From: Alice
Date: 22 Aug 09 - 01:08 PM

There is a boycott now of Glenn Beck's advertisers.

You can see a list of them at this Facebook page.

Glenn Beck Boycott, list of advertisers

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 Aug 09 - 01:14 PM

Don't be picking on Mr. Beck- he's one of DougR's heroes. Have a heart!

If Beck goes off the air, Doug will be left with the onerous task of trying to think for himself, instead of mouthing the spew of others.

Of course he'll have Rush & the other buffoons, but it just won't be the same.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Alice
Date: 22 Aug 09 - 01:18 PM

Here is another recent statement on air by Glenn Beck:

6/30/09 Glenn Beck agreed with guest who urged bin Laden to attack U.S. with nuclear weapons: "The only chance we have as a country right now is for Osama bin Laden to deploy and detonate a major weapon in the United States. Because it's going to take a grassroots, bottom-up pressure, because these politicians prize their office, prize the praise of the media and the Europeans. Only — it's an absurd situation. Again, only Osama can execute an attack which will force Americans to demand that their government protect them effectively, consistently, and with as much violence as necessary."

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Ron Davies
Date: 22 Aug 09 - 01:23 PM

Just as long as you act on Alice's link, Greg. This is in fact serious--and we have a chance to make a worthwhile contribution. Sponsors do in fact respond to pressure.   Quite a few have already pulled out of Beck's program. And we can help the process along. Every little bit...

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Lighter
Date: 22 Aug 09 - 01:32 PM

Evidently Beck just nodded attentively.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_07/018878.php

However, one should read Steve Benen's entire Washington Mo. column for the full effect. Particularly the health care part.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Alice
Date: 22 Aug 09 - 01:40 PM

From the Washington Monthly page that Lighter linked to:

'Instead of saying, "That's completely insane," Glenn Beck nodded along, in apparent approval of his guest's ridiculous argument.'

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Alice
Date: 22 Aug 09 - 01:43 PM

So to correct what I posted, the statement about urging an attack by bin Ladin on the US was a guest on Beck's show, former CIA official Michael Scheuer.

Wow... more wingnuts in high places.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Bill D
Date: 22 Aug 09 - 02:00 PM

If I heard corretly, Beck has been suspended by Fox.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Alice
Date: 22 Aug 09 - 02:08 PM

Really? I thought he was just on vacation.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Alice
Date: 22 Aug 09 - 02:46 PM

"Best Buy and Walmart — two big-box retailers that have been sparring lately over which company offers a more "specialty electronics" experience — seem to agree on one thing: Glenn Beck isn't good for business..." the rest of the article here, cepro.com

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Alice
Date: 22 Aug 09 - 03:00 PM

Stephen Colbert sums it up nicely in the Comedy Central VIDEO on that cepro.com page (below the article).

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Alice
Date: 22 Aug 09 - 10:44 PM

From Politico

"Now, Farmers Insurance can be added to that list, a Farmers spokesperson confirms to POLITICO.

"We advertise on Fox News Channel, which places our ads in the Network programming, and we ceased placing on Glenn Beck a week ago," said the spokesperson."

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Riginslinger
Date: 22 Aug 09 - 11:59 PM

If Glenn Beck's ratings go high enough, somebody will probably buy the air time. They buy air time on Oprah!

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: SharonA
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 11:09 AM

What about advertisers on Beck's radio show? Are they dropping away too?

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Alice
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 11:47 AM

From what I've found, Sharon, some of the sponsors dropped both radio and tv ads.

On a Ron Paul web site, it's being called "Becklash". There's no love lost between Ron Paul supporters and Beck, since Glenn Beck slammed Ron Paul during the primaries.

I found this news release from colorofchange.org from back on August 6.
"Three companies who run ads during Glenn Beck -- NexisLexis-owned Lawyers.com, Proctor & Gamble and Progressive Insurance -- today distanced themselves from Beck. LexisNexis has pulled its advertising from Beck and says it has no plans to advertise on the program in the future. Both Proctor & Gamble and Progressive Insurance called the Beck advertising placements an error that they would correct.

    The decision by the three companies comes as over 45,000 ColorofChange.org members call on advertisers to pull their ads from Glenn Beck after the controversial news host called President Obama a "racist" who "has a deep-seated hatred for white people" on "Fox & Friends" last week.

    "Thank you for bringing this matter to our attention," said John Michaels, Senior Communications Manager at LexisNexis in an email to ColorOfChange.org. "We have suspended further advertising during Mr. Beck's program."

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Alice
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 12:21 PM

The Associated Press has a good article on this subject, dated August 21.

"....A total of 33 Fox advertisers, including Walmart, CVS Caremark, Clorox and Sprint, directed that their commercials not air on Beck's show, according to the companies and ColorofChange.org, a group that promotes political action among blacks and launched a campaign to get advertisers to abandon him. That's more than a dozen more than were identified a week ago...."

It goes on to examine the dilemma of advertisers who are trying to reach the most eyeballs, but those programs tend to be the political opinion shows, whether liberal or conservative. They have the viewers, but they also can anger and alienate customers.

Link to the full article
Attack on Obama riles Beck's advertisers

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Alice
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 12:25 PM

If you listen to Beck's radio show, you often hear him talking about end times type of fear, the kind of things that make people buy guns and ammo and stock up on survival supplies, then right after a rant like that, the advertiser selling GOLD as an "safe" investment comes on.

Of course, it's all about Beck laughing all the way to the bank.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: SharonA
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 12:35 PM

"If you listen to Beck's show..."

Hahahahahahahaha..... oh, sorry.

Actually, I used to listen, when he used to broadcast from Philadelphia, before his show was all-political-venom-all-the-time. Now I only hear him by accident when I leave the radio on too long at the end of Michael Smerconish's show. Smerconish, although usually described as a "conservative" talk-show host, is moderate on many issues and voted for Obama (which has alienated many of his ultra-right-wing listeners).

Anyway, thanks for the info, Alice!

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Riginslinger
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 03:41 PM

I listened to him from Philadelphia when I was one a job in Scranton. He used to call Arnold Schwarzenegger a black Jew because he insisted Schwarze was a Jewish name.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Ebbie
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 04:27 PM

I'm dense, Rig - I don't get it. Why would he say that? Ol' Ahnold isn't Black but Austrian. I realize that 'swartze' means black but it could just as easily - and often does - refer to mountains or rivers or minerals or the color of hair on one's head.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: curmudgeon
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 04:46 PM

Think of the outdated (heraldry aside) English term, "blackamoor."

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Ebbie
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 05:34 PM

Still don't get it, Curmudgeon.

black·a·moor (blk-mr)
n. Offensive
A dark-skinned person, especially a person from northern Africa.

[black + -a-, of unknown origin + Moor.]

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Riginslinger
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 07:06 PM

"I'm dense, Rig - I don't get it."

               Ebbie - It makes more sense when it's verbalized. When Glenn Beck verbalizes it, it's suppose to be funny.

                Schwarzenegger:
                Schwarze = Jew
                negger   = ?

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Ebbie
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 07:20 PM

Shows his ignorance on several different levels.

(For what it's worth - I suspect that Glen Beck will not make old bones.)

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: curmudgeon
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 08:11 PM

Both terms/names, "blackamoor and "schwarzenegger" are redundancies, much like the name of actor Peter O'Toole.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: pdq
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 08:37 PM

The man's name is actually from "schwartzen" + "egger", not "schwartz" + "negger". A Negro is "neger" anyway, not "negger".

I don't speak German, but the best translation I can find is here:

"Schwarzen is definitely 'black' and 'egger' almost certainly derives from 'egge' meaning harrow or a tool like a plow. However, my understanding, which is confirmed after consulting with a resident German speaker here, the name actually means a 'plower of black fields' as opposed to a 'black plower of fields'"

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Riginslinger
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 08:50 PM

In any event, Ebbie's right. Glenn Beck is pretty insulting.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Alice
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 08:52 PM

Beck and his fans are not smart enough to know what it means in German.

They just giggle over what it sounds like, and they know what he's implying.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Wolfgang
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 10:06 AM

meaning of "Schwarzenegger":

What pdq writes is not the only possibility.
The name also could be a spelling variant of the more common family name Schwarzenecker and that would be most likely a family name that started as a place name:
(1) a person from Schwarzeneck (some places in Germany and Austria have that name) or
(2) a person from a schwarzen Eck (black corner); in this case "schwarz" would most likely refer to a wood from coniferous trees (like in Schwarzwald/black forest) and the person would come from a corner in/at a coniferous forest.

Mind, that's only another idea, pdq might still be right.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 10:28 AM

Beck can fake tears when he tells of his daughter with Cerebral Palsy and a twisted hand while holding numerous Nazi posters warning that health care for the disabled robs society of its riches.

Beck can fake tears when during his tea bagger rallying cries he sobs that "They have taken our country and we need to take it back on Sept 12th, on 9-12 we will descend on Washington with everything we've got." (as said back in May 09)

Yelling was for creeps like Hitler but yelling and crying and giggling are for the masters of emotional propogandistic ceremonies like Glen Beck.
I knew Glen Beck. Glen Beck was a friend of mine. Mr. Hitler, you are no Glen Beck.




Truthfuully Beck appears to have been trained in emotional psycho neural linguistics. No matter what they call it, the method used does more than sway the guillable, it creates a movement of people who believe they are gathering to kill the evil Fascist Racist Regieme and the President that took over this nation despite the best efforts of good Christians like Sarah Palin and John McCain who fight for Democracy.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 10:52 AM

Bill D

Glen Beck claimed his treatment was for severe alcoholism.

CNN did a touchy feely "Beck" documentary 3 weeks ago with Mr. and Mrs. Beck at home in thier kitchen. Mrs. Beck claimed that she does not agree with many of Glen's opinions but assured the audience that he is no way a brute or evil as some segments of the media have tried to paint him. Glen acted coy and genuinely shocked at the personal attacks he has received.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Joe Offer
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 07:03 PM

This Associated Press article (click) says that advertisers are responding to the boycott, and are dropping their sponsorship of Beck's show. My 94-yr-old mother-in-law, a Beck fan, says this is a violation of Beck's freedom of speech.

I told her that Beck is free to say what he wants - but the corporations don't have to pay him to say it. Of course, I was pretty upset when the corporations dropped their sponsorship of the Smothers Brothers.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Riginslinger
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 07:43 PM

There's a right-wing organization now cancelling their Geico Insurance and flooding the phones of the advertisers who dropped Beck. In the meantime, Beck's ratings are soaring. The advertisers are probably wishing they'd kept their mouth shut. I suspect even if the boycott works this time, they'll never be able to launch another one.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Peace
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 07:54 PM

It's being helped/led(?) by Republican Libertarians. WTF IS a Republican Libertarian? Did I miss something in the '60s?

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Riginslinger
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 09:10 PM

Peace - The way I see it the concept of "Libertarian" has migrated a long way from its original roots. Libertarians originally wanted to be from from government intrusion, now they only want government to intrude when the absence of government has an adverse effect on their bottom line.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Alice
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 10:47 PM

A reference to Bob Dylan caught my eye in this article today from Radio Business Report:

"Bob Dylan's paraphrased words may be a small comfort to Fox and Premiere yakker Glenn Beck...." Click

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Aug 09 - 12:28 AM

Little Hawk feels that playing the public off one another with fear is a divide and conquer strategy. He asks how great it would be if we both dropped our fears.

Perhaps we all need a fearless day proclamation.

But in the meantime the right wing is playing hardball and urging people to violently overthrow the goverment and pointing out that the best way to do that is to strike at the heart of the national socialism that has taken over the United States.

The right feels as though their militia and reverence toward the use of their guns makes them proud right wing terrorists...
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IN FACT a man stood up at a town hall meeting in PA yesterday in front of Republican Congressman Hesh and shouted "I am a proud right wing terrorist" and the Congressmen quickly repoid "Now there is a proud and brave American!" followed by other remarks of admiration.
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Suppose a man in Arab garb said the exact same thing. Suppose Arab dressed men carrying guns outside town hall meetings would also be an expression of freedom?

These are dangerous times made more dangerous by shouting kill Hitler in a "crowded theater".

The game of terrorizing politicians with these antics is orchestrated and prescribed by Dick Morris, Congressmen and Clear Channel jocks. Playing with fire over health care is ironic don't you think?????? Especially in a country as sick as America is right now. I say sick because there are now counter voices to the chanting for death.   
Where is COlin Powell
Where is Oprah"
Where is today's Walter Chronkite to tell people what they need to know instead of what they want to know?

Keith Oberman pointed out that Glen Beck often sounds exactly like a Iranian Mullah when he evokes God to take back the country with every thing you have. "The most important thing you will ever do in your life is to take your country back in God's name so save liberty and democracy for your children! What in God's name is more important than that?"


While the kettle is calling the frying pan "black" or a "socialist fascist tyrant" the administration has kept its cool wonderfully.
Keep it up. Even if you have to keep secret the fact that there are 5 times more threats intercepted by the Secret Service as well as actual crazies who take a shot. Such reporting inspires copy cats and emboldens cowards who no self worth.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Ebbie
Date: 25 Aug 09 - 12:55 AM

"I am a proud right wing terrorist" Donuel

Don, I hope you're not going back to your loose methods- please prove that you are not- please document this charge/statement. The only citations I find are those that lead right back to you.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Joe Offer
Date: 25 Aug 09 - 01:37 AM

Ebbie's right, Donuel. It's best to get your facts straight. The Congressman was Wally Herger, from my neck of the woods in California. He was speaking in Redding, California - the article from one of the local newspapers is here (click). Redding is pronounced the same as the city in Pennsylvania which has a different spelling (Reading), but I think our Northern California Congressmen are far more conservative than those in Pennsylvania. We've got the wackiest of the wackos out here.
Here's an excerpt from the story:

Herger said the federal government does have a limited role to play in health care noting, "We do lots of things that are not in the Constitution."
"There are things we can do with health care, as long as the government is not running it," Herger said.
One speaker said he could trace his ancestors back to the Mayflower and said "they did not arrive holding their hands out for help."
"I am a proud right wing terrorist," he declared to cheers.
Herger praised the man's attitude.
"Amen, God bless you," Herger said with a broad smile. "There is a great American."
The majority of citizens came to the microphone to denounce the health care plan as "socialist" and "a government takeover," but a few, including several from Siskiyou County, spoke in favor of Obama's plan.
Mount Shastan Craig Vivas asked Herger if "health care is a right?" and if not, "Who should be denied?"
"Forty seven million people are without health care insurance in America," Vivas said.
Herger responded by saying "everyone should have access to health care" without declaring it a "right."
"You call it a right. I call it something else," Herger said.
Vivas said in an interview that Herger "believes in the unfettered free market as the solution to all social problems. That is a fallacy he shares with many other Americans."

By Paul Boerger
Mount Shasta Area Newspapers
Fri Aug 21, 2009, 08:38 AM PDT


Herger is in the Congressional district that adjoins mine. Both Districts run from just north of Sacramento to the Oregon border. Our Congressman, Tom McClintock, is even wackier. McClintock replaced John Doolittle, who was certifiably corrupt.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Aug 09 - 08:45 AM

Well, well, well...

So advertisers are pulling the plug on the right??? Breaks my poor ol' heart, it does...

(But, Boberdz... They may also be pulling the plug on the left...)

Who cares??? In the big scheme of things about 99% of advertising dollars have gone to the righties over the last 30 years so what's the big deal... What, no Racheal Maddow or Keith Overman??? Hey, when one considered how much of the media is right wing, I'd trade Overman and Maddow for the right's bigass team any day of the week... There are dozens of corporate sponsored righties and a couple lefties...

Don't take the Wes Ginny Slide Rule to know a good baratgin when it sees one...

Bye Keith and Rachael... Bye Hannery, Beck, Limbaugh, Colter, Wallace, O'Reily, etc. etc. etc. etc....................

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: DebC
Date: 25 Aug 09 - 10:25 AM

I remember Wally Herger from my days in Redding and Chico. He is the worst of the worst. I miss California, but I don't miss "good ol' boy" Wally for a second.

Debra Cowan

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: SharonA
Date: 25 Aug 09 - 11:01 AM

Donuel: Joe's right about the Wally Herger reference. Herger held the town hall meeting at Simpson University in Redding, California... and the meeting was held on August 18th, not August 24th. When you copy-and-paste a quote from an article that includes a word like "yesterday", it pays to proofread. As Joe says, get your facts straight.

BTW, here is a list of US Congressmen by state: http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW_by_State.shtml#pa

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Alice
Date: 25 Aug 09 - 08:25 PM

As of today's news, 36 sponsors have bailed out on Beck.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Peace
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 01:55 PM

Beck may be losing sponsors, but people are listening to him. Mostly the folks who are hearing what they want to hear.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: SharonA
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 02:26 PM

Gee, ya think so, Bruce? (*rolling eyes*)

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Azizi
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 03:16 PM

Some people really like Glenn Beck.

All-Access Backstage Pass Blog
by Joe Kerry

Wednesday - Dec 3, 2008


"One thing I'd like to share with you is that Glenn really believes in the message he shares with you every day. He really is not a doom-and-gloom person by nature but really feels in his gut that America is changing and that we're in for difficult economic times and wants to get that message out. It's a message he shares, believes and lives. Today, Glenn mentioned that he needed to buy a coat so during our 15 minute lunch break we piled into a car and drove to a nearby store. As we pulled into the parking lot Glenn said this wasn't the best time to be buying a coat because of the country's economic situation and we turned around and went back to the hotel. My jaw literally hit the floor. Here's a man whose on the radio, has his own television show, and has a book that's been either number 1 or 2 on the New York Times best-sellers list for almost 4 weeks and he's not buying a coat because of the economy? It just struck me that he's the same person on-air as off and when he goes behind the microphone and talks about how our country is going to change and how we're in for tougher times and belt-tightening he means it and he lives it.

I have heard from so many people in several different cities that they have saved money, that they feel safer and that they are more prepared to weather the upcoming storm because they've considered, pondered and in some cases even prayed about what Glenn has shared and made their own decisions about what was best for their situation and feel good about the choices they've made. Glenn has met thousands of people in small and large cities across the country on the Christmas Sweater Tour and he is HUMBLED by the words that are spoken and stories that are shared. He has received hundreds of handwritten and typed letters on this tour and I can tell you that I see him read each one. He continues to be inspired as he reads how so many people are facing their own storms and are gathering the strength to move on from their own 'cornfields'. Some people would despair when reading so many stories about the struggles and battles that people are fighting but Glenn gets motivated to do more—he's wired differently.
.
At every stop Glenn tries to speak to the group of gathered people. His message has changed. Before, when no one was talking about bailouts, the credit crisis or a deteriorating dollar Glenn was sounding the warning bell. Now, with everyone talking about these things Glenn's moved to a message of hope. It's not something that he plans. It's just his gut telling him to move on. The message is not static. During this tour I've seen his message change. I sense an urgency in his message and desire to get it out. He's talking about the need for each individual to step forward in their own communities and become leaders—not in 5 years or 6 months, but today.

I've heard him at several stops ask people to keep him and his family in their prayers. I see how grateful he is when people tell him that they say a prayer for him and his family. I have seen in city after city members of his team tell him that he can only stay and sign books for one hour due to scheduling constraints but Glenn insists on staying until every book is signed and every friendly smile returned. I don't think Glenn could leave knowing that there were people who wanted to say 'hi' or have a book signed.

So what have I learned on tour so far? Don't underestimate the power and strength you give Glenn—he needs you, he really does."

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/18678/


-snip-

Yes, some people really like Glenn Beck and believe what he is saying.

But not me.

And I for one don't think for a hot minute that Glenn Beck believes what he's saying.

I think for Glenn Beck, it's all about the mullah (and I mean the money, honey).

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Peace
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 03:19 PM

I dislike the man very much. It's ALL about money from Beck to FOX to the advertisers. Note they withdrew from his show but not from FOX. Their statements--the advertisers--are about potential sales losses, but if anyone thinks the majority of the withdrawn sponsorships were prompted by any 'sense of civic responsibility'--well, you're mistaken, imo.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Peace
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 03:21 PM

'Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist'

"You can call a sheep a dog, but that won't make it bark."

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Lighter
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 06:02 PM

So all it takes to be great today, to stand out from the crowd, to have one of the best-selling books in America and be a prophet beloved by millions - is just to believe what you're saying.

*What* you're saying doesn't matter.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: GUEST,AWRIGHT
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 06:27 PM

Glenn do you consider yourself an answer to america's problems?

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Riginslinger
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 10:56 PM

Glenn Beck doesn't care about America's problems. His ratings are soaring.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Alice
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 11:23 PM

Another advertiser has pulled out on Beck since yesterday, so the list is up to 37.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Aug 09 - 09:59 AM

Glen Beck said yesterday "When you look at Barack Obama, do not project the good within yourself on him. Just because you are good does not mean you should see him as a good person. He is not..."

followed by various ranting rhetoric regarding evil individuals.



The military playbook often teaches its troops to dehumanize the enemy to make it more automatic to carry out the killing of the enemy without the delay of seeing a fellow human being in their sights.

Perhaps this belings in the Obama=Hitler thread but its still the dame guy and the same sight wing fear and hate agenda.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Alice
Date: 27 Aug 09 - 10:02 AM

This article is from alternet.org, dated yesterday. (The US Dept of HHS isn't a company. I think it may be the ads about H1N1 flu).

-----

37 companies have dropped sponsorship of Glenn Beck's Fox Show, following a remarkably successful Color of Change campaign launched in response to Beck's crazy racebating.

Here's a list of the companies that continue to advertise on Beck's show and the ones who have filled in, assembled by Media Matters. (Here's a fun game: identify all of the News Corps. properties on the list, as well as all the non-national brands that have taken the place of big companies like Wal-Mart and Geico.)

    * Rosland Capital

    * Ashley Furniture

    * U.S. Department of Health and Human Services

    * National Republican Trust PAC -- GOPTrust.com

    * Goldline International Inc.

    * The Wall Street Journal

    * Citrix (GoToMeeting)

    * Liberty Medical

    * Johnson Law Group

    * TeaPartyExpress.org -- Our Country Deserves Better PAC

    * Merit Financial

    * Fox Movie Channel

    * Zero Technologies

    * HughesNet

    * IRSTaxAgreements.com

    * Lear Capital

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Stringsinger
Date: 27 Aug 09 - 04:48 PM

No this is not free speech. There are repercussions when you fan the flames of hatred.
It's the yelling of fire in a crowded theater.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Azizi
Date: 27 Aug 09 - 08:07 PM

August 27, 2009


"Ten New Companies Pledge Not to Run Additional Ads on Glenn Beck Program

Vonage, Bank Of America, Kraft Among Latest To Distance Themselves from FNC Host as the Network Struggles to Fill Beck's Advertising Space

OAKLAND, Calif.—Adding to an increasing list of companies distancing themselves from Fox News Channel's Glenn Beck, ten new companies whose ads were recently seen during Beck's program—Applebee's, Bank of America, Bell & Howell, DirecTv, General Mills, Kraft, Regions Financial Corporation, SAM (Store and Move), Travelers Insurance and Vonage—have pledged to take steps to ensure that their ads don't run on Beck's show. Forty-six companies have now committed not to support Beck's show since ColorOfChange.org launched its campaign three weeks ago after the Fox News Channel host called President Obama a "racist" who "has a deep-seated hatred for white people" during an appearance on Fox & Friends.

Three of the latest defections—Travelers Insurance, Bell & Howell and DirecTv—join the list of advertisers who claim to have already placed Glenn Beck's program on a "do not air" list, but whose ads have been seen on Beck's program, apparently against their wishes." ...

http://colorofchange.org/beck/more/release-10.html

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 27 Aug 09 - 09:15 PM

Big Beck: Goes over 3 million viewers, beats O'Reilly in demo: Cable News Ratings for Wednesday, August 26, 2009

Posted on 27 August 2009 by Robert Seidman

Though a little scandal might alienate advertisers, it's pure ratings gold. Last night Glenn Beck had over 3 million viewers at 5pm, second only to O'Reilly for the night. But, Beck had more 25-54 viewers than O'Reilly (888K to 876K). I don't watch or really even care about the cable news wars, but still…wow. Even though Beck airs before primetime, when there are fewer people watching TV, he had the most 25-54 viewers in the cable news world for the night.

Live + Same Day Cable News Daily Ratings for August 26, 2009

P2+ Total Day
FNC – 1,374,000 viewers
CNN – 711,000 viewers
MSNBC –506,000 viewers
CNBC – 217,000 viewers
HLN – 300,000 viewers

P2+ Prime Time
FNC – 2,667,000viewers
CNN— 1,187,000 viewers
MSNBC –984,000 viewers
CNBC – 241,000 viewers
HLN – 606,000viewers

25-54 Total Day
FNC –395,000 viewers
CNN –204,000 viewers
MSNBC –161,000 viewers
CNBC – 72,000 viewers
HLN- 139,000 viewers

25-54 Prime Time
FNC – 736,000 viewers
CNN – 321,000 viewers
MSNBC –318,000 viewers
CNBC – 113,000 viewers
HLN – 204,000 viewers

35-64 Total Day
FNC – 650,000 viewers
CNN – 329,000 viewers
MSNBC – 257,000 viewers
CNBC – 105,000 viewers
HLN – 176,000 viewers

35-64 Prime Time
FNC –1,205,000 viewers
CNN – 516,000 viewers
MSNBC –488,000 viewers
CNBC –124,000 viewers
HLN –298,000 viewers

Morning programs (6:00AM-9:00AM) P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
FOX & Friends- 989,000 viewers (390,000) (652,000)
American Morning- 460,000 viewers (210,000) (309,000)
Morning Joe-465,000 viewers (201,000) (285,000)
Squawk Box- 157,000 viewers (55,000) (86,000)
Morning Express w/ Meade- 228,000 viewers (181,000) (212,000)

5PM – P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
Glenn Beck– 3,040,000 viewers (888,000) (1,385,000)
Situation Room—688,000 viewers (141,000) (271,000)
Hardball w/ Chris Matthews—536,000 viewers (139,000) (217,000)
Fast Money—215,000 viewers (55,000) (80,000)
Prime News–267,000 viewers (97,000) (109,000)

6PM – P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
Special Report with Bret Baier– 2,067,000 viewers (463,000) (881,000)
Situation Room—739,000 viewers (155,000) (317,000)
Ed Show—541,000 viewers (211,000) (262,000)
Mad Money—186,000 viewers (73,000) (114,000)
Prime News — 259,000 viewers (94,000) (139,000)

7PM – P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
Fox Report w/Shep Smith–1,590,000 viewers (454,000) (729,000)
Teddy: In His Own Words—1,104,000 viewers (293,000) (547,000)
Hardball w Chris Matthews—778,000 viewers (265,000) (380,000)
Kudlow Report —a scratch w/112,000 viewers (a scratch w/42,000) (54,000)
Issues– 403,000 viewers (124,000) (217,000)

8PM – P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
The O'Reilly Factor– 3,303,000 viewers (876,000) (1,468,000)
Teddy: In His Own Words- 1,104,000 viewers (293,000) (547,000)
Countdown w/ K. Olbermann– 1,091,000 viewers (320,000) (504,000)
Secrets of the Knight – 181,000 viewers (68,000) (95,000)
Nancy Grace – 757,000 viewers (239,000) (315,000)

9 PM – P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
Hannity –2,592,000 viewers (752,000) (1,158,000)
Larry King Live—1,182,000 viewers (299,000) (473,000)
Hardball w Chris Matthews—1123,000 viewers (381,000) (583,000)
American Greed – 242,000 viewers (108,000) (124,000)
Issues- 567,000 viewers (191,000) (311,000)

10 PM P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
On The Record w/ Greta Van Susteren—2,104,000 viewers (577,000) (985,000)
Anderson Cooper 360—1,137,000 viewers (332,000) (470,000)
Countdown w/ Keith Olbermann— 737,000 viewers (253,000) (378,000)
American Greed — 301,000 viewers (163,000) (153,000)
Nancy Grace –518,000 viewers (194,000) (278,000)

11 PM P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
The O'Reilly Factor —1,651,000 viewers (514,000) (822,000)
Anderson Cooper 360 —615,000 viewers (228,000) (299,000)
Headliners and Legends—658,000 viewers (235,000) (359,000)
Mad Money – a scratch w/101,000 viewers (66,000) (53,000)
Showbiz Tonight– 377,000 viewers (212,000) (249,000)

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For other days cable news ratings click here.

P2+ = viewers over the age of 2

(25-54) = Adults 25-54 viewing

(35-64) = Adults 35-64 viewing

Prime Time = 8-11pm

LIVE+SD: The number that watched a program either while it was broadcast OR watched via DVR on the same day [through 3AM the next day] the program was broadcast. For more information see Numbers 101.

Scratch = when a show's audience fails to meet minimum Nielsen reporting levels. For more information go here.

Nielsen Cable Network Coverage Estimates (as of October, 2008)

CNN/HLN: 98.63 million HHs

CNBC: 97.13 million HHs

FNC: 94.82 million HHs

MSNBC: 93.00 million HHs

Nielsen TV Ratings Data: ©2009 The Nielsen Company. All Rights Reserved.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Joe Offer
Date: 27 Aug 09 - 09:32 PM

Golly. You wonder if Beardedbruce has any idea what "one screen limit on non-music copy-pastes" means.

-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 27 Aug 09 - 10:48 PM

Just think of how many people would come to see and hear a talking two-headed chimp..

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Alice
Date: 27 Aug 09 - 11:13 PM

Maybe this boycott example will put a chill on everyone... the message is "tone it down".

Article from UPI,
..."The industry trade paper Ad Age reported Monday that marketers appear to be considering pulling ads from politically charged cable shows regardless of whether the shows lean right or left...."
CLICK here

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Stringsinger
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 02:06 PM

In America, we have always had negative pundits like Glenn Beck. There was Gerald L.K. Smith during the McCarthy era. There was also the John Birch Society. In the Forties there was the Nazi sympathizer, Father Coughlin. Reverend Billy Hargis of the
Anti-Communist Christian Crusade was another. He was busted on a morals charge
for molesting one of his students. This is a pattern in our media presentation. The Limbaughs, Hannitys, Malkins, Becks are a reflection of the worst kind of demagogue
that has poisoned our democracy. These people do not want a legitimate debate on issues. They are about slamming anything that doesn't conform to their ideologies.
They really have nothing legitimate to say about anything. Worst of all, they are hirelings for the corporate media who fuel this kind of trash to keep the ratings going.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 02:19 PM

So its sorta OK to yell fear in a crowded theatre.
Its NOT OK to yell fire in a crowded theatre.
What is it when you yell BEER in a crowded theatre?

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 02:40 PM

"These people do not want a legitimate debate on issues. They are about slamming anything that doesn't conform to their ideologies."

Why Won't ABC and NBC Run an Ad Critical of Obama's Health Care Reform Plan?

And who is it that is closing down debate? Freedom of speech as long as it agreees with what you want to believe, I guess.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: pdq
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 02:43 PM

old motto of NY Times: "All the news that's fit to print".

new motto of NY Times: "Print all the news that fits".

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 04:04 PM

Open letter to Glen Beck

You know Glen? ...this is supposed to be the land of the free and the home of the brave but you are preaching so damn much fear and hate in order to motivate people to do violence against their own best interests and for your corporate bosses that you and yours are not brave, you are cowards. You are scared. You are scared of the people in this country believing they are this country...
and the machines are here to serve the people NOT the other way around like you and your boss wants.
Well buddy this land was founded on the principle that the people shall form a more perfect union. You are so insecure that you attempt to incite violence in the name of God or fighting Hitler or that the President is a racist, not you. Your brand of false patriotism dishonors the troops you want to send to more and more proxy wars.
You don't do a damn thing in the name of GOD, you do what you do in name of your lobbying group and Wall Street think tanks who got us into these perilous nights.
Here is a song for you Glenie boy.
No matter how much you act cute and cry that you have been maligned you are the new innocent looking brand of hate monger..
So here is an anthem about you, something you are good at.

*************************************************

Oh say can you see, Gl-en Beck on TV
What so proudly he hiels, for the right wing that's steaming
Whose broad pants and bright eyes, sell gross lies that's so sleazy.
O'er the FOX networks we watched, was so far right wing leaning
And the hatred's red glare, the bums bursting hot air
Gave proof from hired hacks, that they're all so damn fair.
Oh say does that Glen Beck fan or terrorist still rave
O're the air his hatred screams and he's scared of the brave

Don H
MD USA

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Riginslinger
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 04:22 PM

"What is it when you yell BEER in a crowded theatre?"

                     A stampede!

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Lighter
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 04:51 PM

According to Greta Van Susteren in the very story Bruce cites,

"Well, ABC, who hosted an hour-long special on health care reform from the White House, says they rejected the ad because its policy is not to sell time for advertising that presents a partisan position on a controversial public issue, while NBC says it will reconsider the ad once the network gets some more information."

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 05:26 PM

"rejected the ad because its policy is not to sell time for advertising that presents a partisan position on a controversial public issue, "

You mean like Obama's press conferences??

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Ebbie
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 09:24 PM

ye gods, bb. That's a reach. You are of the opinion a president cannot speak of and promote his own agenda?

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 09:29 PM

NO.

I am saying that the networks have no problem presenting "a partisan position on a controversial public issue" when it suits them to.


Are YOU claiming that anyone opposing Obama's plans should be silenced?

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Aug 09 - 09:14 AM

Hey Bruce- you're welcome to keep your delusions, but they ARE getting a bit repetitive & pointless.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Alice
Date: 31 Aug 09 - 09:03 PM

46 advertisers have now distanced themselves from Beck.
Over 170,000 people have signed the petition to Glenn Beck's advertisers.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 01 Sep 09 - 05:57 AM

You are welcome to change YOUR delusions.


When you decide to post a message that you have not already posted, let me know.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Alice
Date: 02 Sep 09 - 08:52 PM

57 sponsors have dropped Beck.

comments from advertisers to colorofchange.org

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Sep 09 - 07:12 PM

Beck:
"Keep your children home from school Friday. Obama will be indoctrinating them by TELEVISING Socialist Propoganda in the schools!"
"Bring your children to the 9-12 Tea Bag Party in Washinton DC,.. Take your country back by any means necessary before its too late.
I know you're just like me and demonstrating and standing up for the country we used to have is somthing new to you and kinda wierd, but be there just like all those patriots who are going to town hall meetings."


hey kids a snow day would be more fun than a tea party.



Beck has found bas relief artwork at Rockefeller Plaza that clearly shows a hammer and a sickel thus proving that Obama fascism is on the march.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Alice
Date: 03 Sep 09 - 08:19 PM

Obama school address fosters 'socialist' agenda, critics say

"As the father of four children, I am absolutely appalled that taxpayer dollars are being used to spread President Obama's socialist ideology," said Jim Greer, chairman of the Florida Republican Party."
some school officials are taking pains to ensure students whose parents object to the speech will not be forced to watch.

article here

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Alice
Date: 03 Sep 09 - 10:24 PM

Glenn Beck goes crazy about the "communist" art made for Rockefeller Center and the conspiracies he implies...

"Beck donned his art critic's tin-foil conspiracy hat to find hidden evidence of "progressives, fascists and communists" in the carved reliefs and paintings of a landmark Manhattan building complex that was made a national historic monument in 1987. (Let's see; who was president that year? Oh, yeah: Commie-symp Ronald Reagan.) Article and Video here, LA Times
....if you watch the Beck clip above, when he gets to the part about the hammer and sickle and how President Obama is trying to brainwash America's children"

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Riginslinger
Date: 06 Sep 09 - 07:43 AM

And now Glenn Beck has successfully driven Van Jones from the administration.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: catspaw49
Date: 06 Sep 09 - 09:11 AM

Fox is so full of shit that I quit it long ago but even so I still get treated to Beck because of his outrageous crappola........And finally reading this thread, I can't see why we bother with the twit except to compare two assholes......One is Beck and the other is...

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Sep 09 - 10:02 AM

Ah, but he's just an asshole among assholes, Spaw. The airwaves & print media (what's left of it) are awash with 'em.

Imbeciles preaching to imbeciles.

Justice Holmes was wrong: ONE generation of imbeciles is more than enough.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: catspaw49
Date: 06 Sep 09 - 10:27 AM

LOL....perfect

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: GUEST,donuel
Date: 07 Sep 09 - 12:50 AM

you tube glen beck apoalypse it is lol Which is the best defese

|s looks like he got the clean energy czar fired

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Sep 09 - 12:56 AM

Glen is drunk with power now that he got a Obama clean energy cazr fired.

Watch this - its the best defense against this guy

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Sep 09 - 01:02 AM

Glen Beck shows Obama commiting murder

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Sep 09 - 01:04 AM

Glen Beck encourages violence

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Sep 09 - 01:10 AM

Glen Beck on destroying the union and the new confederacy

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Sep 09 - 01:14 AM

Hey my guest post was made via my Play Station 3 by my bed.

Woo HOO I won't need to get out of bed anymore

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Riginslinger
Date: 07 Sep 09 - 08:59 AM

The world would be a better place if Glen Beck didn't get out of bed.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Alice
Date: 07 Sep 09 - 12:03 PM

The hate radio and tv shows like Glenn Beck's are encouraging violence against Obama. As each new outrageous, hateful statement is made, it makes it easier for people to push the boundaries farther and farther.
VIDEO "Break his teeth, Oh God", pastor tells flock he hates Obama.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Greg F.
Date: 07 Sep 09 - 12:49 PM

I thought physical threats against the President were against Federal Law. When are they going to start arresting these assholes & slapping them in Federal prison where they belong?

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Alice
Date: 07 Sep 09 - 12:54 PM

THREATS AGAINST PRESIDENT - 18 USC 871, makes it a Federal crime or offense for anyone to willfully make a true threat to injure or kill the President of the United States.

A person can be found guilty of that offense only if all of the following facts are proved beyond a reasonable doubt:

First: That the person uttered words alleged to be the threat against the President;

Second: That the person understood and meant the words he used as a true threat; and

Third: That the person uttered the words knowingly and willfully.

A "threat" is a statement expressing an intention to kill or injure the President; and a "true threat" means a serious threat as distinguished from words used as mere political argument, idle or careless talk, or something said in a joking manner.

The essence of the offense is the knowing and willful making of a true threat. So, if it is proved beyond a reasonable doubt that the person knowingly made a true threat against the President, willfully intending that it be understood by others as a serious threat, then the offense is complete; it is not necessary to prove that the person actually intended to carry out the threat.
From lectlaw.com

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Amos
Date: 07 Sep 09 - 02:27 PM

If only there were some way to make public insanity a Federal offnse...sigh.



A

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Sep 09 - 10:15 AM

If you want an authoritative expose' of HATE RADIO look up
Henrey Gireaux's book Hate Radio.
It is recomended by Bill Moyers,

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Sep 09 - 02:24 PM

Beck is winning. FOX will continue his show with or without sponsors. Beck has succesfully ousted an Obama appointee.

The Obama administration is in bunker mode and the chilling effect that progressives can be so easily disenfranchised by the Glen Beck show is now a reality.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Amos
Date: 08 Sep 09 - 04:44 PM

I don't think they are, Donuel. I think the media portrayal has come adrift from the simple moorings of reality, is all.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Sep 09 - 05:33 PM

Overall the beck propoganda machine has turned awayfrom the Hitler and National Socialist theme and is in full Communist witch hunt mode.
"Van Jones is a very scary guy and a Communist organizer. Michelle Obama is a fan of Van Jones!"

In politics the well known phrase of throwing underwear against the wall until one sticks is understood in hard ball politics.
They used to say that nothing stuck to Reagan because he had teflon.
The crap is sticking to Obama probably because of white racism.

I looked in the email file of a Captain in the Navy and it was crammed full of racist jokes directed at Obama. I can assume that this is the case throughout the military.

Beck may be on drugs that exaggerate his behavior but more dangerous is that he believes his racist hatred campaign to be rightous and true. He clutches victimhood to his breast.

He may have a pathological need to be a victim to obtain the attention he needed but did not get in his earlier life. He uses victimhood an a Menchousen device. He is rich with excuses and poor in knowledge.
To describe this guy, bravery would not be at the top of anyone's list. Yet he is getting the underwear to stick while he remains teflon coated.

When he falls it will be by his own hand.
It will have nothing to do with journalistic moorings to reality.
It will be a self destruction aimed at a misguided martyrdom.



    Lookout!!!
> - - - - - - - - - - - - M
there goes another pair of dirty uunderwear, thanks to some ass hole.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Riginslinger
Date: 08 Sep 09 - 07:15 PM

Beck can do or say almost anything that comes to mind. What can the president do about it?

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Sep 09 - 07:21 PM

Right now they are giving him rope.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Alice
Date: 08 Sep 09 - 09:16 PM

(backlash to the becklash?)from chattahbox.com article


Keith Olbermann, host of MSNBC's "Countdown" has decided to wage a battle against Glenn Beck's paranoid and conspiracy theory laden right-wing attacks against President Obama, using Beck's own methods. Just recently, Beck and Fox News' dogged campaign against White House staff member, Van Jones attacking him as a radical "extremist," resulted in Jones' resignation.

Over the weekend, Beck issued a tweet in all caps calling on "Watch Dogs" to send him dirt on three Obama officials, including Cass Sunstein, the nominee to head the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs. Olbermann fought back, writing on the Daily Kos blog with a post entitled, "Send Me Everything You Can Find About Glenn Beck."

Earning his first scalp with the resignation of Van Jones, Beck is out for more blood, to cull what he calls radical and Communist Czars from the Obama administration. On Sept. 2, Beck tweeted:

    "Keep the Pressure on about the CZARS. Many of them too out of step with America and Freedom. Demand the President answers for each one."
more of the article plus Video at link above

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: heric
Date: 08 Sep 09 - 09:31 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2c-JEx-Kfvc

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 12:25 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 12:25 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 12:26 PM

I FOUND/MADE THIS   http://usera.imagecave.com/donuel/gb1.jpg

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 12:55 PM

Alice I don't think the Beck show has much expertise on fact checking.


All one need do is obtain actual criminal records of people and childrenm change the names to Obama staffers and send them to Beck when enough of these collections come from different sources you would probably be on the air in days. What makes for good TV however are video clips. These can also be altered in the audio to go so far as having staffers planning the assasination of Glen Beck etc..

What we would be doing is the same thing they did to Dan Rather!

One week later we send Keith the phoney lists and videos and the jig is up.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Ron Davies
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 10:05 PM

"Beck has successfully ousted an Obama appointee"..."progressives disenfranchised by the Glen Beck show".

As usual, it's a bit more complex than Mudcat firebrands picture it.

I assume you refer to Mr. Jones.

Mr. Jones, over his career, has made some spectacularly bad moves for anybody who wants a job in the Federal government.

1)   signing a petition stating that "high level officials may have deliberately allowed" the 11 September attacks. That sort of leftist paranoia may be fine on Mudcat. Not fine elsewhere.

2) told reporter he became a Communist while in jail

3) white environmentalists "steering poison into" the communities of "people of color"

I gather he also described Republicans by one of Greg R's favorite scatological terms.

Source:   WSJ 5 Sept 2009


He now disavows these. But the damage is done.   

Also, from my reading, he himself thought it amazing he would be asked into the Obama administration.   He should have volunteered his inflammatory past. And the Obama administration should have pressed him.

At a minimum, Mr. Jones has shown spectacularly bad judgment.    He was a goner no matter what, as soon as this stuff came out. Could have been the Washington Times, National Review, Drudge, etc. Any number of possibilities.

And it's his own doing.

He could easily have been a millstone around the President's neck.

Especially since, as you may have noted, enough people are already trying to type-cast President Obama as "socialist".   And in the US, unlike the UK, lots of people associate "socialist" with the "Union of Soviet Socialist Republics".

But Mr. Jones' departure is not precisely grounds for rending garments.

I also note with interest that the people yelling the loudest about how the sky is falling seem to be those who predicted that Obama had no chance in the primaries, and then had no chance in the general election.

Whereas those of us who believed all along he had a good chance still can see that the vast majority of the sky is still there.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Ron Davies
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 10:08 PM

"...had a good chance can see..."

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Ron Davies
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 10:25 PM

So sorry: it's Greg F. not R.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Sep 09 - 12:36 PM

firebrand or the way you intend its use is a label meant to denigrate and deny any truth from people who see through the cracks of official stories. These people who have to fight to see the truth beyond the bill boards of official stories and work for justice when justice is denied and delayed should not be dismissed as firebrands.

Red lineing and zoning decisions have poisoned balck communites north and south. Prison is a commune like no other. And finally the destruction of bld 7 is beyond any explanation by rational scientific minds let alone right wing nuts.

Sure some of you may still think the Scottsboro nine are all guilty or that the magic virgin bullet did kill JFK and maim Connely but even the most staunch conformist has an opportunity to see reality anew with facts before us today.

To say the avowed racist Strom Thurmond has more right to serve the Federal Goverment than Van Johnson is false on its face. To serve your country with strongly held beliefs is not a disqualification no matter what my distinguished colleague Mr. Davies says to the contrary.

Mr. Davies may have never uttered the scatalogical phrase ass hole in his life. Van Johnson did however have the timarity to refer to BOTH himself and Republicans as ass holes.
Both President Reagan and GHW Bush used the world Ass in public address. In my opinions adding a hole to it is not grounds for public disgrace, losing one's job and income or a lifetime ban from public service.

But we do have a clear picture of Mr. Davies thoughts, if not his intent.



____________________________

Regarding the snarky move of Beck asking to get the dirt on Obama staffers and in return Obermann asking his audience to get dirt on Glen Beck.

My snarky suggestion was to "Dan Ratherize" (remember the GWB military service report in the absence of all others but turned out to be false?)

I suggested giving Beck false forged documents and videos that he would probably broadcast, simply would not work on a man who does not cherish honor.

Secondly any false report no matter how outlandish would simply be believed by the unwashed audience to the Beck show.

The snarky tit for tat can be done but it is without honor Mr. Obermann.

Beck will eventually self implode and sadly like a miniature Hitler, some lives will have been ruined or lost by the time that day arrives.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: frogprince
Date: 10 Sep 09 - 01:05 PM

"Firebrand" hasn't really had negative connotations for me, although I guess I would see it as an applicable term for any very charismatic, outspoken figure, with either a helpful or harmful stance. I would put Van Jones more under the catagory of "loose cannon". Beck, of course, being possibly the biggest "loose cannon" in the public eye in the U.S. at the moment. (However, I tend to think of a "loose cannon" as an impending threat of possible damage; Beck has gone well past that.)
Strom Thurman should never have been in any influential public position; the fact that he was doesn't mean that it's a good idea to elect or appoint an irresponsible extremist of a different stripe.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Amos
Date: 10 Sep 09 - 01:13 PM

It's a shame that an apparently operable human being--Glen Beck walks, talks and emotes as though human--should be so patently deployed as a pawn in a game he cannot win, with such grimy side-effects. A real shame. His robotic, weepy, hypnotized ineptitude is disgraceful enough, but the real question is who cages, feeds and controls this cross-eyed anthropoid. I guess what I really want to know is the name of his hypnotist.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: beardedbruce
Date: 10 Sep 09 - 01:30 PM

Amos,

You obviously have never heard Beck. You may disagree with him, but HE believes in what he is saying, and has the same right YOU do to believe what you wish. Too bad this has become an attack on him, rather than a negation ( if possible) of his views. I guess they must be correct, since no-one bothers to argue otherwise- just attack him for having them..

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: beardedbruce
Date: 10 Sep 09 - 01:34 PM

Let ME make a comment here along the lines opf those presented :

"It's a shame that an apparently operable human being--Barack Obama -walks, talks and emotes as though human--should be so patently deployed as a pawn in a game he cannot win, with such grimy side-effects. A real shame. His robotic, weepy, hypnotized ineptitude is disgraceful enough, but the real question is who cages, feeds and controls this cross-eyed anthropoid. I guess what I really want to know is the name of his hypnotist."

If I were to use this against the present medical reform efforts, I would be castigated by all- yet you think it appropriate against a conservative. Tell me again how you will apply the same standards to both sides.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: frogprince
Date: 10 Sep 09 - 01:37 PM

Certainly, anyone has a right to an opinion. But when the opinion is baseless, inflammatory, devisive, and delivered in a hysterical rant, there isn't much point in separating the content from the character of the speaker.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 10 Sep 09 - 02:50 PM

So, we should discuss the character of all those Obama administration czars??

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Sep 09 - 04:51 PM

...but HE believes in what he is saying, and has the same right YOU do to believe what you wish...

True as far as it goes, BB, but delusion still isn't reality and no amount of his (or your) prating will make it so.

Hey RonnieDavies- for a self-identified 'Simple Seeker After Truth' (emphasis on the simple, apparently) you're sure making a lot of unfounded assumptions & assuming facts not in evidence in your latest screed.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 10 Sep 09 - 04:58 PM

Greg F.

And no amount of attacking those who disagree with your viewpoint will ever make it valid and in accord with the facts.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Sep 09 - 05:58 PM

If what you mean by "valid and in accord with the facts" requires adopting the BS & delusions of hacks like Beck, Rush & their sycophants & fellow travellers, then I say thank God.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Sep 09 - 09:57 PM

In these uncivel times the masks are coming off the predujudiced fence sitters. They are more emboldened to say what they think which is a good thing. Perhaps by listening to themselves a bit more closely they will learn the greatest lesson of all.

Knowing thyself.

Once you know that person you can do something about it.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Riginslinger
Date: 10 Sep 09 - 10:05 PM

Donuel - I suspect those folks who would gain the most by listening to themselves just simply wouldn't listen.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Sep 09 - 10:28 PM

Its easy.

Click on your own name here and go back 2 years and read your own posts.

HOLY SHEET

You will blow your mind.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Alice
Date: 17 Sep 09 - 09:16 PM

On Tuesday this week, mediamatters web site had an article on how much ad money the Beck program has lost since the boycott started. Losing at least 60 advertisers makes an impact, even if the viewers keep watching the program.

One comment to the article was interesting:

"I turned on Beck's radio program and beck was advertising for Goldline. So I Called them 1-866-465-3546.

I waited for an account executive to answer. I told him I heard about them from the beck program. He said that was great. Then I asked him if he knew beck has said President Obama hated white people. He played dumb and said he heard that but wasn't sure it was true. Anyway if you call.

1. Wait for to connected to new a account executive.
2. Be respectful, don't make an ass of yourself.
3. Thank him/her for listening to you. hang up"

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 18 Sep 09 - 12:43 AM

Alice:
I did it!
Awkward as hell (for them).
Beautiful.
Thanks.
Tim

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Ron Davies
Date: 18 Sep 09 - 10:58 PM

I have quoted from the WSJ on Mr. Jones--and the reporting, not the (Neanderthal) editorials or columns. You're welcome to look it up.

Sorry some Mudcatters don't like the quotes.

Exactly which of them do you disagree with?   Which of my points do you think Mr. Jones did not do?

It's painfully elementary political science. President Obama, like all presidents, has only so much political capital. I would think somebody who, for instance, supposedly has been teaching 19th century history for decades, might possibly have heard of the concept of political capital. The President is far too smart to waste his capital on somebody like Mr. Jones, who has dug himself an amazingly deep hole--especially since he (President Obama) has somewhat more important issues right now--reform of health care, to pick a purely theoretical example.


By the way, Greg, congratulations on hauling yourself out of the gutter, though you seem far more comfortable there. But by all means, feel free to slip back in, if it makes you more at ease. We want you to be happy.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: CarolC
Date: 18 Sep 09 - 11:13 PM

Well, whatever else he is or isn't, Glenn Beck is a communist!

Communist Party

Glenn Beck Party


LOL

(This is one of those times when I wish we could embed pictures in posts.)

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 19 Sep 09 - 12:52 AM

HAAAA!
Beautiful.
Thanks CarolC.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Sep 09 - 01:47 AM

Glenn Beck is a Communist

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Riginslinger
Date: 19 Sep 09 - 10:48 AM

"From each according to his ability,
To each according to his needs."


                      Wow, when will I be getting a check for Glenn Beck?

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Alice
Date: 19 Sep 09 - 11:09 AM

Did he really call liberals "fascists"? Does he not own a dictionary?

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Sep 09 - 11:25 AM

Calling liberals fascists is a popular meme among the lunatic right. There is even a book out called, "Liberal Fascism". I read a little bit of that book. These people really don't ever bother to look anything up. They just take the koolaid without asking any questions. I know, because I have a sister who believes all of this stuff (not the one who used to post here in the Mudcat).

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Alice
Date: 19 Sep 09 - 12:17 PM

I have a sister who believes conspiracy theories, too. She freaks out when the Treasury re-designs coins and paper currency. Some people seem to be wired to see conspiracies behind almost everything. She also thought Y2K was going to be the end of civilization and stockpiled water bottles and food in her basement.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Amos
Date: 19 Sep 09 - 12:17 PM

"herri Goforth, an aide to a Republican state senator in Tennessee sending out a mass e-mail of a cartoon showing dignified portraits of the first 43 presidents, and then representing the 44th — President Obama — as a spook, a cartoonish pair of white eyes against a black background.

When a gorilla escaped from a zoo in Columbia, S.C., a longtime Republican activist, Rusty DePass, described it on his Facebook page as one of Michelle Obama's ancestors.

Among the posters at last weekend's gathering of conservative protesters in Washington was one that said, "The zoo has an African lion and the White House has a lyin' African."

These are bits and pieces of an increasingly unrestrained manifestation of racism directed toward Mr. Obama that is being fed by hate-mongers on talk radio and is widely tolerated, if not encouraged, by Republican Party leaders. It's disgusting, and it's dangerous. But it's the same old filthy racism that has been there all along and that has been exploited by the G.O.P. since the 1960s.

I have no patience with those who want to pretend that racism is not an out-and-out big deal in the United States, as it always has been. We may have made progress, and we may have a black president, but the scourge is still with us. And if you needed Jimmy Carter to remind you of that, then you've been wandering around with your eyes closed.

Glenn Beck, one of the moronic maestros of right-wing radio and TV, assures us that President Obama "has a deep-seated hatred for white people." Some years ago, as the watchdog group Media Matters for America points out on its Web site, Beck said he'd like to beat Representative Charles Rangel "to death with a shovel."

There is nothing new about this racist rhetoric. Back in the 1970s Rush Limbaugh told a black caller: "Take that bone out of your nose and call me back."

But the fact that a black man is now in the White House has so unsettled much of white America that the lid is coming off the racism that had been simmering at dangerously high temperatures all along. Eric Boehlert, a senior fellow with Media Matters, said, "If someone had told me in February that there would be mainstream allegations that Obama was a racist and a fascist and a communist and a Nazi, I wouldn't have believed it."

Republicans have been openly feeding off of race hatred since the days of Dick Nixon. Today's conservative activists are carrying that banner proudly. What does anybody think is going on when, as Anderson Cooper pointed out on CNN, one of the leaders of the so-called tea party movement, Mark Williams, refers to the president of the United States as an Indonesian Muslim turned welfare thug, and a racist in chief.

After all these years of race-baiting and stirring the pot of hatred for political gain, it's too much to ask the leaders of the Republican Party to step forward and denounce this spreading stain of reprehensible conduct. Republicans are trying to ride that dependable steed of bigotry back to power.

But it's time for other Americans, of whatever persuasion, to take a stand, to say we're better than this. They should do it because it's right. But also because we've seen so many times what can happen when this garbage gets out of control...." NYT

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Alice
Date: 19 Sep 09 - 12:26 PM

VERY informative article on Salon.com about Beck's source of inspiration:

"In reality, however, the so-called 912ers were summoned to D.C. by the man who changed Beck's life, and that helps explain why the movement is not the nonpartisan lovefest that Beck first sold on air with his trademark tears. Beck has created a massive meet-up for the disaffected, paranoid Palin-ite "death panel" wing of the GOP, those ideologues most susceptible to conspiracy theories and prone to latch on to eccentric distortions of fact in the name of opposing "socialism." In that, they are true disciples of the late W. Cleon Skousen, Beck's favorite writer and the author of the bible of the 9/12 movement, "The 5,000 Year Leap." A once-famous anti-communist "historian," Skousen was too extreme even for the conservative activists of the Goldwater era, but Glenn Beck has now rescued him from the remainder pile of history, and introduced him to a receptive new audience."
article, Meet The Man Who Changed Glenn Beck's Life (Skousen)

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Alice
Date: 19 Sep 09 - 01:14 PM

Skousen, John Birch Society, and Reagan's Council for National Policy
page 2 of salon.com article

------
page 3 of salon.com article

snip
"Toward the end of Reagan's second term, Skousen became the center of a minor controversy when state legislators in California approved the official use of another of his books, the 1982 history text "The Making of America." Besides bursting with factual errors, Skousen's book characterized African-American children as "pickaninnies" and described American slave owners as the "worst victims" of the slavery system. Quoting the historian Fred Albert Shannon, "The Making of America" explained that "[slave] gangs in transit were usually a cheerful lot, though the presence of a number of the more vicious type sometimes made it necessary for them all to go in chains."
snip

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Sep 09 - 01:44 PM

Uh oh... would that make Glenn Beck a racist then? A racist commie. Heh. Gives new meaning to the word "pinko" (a red fist under a white sheet). LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Riginslinger
Date: 19 Sep 09 - 07:12 PM

Do Reds hate white people?

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Azizi
Date: 25 Sep 09 - 08:05 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRohgYwzRMU
Katie Couric's Interview with Glenn Beck (September 23, 2009)

Partial transcript from:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/9/25/786487/-Katie-Couric-Asks-Glenn-Beck-to-Define-White-Culture



Katie: Adrian from Florida said, "What do you mean by White Culture?"

Beck: Uh, um, I -I don't know.

Katie: You said he had a deep seated hatred for the White Culture. What is that? What is the White Culture?

Four attempts later -

Katie: Can you explain what you mean by the White Culture? Because some people might say, that sounds kind of racist.

Beck: Really? It's amazing to me that, for the first time I think in history, somebody can ask a question and say, don't you think? We have several pieces here, we have several pieces.

George Bush says, my grandmother was a typical African American, that had, uh, that had her views bred into her? You don't think maybe we would ask some questions about that comment?

How is it that for the first time, I think in history, you should check on it, somebody says, hey, there's some red flags here - maybe we should look at them? - has become the target. How am I the target for asking questions?

Katie: People just want to know. What - what is White Culture?

Beck: What is the White Culture. I don't know how to answer that that's not a trap. You know what I mean?

Katie: Yeah, I'm not trying to trap you, I'm just, I think people wanted to know what that meant exactly.

from the final few minutes of the video.

Beck: I'm not going to get into your sound byte gotcha game, which we already are. We already are.

Katie: No, actually, this is completely unedited, so if you felt like you wanted to explain it, you have all the time in the world.

Beck: Mmm hmm.

Katie: No? Don't want to go there? But basically, you stand behind your assertion, that in your view, President Obama is a racist?

Beck: I believe that Americans should ask themselves tough, tough questions. Americans should turn over all the rocks, and make their own decisions.

-snip-

Glenn Beck never did answer that question.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Sep 09 - 08:10 PM

Yesterday Beck quoted part of the Constitution that was intended to outlaw any attempt to end slavery and tax each slave $10 upon importation.

He said the founders got it right.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Ebbie
Date: 25 Sep 09 - 09:13 PM

Donuel's cryptic statement is slightly misleading.

I looked up what he refers to; it appears that Beck misunderstood the proviso the US Constitution made as to the issue of slavery. Beck glided right past the "importation of persons" and instead understood it to be referring to immigration.

"This man may well be the dumbest man on the planet." Keith Olbermann on Glenn Beck.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0cm0QUUlAk&feature=player_embedded#t=12

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Riginslinger
Date: 25 Sep 09 - 09:26 PM

Yes one of them must be, maybe they are the two dumbest!

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Sep 09 - 10:25 PM

What I quoted was true, succinct and accurate.

As to the intervening rambling context of all of Beck's false claims, idiotic inuendos and insulting antics, there is room for more than one assesment of his vacuous ignorance.

Beck says that the United States was founded as a Christian nation with Christian values. The founding fathers did compromise to engage in slavery as a national policy which for some people even today, was a very normal Christian thing to do. Besides, hiring illegal immigrants is darn close to slavery, don't you think?

Anyway I learned of this latest Beck foolery on the Oberman show as well and should have provided a link. Thank you Ebbie for doing so. I'm so sorry, can you ever forgive me for besmerching the good name of this well intentioned passionate patriotic man of the people?

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 12:48 AM

Just watched Azizi's link to the Katie Couric interview of Glenn Beck. Fascinating!

Bear in mind that I've never heard Glenn Beck talk about anything before. This was my first viewing of the man. I see hardly a trace of the wacko nutjob that the mainstream media wish him to be known as. Most of what he says makes good sense, and he says it in a moderate and reasonable fashion. (He is definitely very naive about the USA's health care system, since he believes it's the best one out there...! It sure is not. However, such naivete is, I expect, quite common among Americans....so the fact that Glenn Beck believes it is not all that surprising.)

He correctly identifies the number one problem affecting the country: massive corruption at the highest power levels in the society, corruption which has been cooperated with by BOTH the Republican and the Democratic parties as soon as they get into office...although they get elected every time by promising to "sweep out the corruption in Washington". Ha. Ha. He correctly points out that the public gets betrayed by the Republicans whenever the Republicans are elected and by the Democrats whenever the Democrats are elected, because the politicians are listening to lobbyists of various powerful and wealthy groups in society rather than to the ordinary public.

Most of what he says is reasonable, correct, and quite understandable, although he does have a couple of ideas I would not agree with...such as his view that the USA has the best health system in the world....HUH????????????? Well, gosh...maybe Glenn should live in Canada or the UK or France for a bit and draw some comparisons. He might change his mind on that one. ;-) I also don't agree with him about abortion, although I fully understand his own views on it.

Katie Couric makes a bunch of attempts to get Glenn Beck to say something bizarre, outrageous, and politically incorrect that can be quoted again and again to prove what a terrible nutjob he is. He refuses to fall into these quite obvious set-up traps as she presents them in the usual dramatic sucker-question-requiring-brief- and-misleading-soundbite-that-will-come-back-to-haunt-you answer form.

Nope. Life in the real world just ain't that simple, and Glenn Beck knows it, so he refuses to provide the dumb soundbite. Katie surely knows it too, but she's playing the usual political entrapment game that every interviewer plays, so she doesn't care. Glenn refuses to be trapped. He delivers lengthy, carefully considered answers that looks at things through nuance and from different angles...rather than one stupid ill-considered soundbite.

Katie tries hard to pin something nasty on Glenn by zeroing in on the "White culture" thing. What is "White culture", she asks?

Well....DUH! We ALL know the answer to that one...and it's an insult to anyone's intelligence if someone else pretends they don't know the answer to that one. It's so bloody obvious what "White culture" means in North America that it's not even worth talking about, really. But, hell, I'll discuss it briefly...

"White culture" is what I grew up in. I grew up in a small-town rural Canadian milieu where everyone around me was White, all the heroes in all the comics and books I read were White, all the authors of those books were White, all my teachers were White, all the big actors and actresses in the movies I saw were White (except for the very occasional appearance of Sydney Poitier), all my neighbours and schoolmates were White, the kids in the "Dick and Jane" books were White, the people in the TV shows my friends all watched were White, and that's the way it was. It was Davy Crockett, Tarzan, the Three Stooges, the Marx Brothers, and Jungle Jim. Everyone who mattered in that culture was White. Things have changed much since then and the world is way different now than it was then, but we still all know damn well what "White culture" is and we know what "Black culture" is and we know what "Native American" culture is...and each one of those long-established cultural archetypes summons up an instant mental picture that touches on almost every aspect of life...and it's peopled by the particular people who fit that mental picture when it forms in your mind.

And you know darned well what it is.

Katie Couric pretends she doesn't know what "White culture" means in order to portray Glenn Beck as a racist. That has got to be just posturing on her part, because I know she isn't stupid. She's doing her job, that's all, and her job in this case is to get Glenn Beck to fit the bad guy stereotype he's supposed to fit...because he's challenging the ruling $ySStem. He's pointing out that the Emperor, who is served by the ReDemocraplublicant Duopoly, has no clothes. And I'm not talking about Barack Obama when I say that. Obama's not the Emperor, he's just temporary. It's the ruling $ySStem I'm talking about that is the Emperor, and it wants you to think in terms of a duality: Republican vs Democrat, Left vs Right, conservative vs liberal, Black vs White, Male vs Female. As long as you fixate on a duality, label one side as good and the other as evil, then the ruling $ySStem has you disempowered and it continues to divide, conquer, and rule you by setting you at each other's throats.

I'm very surprised by the whole thing frankly. This was not the madman Glenn Beck I expected to see at all. Look, folks, if we're going to look for stereotypical Right Wing nutjob monsters to hate out there and go berserk about in order to bolster our own sense of moral righteousness and have someone dreadful to cluck over and say "Oh! How awful!", then we're going to have to do way better than this. Where are Jackie and Dunlap (Red State Update) when you need them???

I post this fully expecting to be quite misunderstood and met with howls of outrage. ;-) Fine, fine. Go to it. And keep smiling, because it raises your frequency and is good for your health too.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: CarolC
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 01:21 AM

He's a whole different critter on his shows. Check these out...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3Ebo4UhloU


These are his arguments against health care reform in the US...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YA7-BvVDV10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xSjwDYuoBo&feature=related


This one's downright psychotic...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szlLM5lCNJg

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: CarolC
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 01:26 AM

He only pretends to challenge the $y$tem, by the way. He's actually a big shill for the corporatocracy.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: CarolC
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 01:45 AM

...that's why he goes after both Democrats and Republicans. Any time a politician of either party tries to depart from the corporatocracy's playbook, they send people like Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh after them to pull them back into line. And that's why he's been trying to create this populist movement against health care reform in the US. He's doing it on behalf of the insurance industry. They're using the same tools the fascists used in Italy. They create or co-opt a populist movement that looks like it's acting on behalf of the common person, with the goal of using those movements to shove policies down peoples' throats that are against their own best interests.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Ebbie
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 03:26 AM

Sheesh, Little Hawk. Talk about naive.

You don't even consider that Beck tailored his remarks and responses to Couric's audience. As Carol C showed, Beck, on his own, is a different man. I don't like the phrase :" Gotcha! but yeah, he gotcha.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Greg F.
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 08:26 AM

Glenn Beck barely graduated from high school, and that's the sum of his education.

This is the colossal intellect whose analysis of complex issues some people find definitive?

Small wonder stupidity is in the ascendency in the U.S. of A.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Riginslinger
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 10:01 AM

Glenn Beck was born Catholic and chose to be a Mormon.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 11:27 AM

I watched all your clips, Carol. Again, fascinating stuff! Okay, now I know some more about Glenn Beck. I have now seen (or heard) him on 4 or 5 separate occasions. ;-D Does he seem to be mentally quite unstable? Definitely. Does he have some totally bizarre opinions. Yup.

He did conduct himself very well on the Katie Couric show, and it was interesting to watch. He conducted himself very badly on his own radio show and that's quite enlightening.

So I'm thinking you may be right, Carol, when you say of the people behind Glenn Beck that "They're using the same tools the fascists used in Italy. They create or co-opt a populist movement that looks like it's acting on behalf of the common person, with the goal of using those movements to shove policies down peoples' throats that are against their own best interests."

One problem, though. I think that most of the media people on both the Right AND the Left in the USA mainstream media are doing that. They play off one half of the public against the other half, and it works brilliantly. The country becomes more and more polarized, and the $ySStem becomes more and more empowered thereby.

I judge people not by their stated political preferences or their religious beliefs or anything else like that...I judge them by their actual behaviour toward others. Glenn Beck's behaviour toward that caller on his radio show is simply terrible.

You see, Ebbie, my naivete is subject to immediate review upon acquiring further information about the subject. ;-) You have to keep in mind that the first time I ever even saw Glenn Beck was in the Katie Couric clip, and it was all I had to go on about the man...I do not spend my life watching CNN and Fox and the other American networks. He did behave quite sensibly on that Katie Couric show, although he demonstrated his own ignorance about certain things, such as...

- the general standing of the USA's health system by world standards

- the gloriously public-spirited, altruistic, and helpful nature of large-scale capitalism

- and what motivates Michael Moore to do the things he does. (he seems to think that Michael Moore hates America...and that's just asinine)

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Ebbie
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 11:48 AM

Thanks, Little Hawk. I have never doubted your commitment to Truth- I just think that you sometimes stop too quickly in its search.

So back to the original theme: "Beck exclaimed that Obama has "over and over again" exposed himself as "a guy who has a deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture."


This about a man who is just as White as he is Black and whose closest ties while growing up was his White grandparents.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Riginslinger
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 02:16 PM

But like the guy in Faulkner's book, "Absalom, Absalom," he chose a black woman.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 03:47 PM

One does not choose a woman on the basis of her skin color, Rig. At least, I should certainly hope not.

I greatly doubt that Obama is harbouring hatred toward white people or the white culture, since it is half of what he is.

He may have had a tendency to jump to the conclusion that a personal friend of his had been treated badly by some police officers and been subjected to racial profiling prior to finding out the facts. It looks that way.

If so, he acted like about 98% of the rest of us might have acted in the same situation if it was our personal friend... ;-) In any case, he later apologized for having spoken in haste, so I don't see what the problem is. We all speak in haste at times. It's only those among us who utterly refuse to later admit they've made an error who pose a real problem.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: gnu
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 04:04 PM

"... he chose a black woman."

Good choice... good lookin, intelligent, educated, seems down to earth... he might have even chosen her if she was "white."

WTFFFF?

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Azizi
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 04:33 PM

Okay. I'll bite.

Everyone who mattered in that culture was White.
-Little Hawk (26 Sep 09 - 12:48 AM)


Think about what that "Everyone who mattered in that culture was White" might say to children who grew learning that in school, at church, in doctors' offices, in stores, when they saw policemen, and firemen, and any other man in a uniform (in those days there were very few women in those professions. And think of what Everyone who mattered in that culture was White" conveys to children who weren't White when that message was also reinforced at home via television shows, commercial advertisements/posters, radio, newspapers, books, magazines, movies, Halloween costumes etc etc etc. Then think of not just the absence of positive role models, and the absence of positive, self-affirming historical and current day information, but also the ubiquitous presence of mass media driven caricatures like Little Black Sambo, Tarzan, TinTin, golliwogs, StepInFetchit, racist cartoons, and so much more which-by design or otherwise-made it difficult for you to feel good about your self and your group. Then you tell me why it matters to a child who is not White (in whole or in part) that "everyone who mattered in that culture was White."

And yes, things have gotten a little bit better. But have things gotten much better? It's easy for White people to say "Yes". But living as I do everyday in my black skin, I know that unfortunately, the real answer is "No".

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: gnu
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 04:39 PM

Azizi... what can I do to help you with the problem?

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: CarolC
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 04:48 PM

A further point on the subject of the "what is White culture" question. If we all know that "White culture" is as defined above; namely, the exclusion of anyone who isn't White from the notice and experience of those who are White, and the exclusion from participation in the dominant culture of those who aren't White, wouldn't that automatically cause it to be defined as a racist culture? So that would mean one of two things in the context of Beck's usage of the term. Either, A. Beck's use of that term was an expression of a racist attitude, or B. he didn't mean the term in the way it was defined above. I think it was a perfectly reasonable question to ask, and his unwillingness to answer the question, I think, said much, much more than any actual answer that he might have given.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Azizi
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 04:58 PM

gnu, I appreciate your the sincerity of your question. Here's my response:


"W.E.B. Du Bois said, on the launch of his groundbreaking 1903 treatise The Souls of Black Folk, "for the problem of the Twentieth Century is the problem of the color-line"—a prescient statement".

http://www.bartleby.com/114/

-snip-

Unfortunately, people in the 20th century didn't solve the "problem of the color line". We are all atill impacted in various ways by this "problem" regardless of our race, ethnicity, or nationality. It therefore seems to me that we should learn as much as we can about this multi-faceted problem, and constantly work to rid ourselves of vestiges of its poisonous tenacles. And it seems to me that we should help others to also learn about the problems of the color line (i.e "racism") how we can, as best we can, when and where we can.

**

Here's the ending statement for W.E.B Du Bois'book The Souls Of The Black Folks

"The After-Thought

Hear my cry, O God the Reader; vouchsafe that this my book fall not still-born into the world-wilderness. Let there spring, Gentle One, from out its leaves vigor of thought and thoughtful deed to reap the harvest wonderful. (Let the ears of a guilty people tingle with truth, and seventy millions sigh for the righteousness which exalteth nations, in this drear day when human brotherhood is mockery and a snare.) Thus in Thy good time may infinite reason turn the tangle straight, and these crooked marks on a fragile leaf be not indeed

THE END"

-snip-

Here's an excerpt from W.E.B Du Bois' Wikipedia page:

"William Edward Burghardt Du Bois pronounced /duːˈbɔɪs/ doo-BOYSS)[1] (February 23, 1868 – August 27, 1963) was an American civil rights activist, Pan-Africanist, sociologist, historian, author, and editor. At the age of 95, in 1963, he became a naturalized citizen of Ghana.[2]

Historian David Levering Lewis wrote, "In the course of his long, turbulent career, W. E. B. Du Bois attempted virtually every possible solution to the problem of twentieth-century racism— scholarship, propaganda, integration, national self-determination, human rights, cultural and economic separatism, politics, international communism, expatriation, third world solidarity."[3]"

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Greg F.
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 05:06 PM

Katie Couric pretends she doesn't know what "White culture" means in order to portray Glenn Beck as a racist.

Wrong.

She's asking Mr. Towering Intellect what HIS definition of it is.

And he has no definition. So at the very least he's an idiot.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Azizi
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 05:14 PM

Carol, I wouldn't say that "White culture is "the exclusion of anyone who isn't White from the notice and experience of those who are White". Generally speaking, White people do notice People of Color. Sometimes White people notice specific non-White people, and genuinely form positive bonds to those people.

Less positively, (again generally speaking) White people notice People of Color (generally speaking) and express their fear and antagonism toward them (us) in myriad ways.

And White people (generally speaking) sometimes notice like what they notice about People of Color (generally speaking) enough to try to imitate us. And White people sometimes like what they see so much that they rip off language, music, dance, fashion, and other cultural indices from People of Color and often claim those cultural indices as their own creations.

It's been that way for generations. And the beat still goes on.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: gnu
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 05:18 PM

Azizi... maybe I should clarify... what can I DO to help YOU with the problem?

I really don`t have time to read long posts ad infinitum or read countless history lessons and analyses.

I would like you to tell me what I can do for you to help.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Azizi
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 05:20 PM

Thanks for your concern, gnu.

My response is that you can do what you can do to help yourself.

I'm doing the same.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 05:33 PM

I think he most definitely has an idea of what it is, Greg, and he could have explained it precisely as I have, because it's dead obvious what "white culture" is or what any racial culture is.... but he figured that any such answer he gave in today's political climate on the USA mass media would be used to tar and feather him...which it indeed would...so that's why he didn't give an answer, in my opinion.

The mass media is not being used to arrive at truth. It's being used to pump up its chosen "good guys" and destroy its chosen "bad guys". It's being used to push propaganda, foment controversy, and destroy people. That's how Glenn Beck uses it. That's also how Glenn Beck's most ardent foes use it. They're all basically out to destroy someone. He knows that, so he wasn't going to put his own ass in the crosshairs on the firing range, so to speak, by giving an honest answer to what he thinks "white culture" is.

That doesn't make Glenn Beck someone I support or agree with. It just makes him smart enough not to place his own neck on the media guillotine, that's all.

By the way, I don't think Glenn Beck is a very smart or well-educated man. If he was, he probably wouldn't think the USA has the best health system in the world or that Michael Moore hates America! He's smart enough, though, not to attempt to define "white culture" on the Katie Couric show, so he's not a total idiot. ;-D

Azizi - What you say in your post of 26 Sep 09 - 04:33 PM is all absolutely correct as far as I can see. Among other things, you said:

"And yes, things have gotten a little bit better. But have things gotten much better? It's easy for White people to say "Yes". But living as I do everyday in my black skin, I know that unfortunately, the real answer is "No". "

You are so right. What all of us need to do to further improve the situation, I think, is to stop defining ourselves by race at all, and start defining ourselves by what we unquestionably share in common: Our common humanity. Our equality (as beings of equal potential worth with equal common rights in every way). Our existence as members of one single human family, regardless of race, culture, nationality, gender, religion, or any other defining characteristics which would appear to separate us from one another.

That requires, for most people, thinking in a new and less parochial fashion. It can be done. Eventually, in my opinion, it must be done if we are to share a good future on this planet.

It is said that a healthy mind sees the similarities in others while an unhealthy mind focuses mainly on the differences. Apply that to society and politics, and see what a healthy mind could do with the situation.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: gnu
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 05:35 PM

Azizi... I don't need help. I am not a racist.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: CarolC
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 05:37 PM

My post on the subject of White culture was in reference to the definition given by another poster on what is meant by White culture, and the suggestion that it was disengenuous of Katie Couric to press Beck on what he meant by it. I think it was a very good question, and I'm glad she pressed him on it.

Personally, I have no idea what "White culture" is, and quite frankly, it doesn't particularly interest me.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Greg F.
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 05:44 PM

OK, LH, so then he's an idiot AND a coward. Maybe he should just keep his mouth shut?

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: CarolC
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 05:48 PM

One further point on that issue, though, for the one who thinks Couric was just out to destroy Beck by asking that question. I think Beck set himself up for that question by calling Obama a racist. If he's going to be making those kinds of accusations, he needs to make sure he's not also guilty of the same thing he's accusing others of, and with a comment like "I think he has a deep seated hatred of White culture. I think he's a racist", there is an excellent chance that such a comment itself arises from a racist mindset. So asking that question seems perfectly reasonable on those grounds. If he wasn't so busy pointing fingers at and trying to destroy others, maybe the finger wouldn't be pointing back at him quite so much.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 06:24 PM

I think you're right, Carol. Yes, he did bring it on himself by his own previous exaggerated attacks on Obama's character. I do think Katie Couric was "out to destroy Beck by asking that question", but she wasn't JUST out to destroy Beck by asking that question. There were a number of other reasons for her to ask it...quite aside from the intention to damage or destroy Glenn Beck. The political media game these days is a vicious business. It is the politics of destruction. Remember what was done to John Kerry? Or how Kucinich was blocked from participating in the later televised debates during the last campaign? Or how they deliberately asked Kucinich a stupid question about a UFO sighting he had just to label him as a space cadet in people's minds? I find that zeal to destroy people in the modern media very unfortunate, and I'm glad I'm not involved in politics.

Greg, I wouldn't mind at all if he were to shut up. ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: CarolC
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 06:31 PM

I hope they do succeed in destroying Beck, or at least his ability to manipulate people, because he's trying to kill me and JtS (and all of the rest of those of us who can't get access to health care). I don't want him to have that opportunity.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Riginslinger
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 09:25 PM

"I hope they do succeed in destroying Beck, or at least his ability to manipulate people,..."

               I don't think you give people enough credit if you think Glenn Beck can manipulate them. And destroying Beck isn't as easy for Katie Couric as destroying Sarah Palin was. Beck isn't running for anything.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 09:34 PM

Yes, the most dangerous thing you can possibly do in the political arena (in terms of risking your own reputation) is run for something. Talk show hosts are fairly much immune to criticism.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: CarolC
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 10:01 PM

He's manipulating people in the same way the fascists did in Italy. He's been co-opting the teabagger movement and now he's got that whole 9/12 movement going on, and he's been using his lies to whip up a lot of aggression on the part of a lot of fairly unbalanced people, and he's using that energy to try to get both Obama and health care reform killed.

He's got one of my sisters thoroughly manipulated. She's turning into an intellectual zombie. She's never been all that big on critical thinking, but now, not only has she abandoned it entirely, Beck has her believing that by drinking his koolaid, that's the equivalent of critical thinking. It's grotesque.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: CarolC
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 10:23 PM

Also, I don't know how anyone can say that the media aren't capable of manipulating people. If it weren't for the media in this country, the Bush administration would never have been able to hoodwink the people in the US into supporting the invasion and occupation of Iraq. Beck is one of the people that the corporatocracy use (along with Limbaugh, O'Reilly, and a few others) to manipulate people into supporting the corporatist agenda. And they've been doing it quite successfully, while lobotomizing the American public at the same time. Propaganda works, and anyone who doesn't think so is being terribly naive.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 10:37 PM

The media are tremendously capable of manipulating people, and they do it all the time.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Alice
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 12:14 AM

I don't know if anyone has posted to a thread regarding the murder of a census worker who had the word "Fed" written on his chest with a felt tip marker, but the antagonism against the government is being deliberately stoked by Glenn Beck. There are already too many unbalanced angry people. They don't need to be encouraged to be violent.
Click here for one comment on it... although I don't entirely agree with Niall O'Dowd.

Here is an article and link to video on "Right Wing Census Paranoia" with clips of Michelle Bachmann and Glenn Beck and others stoking fears of the federal government and the census.
Census paranoia

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: CarolC
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 12:40 AM

I totally disagree with O'Dowd about O'Reilly. O'Reilly is every bit as much of a hate monger as Beck. He's just not trying to start a cult around is hate mongering like Beck is, so maybe he's not quite as dangerous.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Riginslinger
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 07:22 AM

"If it weren't for the media in this country, the Bush administration would never have been able to hoodwink the people in the US into supporting the invasion and occupation of Iraq."

               I didn't say the media couldn't hoodwink people. The New York Times was more responsible than any media outlet for the Bush Administration obtaining support for invading Iraq. It was very effective because folks thought they would be on the critical side. When they were in agreement, people were definately hoodwinked. The question people should be asking themselves now it "Why did they do it?"

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: CarolC
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 08:39 AM

Personally, I don't see a whole lot of difference between hoodwinking people into doing something they might not do otherwise and manipulating them into doing things they might not do otherwise.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Little Hawk
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 10:35 AM

They probably did it because of certain money connections, Rig, and because they are part of the ruling establishment, and in a very big way. You're right, the support of the New York Times was an absolutely crucial factor in swinging public opinion in favor of Bush's invasion of Iraq, because it got so many of the liberals onside.

Here's another example of that sort of thing: Amnesty International helped spread a totally concocted and spurious story at the time of Saddam's invasion of Kuwait (1991?). They said that Iraqi soldiers had taken babies out of incubators at a Kuwaiti hospital and let them die. It never happened at all, it was a story concocted by the CIA or someone like that in the American propaganda factory and it was falsely testified to by the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador. She did a great acting job for the cameras and aroused outrage in Americans against Iraq.   Amnesty International backed that phony story and gave it the stamp of total believability.

And that got the North American public onside to support the Gulf War.

Amnesty International later apologized for having made an "error" about that, and retracted their support of the story.

I have never trusted Amnesty International since, and I have no trust in the New York Times either. I have a pretty good idea who they really work for when it comes to vital matters of pre-planned USA foreign policy.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Alice
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 10:54 AM

..."Is it possible that the time has come for the FCC to consider exactly what constitutes screaming fire over the publicly owned airwaves?"... click here

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Deckman
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 12:00 PM

I live just 30 miles south of the town of Mt. Vernon. 30 miles beyond that town, we have three children and two grandchildren. This means that we drive through Mt. Vernon a lot. This morning I sent a love note to the town's mayor, telling him that we will NO LONGER by any meals or gas in his town because of his actions. I also sent the same message to the president of the Mt. Vernon chamber of Commerce. And I also suggested that they throw him out of office. What I am doing is "voting with my checkbook." Bob(deckman)Nelson

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: CarolC
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 12:01 PM

I agree about the New York Times. I don't trust them, either. And I'm not sure what to think about Amnesty International. But they're not the subject of this thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Alice
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 12:18 PM

Bob is referring to the mayor of Mt Vernon honoring Glenn Beck with the keys to the city.
Back on Sept 11, when I read the news about this, I emailed my opinion to the mayor of Mt Vernon, at [e-mail].

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Alice
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 04:34 PM

article IS GLENN BECK INCITING VIOLENCE?
"...Most other right wing talkers invoke God, but not with the fervor and on-the-edge flavor that Beck does. His tone, his mannerisms, his body language - all seem like something one might expect from a prophet of old. And yes, Beck does call himself a prophet."
the rest of the article here

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Deckman
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 05:02 PM

If I get a written response from the honorable mayor of Mt. Vernon, or from any members of the city council or the Chamber of Commerce, I'll post them on this thread.

The mayor deciding, on his own and without the city councils approval, to give the "keys to the city" to this idiot is beyond my comprehension. I actually have friends, and family, in that town. I imagine I'll get an ear full soob. Bob(deckman)Nelson

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Deckman
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 05:03 PM

OOOOOPS! "soob" = soon.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Azizi
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 05:04 PM

Here's a related news story:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/9/27/786966/-Racist-Email-Costs-Bloomington-IN-Exec-His-Job
Racist Email Costs Bloomington IN Exec His Job
by HeartlandLiberal
Sun Sep 27, 2009 at 10:23:34 AM PDT


Here are some excerpts from that diary:

"...an email sent from a company account has cost an executive with a health insurance company his job in Bloomingon, Indiana...


"The following quotes from the Sunday, September 27th, 2009 edition of the Bloomington, IN Herald-Times, the local newspaper...

'City cutting ties with Hylant Group Executive who sent anti-Obama e-mails has resigned

Bloomington will suspend its work with Hylant Group of Bloomington after a vice president sent an insensitive and racially charged e-mail on his company account, Mayor Mark Kruzan said Saturday..."

Also, a Hylant Group executive said Saturday that he had accepted the resignation of Denton "Denny" Flahualt, the Hylant vice president who sent the racially charged e-mail..."

Hylant does not have a contract with the city, but acts as a middleman between the city and insurance carriers. Hylant reviews and analyzes insurances plans from carriers and then provides the city with input as to which plan the city should choose. The insurance carriers, and not the city, pay Hylant.

Kruzan said it was a combination of the inappropriateness of the e-mail and the company's response to it that led to his decision.

"It's not even a close call that there has to be a response from the city of Bloomington as a Hylant customer," Kruzan said. "That response is not to do business with the company in 2010."

"The company's lack of direct ownership of the issue requires that the city act in a way that makes it clear that we expect more from companies with whom we're doing business," Kruzan said.

-snip-

"A day after Hylant Group of Bloomington was honored as the Greater Bloomington Chamber of Commerce's Large Business of the Year, a vice president for the company is being assailed for sending out an inappropriate and racially-tinged e-mail on his company account, using his company signature.

The e-mail includes various images of President Barack Obama: as a communist, as Adolf Hitler, as the nerdy African-American child character Steve Urkel from the television show "Family Matters," and as Mad magazine icon Alfred E. Neuman. One image depicts Obama, surrounded by communist and Muslim symbols, urinating on a map of the United States.

...

On Thursday, Denton "Denny" Flahault, vice president of Hylant Group of Bloomington, acknowledged sending the e-mail. "Unfortunately, yes," he said. "It was not intended for the individual who received it and it was completely a mistake."

Jon Strole, regional chief operating officer for the Hylant Group, also said it was a mistake by an employee. "We do have a policy for employees in terms of you are not supposed to use your office e-mail to send personal things of that nature. We will deal with that internally," he said.

"Denny has apologized to the Kiwanis organization and that has been accepted by their folks," the Toledo-based corporate officer said.

Williams, the blogging journalist, linked the e-mailed images to the "pernicous racism" underlying attacks on the president, particularly over his call for health care reform. Audrey McCluskey, director of the Neal-Marshall Black Culture Center at Indiana University, viewed the materials and wrote in an e-mail that they were "very much racially-tinged."

She continued: "The easiest response would be to keep the temperature up by branding this outrageous slander as racist and giving the perpetrators the attention they crave. My question is, what is it about the American character that produces such images, and why do so many good people remain quiet in the face of it?"
Carolyn Calloway-Thomas, associate professor in the department of communicaions and culture at IU, termed the images "brutal and very disturbing" and wrote: "The images also serve as awful, scary replacements for argument and reason, which should be elevated in civic discourse. If health care matters and President Obama's public polices ARE THE main issues under contention, then why is it necessary for one to resort to pushing images of President Obama with a dark mustache (with a swastika nearby) against a red background — all signifying that President Obama IS Hitler? Words and images matter!" "

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: gnu
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 05:08 PM

Good on ya BOB! On deck for action!

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Azizi
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 05:09 PM

The highly offensive images that were sent in that email can be found through a link in that abovementioned dailykos.com diary.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Alice
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 05:24 PM

Today I saw something that shocked me, that I didn't expect in my town - about 4 blocks from my house on the back wall of the grocery store, as I was driving by I saw a spray painted swastika and a racist message I will not reproduce here.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Ron Davies
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 05:39 PM

"destroying Beck isn't as easy for Katie Couric as destroying Sarah Palin was..."

How is this statement absurd?   Let me count the ways.

1)   Sarah "destroyed" herself for 2008--with the pattern of what she said, not just one interview.   And she endeared herself to a huge number of people also.

2)   Nothing defeated McCain and Palin but the perception that McCain was not the right person to deal with a financial crisis.

3) Sarah is not "destroyed" by a long shot. Unfortunately she still has a passionate following. And that's what matters, especially in primaries. And as usual in elections, in 2012, if the economy has not considerably recovered from its current low position--whether or not President Obama has anything to do that--he will be defeated by whoever the Republicans choose. If the economy has recovered, he will be re-elected--unless the war issue dominates.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: CarolC
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 06:08 PM

I had a very disturbing experience a few weeks ago, myself.

I was in a gas station parking lot in South Carolina (giving away money for a promotional thing), and I was approached by a man who starting saying things like, "so you think things are bad now, just you wait until Obama's gone. Biden's mentally ill. And when he's gone, then we'll have Pelosi, and she's crooked." And he went on like that for a while, and then he said, "The Clan is gonna ride again!"

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Deckman
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 06:10 PM

Ron Davies ... What you said is all too true, unfortunatly. bob

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 10:41 PM

Where I live, there is a house decorated for Halloween as a graveyard. The headstones (plywood) in the front yard bear the names "Kenedy", "Pelose", "Sadum Husayn", and "Obama" (sic).

What are the odds that they are FOX/Beck/Limbaugh/Hannity fans?

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Azizi
Date: 28 Sep 09 - 12:10 AM

Off-topic but not really.

A "guest" just posted a comment that I believe is made up of racist codes to this thread that I started today

thread.cfm?threadid=123896&messages=42
Songs & Rhymes About Knocking

I know that it's Mudcat's policy to immediately delete racist posts, and sometimes also delete posts that refer to those offensive comments. However, those deletions might lead people to believe that there are never any racist comments posted to this forum. It also means that the opportunity to publicly vent and (probably more important) use those posts as opportunities to teach something about anti-racism, are lost.

I'm posting this comment here to alert readers of this thread to my response to that comment (if it has not been deleted) as a means of documenting that it's not only in corporate emails or television shows or other venues that racist code words are still used. It also happens on Mucat.

I believe that the "Songs & Rhymes About Knocking" thread is a fun thread that also contains some interesting information. I have no desire for that thread to turn into an affirmation that Mudcatters are not racist. I know that most Mudcatters aren't racist. I also know that sometimes individuals use offensive cultural codes to attack a person of another race who they have personal issues with (though I'm unsure what personal issues someone on this forum could have with me).

This month marks my fifth year as a poster on this forum. And racist posts notwithstanding, for the most part I am glad that I decided to join Mudcat. I have learned a lot and have "met" many interesting, talented people throughout the world as a result of my reading and posting on Mudcat threads. And I want it to known that I intend to remain on Mudcat and will continue posting on this forum as long as my spirit moves me to do so.



Azizi Powell

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Alice
Date: 28 Sep 09 - 12:52 AM

I'm glad you are here, Azizi.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Deckman
Date: 28 Sep 09 - 02:42 AM

Me too. Bob(deckman)Nelson ... back home in Everett ... where the dogs run slower than the cats ... usually.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Riginslinger
Date: 28 Sep 09 - 06:51 AM

But sometimes the context of racism is read into things where there is no racism implied or intended. Like when Bill Clinton made that speech in--I think it was North Carolina--during the last campaign, and talked about Jesse Jackson. The media was howling about "code words." I though the whole thing was absolutely ridiculous.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Azizi
Date: 28 Sep 09 - 08:05 AM

Thank you Alice and Bob. That post & my response has been deleted.
And I prefer to leave it there.

I also choose not to exchange comments with Riginslinger about his comment in a general sense or specifically whether I read "racism into [that deleted message] "where there [was] no racism implied or intended".

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: CarolC
Date: 28 Sep 09 - 08:45 AM

I saw it. It was definitely racist.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: John P
Date: 28 Sep 09 - 06:51 PM

To paraphrase Aaron Sorkin:

Why do these people claim to love America when they so clearly don't like Americans?

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: irishenglish
Date: 28 Sep 09 - 07:33 PM

Little Hawk, the story you mentioned about Amnesty International back in the first Gulf War was an admitted low point for an organization I have supported for years. However,the ground level work-people sending letters or emails from local groups all over the world is something that continues to be the bread and butter of Amnesty INternational, and in my opinion should not be merely dismissed because of that unfortunate incident. Years ago, when I was very active with AI, word came to our local group that a prisoner of conscience in Ukraine that we had been working hard on his release, had in fact been released, and when a few months went by and we had a hand written letter from him, written in Ukranian which we had to translate, it was one of the joyous days in my life. Please just remember stories such as mine when you say you don't trust AI-who else is doing anything similar?

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Alice
Date: 28 Sep 09 - 08:02 PM

Front page news of our town's local paper this morning - a White Supremacist cult called The Creativity Movement is targeting Bozeman with recruiting (which is why I may have seen that graffiti yesterday).

White-supremacy materials being distributed in Bozeman mark the re-emergence of a hate group with a history in Montana, a human rights group says.


'...The fliers, including one that calls for a "white revolution" because "the white race has been targeted for death," are from the Creativity Movement, an Illinois-based group that believes "the white race is the finest and noblest creation of nature."

The Montana Human Rights Network began to see an uptick in the amount of Creativity Movement literature circulating in Bozeman in August, said Travis McAdam, the network's executive director.

Bozeman Police Sgt. Detective Dave McManis also has seen increased activity "in the last month or so," including materials left at the library and Irving School and some graffiti."...

The article goes on to say, quoting one of the group leaders...
"He believes Obama is trying to force a domestic economic collapse in order to form a North American Union with Mexico and Canada n similar to the European Union. He claims to have seen an "Amero," the currency that the new union would use.

When asked why Obama would pursue such a structure, he said it would give the government "more control with the economy."

"Mark my word, you'll call me a prophet on this," he said.'

---------------
That "Amero" thing is new to me, but reminds me of my sister believing wacky conspiracies about our currency.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: CarolC
Date: 28 Sep 09 - 08:39 PM

They were saying that about the North American Union and the Amero during GW Bush, too. That one's been making the rounds for a few years.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Deckman
Date: 28 Sep 09 - 08:40 PM

Alice ... it sounds like I got out of Montana just in time. bob

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Sep 09 - 09:16 PM

As long as you didn't move to Idaho, that is..........

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Alice
Date: 28 Sep 09 - 09:50 PM

Well, Bob, Washington state unfortunately has even more of it than Montana.

MAP of White Supremacy and hate groups from the Southern Poverty Law Center (I've had this site bookmarked for over 10 years because of the cults here).
http://www.splcenter.org/intel/map/hate.jsp

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Riginslinger
Date: 28 Sep 09 - 09:58 PM

The Southern Poverty Law Center is the most virulent hate group on the face of the planet. They'll attack anyone if they think in will bring revenue to them.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: CarolC
Date: 28 Sep 09 - 11:29 PM

Brought to us by Glenn Beck

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Riginslinger
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 07:53 AM

Well, it's a whole lot more peacable than what was going on in Pittsburgh.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 08:41 AM

Yeah, real peaceful.
Take a look, and get back to me on that.
Watch!

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Riginslinger
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 10:36 AM

Tia - While I agree that is deplorable behavior, it's not nearly as violent as what happened in Pittsburgh. All of these people destroy their own argument when they act like that, in my opinion.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 11:06 AM

The Southern Poverty Law Center is the most virulent hate group on the face of the planet.

Oh, please. What planet do you live on? & where were you from about 1956-1976?

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: CarolC
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 11:42 AM

Yeah, speaking of Pittsburgh, where were the teabaggers and the 9/12 people? Why weren't they there getting their heads cracked open with the rest of the people who are against the globalization of the economy? Did Glenn forget to send them the memo or what?

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Ebbie
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 12:38 PM

"They do their best to incite you so you'll look bad."

lol

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: frogprince
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 12:57 PM

"The Southern Poverty Law Center is the most virulent hate group on the face of the planet. They'll attack anyone"

Riginslinger, would you consider trying this? Follow the link Alice just gave. Then click on the map of Texas, which has the single largest number of identified hate groups,66. Skim the list. Identity any single one of the listed groups which does not rightly deserve to be recognized as a virulent hate group.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Riginslinger
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 01:20 PM

frogprince - If you buy into the SPLC's description of the organizations listed--depending, I suppose on your definition of a "hate group"--sure, they all fit.

             However, if you look up "The League of the South" on Wikipedia, that organization does not seem to fit the description that I have heard applied to a hate group. It's extremely right wing, and it's members seem to be hopelessly addicted to the ancient superstition of Christianity, but I don't seem to see evidence of them running around lynching people or things like that.

             They account for several of the enteries on the SPLC list.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: frogprince
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 01:54 PM

Looked over the League of the South's website. Interesting. The only thing they acknowledge being against is the Federal government. On the one hand, their level of rhetoric and disclaim of mailice toward anyone set sets them apart from the Klan camp. On the other, it seems pretty apparent that they (officially) have nothing against non-white people, so long as "anglo-celtic" people can keep the upper hand .

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 01:57 PM

Little Hawk your idea of white culture is colloquially trite simplistic and entertaining.

My definition would go more to the heart of killing the indians or subjugating people or torturing slaves or all the other things that made their expansion possible and excusable with their great Christian traditions and beliefs.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Alice
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 02:59 PM

I'm actually curious about what Beck meant by "white culture".
Did he mean private country clubs? What did he mean?

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: CarolC
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 03:05 PM

My own opinion is that he doesn't have a meaning for that term. I think he just used it as a code term for this, "ok, White people, this is your cue to start acting all victimized by our Black president".

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 03:12 PM

White culture is merely the high school clique all grown up which includes all the ranks of jocks to nerds with all the sub groups in between.

In its well heeled passive aggressive mode it is summed up in things like Red Lineing and quiet job discrimination.

In its poverty striken aggressive mode it is best expressed by lynching and groups which expouse white power

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 06:24 PM

... if you look up "The League of the South" on Wikipedia...
Aside from the inherent problems with Blog-O-Pedia, do you normally go to a tertiary derivitive source for your information whern primary sources - like the League's own webpage- are available?

Strange.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Riginslinger
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 10:00 PM

Well, Greg, if you go to the League's own webpage--which I did earlier--you find something that's even more benign than what's reported in Wikipedia.

               There's something to be said for thinking outside the box, as it were!

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 10:57 PM

I was simply describing the Canadian small town culture I grew up in, Donuel. It wasn't in itself evil in any particular sense, it was just a milieu where virtually everyone you ever saw or dealt with was White, so you got this general impression of life which I would term "White culture".

That's not evil, it's just a form of status quo, that's all.

Do you think that Sioux Indians (Lakota) did not themselves grow up in a milieu where everyone they saw and dealt with was a Plains Indian back before the Whites arrived? They did. So they were living in "Lakota culture". There wasn't anything evil about that either. It was just the cultural status quo.

If you want to get into a whole bunch of bitter guilt trips and recriminations over past historical wrongs of who did what to whom, you can do that, but you will never reach the end of it.

Consider this: Indians also attacked and devastated other groups of Indians, they tortured people in hideous ways, they enslaved people, and some Indian groups like the Aztecs ritually murdered many other Indians in human sacrifices.

One can get upset about that too now, if one wants to, but it doesn't seem to be very politically fashionable to do so at the moment.

I am not interested in the kind of negative psychology that endlessly obesseses over the past wrongs suffered by one group at the hands of another, because it usually just leads to inflicting further pain and prejudice when one does so.

I'm interested in people getting past all that stuff and embracing each other's good qualities and looking for what we have in common...not for what separates us.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 11:27 PM

Yes, I agree with the sentiment. Thus, I would be offended if anyone said that it was important to "defend the Aztec Culture".

Is this analogy okay, or am I nuts.

Actually both may be true.

Or neither.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Alice
Date: 30 Sep 09 - 08:06 PM

In a new post on the official White House blog, Online Programs Director Jesse Lee calls out Fox News for perpetuating lies about President Obama's push to bring the Olympics to the city of Chicago.

Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/30/white-house-calls-out-fox_n_305428.html click here


RHETORIC: BECK SAID VANCOUVER LOST $1 BILLION WHEN IT "HAD THE OLYMPICS." Glenn Beck said, "Vancouver lost, how much was it? they lost a billion dollars when they had the Olympics." [Transcript, Glenn Beck Show, 9/29/09]

REALITY: VANCOUVER'S OLYMPICS WILL NOT TAKE PLACE UNTIL 2010. Vancouver will host the 2010 Olympic and Paralympic Games from February 12 - 28, 2010 and March 12-21, 2010, respectively. [Vancouver2010.com, accessed 9/29/09]
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Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 01 Oct 09 - 12:13 AM

He's a Fox News jackhole.
Only the true believers still believe.
If Obama can be compared to Hitler by the Teabaggers, surely Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh, Coulter, Malkin, etc. can be compared to Goebbels. N'est ce pas?

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 06 Oct 09 - 05:26 PM

I am pleased to see that so many US corporations, and even now UK controlled corporations are boycotting advertising on Beck's show.

Now if they would only apply that to the whole of Faux "News" we might make some progress.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Alice
Date: 06 Oct 09 - 05:32 PM

From mediamatters.org:

"... confirmed that 19 new companies whose ads aired recently during Fox News Channel's Glenn Beck program have asked Fox to stop their ads from running or pledged to not to run ads on the show going forward. The latest additions -AmMed Direct, Citrix Online, Concord Music Group, Diageo, Eggland's Best, Equifax, Eulactol USA (producer of Flexitol), GetARoom.com, Hoffman La Roche (maker of BONIVA), Metropolitan Talent Management, ooVoo, Overture Films, Scarguard, Schiff Nutrition (maker of Tiger's Milk and Fi-Bar), Seoul Metropolitan Government, Subaru, Toyota-Lexus, Waitrose and Woodland Power Products, Inc. - bring the total number of companies that have distanced themselves from Beck to 80."

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Riginslinger
Date: 06 Oct 09 - 06:36 PM

But for every one who bails, there are ten more waiting to take their place!

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Ebbie
Date: 15 Sep 10 - 12:24 AM

What in the world is going on! Today Beck ranted about the liberals, saying that President Obama is going to - "because he is already doing it"- go to the "most violent, the worst of the worst, stir 'em up, get 'em out in the streets..."

What?

He also said that "it's a good thing that Alaskans have their guns because "if this country ever goes down the tubes, you won't be able to get (the guns) then, if "Putin comes shootin'", you're going to "find yourself fighting the Russians and the Chinese."

Robert Greenwald was on 'The Ed Show' where they showed a purple-faced Beck spewing this nonsense.

Greenwald said, "This level of hatred and viciousness and level of demagoguery is something to behold." He said that he's glad that broadcasters are drawing attention to the insanity (my word) because it is important to speak up, we need to do it NOW.

About today's primary election in Delaware, the GOP chair got a death threat because he didn't support the Tea Partier candidate but rather the other GOP candidate. The emailer said that the Chair deserves a "bullet to the head" for so doing.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Alice
Date: 15 Sep 10 - 12:39 AM

Sadly, there are too many people who are actually FANS of Beck.
Mad, mad, mad, mad world.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Ebbie
Date: 15 Sep 10 - 01:03 AM

Seems like there must be a law that governs hate speech. I realize that 'celebrities' and public figures are not as protected as the common folk but at the very least what Beck is doing is rabble rousing, inciting emotions that he kens not.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Sep 10 - 01:06 AM

Ebbie, if you are going to quote Glen Beck, do it via a link and not a paraphrase from a faulty or loose memory.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Ebbie
Date: 15 Sep 10 - 01:24 AM

I do not have a link, Donuel- it was video from The Ed Show.

And I did not rely on my "faulty or loose memory". I watched it twice and took notes. You might try that yourself- as I recall, some of your pronouncements are less than factual.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Sep 10 - 10:19 AM

When the goose does the same as the gander
you should expect the exact same slander.
When you repeat what you hear
Beck quotes of folly and fear
With no link who should believe you are grander

Hear the duck when it quacks its attacks
"Donuel has no actual facts"
While I could let it be
You clearly can see
Your BS has spilled from its sacks

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Ebbie
Date: 15 Sep 10 - 10:29 AM

Don't quit your day job, Donuel.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Sep 10 - 10:51 AM

Little Hawk,
My POV regarding my respose to Beck's use of the term white culture, had no connection whatsoever with your experiences in Canada. In fact was not aware fo them until now.
Clearly white culture has different meanings in everyone's point of view.

I seems that Beck makes everyone a bit testier than usual.

Since you point out the issue of past wrongs by various cultures, I recall speaking to my neighbor yesterday who said that the argument against immigrants by people who claim to be real Americans is the peak of absurdity since everyone is an immigrant with perhaps the exception of Native Americans.
I said, Why stop there?   Perhaps Native Americans could claim a sole exception to immigrant status but they are not all an isolated pocket of people, many are an almalgam of cultures diverse as Chinese, Egyptian, Viking and other pre historic migrations that can be partially traced with flint weapon developments and maternal DNA.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Sep 10 - 10:53 AM

Ebbie, I suggest you become the new Church Lady on SNL.
Just be yourself, You'll do fine.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Ebbie
Date: 15 Sep 10 - 12:32 PM

Now isn't that special.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Stringsinger
Date: 15 Sep 10 - 12:46 PM

The Reactionary Right Elite in the US has a propaganda technique that they have somewhat successfully employed. The accuse others of what they do themselves. It is a procedure
of turning an argument on its head. It has an Orwellian component to it. "War is Peace",
"Freedom is Slavery" and the Republicans have their "Ministry of Truth".

Beck is an attention grabbing entertainer who riles up his supporters through anger and fear. He offers no decent social solution to any of the problems he poses. It reminds me
of a "death metal concert" that has appeal for morbid audiences.

Beck's use of jingoism, rabid ranting and attempting to influence a base has a familiar
ring to it.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Bettynh
Date: 15 Sep 10 - 01:06 PM

The Ed Show

A Glenn Beck collection

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Amos
Date: 15 Sep 10 - 01:31 PM

The League of the South is a Southern nationalist organization, headquartered in Killen, Alabama, whose ultimate goal is "a free and independent Southern republic."[1] The group defines the Southern United States as the states that made up the former Confederacy.[2] While political independence ranks highly among the group's goals, it is also a religious and social movement, advocating a return to a more traditional, conservative Protestant Christian-oriented Southern culture. The organization is labeled a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: Greg F.
Date: 15 Sep 10 - 02:56 PM

The organization is labeled a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center.

And in addition they're a group of racist imbeciles. WAY beyond the lunatic fringe.

Subject: RE: BS: Glenn Beck - Obama's a racist
From: bobad
Date: 03 Oct 10 - 02:23 PM

Donald Duck Meets Glenn Beck in "Right Wing Radio Duck"