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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Slag Date: 03 Oct 10 - 11:41 AM Right on (ahem) Ggfs! What else can they do? I have posted elsewhere and years ago that the dates 1913. 1933. 1964 and 1982 will live in infamy. Only I'm not going to tell you why this time. You're going to have to figure it out yourselves. OK, did your get it? When we left the precious metals standrd(s) we put ourselves in the same position as Argentina, Mexico, All third world countries and many others. The Government abdicated it's responsiblity to be the sole issuer and guardian of specie and exchange medium (but hey! When has the government been responsibile in the positive sense of the word? Huh?) and now they are monitizing the debt. That's national bankruptcy! Are ya feeling STIMULATED yet kiddies? This is change we can believe in, CHUMP CHANGE! And about half this nation desrves what's coming too. Take a look at that Parker Brothers certificate in your pocket. Baltic and Mediterranean Ave., here we come! |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 03 Oct 10 - 12:02 PM I suppose that after the elections, and everything comes crashing down, both sides will once again start blaming each other....instead of the real culprits! It'll be interesting to see how they'll spin this one....in between the shit that will be flying. Folks, the agendas that I've been bitching about for about two years, on here, will have brought this nation down! Like I said, and you probably thought I was only joking, better stock up on guitar strings!....Food as well....and learn to live like, well,..how about Albania? Thank you, corrupted politicians! Thank you for the lies, thank you for not serving or representing the people. Thank you for your careers of taking us down, for your own profits. Thank you for sending all out work overseas. Thank you for your own secret economy. Thank you for not enforcing our borders, so your drug trade buddies could continue to send you pay-offs.....and of course, thank you for the 'Change'! Good Question GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Sawzaw Date: 03 Oct 10 - 12:49 PM First off everything that is priced in dollars will go up 10% automatically. But the value of your assets will be worth 10% less. It will hurt the rich people the most. Instead of $10 million, they will have to scrape by on $9 million. Poor people won't be hurt so much because instead of $10 thousand per year for example, they will still have $9 thousand to live off of. Now that's what I call real wealth distribution. Yayyyyyyy, the stimulus worked |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 03 Oct 10 - 01:19 PM Oh, Sawzaw, don't be silly....the poor can always get food stamps...just ask any socialist!..or Bobert! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 03 Oct 10 - 08:13 PM Devaluing the dollar will make our goods and services cheaper and therefore take a bite out of our trade deficit... I know for the Lyndon RaRouche, gold standard, flat-earthers her this is a shock but had the fed not done this it would have been irresponsible... Especially seein' ast the US is puttin' so much pressure on China to get outta the currency-propping game... Good on the Fed!!! Positive step in the right direction... That is, if they actually did it... I donno fir sure they did... Been at the Getaway and just gettin' home this evening and, as per usual, too beat from stayin' up late playin' music to read the Sunday Post I picked up on the way home... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 03 Oct 10 - 09:50 PM My Lord, how backward can a fella' get?....No Bobert, prices go UP, coupled with increase of those taxes you love, your buying power (man hour to compensation), just went down! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Sawzaw Date: 05 Oct 10 - 03:21 PM "Devaluing the dollar will make our goods and services cheaper [You are right about that part Bobert but only cheaper for foreingers paying with something other than dollars] and therefore take a bite out of our trade deficit" True but folks in the US will see higher prices cause it will take more of their dollars to buy the same stuff. Like oil [gasoline]. oil is priced in dollars. The price of oil is an indicator of the value of the dollar. Same thing for gold. If you were a farmer selling his wheat it would be worth more dollars because suddenly foreign people can buy it cheaper. There is a whole industry called Forex where people like Boss Hogg Soros are buying and selling different currencies as they revalue and devalue. They can affect the values of the currencies and run a country's currency into the ground while they rake in billions. average daily turnover in global foreign exchange markets is estimated at $3.98 trillion, as of April 2010 On Black Wednesday (September 16, 1992), Soros's fund sold short more than $10 billion worth of pounds sterling, profiting from the Bank of England's reluctance to either raise its interest rates to levels comparable to those of other European Exchange Rate Mechanism countries or to float its currency. Finally, the Bank of England withdrew the currency from the European Exchange Rate Mechanism, devaluing the pound sterling, and Soros earned an estimated US$ 1.1 billion in the process. He was dubbed "the man who broke the Bank of England." In 1997, the UK Treasury estimated the cost of Black Wednesday at £3.4 billion. The Times of Monday, October 26, 1992, quoted Soros as saying: "Our total position by Black Wednesday had to be worth almost $10 billion. We planned to sell more than that. In fact, when Norman Lamont said just before the devaluation that he would borrow nearly $15 billion to defend sterling, we were amused because that was about how much we wanted to sell." Stanley Druckenmiller, who traded under Soros, originally saw the weakness in the pound. "Soros' contribution was pushing him to take a gigantic position." In 1997, during the Asian financial crisis, then Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir bin Mohamad accused Soros of using the wealth under his control to punish ASEAN for welcoming Myanmar as a member. Soros has denied Mahathir's accusations. The nominal US dollar GDP of ASEAN fell by US$9.2 billion in 1997 and $218.2 billion (31.7%) in 1998. What is needed to cure the trade deficit is to start making things in the US again and tell the Chinese, up yours. But ya got people that would rather spend $20 for a Chinese drill than $50 for an American made one. They will talk about buying American made stuff and supporting the Unions but when nobody is lookin' they slip on down to the Harbor Freight tool store. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 05 Oct 10 - 07:58 PM Both of you would benefit from a decent college Econ 201 course... Perhaps rather tham just spew out Republican anti-obama, anti-government bullshit ya'll should check out: http://www.newyorkfed.org/aboutthefed/fedpoint/fed38.html ...and pay particular attention to the area on that report where it deals with the reasons from devaluation... Now, I will asdmit that the first time devaluation was expalined to me in college I was thinking, "Huh?".... But I sat thru an hour long explanation and at the end of the hour I got it... Of course, knowing the two of ya'll like I do ya'll prolly just default to "The Fed must go"... I fully expect that but the folks there know alot more about how currencies work than either of ya'llz... Or me, for that matter... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Sawzaw Date: 05 Oct 10 - 10:47 PM You could benefit from some facts. Got any? I even tried to agree with you when I could but forget that, your knee-jerk reaction is to turn it into a argument every time. YES BOBERT IT WOULD TAKE A BITE OUT OF OUR TRADE DEFICIT. I AGREE with you on that. Is that all it would do? All I see is a link to somewhere. Did you read it? Is there any downside? Yabetcha: Effects of Devaluation [from Bobert's 1999 link] A significant danger is that by increasing the price of imports and stimulating greater demand for domestic products, devaluation can aggravate inflation. If this happens, the government may have to raise interest rates to control inflation, but at the cost of slower economic growth. Another risk of devaluation is psychological. To the extent that devaluation is viewed as a sign of economic weakness, the creditworthiness of the nation may be jeopardized. Thus, devaluation may dampen investor confidence in the country's economy and hurt the country's ability to secure foreign investment. Another possible consequence is a round of successive devaluations. For instance, trading partners may become concerned that a devaluation might negatively affect their own export industries. Neighboring countries might devalue their own currencies to offset the effects of their trading partner's devaluation. Such "beggar thy neighbor" policies tend to exacerbate economic difficulties by creating instability in broader financial markets. Since the 1930s, various international organizations such as the International Monetary Fund (IMF) have been established to help nations coordinate their trade and foreign exchange policies and thereby avoid successive rounds of devaluation and retaliation. The 1976 revision of Article IV of the IMF charter encourages policymakers to avoid "manipulating exchange rates...to gain an unfair competitive advantage over other members." With this revision, the IMF also set forth each member nation's right to freely choose an exchange rate system. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Since the great depression the IMF has been advising against devaluation. Wonder why? Is that what caused the Great Depression Bobert? More here |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Sawzaw Date: 05 Oct 10 - 11:00 PM "Yet where does this anarchy exist? Where did it ever exist, except in the single instance of Massachusetts? And can history produce an instance of a rebellion so honourably conducted? I say nothing of it's motives. They were founded in ignorance, not wickedness. God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure." |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 06 Oct 10 - 08:56 AM What you ***fail*** to realize, Sawz, is that a currency can be "revalued" after the "devaluation" has done what it is supposed to do... That is a major failing on yer part and shows hw little you understand "fixed rate" currencies as opposed to "floating currencies"... Like I said... You need a college economics course so that your knowledge base will be large enough to see the entire picture... Do you have any idea why the Feds have done this in the first place??? I do... Maybe you'd like to reread the entire link and try to figure out why this is a good thing for our economy... But then again, maybe you'd rather ignore the fact that we are competeing in a world economy and have to react to stuff that is negatively impacting our ability to compete (and create jobs)... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Donuel Date: 06 Oct 10 - 02:47 PM As you can see it is a terror org. http://usera.imagecave.com/donuel/don/TEAPARTYLAND1.jpg |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Donuel Date: 06 Oct 10 - 03:09 PM Bobert, When I have given a econ 101 course or a 101 course on anything here, people complain that it is oversimplified. Fundamentals however are essential... The difference between conservative and progressive... The COnservative believe that you are on your own. They believe that having the money from accomplishment or inheritence is the key to repondsibility for one's own needs and wants. The PRogressives believe that we are all in this together. They believe that pooling our resources can afford to benefit the least of us with essential services that we can not afford or provide for ourselves. If you are rich it is easy to side with conservatives since you can afford your own security force or even your own fire department. You might say "Why should I pay for some one else's needs?" They are either lazy or stupid. Tough as it may be Social Darwinism will weed out the defective people in our country by ignorance or starvation. If you are not rich you would hope that there is a public land and a public good so that you can afford roads, services and essential needs. You would want less to be privatized. If everything is privatized, not only does a middle man take a huge slice of profit before the service is delivered but it always goes up in price. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 06 Oct 10 - 08:31 PM Yeah, Donuel, that is purdy much it except... ...that does not explain why so many undereducated people are prefectly willing to be whipped up into a lather to hate Dems and Obama when it's the Dems and Obama who have their best interests at heart??? B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Greg F. Date: 07 Oct 10 - 09:20 AM and conversely why the same morons embrace the Repubs & the Tea-Baggers who have been screwing them for years. False class consciousness? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Sawzaw Date: 07 Oct 10 - 09:44 AM Once again Bobert ignores the facts presented in his own link. The dangers of devaluation. And he refers to economics classes as a reason to ignore the dangers he brought into the discussion. He takes an elitist stance "you cannot under stand this, it is way over your head and us progressives know what is best for the masses" As per his article: "A significant danger is that by increasing the price of imports and stimulating greater demand for domestic products, devaluation can aggravate inflation. If this happens, the government may have to raise interest rates to control inflation, but at the cost of slower economic growth." Now if that ie wrong, Bobert, if that is not a danger, why did you cite that article??? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Sawzaw Date: 07 Oct 10 - 10:11 AM Bobert are you jest an ol' Hillbilly calculatin' with with your WSGR or are you a highly educaited college economics perfesser? IMF Warns On Currency War [But Borbert says not to worry, just leave it up to the Progressives] Los Angeles 10/06/2010 The IMF head said that the growing trend towards devaluing currencies may obstruct global economic recovery, as the dollar fell further Wednesday. Predictions that Federal Reserve is once again planning measures that can lower the dollar's value, combined with China's refusal to allow Yuan to rise quickly, have made currencies the hottest topic at the summit of finance chiefs from G7 countries. Few people expect any meaningful agreement at the G7 meeting or the IMF summit that follows. Commenting on US policy, Nobel economics laureate Joseph Stiglitz said, "It's doing nothing for the American economy, but it's causing chaos over the rest of the world. It's a very strange policy that they are pursuing". The dollar suffered more losses Wednesday, plummeting to an eight and-a-half month trough versus a basket of currencies and moving towards a fifteen year low against the yen. The trend pushed Tokyo to intervene last month and devalue the yen, while some other countries have either followed its footsteps or are planning to. Dominique Strauss-Kahn, the managing director of IMF told the Financial Times, "There is clearly the idea beginning to circulate that currencies can be used as a policy weapon". He further added, "Translated into action, such an idea would represent a very serious risk to the global recovery ... Any such approach would have a negative and very damaging longer-run impact". The IMF, which will hold its twice-yearly summit this weekend in Washington, is also likely to talk about foreign exchange measures as part of its goal to get nations working towards balanced global development. ==================================================== I believe the solution is for us as a people, We The People, not the government whom some want to be our babysitter, to tell China, Up yours with your cheap shit and quit being a bunch of PC pussies about it. Yeah the government allowed the US to get in the position of owing them a bunch of money but if they screw us up too bad, how are they going to get it back? That "ownership" for debt goes both ways. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 07 Oct 10 - 10:13 AM Listen, Sawz... All you are doing is digging a deeper hole... You must think tyhis is like a couple hundred years ago... In this global economy if you are not willing to do what needs to be done in terms of "reality economics" then you are falt out not qualified to ***lead***... Period!!! Stickin' yert dumbass head in the sand is not a responsible option... Shit doersn't just go away because you wish it would... The Fed is trying to create jobs... Guess you don't care about jobs??? Normal... The Repubs keep saying they are into job creation but fight every conventional way that a government can create jobs... And please spare US that worn out mythology about tax cuts creating jobs 'cause that is a bogus argument... The Fortune 500 is sitting on piles of uninvetsed cash now ($1.7T has been reported) so giving them a bigger pile of uninvested cash ain't gonna do squat except take yet more money out of the economy... Might of fact, Sawz... Me thinks you are clueless as to what goes into the GNP... Like I have said before... You understanding of basic economics bears no resembelence to reality... You need to learn yerseff up on this stuff before exposing anymore of "Econ According to Sawz"... Right now, seems tyhat all you are intent on doing here, other than demonstrating just how out of control you obsession is with me is showin' just how ignorant you are... Have at it... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 07 Oct 10 - 10:42 AM BTW, ya'll... Talk about terrorism... Remember how you felt in the Fall 0f '08 with the economy corkscrewing toward the ground??? If we were to turn the economy over to the Tea Partiers with their very limited understanding of how things work in the ***real world*** those days would be looked on as the "good old days"... I mean, we have Tea Party folks writing into the newspaper every week here in Page County, Va. and they are some very scarey people with some very simplistic answers to some very complex problems... Cutting taxes and trying to cut the deficit is not posssible unless the government makes major cuts that, in themselves, would remove enough overall spending in the economy to cripple the country forever... I mean, how do you spell "failed state"??? The fortunate part of this is that Obama can veto any dumbass flat-earth laws that would be passed by a dumbass Congress catering to some very uneducated dumbass people... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Sawzaw Date: 07 Oct 10 - 10:09 PM "Obama can veto any dumbass flat-earth laws that would be passed by a dumbass Congress catering to some very uneducated dumbass people." He can but he don't. And it is lobbyists that the Congress is catering to. That's why his health care bill has only raised the cost of health care. He says he has created jobs. People who don't have jobs disagree. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 07 Oct 10 - 10:48 PM Lobbiests!?!?!.... They wrote the entire Medicare perscription unfunded legislation word for word and then wee into the morning ordered their boys to break with Congressional rules to bully their people into voting for passage... What you don't/can't/won't see there, Sawz, is that the progressive agenda is completely trumped by corporate money and has been for pushing 35 years... And every year that goes on is another where the average workin' stiff is completely disrespected -that is if he/she is lucky (ha) enough to have a a fuckin' job working fir Boss Hog - and pushed further toward indentured slavery... This is like, ahhhhhh, Boss Hog Heaven!!! Got one foot on workin' man's neck and the other on a pile of stolen cash... Now we got all these John Galt's runnin' 'round the streets yellin' "Thunderdome" time... Ya'll slackin' folks who don't wanta work, die... I mean, wait until it is them that needs the government and then the government be their best friend... Square business... BTW, ya'll... Wonderin' where all that "2nd Ammendment remedies" crap done gone??? Hmmmmmmmmm??? I mean, kinda nice not to hear it but the scarey thing is that before the folks that know how ya gotta sound to get votes do the make-over ya' gotta wonder just how a PR make-over changes what people really believe??? B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Sawzaw Date: 07 Oct 10 - 11:02 PM So Lobbyists did not write the Health care reform bill? Is that what you are saying B? I think Obama said lobbyists would not have any influence any more. That was one of the main reasons people voted for him. He was going to change things. Hope and change. Did he change anything or was he just bullshitting us to get elected? Saddest part is he had the vast majority of the people behind him. A majority in the House and Senate. Politically like minded cronies abounded. I was hoping he would change things. I was willing to cut him some slack. I think we need a change. And what the hell is Thunderdome? Where is it at? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 08 Oct 10 - 08:18 AM A 35 year old terriby flawed economic/political system won't/can't be overhauled with one party hell bent on using every concievable trick to prevent the changes that are needed to create a new and workable system... It is apparent tickle-down voodoo economics has been bad for out working'middle class as it's wages have been stagnant during the entire duration of Reagan's little experiement... And if left in place, there is a very real possibility of seeing the country fall into something that resembles "Madd Max, After the Thunderdome"... Or into something advocated by Ayn Rand in "Atlas Shrugged" (refernce of John Galt)... Google up "Mad Max, After then Thunderdome" and you'll get my drift... BTW, change isn't continuing to move wealth to the rich... That is voodoo economics... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 08 Oct 10 - 08:41 AM BTW, this blind support for a failed economic system is "terrorism" in itself... Ask the folks who are seein' their American dfream run thru Boss Hog's dream-shredder... Lotta of that going on now with unprecidented evictions and foreclosures, homelessness, elderly folks having to take their adult children and their children in, poverty rates on the rise, etc., etc... Lots of different kinds of terrorism but this is one that the Tea Party has signed onto... That what I mean by "dupes" 'cause in the end most of the Tea Party folks will be victims of the failed system they are out beating the drum for continuing... Go figure??? B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Sawzaw Date: 08 Oct 10 - 01:49 PM Sorry but I am not basing my life on a movie or a figment of someone's paranoid imagination. That is a scare tactic. If we don't pass this stimulus bill, the unemployment rate will go over 8% That's a scare tactic. "wages have been stagnant during the entire duration of Reagan's little experiement" After analyzing the data from the U.S. Department of Commerce Table A-3: Selected Measures of Household Income Dispersion: 1967 to 2003 pages 36-37 which can be seen here I find the following average income decreases and increases: Up by %5.54 during the Nixon / Ford administration Down by %1.56 during the Carter administration Up by %5.29 during the Reagan administration Up by % .12 during the Bush I administration Up by %6.92 during the Clinton administration That is if I am adding up the percentiles wrong. Maybe someone could check my results. I could be wrong. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 08 Oct 10 - 02:35 PM And you shouldn't, Sawz... But what we do need to at the very least think about how some every civilized societies ended with homes burning and people killin' one another... "Those who don't know history tend to repeat it"... Voltaire... Lotta truth to that and to poo-poo the reality that these things can happen is being an irresponsible participant in a democrarcy... As for your stats, Sawz... Now go back and "index" them... That is if you know what that means... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Sawzaw Date: 08 Oct 10 - 02:59 PM Did you index yours perfesser? Where is the information about "wages have been stagnant during the entire duration of Reagan's little experiement" I produced mine. Where are yours? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Sawzaw Date: 08 Oct 10 - 11:35 PM "I don't want to present myself as some sort of singular figure. I think part of what's different are the times. I do think that for example the 1980 was different. I think Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not. He put us on a fundamentally different path because the country was ready for it. I think they felt like with all the excesses of the 1960s and 1970s and government had grown and grown but there wasn't much sense of accountability in terms of how it was operating. I think people, he just tapped into what people were already feeling, which was we want clarity we want optimism, we want a return to that sense of dynamism and entrepreneurship that had been missing." I agree. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 09 Oct 10 - 08:22 AM Jus' a qucik note: leaving for Richmond Folk Festival now and then on to NC so ya'll gonna have to fight with Sawz until I get back on a pudder, whenever that is... BTW, did you index yer numbers yet, Swaz??? Gotta go... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Sawzaw Date: 09 Oct 10 - 09:42 AM lest I be accused of not answering questions, no I did not index them. I assume that means to index them to inflation. If my assumption is wrong, let me know. However no one has provided any evidence to the contrary so they must be correct. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Bobert on the road Date: 09 Oct 10 - 07:49 PM No, Sawz... Most wage stats are tied to an index... Mostly inflation... If a guy gets a 2% raise, fir instance and the inflation rate fir the year is 4% then he's out 2% in purchasing power... This is what has occured since the early 80's... Okay, there may be some years where there were modest gains, after indexing... These weere mostly in the late 90s but they were, at best, very modest... If we look at the entire 30 year period we see that wages for the working class (indexed) have been stagnant... Here the rub... If we look at household that are in the upper 10% they have done exceedingly well... That may not be a problem fir you but it it is a major problem fro our economy... Yeah, I am sure that most people who are rich would love fir the economy to just bounce back and that the working class would do better... The problem is that these folks are not being asked to participate in the recovery... They weren't asked to ante up for a war that many of them profited from mightially... And now they are funneling unprecidented amount of cash annoomously to defeat those who might ask them to be good neighbors... In other words, these folks are "takers"... They really don't give a shit about thwe working class if it means the slightest inconvience for them... They are sitting on hundreds of billions of dollars in cold, hard cash they they won't even invest in their own country??? Maggots!!! B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Sawzaw Date: 10 Oct 10 - 02:11 AM So where is the data that supports "wages have been stagnant during the entire duration of Reagan's little experiement"? How did wages do under the Carter administration with 38.9% inflation? Remember stagflation? If my numbers were correct that means income went down by 40.46% during the 4 Carter years, Still looking for your indexed numbers or whatever you have. You do have some data tho backup your claims don't you? Other wise my numbers must be right. By the way I have never called you a dumb ass or stupid or anything except a person that makes claims and is unable to back them up with facts. What do you call someone like that? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Bobert on the road Date: 10 Oct 10 - 09:29 AM Sorry, Sawz... But homey don't play yer narrow minded ball-games... I mean, I put up my sources then you bombard me with right winged blogs/lies and then next ting ya' know there is no longer any measningfull discussion but a war of right winged blogs and twisted stats coming from you... Sorry but I have a real like that isn't one that resmembles yer obsessive compulsive one... BTW, iinteresting day in Richmomnd yesterday at the Richmond Folk Festival... Tens upon thousands of people who look one heck of alot like what "real America" looks like and then a pic on the front page of todays Richmond Times of the Tea Party Convention... The festival was a mix of cultures and races... The Tea Party pic??? More of the same old white people... Could have been a Klan rally, sans the sheets.. Gotta go... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Sawzaw Date: 10 Oct 10 - 11:05 AM Narrow minded as in just focus on Reagan and ignore the inflation and unemployment he inherited from Carter? Any time you want to present some data to support your "facts", I am ready and waiting. Until then you remain someone who does not back up your claims. You are missing an opportunity to prove me wrong. By the way I never said you were wrong about Reagan. I went to check your claim and posted what I found. I also said I could be wrong but you refuse to prove anything. You would rather call people names and accuse them of lying than to back up your end. Did you go to the tea party convention? Richmond Tomes-dispatch: While the overwhelming majority of attendees at the Greater Richmond Convention Center were white and older than 50, there were signs of a growing base for the tea party. Daniel Cortez of Stafford County, for example, is half Hispanic and half Native American and considers himself "a tea-party guy." Cortez, 59, is a disabled Vietnam War veteran and immigration activist who has been both a Democrat and Republican but never felt at ease on either side of the aisle. That changed when the tea party came along. "What's inviting to me is that the tea party is representative of democracy at its true core," he said. "There's no partisanship. It's about who best can serve following the tenets of the Constitution -- responsible government, responsible spending and responsible taxation." Cortez said the tea party is "absolutely not a conservative movement," calling it instead the "party of America." To Cortez, the tea party is about patriotism and a renewed hope for the future. "I was losing faith in my country, and the tea party gave me that faith back," he said. "I know my ethnicity, I am proud of my ethnicity, but I am more proud to be an American. That's what the tea party is all about to me." |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Sawzaw Date: 10 Oct 10 - 11:27 AM Richmond Times Dispatch: Richmond, Va. -- Amid the Great Recession, passage of the federal stimulus package in February 2009 sparked a fire of discontent that spread rapidly across the country. Fanned by bank bailouts and health-care legislation, what began as protests became a movement. Less than two years later, a federation of tea-party groups across the U.S. has become a potent political force united in distaste for taxes, big government, big spending, and the political elite. "It's a mixture of conservative ideology, a return to founding principles, and this really vehement anti-establishment piece -- and all three of those strands have come together and given this its scope of power," said Daniel Palazzolo, a professor of political science at the University of Richmond. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Bobert, on the road... Date: 10 Oct 10 - 08:53 PM No one ever said the Times-Dispatch had a clue... Their news department has always left a lot to be desired... BTW, who bailed out the banks??? Oh, and for the record... Any comment from any poli-sci professor from U or R is going to be slanted toward the Repubs as U of R is Repub territory... The Tea Party is a clueless batch of dupes bought and paid for... Nothin' more and nuhtin' less... I mean, you look at the pictures of them... They very much resemble the demographic makeup of the KKK... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 09 Jan 11 - 09:41 AM Cross hairs on a map of Dems to be defeated/assasinated... Second amendment remedies... Don't retreat, reload... Organized goons terrorizing town meetings... Guess after yesterday's events we have have a definitive answer and stopping the vote count can't change it... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: akenaton Date: 09 Jan 11 - 01:03 PM Are the Tea Party a terrorist organisation? possibly. Are the US and UK governments terorist organisations? Definitely! |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Greg F. Date: 09 Jan 11 - 02:12 PM New post-Giffords bumper sticker: Guns don't kill people The Tea Party Kills People. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: mousethief Date: 14 Jan 11 - 07:43 PM The Tea Party aren't terrorists, they're Robber Barons. Mike Lee: Federal Child Labor Laws Are Unconstitutional (VIDEO) Oh. My. God. These people are unbelievable. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 03 Mar 11 - 07:42 PM Tea Parties are for little girls with imaginary friends |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Stringsinger Date: 04 Mar 11 - 04:04 PM The Tea Party is a concoction by the Koch-coction brothers. It's a "brown shirt" organization funded by corporate businessmen who want to keep the money they have stolen from the tax-payer. (The Koch Brothers) It is not a legitimate grass-roots movement although it pretends to be. Packing heat is a method of intimidation but not different from the union-busting scabs and goons by company reps in the past. The Tea Party is a union-busting corporate sponsored organization that portends a putsch-type takeover in Congress. It is the extreme wing of the Republican Party. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Stringsinger Date: 04 Mar 11 - 04:13 PM Reagan was a tax and spend Republican. Today's Greedy Old Party wants to expand government to get into your bedroom and control women's bodies. Republicans want to tax you for their goals and try to fool you that they are in favor of cutting taxes. They are not in favor of cutting taxes for wealthy corporatists. They are not in favor of cutting taxes to support failed wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Republicans like taxes. Don't be fooled. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 04 Mar 11 - 09:43 PM The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? You mean, like the 'Weathermen'??? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 04 Mar 11 - 10:33 PM No, not like the Weatherman... The Weather Underground was 70% into anti-war and split evenly 15% about civil rights and 15% miscellaneous... I mean, I was there and part of it... Terrorism wasn't our bag, GfinS... But that is exactly what J. Edgar Hoover wanted people to think was our bag so he planted his boys who tried very hard to make it our bag but his plants stuck out like sore thumbs and we threw them out of groups from campus to campus all across the country... Every organizer I knew told me about the plants... I threw 3 of them out... I mean, these guys hadn't even had enough time to grow enough hair before trying to infiltrate... And all they wanted to do was talk about violence... We put 'um out... Most other chapters did, too... One day I'd love to see a documentary done by an independent film company on the Weather Underground... I mean, while there are still folks who can testify to what was real and was is mythology... It would be very nice to have the real story told rather than anecdotal stuff that really had nothin' to do with "the movement"... Square business... I was there and I know... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 05 Mar 11 - 01:41 AM Bobert: "...I mean, I was there and part of it... Terrorism wasn't our bag, GfinS... But that is exactly what J. Edgar Hoover wanted people to think was our bag so he planted his boys who tried very hard to make it our bag but his plants stuck out like sore thumbs and we threw them out of groups from campus to campus all across the country... " My first re-action was..... "W-H-A-T??????!!!!????" But, instead, can you back up your post??...with facts??...verifiable?? That's fair, isn't it? I will take an off topic, partisan rant, as a "No".... So, give it a shot. I'll be open minded...because I remember the history, too...so let's compare notes...fair enough?? Regards, GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 05 Mar 11 - 07:54 AM I can only testify to what I was part of and what discussions took place at the various meetings I was part of which included one high level one with William Kuntsler and Jerry Rubin organizers from about 30 colleges and universities from the Mid Atlantic region which ocured at UVa... Or one with Abbie Hoffman and others and reps from organizations from all the SDS chapters in the east coast which was held at Temple in Philadelphia... Or another one that I attended with SDS, White Panther and Black Panthers at Ann Arbor, Michigan... My memories are vivid (I know it was the 60s but I remember them well)... That's why I suggested tan "independent film company", with no dog in the race, doing a documentary while folks like me and the folks who are still around can testify as to what was really going on... There has long been this mythology about what SDS, SOC, the Weathermen, Yippies, were all about... I mean, there is still a wealth of resources that still available... Another 10 years??? Probably not so... I mean, I met John Sinclair about 5 years ago an' he ain't getting no younger... He alone has alot of the story to tell... Anyway, I'll stand behind my statement that the Weathermen were about terrorism... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Sawzaw Date: 05 Mar 11 - 08:33 AM .....Appellant, Jerry Dale Lowe (Lowe), appeals his conviction and sentence for three violations of 18 U.S.C. Sec. 33 and one violation of 18 U.S.C. Sec. 924(c)(1). For reasons that follow, we affirm The events giving rise to Lowe's criminal prosecution occurred on July 22, 1993, at a picket line during a national strike by the United Mine Workers of America (UMWA)... ....As the vehicle driven by Kopplin approached the area where the pickets were waiting, his Ford Bronco was pelted by rocks, smashing the windshield. Hensley's vehicle suffered the same attack, with his windshield being broken. When York saw the rock attack, he initially slowed down and then sped up. As York was approaching the rock throwers, a bullet, fired from the creek side of Slab Fork Hollow Road from the area Lowe had positioned himself, entered the rear window of his pick-up truck, striking York in the head and killing him instantly. York's vehicle came to rest on the side of Slab Fork Hollow Road opposite the creek. The Chevrolet Club Cab's back passenger window was also struck by a bullet from the same area on the creek side of Slab Fork Hollow Road. When Kopplin attempted to aid York, the pickets continued to throw rocks until Woods realized that York was seriously injured and told them to stop. At that time, the pickets complied. The pickets then began running in a direction away from the vehicle in which York lay dead. Following the report of the shooting, the West Virginia State Police appeared at the scene with Corporal Bob Johnson (Johnson) taking the lead in the investigation. Statements were taken that night from a number of the miners who were present at the picket line. In his statement, Lowe admitted to participating in the rock attack, but specifically denied that he had been drinking. The continuing investigation in the case revealed that the bullet that entered the back of York's head had a "left-hand twist," which immediately suggested to the officers that they were looking for a Colt-manufactured pistol. A Colt Trooper Mark III pistol was known to be a pistol that could produce a "left-hand twist" marking on a bullet. It was later learned that Lowe, on a day previous to the day York was killed, possessed a Colt Trooper Mark III pistol at the picket site, having transported it to the picket site in his truck. On two occasions during the investigation, Johnson and FBI Agent Brad Hoffert asked Lowe if he had ever owned, traded, or possessed a Colt Trooper pistol. On each occasion, Lowe denied owning, possessing, or trading such a pistol..... More Here |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 05 Mar 11 - 09:10 AM I have seen TV documentaries here in Australia some years ago about 'the Weathermen' with interviews with some of those 'in the movement' that backs up what Bobert has said. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 05 Mar 11 - 10:18 AM Thank you, f-troupe... I'd love to see that video... I mean, I was in on a lot of planning sessions and one of the things we talked about over and over was the "FBI plants" who were trying to not only infiltrate to gather information but also to try to get people to do stupid stuff... The 3 that I threw out of a meeting at VCU wanted to fire-bomb the house of Warren Brandt, who was VCU's president at the time... And they had a couple folks who were with them until cooler heads prevailed... These agents were everywhere... And... ...600!!! B~ |
