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Subject: RE: Eurovision Song Contest From: Doug Chadwick Date: 03 Jun 10 - 02:31 AM I'm not sure how one would judge the finals of a contest like that. How does one decide if one singer is better than another, if they're both equally gifted vocally? It's a song contest, not a singers' contest. The singer's job is to present the song in the best way so that it can be judged against other songs. There are groups of countries which give the high scores to each other: ex-USSR ex-yugoslavia scandinavia Neighbouring countries, especially those brought up within an imposed political structure, are likely to have similar cultures. So it is hardly surprising if they have similar musical tastes. DC |
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Subject: RE: Eurovision Song Contest From: LadyJean Date: 02 Jun 10 - 11:25 PM I'm not sure how one would judge the finals of a contest like that. How does one decide if one singer is better than another, if they're both equally gifted vocally? |
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Subject: RE: Eurovision Song Contest From: Rusty Dobro Date: 02 Jun 10 - 04:55 PM I thought the Albanian girl was very good = I believe she sang a song, too. How did she travel to the venue? - I wonder if she had to travel in a speedboat overnight to Bari in Italy, then overland in the back of a lorry, like most of the other Albanians I've met? |
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Subject: RE: Eurovision Song Contest From: MudGuard Date: 02 Jun 10 - 02:03 AM I (as a German) can't understand how the German singer (if one should call her that) could win. I didn't watch the competition, but heard Lena's song (German song would be wrong as the song is in English) a few times. She can't hit the correct notes (if she does, it is probably by chance). And her voice is squawky. My toe-nails roll themselves when I hear that voice ... So as Lena has won, obviously all the other songs must have been worse than Lena's. Which I can't believe. So the scoring must be crap. If I look at the results, I see the usual (music independent) pattern. There are groups of countries which give the high scores to each other: ex-USSR ex-yugoslavia scandinavia ... |
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Subject: RE: Eurovision Song Contest From: LadyJean Date: 02 Jun 10 - 01:51 AM Norway's dad was born and grew up in the United States. Her family name is Riley. |
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Subject: RE: Eurovision Song Contest From: Rob Naylor Date: 01 Jun 10 - 02:57 PM If the programme was "QI", it's notorious for getting things wrong/ presenting urban myth as fact. |
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Subject: RE: Eurovision Song Contest From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 01 Jun 10 - 01:26 PM Not sure I quite see how that works. I mean, it isn't called the World Song Contest. Though in some cases "song" is a bit of a misnomer, I suppose, since the song itself tends to be a very insignificant part of the act. |
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Subject: RE: Eurovision Song Contest From: Backwoodsman Date: 01 Jun 10 - 08:32 AM "[The World Series] is named after the newspaper that was its original sponsor Sorry, but that is an urban myth. See this article from Snopes. " Well, Ed, my info was more recent than the Snopes stuff, from a programme put out by, I think, the BBC. But if Snopes is right then I have to agree with the original comment that prompted my above response:- "Anyway, It's no sillier when the USA have some sporting competition called The World Series, when only the USA take part! Lol!" Absolutely! |
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Subject: RE: Eurovision Song Contest From: Smokey. Date: 31 May 10 - 05:07 PM I'm still not interested. But Ireland should have won; they was robbed. |
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Subject: RE: Eurovision Song Contest From: Arthur_itus Date: 31 May 10 - 05:01 PM Blimey, I started this as a joke thread. Didn't expect so many posts :-) |
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Subject: RE: Eurovision Song Contest From: Tattie Bogle Date: 31 May 10 - 04:41 PM I ws out playing at a ceilidh: much better way of spending a Saturday evening! As it was a family ceilidh we had an extended "Grand Old Duke of York" set, and the "Jeely Piece Song" by Adam McNaughtan (now THERE's a good song!!) Sadly Matt McGinn, who sings it on this clip is no longer with us, but Adam is, so maybe he should do next year's UK entry! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8A7SAPmcwXA&feature=related |
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Subject: RE: Eurovision Song Contest From: VirginiaTam Date: 31 May 10 - 12:36 PM thanx for the update to origins of title World Series, Ed. |
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Subject: RE: Eurovision Song Contest From: Rob Naylor Date: 31 May 10 - 12:14 PM B3L: Why do they need those hideous dancers ??? To distract one's attention from the fact that the song's crap? Cynical? Moi? |
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Subject: RE: Eurovision Song Contest From: GUEST,Ed Date: 31 May 10 - 07:25 AM [The World Series] is named after the newspaper that was its original sponsor Sorry, but that is an urban myth. See this article from Snopes. |
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Subject: RE: Eurovision Song Contest From: Bonzo3legs Date: 31 May 10 - 07:19 AM Why do they need those hideous dancers ??? |
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Subject: RE: Eurovision Song Contest From: VirginiaTam Date: 31 May 10 - 07:05 AM Thanks for that bit of information Backwoodsman... tucking that into my defense magazine when UK acquaintances fling it into my face. Decided I needed to listen to Bjork today.. So Debut is playing now. |
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Subject: RE: Eurovision Song Contest From: Alan Day Date: 31 May 10 - 04:16 AM As this is a song contest the German entry did not seem to me as if it had any tune to it. Certainly I would not walk down the road whistling the tune. The Portuguese entry however had a lovely tune content. I suppose as usual it is a matter of taste Al |
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Subject: RE: Eurovision Song Contest From: Backwoodsman Date: 31 May 10 - 02:28 AM "Anyway, It's no sillier when the USA have some sporting competition called The World Series, when only the USA take part! Lol!" I used to think along those lines too, until it was explained to me that the competition is named after the newspaper that was its original sponsor, so it's not 'The World Series' at all, it's 'The World' Series. Puts a different perspective on it, don'cha fink? |
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Subject: RE: Eurovision Song Contest From: Ernest Date: 31 May 10 - 02:05 AM When I watched a bit of the german pre-contest (esp. the jury) I thought instead of fighting themselves our singing heroes are going to cast the virgin sacrifice nowadays.... So now that you have given all your votes to Germany you expect us to save all crashing economies, right? |
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Subject: RE: Eurovision Song Contest From: Bonzo3legs Date: 30 May 10 - 06:01 PM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH9C2GIVOZM There you go - Wolfe by the Albion Band, play it loud then listen to the Irish entry!!!!! |
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Subject: RE: Eurovision Song Contest From: Rob Naylor Date: 30 May 10 - 05:52 PM It is. Typical S, A & W song and production. Like 101 other hits they produced in the '80s. Utterly bland and forgettable. Here it is in all its awfulness. Thanks (???!!) Terrible. And perormed by a plastic pastiche of an X-Factor contestant! |
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Subject: RE: Eurovision Song Contest From: Bonzo3legs Date: 30 May 10 - 05:48 PM At least you can zip through the songs in a few minutes on the BBC iplayer, all of which were dire, except possibly the Irish entry. However, the little solo sounded ominously like the tune of Wolfe from the Light Shining album by the Albion Band from 1983. |
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Subject: RE: Eurovision Song Contest From: Rob Naylor Date: 30 May 10 - 05:47 PM Being out of fashion is hardly a complaint that should carry much weight in a forum founded on love of folk music. This would have been a crap song at any time, no less so if it was in fashion. ................... Well I thought the whole point of the EVSC was that it was supposed to be "of the moment"? In the same way that I wouldn't expect Dragonforce to headline a folk festival, I wouldn't expect an "unfashionable" style of song to do well at EV, unless it was a parody. But I also expected it to be crap, as the last few dozen Waterman songs I've heard have been pretty dire. |
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Subject: RE: Eurovision Song Contest From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies) Date: 30 May 10 - 04:50 PM Used to watch C4's Chart Show religiously as an indie teen. I recall this being played for the first time in the UK one weekend, and we were all talking excitedly about it the next day at school.. Pretty mega stuff at the time! Birthday You'll see by the graphics (and shoddy quality) that this YouTube vid. is that self same episode. Kewl.. |
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Subject: RE: Eurovision Song Contest From: VirginiaTam Date: 30 May 10 - 03:55 PM Sorry Smokey... Didn't mean to assault your taste. Took me a few listens to get into Bjork... I dare say 15 years ago I wouldn't have liked her sound either. Too unusual. Not safe and singable. But now I can get into just listening without needing to hum along. My likes keep morphing. |
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Subject: RE: Eurovision Song Contest From: Bonzo3legs Date: 30 May 10 - 03:50 PM Television for the Easyjet queue!! |
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Subject: RE: Eurovision Song Contest From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 30 May 10 - 03:45 PM "it's probably mired *way* back in the past." Being out of fashion is hardly a complaint that should carry much weight in a forum founded on love of folk music. This would have been a crap song at any time, no less so if it was in fashion. ................... "Not heard the UK entry, but..." - if you want to check it out (briefly I suspect)or sample any of the other entries here is a page with links to them all. All better than the UK, some even worse than the German winner, and rather more a bit better. In my opinion - but then that is always implied in anything I write. |
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Subject: RE: Eurovision Song Contest From: Tootler Date: 30 May 10 - 03:45 PM Not heard the UK entry, but if it's Waterman it's probably mired *way* back in the past. It is. Typical S, A & W song and production. Like 101 other hits they produced in the '80s. Utterly bland and forgettable. Here it is in all its awfulness. |
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Subject: RE: Eurovision Song Contest From: Smokey. Date: 30 May 10 - 03:30 PM Smokey attacked Bjork No I didn't, I said I was allergic. It was not an attack, I merely don't like the sound she makes. I don't like cucumber either. Bear in mind, the only reason I give my opinion so freely is that I know precisely how much it's worth - nothing. |
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Subject: RE: Eurovision Song Contest From: Rob Naylor Date: 30 May 10 - 03:13 PM Didn't see it. Never do. It's a joke. But I've heard the German song and: a) I like Bjork. To compare the German singer to her is so wrong! b) The German song, and the way it's sung, sounds like a pastiche of Gabriella Cilmi stuff...not at all original: seemed as if the tune and the singing style had been cobbled together from 2-3 Cilmi "hits". And I don't like Cilmi, either...but she's got that obvious pop commercial quality. c) Not heard the UK entry, but if it's Waterman it's probably mired *way* back in the past. |
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Subject: RE: Eurovision Song Contest From: Continuity Jones Date: 30 May 10 - 02:56 PM The previous Continuity Jones guest post wasn't me btw, it was either a cunny funt having an off day or a person with too cowardly a demeanour to stand by his political viewpoint. |
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Subject: RE: Eurovision Song Contest From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 30 May 10 - 12:38 PM Previous years the other countries weren't so skint... Is there anyone who wouldn't have felt like slipping out to the bar if that Lena had been singing in a folk club? |
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Subject: RE: Eurovision Song Contest From: Reinhard Date: 30 May 10 - 12:08 PM “perhaps the voting was skewed by the fact that Germany is probably about the only country with the cash to host next year's Eurovision.” But that hasn't hindered the German entries of the last 20+ years to get the back row places they deserved, so it's a rather weak explanation for this year's success. |
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Subject: RE: Eurovision Song Contest From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 30 May 10 - 11:31 AM Some justice in that the UK song came last. But I'm astonished that there were evidently lots of people (even here) who actually liked the German entry, which I thought was only marginally better. Or perhaps the voting was skewed by the fact that Germany is probably about the only country with the cash to host next year's Eurovision. I'd have gone for Russia myself - a sense of humour, and a singer with one hell of a good voice. I was surprised by the evident fact that it infuriated quite a lot of people. Perhaps having someone wh could actually sing was seen as offensive - which would also explain why Ireland's entry didn't do better.. |
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Subject: RE: Eurovision Song Contest From: GUEST,skarpi Date: 30 May 10 - 07:28 AM The voting system stinks I agree :O) |
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Subject: RE: Eurovision Song Contest From: VirginiaTam Date: 30 May 10 - 06:16 AM hhmmm... Maybe someone should come up with a serious global music contest (televised tastefully) using Formula One like requirements for entry and judging. So what will the Formula be? |
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Subject: RE: Eurovision Song Contest From: Arnie Date: 30 May 10 - 05:38 AM Well I suppose our UK entry got what we deserved. Choosing an unknown kid to sing an anodyne, dated song merely served to show that we couldn't be bothered to make an effort. I listened to our entry before switching channels and was not impressed either by the song or Josh's wobbly high notes - he really does need singing lessons before appearing in public again. Well done Germany, just seen the winning entry on YouTube and it's not at all bad - at least the singer shows a bit of enthusiasm. The UK gets an automatic entry to Eurovision because of the revenue we bring in. I think in future we should go through the qualifying rounds like the majority - that might just show how crap our entry is and save us the embarrassment of the finals. I saw Fairport Convention at Canterbury on Thurdsay night and think they should have been our entry, singing Matty Groves |
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Subject: RE: Eurovision Song Contest From: Arthur_itus Date: 30 May 10 - 05:31 AM In the Uk, it is considered a bit of a joke. Terry Wogan did a very good job of ridiculing this event over the years. The voting system stinks and it's almost like asking the song writer to provide their worst song they have ever written and then get somebody to sing it. In a weird way, coming last is an acheivement. Yes Uk won :-) |
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Subject: RE: Eurovision Song Contest From: skarpi Date: 30 May 10 - 05:23 AM eurovision should be a contest where you judge the people who are singing the song how they do it do they hold the pitch well many of did not , how was the stage dances or steps ... and so on not by gang or friends ship ...its totally wrong . Belgium had a great song , Germany also , Portugal was great she did fantastic , Iceland had a bad song , but they did it 100 % well UK did poor he did not hold the pitch , Ireland did well also Danmark was good , Greece was good and so on .... |
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Subject: RE: Eurovision Song Contest From: GUEST,Wolfgang Date: 30 May 10 - 05:19 AM As usual I have started watching with the short rerun. If I had voted I'd voted for Azerbaijan. The runner up in the German pre-contest could sing much better than Lena, but Lena had the cuteness-factor with her and the air of helplessness and lack of perfection that gives everyone the feeling "If she can do it, even I could do it". She did all her A-levels examinations in the last couple of weeks too and I wish her that she gets the grade despite all the distractions during the learning. A-levels is a good start for a young person. However, if she invests the winning money into a singing and dancing education she might be able to make a career out of this start. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: Eurovision Song Contest From: VirginiaTam Date: 30 May 10 - 04:16 AM if it is just a big joke... then shouldn't the UK coming last be seen as an accomplishment... a win? |
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Subject: RE: Eurovision Song Contest From: skarpi Date: 30 May 10 - 04:08 AM people have not skill to judge songs and performers in eurovision there where people who are pro singers and did their song 100% well and end in last ten , and other who did very bad like Atzjerbætsjan and many more singer s did bad . this voting system is not good. Iceland did 100 % very well all of the singers are learned from schools and its their living for an long time .. they are pro . but the song is bad ..real bad . sorry. |
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Subject: RE: Eurovision Song Contest From: Ralphie Date: 30 May 10 - 03:15 AM VT. Of course it's just a lark! I just love the stupidity of it all. Particularly liked the butterfly wings bit, and the perspex double piano (No idea which country). As for the songs. Dreadful. But, surely that's the point? UK came last. It's almost becoming traditional! (Anyway, It's no sillier when the USA have some sporting competition called The World Series, when only the USA take part! Lol!) I rest my case M'lud! |
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Subject: RE: Eurovision Song Contest From: VirginiaTam Date: 30 May 10 - 02:44 AM Just as well USA aren't in it. They would come last. and That will teach us to suck up to USA. I only threw my 2 bits in because Arthur_itis (I love that handle) started picking on my home country and because Smokey attacked Bjork. I felt a bit compelled defend my country's musical taste in not being involved in such a contest (even if I don't live there) and I especially had to defend Bjork. She is wonderful. End of! I didn't see any more of the contest this year than the accidental station change which showed me Romania. I was so put off by my first proper encounter, last year. I wanted to sit through and try to give it an honest hearing, which I did to a point until it became too tedious because the dross far outweighed the interesting, unusual and even really good. Maybe I don't understand the contest remit. Is it all just a lark? Who decides which contries may enter? Who decides which artist from each country will be put forward? Maybe it is all too political. |
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Subject: RE: Eurovision Song Contest From: Arthur_itus Date: 30 May 10 - 01:47 AM LJ I am sure you know by now, but just in case you didn't. They finished 20th Quote from VT Why the USA is not in the eurovision aong contest. 1 we are not in Europe (duh!) End of quote Really :-) |
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Subject: RE: Eurovision Song Contest From: LadyJean Date: 29 May 10 - 11:20 PM How did Norway do? I know the singer's grandmother. |
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Subject: RE: Eurovision Song Contest From: Leadfingers Date: 29 May 10 - 08:27 PM There have been evenings in the past when I have regretted not having a television ! Tonight was NOT one of those times , except for Morris - A Life With Bell On , of course ! |
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Subject: RE: Eurovision Song Contest From: Tootler Date: 29 May 10 - 07:16 PM I'm not surprised UK did not win:
Added to that. It was reported earlier that even Pete Waterman did not have much faith in the song and he wrote the d****d thing. I have been out at a folk club this evening - much better way to spend an evening. |
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Subject: RE: Eurovision Song Contest From: Smokey. Date: 29 May 10 - 07:10 PM I know, Skarpi - but I can't help not liking the sound I hear. I don't mean it judgementally. (That'll teach me to keep my mouth shut..) |
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Subject: RE: Eurovision Song Contest From: Smedley Date: 29 May 10 - 07:03 PM Israel isn't in Europe either. Ironically, though the UK came last, the winning German song was deliberately tailored to sound like contemporary British pop (Lily Allen etc). So British pop is popular as long as Brits don't sing it! (To be fair, the Brit entry was also about 25 years behind the times, sounding very 1980s.) |
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