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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 01 Jul 11 - 08:20 PM Works for me, Don... Most of the time I just "turn the radio up"... It's easier to do when sawz-troll doesn't find an accomplice... This time he found GfinS and used her since he could see that me and the GfinS ain't on the same page most of the time... I guess that's why this round has ended somewhat differently from other rounds... The sad part about this is the "needs" that Sawz must have that aren't being met in his real world life (if he has one)... That is terribly sad and it really breaks my heart that there are folks out there who have to resort to cyber-trolling to feel somewhat fulfilled... Like I said on in an earlier post: glad it ain't me... But it still is sad... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Don Firth Date: 01 Jul 11 - 08:41 PM My suspicion is that Sawzaw doesn't have much of a life in the 3-D world. Otherwise, how would he have so much time to put lengthy posts here on Mudcat, mostly cut-and-pasted from various Right-Wing web sites. Wading through all that garbage to find the kind of thing he wants to post here has to take a lot of time. I wonder if he's seen the out-of-doors lately—or spent much time recently with people who are actually in the room with him. I go away for awhile, and when I come back, he has another dozen long posts up. Hell, I don't have time to wade through all of that! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 01 Jul 11 - 09:00 PM I don't either, Don... I have read where computers will kinda tailor their searches to finding stuff you agree with and sawz says that his has nothing on "Dixiecrats"... Mine, I Google Dixiecrats and get 2000 sites about them??? That's purdy bad when your own computer takes over and decides what you need to know... Thankfully, I am curious so I Google up so many different things that mine hasn't taken to feeding me a steady diet of horse manure... No matter... Looks as if Saws is going to stalk Jack the Sailor for a while... Sorry, Jack, but happy to have him on to another person to obsess over... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Sawzaw Date: 01 Jul 11 - 09:27 PM Wasn't it Bobert that said he goes to mudcat and light up a stinkbomb? Isn't it Bobert's transparently vicious attempts at slander when he blames a poor deranged dead guy on the tea party and then coflates it to the Taliban and the KKK? How chickenshit is that? "from a document complaining to the NAACP, demanding that they somehow put an end to black conservatives receiving e-mails containing messages of this type" Try catching your breath and reading it before you characterize it. It was an interview with the NAACP in which condemened the use of the same racist terms Bobert uses. "his observations on the way things ARE" They are his projections on other people of what he claims they are saying when in fact it is what he is saying. He says someone is a "porch negro" and you claim that is the way it is? Then you are calling someone a "porch negro" too. Then you demand proof of when Bobert said it, put up or shut up I did and still you are not satisfied. Why don't you get Bobert to answer questions and support his facts? All he says is somebody is picking on him he is a victim and he does not have to answer. I always attempt to answer questions. i answer yours. Where are his? I am saying we need to put racisim behind us But Bobert keeps wanting to stir it up and keep it going as if he is the last buggy whip maker and wants to keep buggies in production. He just can't let racism go and balmes it on others. He holds "a view that sees white racism as endemic, and that elevates what is wrong with America above all that we know is right with America" |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Sawzaw Date: 01 Jul 11 - 10:16 PM Here ya go Don This is what you asked for. Bobert is going to claim I am stalking him but you are the one that wanted it. Anything else sir? Bobert Bobert Bobert Bobert Bobert Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 01 Jul 11 - 10:47 PM Idiot... Stalker... Mentally ill person... What more can I say??? Nothing... And I'm settin' about to say ***exactly that***, as in "nothing", in response to anymore of Sawz postings... Jesus said, "Shake the dust off your robe"... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Don Firth Date: 02 Jul 11 - 02:31 PM Just to finish off this libel of yours, Sawzaw. I read the posts that you linked to, and yes, indeed, Bobert used the words you said he did. BUT—I also read enough of the discussion surrounding Bobert's posts to get a good idea of the nature of the discussion. It's called putting the matter into context, Sawzaw, and that can totally change the nature and meaning of what is said. IN THE CONTEXT of the discussions, there is nothing in any of those posts to base an accusation of "bigotry" or "racism" against Bobert. He is talking about specific individuals, not about whole races or groups. I mentioned earlier my being criticized by self-appointed PC Police for singing "Black Girl" because I am white myself. And Richard Dyer-Bennet's being criticized for singing "John Henry," a song about a legendary black man while he, Dyer-Bennet, is white. Dyer-Bennet's answer was sharp and to the point. And I was told by four black friends and co-workers that criticizing me for singing "Black Girl" because it might offend blacks is utter nonsense, and that I should go ahead and sing the song. Bobert sings blues—and there are goof-ball people out there in the world, not black people, who object to white people singing blues because "blues is black music and white people shouldn't be allowed to sing it!" Jazz has its roots in the blues. So where do you draw the line? As to the verbiage that Bobert used in those posts ("porch Negro" and "house Negro"), I have heard black friends, during political discussions, use those same terms in relation to the very same people that Bobert was talking about. Yes, they are pejorative. As was one black friend's use of the expression "shuckin' and jivin'" in relation to one of these same black political figures within the Bush administration. Sawzaw, it's obvious to all that you've got some particular grudge against Bobert and that you are singling him out for special harassment in the form of what is legally libel and slander. Fortunately for you, you are hiding behind a "handle," which allows you to hide your real identity. Taking pot-shots from the underbrush the way you are doing is the sign of a coward! GET OFF BOBERT'S CASE!!! You are making a complete ASS of yourself. Push back from the computer, which you have to be spending all of your time in front of to be reading all the blogs you cut-and-paste from and spending so much time logged on to Mudcat. Go outside. Breath some fresh air. Got to the park. Watch the squirrels. Smell the flowers. For YOUR OWN SAKE, man, GET A LIFE!! Don Firth P. S. END of communication with Sawzaw. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Sawzaw Date: 02 Jul 11 - 04:22 PM "Taking pot-shots" is what Bobert does when he takes a dead guy with a lot in common with him, connects him with the tea party the KKK and the Taliban and chuckles about it as if he has done some intelligent thing that is going to make the world better. When some one refers to a certain individual as a "house negro" or a "porch negro" they are using a racist term as a pejorative. That is the whole idea. To denigrate a person because of their skin color, personal, political or religious beliefs. I do not do that. Furthermore Bobert does it in such a bellicose manner that it seems ingrained in his personality. Then he accuses the Tea Party members of doing the same which #1 he provides no proof and #2 makes believe it is OK for him to do so but wrong for someone else to do so. Bobert is the one that has attacked me and called me stupid insane etc. etc. because I disagree with him. This intolerance for anyone that disagrees with him is bigotry. His hatred for Condolezza Rice and Clarence Thomas speaks of bigotry. Would he using such harsh racial terms on a white person in the same position? Some people think Black people are under their care because they cannot take care of themselves, keep telling them they are victims and they need Democrats to take care of them. When they see one that does not follow their agenda, they can't control their racism and the racial terms appear. I have said umpteen times, we need to forget about skin color but Bobert types have to keep stoking the fire and blaming it on others. His constant statements of "facts" and his refusal to support his "facts" and his brags about his accuracy make me conclude his is a blowhard. He seems to enjoy arguing about his facts that can't support and insulting people in the process. I don't see him holding back on his vicious accusations of other people. "they want to kill so and so, so you need to by guns, they hate anybody that disagrees with them, they will kill them". I don't care who sings or plays what. If someone objects to someone doing something due to skin color it would be a racial matter. I started to post something here about Jackie Evancho and my limited interest in Opera but I did not do so because I thought you would claim I was patronizing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Stringsinger Date: 02 Jul 11 - 07:29 PM I looked at the Rasmussen poll and wondered how accurate it was since it didn't specify in what ways Americans agree with the Tea Party. The problem with polls is how they ask the questions. With a slight variation in the question, a reverse result is possible. The term "terrorist" has lost all sense of meaning because it can refer to any violent activity that is done in the name of an ideology, including nationalism or religion. It is a political football to be used to denigrate anyone who holds views that are antithetical to established ones by political officials. Maybe the Tea Party is a terrorist organization as is some of the policies regarding the US role in Afghanistan (Blackwater, Special Ops, and the CIA), Iraq, Libya, Pakistan, Gaza (the Mossad) and if these are called by that name would it apply? Maybe the term "terrorist" is generic and applies to any ideology that is enforced by violence with which someone doesn't agree. I remember when "communist" was the ad hominem term of choice to be applied liberally to anyone who was controversial and not in lockstep with the prevailing pseudo-national propaganda being sold to the public. To claim that the Tea Party is close to what Americans actually believe is really hard to accept as a legitimate appraisal since it's modus operandi is often a shield for corporate America, they, apparently divided on this point by their own members, some who claim a grass roots movement independent of corporate influence. I have not heard any Tea Party member on the media decry the Koch Brothers or their Americans for Prosperity which makes me suspicious that there is any genuine grass roots movement worth talking about. The Tea Party movement is predicated on a distorted view of American history through a misunderstanding of what the Boston Tea Party was about, a rebellion against the East India Tea Company and it's attempt to corner the market on the sale of tea in the Colonies. This is never presented in most history classes in grade or high school. BTW, there were no tea bags then. This underscores the trumped-up symbolism that the organization attempts to market. Also, a final note: counter-terrorism can be seen as a form of terrorism if it uses a violent response by fighting fire with fire. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 02 Jul 11 - 07:44 PM The Rasmussen Poll is the FoxNews of polling... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Sawzaw Date: 03 Jul 11 - 06:29 PM To me, a terrorist is someone that uses scare tactics. A person who employs terror or terrorism, esp as a political weapon. A person who terrorizes or frightens others. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: katlaughing Date: 03 Jul 11 - 09:35 PM "spose Ike was psychic?: Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Their number is negligible and they are stupid. - Dwight D. Eisenhower I hope he was correct! |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Don Firth Date: 03 Jul 11 - 10:05 PM Good quote, kat! Thanks for posting that. Just in case. For those who fell asleep in American History class or who are otherwise clueless-- Eisenhower was a Republican. He's also the President who warned the nation of the dangers of the "military-industrial" complex. (DAMN, it would help if people paid attention!!) Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 03 Jul 11 - 10:55 PM You beat me to that quote, Don... It was in Ike's farewell address to the nation and I think that given his past that we should have taken his advice... Since then we have be embroiled in war after war after war and gotten nothin' out of any of them... We have shredded trillions and trillions of dollars and wasted the lives of so many people that if the *US* didn't have nuclear capabilities, it would certainly have been implicated in War Crimes... Yeah, in the words of the late and great Waylon Jennings, "We need a change"... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 04 Jul 11 - 07:03 AM Bobert: "Yeah, in the words of the late and great Waylon Jennings, "We need a change"..." Still waiting..... GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 04 Jul 11 - 07:24 AM OR...... Bobert: "Yeah, in the words of the late and great Waylon Jennings, "We need a change"..." Still waiting.....?????????? I guess 'Change' was just another bullshit promise, from the same o' bullshit factory! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 04 Jul 11 - 08:34 AM Your blood sugar level must be low, GfinS... B;~) |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 04 Jul 11 - 07:44 PM I wonder if Don thinks I don't know why he is not answering my opera comment..... Too much food for thought, eh, Don, and you've got indigestion? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Don Firth Date: 04 Jul 11 - 08:35 PM GfS, you've got to learn to read thoroughly. Or at least scan a bit more thoroughly. On 01 July at 5:04 p.m., I responded to a post of Sawzaw's. Then, I inserted a divider (####) and wrote a fairly long and detailed answer to your question about Jackie Evancho's singing of Nessun Dorma and what Puccini may very well have thought of it. Along with some other obsevations. Go look. Actually, I've been waiting for your response to that, and wondering if you'd just lost interest. Why would you think I might not respond to your question? It's hardly one that would be any kind of challenge to me. Opera is a subject in which I am particularly well versed. Don Firth P. S. By the way, Barbara and I have guests coming this evening, arriving in about half an hour, so I probably won't be able to get back to you until tomorrow. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 05 Jul 11 - 03:21 AM Don, I found it.....the other stuff was going on, so I didn't check for a couple of days....I'm going to think about it....because, just as I was in perfect agreement with you, as far as to a concert versus opera performance,...wasn't there a 'gay' performance of it, in West Hollywood?..and even the female parts were men.... Both Judy Collins, and Dan Fogelberg did a version of Judi's Fogelberg, 'Since You've Asked' and this is her original version(She wrote it) Judy Collins 'Since You've Asked' ..and the change in the lyrics made it ok..but in opera, not so good...or the age or gender change. Hmm, I wonder why............What would you think Puccini would think?..and Why? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Don Firth Date: 05 Jul 11 - 03:27 PM GfS, maybe I'm missing something here. "...wasn't there a 'gay' performance of it, in West Hollywood?..and even the female parts were men.... Both Judy Collins, and Dan Fogelberg did a version of Judi's Fogelberg, 'Since You've Asked' and this is her original version(She wrote it) Judy Collins 'Since You've Asked' ..and the change in the lyrics made it ok..but in opera, not so good...or the age or gender change." A "gay" performance of what? Turandot? I don't know. I never heard of it if there was. And how does this relate to the videos you linked to (beautiful graphics, by the way). If there was a difference in lyrics between the two versions, I couldn't pick it up. Judy Collins' voice is as clear as a bell and her diction is quite precise, but in the Fogelberg video, the musical arrangement, lovely though it was, made the lyrics muddy and indistinct. So if there was a difference in lyrics, I wasn't able to distinguish it. But again. How does this relate? And what do I think Puccini would think of the differences between the Judy Collins and Dan Fogelberg videos? I haven't a clue! Could you clarify a bit? Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: pdq Date: 05 Jul 11 - 04:08 PM January 7, 2010 1:13 PM Conservatives Outnumber Moderates, Liberals, Poll Shows By Stephanie Condon Topics Polling (CBS/AP) The nation is becoming more partisan, Gallup poll trends from the past decade show, with self-identified conservatives outnumbering both moderates and liberals for the first time since 2004. Still, fewer than 41 percent of Americans identify as Republican or Republican-leaning -- eight points below the declining percentage of Americans who identify as Democrats or Democratic-leaning. An aggregate of 21 Gallup and USA Today/ Gallup polls from 2009 show that 40 percent of Americans call themselves conservative, while 36 percent identify as moderate and 21 percent identify as liberal. In 2008, by contrast, moderates matched conservatives at 37 percent while 22 percent called themselves liberal. The percentage of Americans identifying as either conservative or liberal has crept up over the past decade, Gallup concludes, while the percentage of moderates has declined. Though the percentage of conservatives jumped three points in 2009, the percentage of Americans who identify with the Republican party remained statistically the same in 2009 -- at 40.7 percent -- as in the previous year. The percentage of self-identified Republicans has declined in Gallup polls since 2004. More Americans -- 49 percent -- said they were Democrats or Democratic-leaning. However, 2009 was the first time since 2005 that fewer than half of Americans called themselves Democrats. Additionally, the percentage of Democrats steadily declined over the course of 2009. As many as 36.6 percent of Americans in 2009 said they were independents. The only other year this decade with that many self-identified independents was 2007, when 38.6 percent of Americans called themselves independent. *Stephanie Condon is a political reporter for CBSNews.com. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 05 Jul 11 - 05:38 PM Oh, another pol... Ho hum??? B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Greg F. Date: 05 Jul 11 - 06:09 PM The nation is becoming more partisan... Damn, PeeDee! Thats absolutely ASTOUNDING! Who would ever have believed it. [ I wonder how many if these self-defined "conservatives" can actually define the term. Did the poll include that? ] |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 05 Jul 11 - 07:43 PM Funny thing... When people are asked straight up about various policies they tend to be purdy liberal... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Sawzaw Date: 05 Jul 11 - 09:14 PM Obama a 'house negro', says Al-Qaeda Sydney Morning Herald WASHINGTON: Al-Qaeda's first message to Barack Obama after his election win shows a "panicked response" to his popularity, counter-terrorism experts said. In a propaganda salvo on Wednesday, Osama bin Laden's senior deputy condemned Mr Obama as a "house Negro" doing the bidding of white masters. Ayman al-Zawahiri called him "the direct opposite of honourable black Americans" such as Malcolm X. "It is true about you and people like you what Malcolm X said about the house Negros," he said in a video released on Wednesday, naming Colin Powell, the former US secretary of state, and, Condoleezza Rice, the incumbent, as others who fitted the description. He said the "new face" of America only masked a "heart full of hate" and warned Mr Obama that the US could face the same failures as the Soviet Union in Afghanistan if he makes true on his pledges to deploy thousands more troops there. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Don Firth Date: 05 Jul 11 - 10:43 PM Which kind of poops on the face of those who claim that Obama is secretly a Muslim, doesn't it! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 05 Jul 11 - 11:15 PM Obama a Muslim, Don??? Danged!!! Cool!!! We could use a Muslim president since it seems that the fringe bigots and racists in America are on one of their "We hate everyone else" binges... Maybe loosen them up a tad... lol... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Sawzaw Date: 05 Jul 11 - 11:55 PM At least Ayman al-Zawahiri agrees with Bobert about Condi and Colin being house negros. Bobert knows how to pick his fellow hatemongers and racists. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Don Firth Date: 06 Jul 11 - 01:11 AM Sawzaw, Adolf Hitler probably had the idea that the sky was blue and the sun rose in the east. You probably agree that the sky is blue and the sun rises in the east. (You DO, don't you!??) I guess that makes you a fellow mass murderer. That's the kind of "logic" you just used in your above post. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 06 Jul 11 - 01:28 AM Hi Don....Ok, maybe it wasn't clear. I was asking you, if you thought Puccini would have..umm..'approved'(for lack of a better word), of a female vocalist singing 'Nessum Dorma'..as in Jackie's performance, both because of her age, range(soprano) and gender. Next part, but related.... I posted the two, Judy and Dan's version of the same song('Since You've Asked')..BUT in the two versions, they changed just a couple of lyrics, so Dan's version is geared to singing to a woman, and Judi's is to a man....unlike Puccini's which is pretty well set, as to ONE set of lyrics...but with a soprano(Jackie), instead of a tenor, and NO lyric change...and sticking to the original.. Now go back, and re-read the first paragraph. See if that is clearer. GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Sawzaw Date: 06 Jul 11 - 02:47 AM You mean Adolph is associated with Bobert too? Man this is worse than I thought. He is right there in the center and others are only on the fringe. How about you? do you believe Condi and Colin are house negros? At least the NAACP had the decency to disagree. Here is another person that can be added to the list of Bobert's like minded people: ...Who cut off peoples hands in the Congo Who invented Aids Who put the germs In the Indians' blankets Who thought up "The Trail of Tears" Who blew up the Maine & started the Spanish American War Who got Sharon back in Power Who backed Batista, Hitler, Bilbo, Chiang kai Chek who WHO W H O/ Who decided Affirmative Action had to go Reconstruction, The New Deal, The New Frontier, The Great Society, Who do Tom Ass Clarence Work for Who doo doo come out the Colon's mouth Who know what kind of Skeeza is a Condoleeza Who pay Connelly to be a wooden negro Who give Genius Awards to Homo Locus Subsidere.. This guy was employed by the State of New Jersey when he wrote this. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 06 Jul 11 - 09:44 AM Who's this Puccini dude??? B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Sawzaw Date: 06 Jul 11 - 11:32 AM Another member of Bobert's think tank |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 06 Jul 11 - 06:08 PM So here's the deal folks... The Tea Party thinks that Obama created the national debt all by himself... Yup, that's gotta be what they are thinking or why else would they refuse to pay for the two wars that George Bush ordered up for pure political reasons and wouldn't pay for??? And now the bills have come in and the Tea Party says, "Not our problem"??? No, TeaParty/Redneck Nation, it is 100% your problem... You were the creeps who supported and cheered these wars on and called the anti-war folks all kinds of names because we didn't think there were any reasonable reasons to for the wars... But now the bills come in from Bank of China and the Tea Party wants to tell Chine, Who, BTW we sell billion$$$ of US products to, to "fuck off"??? That is not only stupid but it is suicidal for any economic recovery... Here's what I'd like all Tea Partiers to do... Stop running your stupid mouths long enough to call you creditors and tell them that you have changed your mind about those payment contracts you entered into and that you aren't going to pay them any more money... Teh I want you to take another hour off from running your stupid mouths in a month and call the three major credit reporting agencies and see what your CBI score is... Yeah, do that... When ya'll have done that please come back here and report how things are going in your life... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,999 Date: 06 Jul 11 - 06:10 PM Marginalize the bastards. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 06 Jul 11 - 07:59 PM They, unfortunately, in spite of their limited understanding how things work, have had upwards of a billion dollars throw at them and the morons are in Congress, brucie... It's lie cancer... I mean, knowing its bad and wishing you didn't have it doesn't change the fact that you have it... The voters will figure it out but not before they and thei masters (Koch brothers- air polluter and water poisoners and Dick Armey -health insurance companies) have set America back decades... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Don Firth Date: 07 Jul 11 - 06:41 PM Okay, folks. Time for another muzikul interlewd. Hey, GfS, are you there? No, GfS, I don't think Puccini would disapprove of or be offended by Jackie Evancho's singing of Nessun Dorma—nor of anyone else for that matter, be it another woman or, say, a baritone who wants to sing it in a recital and transcribes it to a lower key. In my estimation, he would probably think, "that's interesting—but a bit weird," and that would be about it. Except that I'm quite sure he would have thought that vocally, Jackie did it very well. There are lots of songs out there, written for specific parts in operas, operettas, Broadway musicals and such, for example, "Ol' Man River" from "Showboat" that are written specifically for a bass (I think Paul Robeson was the first to sing it on stage, but I could be wrong; at least he was well-known for singing it. But it would really be a bit weird to hear the song sung by a woman. But there are a lot of songs written for a specific part in a musical where, outside the context of the musical, the gender or voice type of the singer doesn't really matter that much, and in which a few words may be changed to accommodate the gender of the singer and the song still works well. Many of these songs that started out as Broadway show tunes have been excerpted from the musical that introduced them and have become part of the standard popular music repertoire, sung by singers of either gender and all voice types. I don't think composer who wrote a song for Frank Sinatra would be at all upset if Peggy Lee wanted to do it as well (changing a word or two to accommodate her gender)—especially if the composer is receiving his regular checks from ASCAP. But operatic arias, although frequently taken out of the context of the opera and sung in concert and recitals, are rarely sung by different genders or voice types. Mainly because no one wants to. They prefer to sing songs that are more suitable to them. Why should I, a bass, want to sing an aria written for a mezzo-soprano when the bass operatic repertoire is so full of great stuff to sing? I'll bet dollars to donuts that the choice of Nessun Dorma for Jackie to sing was made, not by Jackie, but by David Foster, because the aria is well-known from Luciano Pavarotti's having sung it a lot, not because it was suitable for Jackie. She did a nice job of it, but that's not the point. Beware of people who want to advise you and guide your career, especially if they have dollar-$ign$ in their eyes. #### By the way, a bit of sad news: Although I'm pretty sure I'd heard him on the Metropolitan Opera broadcasts on Saturday afternoons, I first became acquainted with Giorgio Tozzi when he dubbed the voice for Rossano Brazzi in "Some Enchanted Evening" in the movie version of "South Pacific." A couple of decades later, Seattle Opera included Mussorgsky's "Boris Godunov" in their season. Lavish sets and costumes, and an excellent cast of singers, headed by Giorgio Tozzi singing the role of Boris. I was familiar with the opera (I have a full-length recording of it with Russian bass Nicolai Ghiaurov singing the role of Boris) and Tozzi did an absolutely outstanding job, both singing and acting. Here he is, singing a scene from "Boris Godunov." It's the scene in which a conscience-stricken Boris hears that Prince Dmitri is leading a march against Moscow. Can't be! Because Boris killed him years ago and took over the throne himself. Because his conscience has been nagging at him, Boris is not too tightly wrapped. When the clock chimes, he begins hallucinating, and sees the blood-soaked body of the young prince Dmitri pointing at him accusingly. The clip runs about 15 minutes. Sung in English (as he did it in the Seattle Opera production) rather than in Russian. The Clock Scene. (Video and audio quality not real great.) GfS, when you mentioned knowing him, I googled a bit to learn more about him, and learned that he has just passed away, on May 30th, 2011, at the age of 88. He was in the hospital battling a case of pneumonia when he had a heart attack. Obit. I was really sorry to hear that. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 07 Jul 11 - 06:59 PM And we inch toward that 1000 mark one inch at a time... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Sawzaw Date: 08 Jul 11 - 01:30 PM SANTA CRUZ - A large group of protesters demonstrating at a May Day rally for worker's and immigrant rights downtown broke off into a riot vandalizing about a dozen businesses around 10:30 p.m. Saturday, police said. Many in the group were carrying makeshift torches as they marched, breaking storefront windows and writing "anarchist graffiti" on buildings, according to Capt. Steve Clark. Many businesses sustained multiple broken windows including very large storefront windows at Urban Outfitters and The Rittenhouse building. Police believe at least 15 businesses suffered damage. The violence was initiated from a group holding a rally at the town clock for May Day. Windows at Jamba Juice and Velvet Underground were left shattered and graffiti including anarchy signs were tagged onto buildings. Because of the size and violent demeanor of the crowd, Santa Cruz police asked for help from all agencies in the county to break up the riot. At one point, protesters lit a fire on the porch of Caffe Pergolesi and blocked access to firefighters, officers said. Police were able to clear out the demonstrators before more damage was caused. A large rock sat outside Verizon Wireless on the 100 block of Cooper Street, where vandals tried to break the window twice, according to Clark. "The damage that was caused was without purpose," Clark said. "It was senseless violence that victimized a community who cannot afford to be victimized in this manner. This did nothing to add credit to whatever they believed their cause was." One person, 24-year-old Jimi Haynes, a transient from Fresno County, was arrested for felony vandalism for damaging a window. Haynes is also wanted on a parole violation, Clark said. Police are searching for others responsible for the damage. Protesters cleared the downtown area around midnight. "Our entire team of investigators are processing the scene of violence for evidence," Clark said. "We will be looking at video available to try to Haynes was observed traveling with this group and breaking windows at the Dell Williams Jewelry store. Haynes broke two large display windows in the front of the store. The witnesses followed him and called police. Haynes was located by arriving Watsonville PD officers who detained Haynes, Clark said. Haynes is on parole out of Fresno County for burglary. He has been in Santa Cruz for the past several weeks where he has established an arrest history, Clark said. Haynes admitted to participating in the rally after receiving a flyer at a local anarchist café. Haynes was booked into Santa Cruz County Jail. Once order was restored, police detectives worked throughout the night to collect evidence and document the damage to each of the businesses, Clark said. The police department guarded exposed storefronts, and arranged for private security to watch the businesses until windows could be boarded, and responsible persons contacted. The police department encourages anyone with information (include any photos or video footage) to make contact and report the information. The police department will be working to identify and prosecute additional individuals involved in the march and subsequent violence. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 08 Jul 11 - 06:20 PM Thanks, Sawz... Tho I don't read any of your posts anymore this thread is limping toward the 1000 mark... That would be a first for any thread I've started... Katrinagate gave out in the 800s, if I remember correctly... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Jack the Sailor Date: 08 Jul 11 - 06:49 PM Well Bobz, I'm helpin ya get to the big 1 Kilopost mark! |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Sawzaw Date: 08 Jul 11 - 07:29 PM After being shreaded in his belligerent kamikaze killer attack on a poor guitar pickin dead guy in his rabid attempt to tie the Teaparty to the KKK the taliban, He now desparately attempts to switch the subject to the war ot the deficit. "You were the creeps who supported and cheered these wars on" Really? Obama is a creep? PHOENIX -- President Barack Obama told military service members Monday that the war in Afghanistan was: not a war of choice. This is a war of necessity. Those who attacked America on 9/11 are plotting to do so again. If left unchecked, the Taliban insurgency will mean an even larger safe haven from which Al Qaeda would plot to kill more Americans. So this is not only a war worth fighting. This is fundamental to the defense of our people. and that the U.S. would adhere to its timetable to withdraw troops from Iraq by the end of 2011. "By moving forward in Iraq, we're able to refocus on the war against al Qaeda and its extremist allies in Afghanistan and Pakistan," In September 2004, in the heat of his campaign for the U.S. Senate, Obama said (according to an AP report) that even though Bush had bungled his handling of the war, simply pulling out of Iraq would make things worse. Therefore, he himself would be willing to send more soldiers to Iraq if it is part of a strategy that the President and military leaders believe will stabilize the country and eventually allow America to withdraw. As President, I will make the fight against al Qaeda and the Taliban the top priority that it should be. This is a war that we have to win. We need a stronger and sustained partnership between Afghanistan, Pakistan and NATO to secure the border, to take out terrorist camps, and to crack down on cross-border insurgents. I will send at least two additional combat brigades to Afghanistan, and use this commitment to seek greater contributions with fewer restrictions from NATO allies. I have always thought that we did the right thing in Afghanistan. Oh and Bobert, why haven't you mentioned bombing Libya? Or Somalia? or Yemen? Who is responsible for them? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 08 Jul 11 - 07:50 PM Thanks, JtS... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Sawzaw Date: 08 Jul 11 - 08:02 PM Dang. Must be them skin head hate the government extreme right wing radical Sovereign Citizens again. Or not? ASHEVILLE, N.C. -- Police have arrested nearly a dozen people who are accused in a rampage through the downtown area of Asheville on Saturday. The spree, according to police, included 30 to 40 people dressed in black, wearing face-coverings and carrying hammers that they used to damage businesses and smash car windows just before 11 p.m. Saturday. Detectives have issued 112 warrants for Damage to Property. The 11 were also charged with a total of 33 felonies, 3 felonies for each suspect. The three felony charges were felony riot, felony conspiracy to riot and felony damaged property Bond for each suspect was raised to $50,000. Asheville police raised their estimate of total damage to nearly $20,000. The Asheville Citizen Times was one of several downtown businesses that had a front window smashed. Along with the windows, an automated teller machine was damaged at a bank. Most of the people arrested were from eastern North Carolina or out of state, police said. With several in the group reportedly yelling unintelligably as they vandalized, those on the rampage walked south on O'Henry Avenue and turned left on Battery Park Avenue. Some walked through the alley beside the Citizen-Times, where several employees of the paper had rushed to ensure the safety of their cars. The vandals are believed to have ties to an anarchist website associated with the May Day movement, which has become a day of solidarity for marking worker solidarity and has been seized upon for anticapitalism displays of violence. "What's most upsetting is that these young college kids are not from Asheville. Why pick on a small town," said Ruth Summers, executive director of Grove Arcade Market Foundation. The Eye Center on O'Henry Avenue was the first target in a line of destruction. A rock shattered the front door made of glass. "I'd like an apology. I'd like them to pay for the damage," said owner Paul Endry. Nov. 24 in the dead of night, we attacked the Department of Corrections (DOC): Division of Community Corrections on McDowell St. in Asheville, NC. Six DOC vehicles were disabled. Their tires were slashed and their windows destroyed with glass etching fluid. "Burn the Prisons" and a circled A were scrawled across DOC building's veneer. This building oversees the administration of probation and forced drug texts. It is one institutional position of the DOC. It is linked to the Prison Industrial Complex, and the police apparatus. We did this as an attack against this institution in particular and the police apparatus in general. We did this as an act of revolutionary solidarity with comrade Eric Oseland, comrade David Japenga, and comrade Alfredo Bonanno, who was recently released from Greek Prison. In a world dominated by these institutions and saturated by police, we did this to show that we will not be neutralized, and that it is absolutely possible and imperative that we fight these motherfuckers. Love and solidarity with all prisoners and POWs in social war. I guaranty that if every law I guaranty that if every law abiding citizen were to become aggressively non-cooperative that the system would collapse from exhaustion. The social order survives because the American majority hold it together by consent in an orderly cooperative fashion. With 90 % staying in line; going to work, school, consuming, and paying their taxes and obeying all laws EVERYDAY, I'm for certain that even if 100 million people peacefully holding a sign all at the same time saying "end the war" would do absolutely nothing, which just goes to prove my point even further once again. To say "That mentality sounds just about as fucking stupid and dogmatic as pacifism" is not only disregarding the successful overthrowing of governments through out history but also selling your self short as if the human-race have no hope of pulling them selves out of their situation no matter what course of action they take no matter how hard they try. THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE! To say that it is hopeless is just as good as believing life has no purpose or value, so there for what's the use of doing anything but trolling on anarchist websites to pea in everyones soup. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Don Firth Date: 08 Jul 11 - 08:09 PM Gee! I thought those folks were from Biblical times and had long since past into the mists of early history. But judging from a couple of posts just above, apparently not. Babble-on-ians. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 08 Jul 11 - 09:26 PM Yo, Don... If Sawz ever makes any sense please PM me... But I guess that won't happen... No matter... another couple posts closer to that big 1000... Thanks, B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 08 Jul 11 - 09:41 PM Oh heck... |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 08 Jul 11 - 09:41 PM 999... |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 08 Jul 11 - 09:42 PM BINGO!!! B~ |