BS: 'Toning it down'...

Subject: RE: BS: 'Toning it down'...
From: pdq
Date: 10 Jan 11 - 08:03 PM

"And to Bobert, who started this thread, and some of the rest of the folks here: I don't believe that most rational people like hanging around with folks who are pissed off, and ranting, and belittling people. The ones who do are your fellow haters. You're scary. You portray yourselves in a way that makes you seem you have no love or kindness in your hearts. I've met some of you, and you don't seem like haters in Real Life. Is this the real you I've met, or is it the real you that comes out in the rhetoric?

Anyone who might have wanted to sow seeds of hatred and anger in the American public has found fertile ground, and the shoots grow. If you want to put those sprouts in the sun and water them, well, it's your heart.

I just wonder what you think you'll harvest." ~ Jeri

Subject: RE: BS: 'Toning it down'...
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 10 Jan 11 - 08:48 PM

PDQ misses one big point.

None of the Obama quotes target a specific ideology, nor a specific political party, let alone a specific person. They are common metaphors.

The right wing hate and incitement most certainly do have specific targets. They use actual threats, not just metaphor.

Now go search the right wing blogs for quotes that prove me wrong.
I am waiting......

Subject: RE: BS: 'Toning it down'...
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Jan 11 - 08:54 PM

No, pdq... The truth bothers you...

You are part of the problem here... You smugly sit in front of yer little corporate, right winged, highly financed $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ blogs and relay any of their twisted half truths and outright lies as if these so-called factoids mean anything in the real world...

Problem is that you and yer right winged highly financed ar4e the problem with America... It's 24/7 spin for the right winged corporatist that you bow down that is the prtoblem... IOt is the reason why the working class hasn't seen any real agin in income in 35 years... It is the reason why the US went to Iraq... It is the reason why we have the higest incarceration rate in the civilized world...

No, pdq... Your team has run the country into the abyss and now you want to li9e and distort you way outta "personal responsibility" for having done so???

Beam me up, Scotty... The failures have just held a gun to the teachers head demandin' that their grade be turned into A's...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: 'Toning it down'...
From: Lox
Date: 10 Jan 11 - 08:56 PM

I was looking forward to those sources though ...

... perhaps PDQ got those quotes in an e.mail?

I have no way of knowing tell he tells.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Toning it down'...
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Jan 11 - 09:28 PM

The facts are the the ACLU had been taking cases going back into the 60's... The fact is that there is no federal case that forced Reagan to deinstitutionalize...

What we have here from pdq is alot of right winged blog mythology that bears no resemblance to reality...

This is how these things happen, folks... You start with lies and build on them like a 8 tiered wedding cake and at the end of the day you have a house of cards and another nutball being led by the nose by the Glen Becks and Sarah Palins to do yet another stupid un-human horrified event...

This, however, will be stopped by its own inertia ... The right lives by the ****lie**** and it will over time be consumed by its own mythology...

You can write that down 'cause it will happen... You can only live a lie but so long...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: 'Toning it down'...
From: Janie
Date: 10 Jan 11 - 10:06 PM

One can feel passionately and express those feelings without being inflammatory. One can strongly disagree, or even strongly dislike without demonizing the opposite view, party or person.




Jeri, stop making sense!

Subject: RE: BS: 'Toning it down'...
From: Jeri
Date: 10 Jan 11 - 10:29 PM

Doesn't do any good when people keep gouging away at it.

A real test for our political leaders, By Gloria Borger, CNN Senior Political Analys

Washington (CNN) -- It is probably some form of poetic justice that, in reacting to the attempted murder of a congresswoman and the murder of a judge, some of the political discourse has devolved into an unhelpful and unenlightening argument that goes something like this: It's your fault; no, it's your fault.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Toning it down'...
From: Janie
Date: 10 Jan 11 - 10:33 PM

Eyup.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Toning it down'...
From: Jeri
Date: 10 Jan 11 - 10:34 PM

Sorry this is late: thanks, Janie.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Toning it down'...
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 10 Jan 11 - 10:36 PM

PDQ got those from the right wing blogosphere/email chain.

I have gotten that exact list six times today.

Yes, I read everything. All sides.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Toning it down'...
From: Beer
Date: 10 Jan 11 - 10:36 PM

Very sad, truly. I mean what is taking place on this thread. Should we not be all on the same side?
Janie, your post is right on.
ad.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Toning it down'...
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 10 Jan 11 - 10:57 PM

"Should we not be all on the same side?"

No. We should not be as it is currently divided.

I am on the side of non-violence.

In deed, word, and thought.

All are welcomne on *my* side, but it will require refudiation of differing views.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Toning it down'...
From: Beer
Date: 10 Jan 11 - 11:16 PM

I have a feeling TIA that the "Other side" is also for no-violence.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Toning it down'...
From: Lox
Date: 11 Jan 11 - 05:05 AM

"Doesn't do any good when people keep gouging away at it."

The problem with modern politics, in particular the reason for the current polarization of politics, isn't too much debate, but a lack of it.

Healthy democracy depends on the electorate participating.

All issues, ESPECIALLY the sensitive ones, need to be fully debated.


This idea that we should all stop arguing for fear that it might turn into violence is giving in to the tactics of fear and intimidation.

If you stop debating to avoid violence, then you prove that there is a culture of terror developing and that you are its first victim.


Millions of people have died protecting these essential freedoms, and to give them up now because others are trying to scare you to do so is to allow the ideologies that they fought against to regain strength and take hold in the collective consciousness once more.


You absolutely MUST NOT stop debating - whatever you do.


This isn't about hatred of people, its about recognizing the power of an evil idea and standing up to it and exposing it every time you see it.

It doesn't matter who vocalizes it - ordinary men and women have, on mass, been driven to do unspeakable things by ideas that have taken root in their minds.

So no offence to anyone on this planet, but if you are the mouthpiece for destructive hate filled ideologies, I must take an adversarial stance against you - not because II dislike you, but because the idea must be met and exposed for what it really is.


DO NOT BOW TO FEAR OR TERROR!


Speak your mind and tell the truth.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Toning it down'...
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 11 Jan 11 - 07:25 AM

speaking as an artist who quite often gets asked to 'tone it down', I think your requests are probably in vain.

I've got a talent for singing and writing dirty songs. the commentators you seem to be talking about have a talent for abuse.

Its hard to 'tone it down' when you're having fun.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Toning it down'...
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Jan 11 - 08:26 AM

Lox is correct...

Seems had we had more "debate" during the health care reform then people would be happier with the end product even if it would turn out to be the exact bill that passed... The problem is that the Repubs didn't want to debate the details... They just didn't want any reform... Now they say they want to replace the bill with a better one... Well, hells bells... Where were they during the writing of the the bill... The ideas that the Dems ended up using that were Repub ideas were from the the 90s Repubs...

So, yeah, if the Repubs want to debate policies then, "Bring it on"... But they don't operate like that... What they do is churn away with their massive propaganda... That's not debate... That is brainwashing... World of difference between the two... Yeah, time for some real debates based on real facts that can be verified and not mythology that the bloggers on the right wished were real facts...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: 'Toning it down'...
From: Lox
Date: 11 Jan 11 - 09:37 AM

I believe that freedom of the press should be clarified as freedom to dissenimate any information that can be supported evidentially.

This already exists in the form of libel laws, but they do not prohibit the dissemination of false information, they only allow the victim of a smear to financial recompense and a public apology.

Often though, the trial goes unreported and the apology is reported in a small article on the back page while the smear was publisghed on the front page.

I believe that a good solution would be an "ASMO" or anti social misinformation order, which would place a ban on a journalist or newspaper that was proved, in court, to be deliberately producing false information either without checking their sources or indeed without bothering to refer to any source, but merely fabricating facts out of thin air.

This of course would have to be governed by strict guidelines concening evidence as any other prosecution would.

Breach of an ASMO could result in imprisonment for whoever was responsible for that breach, be they individual or in charge of an organization.

Opiniions would have to be clearly labelled as such, and opinons based on no evidence would have to be prefaced with the disclaimer that they were merely opinions and nothing more.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Toning it down'...
From: Greg F.
Date: 11 Jan 11 - 10:13 AM

RE: It's your fault; no, it's your fault.

I see- its really NOBODY"S FAULT, right? A simple Act of God, shit happens kinda thing?

Despite the Right-Wing Republican River of Bullshit that's been in flood stage for the last decade or more?

Relativism run amok, people. Get a grip.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Toning it down'...
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jan 11 - 10:45 AM

If you happen to be naieve regarding militia groups and right wing gun clubs and anti government survivalists, that is good!
If you are not exposed to them it shows you are probably a good person.

As Greg says when people participate in a Kristallnacht or Sobibor, Treblinka or the window breaking of various democratic campaign offices, they are usually reasonable people who feel they are performing a civic duty and feel prouc and powerful for doing it.

Americans are armed, trained and PRIMED with rhetoric and "memberships" to have a Kristallnacht at the behest of BEck, the NRA, Palin or even John Bohener if they decide to do so.

Being naieve about this is a good thing in my book. Once everyone knows someone who is ready to do their active civic duty of violence then you know the hell hounds are loosed.









I learnded from the three nightly FOX shows that I am a repugnant hate baiter who has thrown mud in the face of all those who died in the Tuscon rampage because I shamelessly politicized their deaths with my claim that the killer was politically motivated.


I am shocked at my behavior and have soul searched for understanding and forgiveness. I listened to the FOX business channels and learned that I should devote myself to INDEMNIFY the BANKS of the United States and to the Republic, which they own, under God, pay them forever and ever and ever.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Toning it down'...
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jan 11 - 02:25 PM

Revisit the point that lox made. Ideas is what makes things like money real...

The idea seeds we plant now are for next season's harvest.


When you say "no line can be drawn, there is nothing you can do, thats the way it is", you are a failed human being, you are devoid of hope with no imagination or courage to change a single gun attitude. Your thinking is trapped in a box.

Today we can change the numbers of victims. Tommorow we could change a single mind. After that we could change attitudes.
While you can cage a devil for only a short time and evil will never go extinct, lines can be drawn, have been drawn and need to be made indelible.

Also the idea that a misinformation label can be used.
I earlier proposed a system similar to what we do for movies, TV shows, cigarettes, and afix a PG or a MS misinformation, or a IV implied violence, XV abject violence...etc
For example
The PURLITZER assoc. abd THE FCC should be made to obey the findings of a huge panel that concludes which warning labels go where. The panel will have ecumenical, political, city and country representatives.

There will have to be two levels of label responses one for immediate response and another for a later finding. The people who do truth in campaign work and other fact checking organizations who already have credibility will be the first to undertake such a respondsibility.



Anyway thinking of which seeds to plant a what ideas to use to actually do something is the most important thing we can do.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Toning it down'...
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Jan 11 - 02:35 PM

Better go hide in the3 woods, 'er somethin, Donuel 'cause they sho nuff will be lookin' fir ya'...

BTW, if they catch you, don't do the head shaving thing... It's real stupid...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: 'Toning it down'...
From: Lox
Date: 11 Jan 11 - 02:51 PM

Donuel,

Maybe the most important idea to plant is the very idea of understanding the power of ideas.

I also like the idea of different magazines/newspapers having labels/warnings indicating their level of reliability.

Warning: This news channel is an "info-tainment" channel and the information it provides is likely to be biased and to be selective and unreliable as a provider of accurate news.

Then you will have no more "Sun" and "national Enquirer" masquerading as serious newspapers, unles they clean up their act.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Toning it down'...
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jan 11 - 07:01 PM

Bobert, shh im already in the woods piggy backin on someones wireless...


Iffn you havent heard, the fundamentalists across the street have already attempted murder. Doncha remember the fire bombs?
Or did you think that wasnt real?


I got a back up plan though ;`)

here's my manisfesto

Starting with today Glen Beck taught me to restore America by standing up and taking my country back and then have the courage to cowboy up and change the CONSTITUTION.

My history with talk radio was only spotty with hearing Rush Limbaugh a few times before the Iraq invasion. But by the time we started shock and awe I was glued to WMAL and learned that Iraq had less than 2% of the world's oil and that nerve gas and nuclear weapons in the hands of Saddam Hussein was insane.

I began to depend on talk radio which was now going by the name of shock radio. By listening religiously I got the translations of what George Bush really meant and understood the great changes in America in which 9-11 became like the year 0 in which everything has changed.

I learned about the need for torture, the patriot act, domestic spying, tip lines to report my neighbors and that a person can choose to be a true patriot or a traitor, there is no middle ground. Other countries are either with us or against us. France was against us but it was the Muslim world that was at war with us. They hated us for our FREEDOM.

I heard a more ragged edge on talk radio leading up to McCain's election that was even louder than during the war. To put it politely there was a black man running for President who was neither American nor Christian. Still talk radio seemed more consumed with Hillary and her loony lefty feminazis wanting to tear down everything George Bush and Dick Cheney had built.

About this time I learned about cheap mortgages borrowing on my home, flipping houses and buying gold coins. When suddenly Wall St. tanked and the lost jobs began in earnest I think talk radio dropped the ball and as a result Barak Hussein Obama somehow got elected.
Since then all hell has broken loose, liberals are not just looney anymore they are insane. They are frothing at the mouth. They are trying to kill us. They are not just totally wrong about everything they are evil incarnate. People are starting to stand up. I have learned the office and home addresses of democrats and liberals who need their windows kicked in as well as their teeth since they never shut the hell up. Obama lovers think our bible and guns are our plan B. They are our plan A foundation.

Talk radio has taught me that election fraud by ACORN, Ohio and Illinois is why we have a foreign black man in the White House. Now he has already set up death panels, cut and run from Iraq and is bringing back the National Socialist Party and have begun building concentration camps. We have to stand up America, we have to be armed and dangerous, we can't let a tyrant like Obama brain wash our children in school and take away our guns at home.

Today Obama has taken away all the jobs, bailed out the banks and bought GM and other companies for their own socialist party. Fifteen minutes after the Tucson rampage by the pot smoking lefty, the insane liberals began exploiting the tragedy for their political gains. They want our guns, they want to end free speech for talk radio. Everything is coming to pass that Rush, Hannity, Levin, Beck and O'Reilly have prophesized. We have to fight back. Remember like G. Gordon Liddy says, "shoot for the head, jack booted thugs wear body armor".   

And Buy Gold!

Subject: RE: BS: 'Toning it down'...
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Jan 11 - 07:28 PM

Man, you need WPFW, 89.3, Donuel... Only radio station to listen to in D.C....

Don't forget to get all smoked up before you "turn it on" or it won't make any sense to ya'...

And mums the word on where yer hidin' out...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: 'Toning it down'...
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jan 11 - 10:40 PM

I listen to it right after WAMU and 90.9

Amy Goodman is a good egg.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Toning it down'...
From: Janie
Date: 12 Jan 11 - 12:13 AM

Watched Jon Stewart's 1/10 broadcast tonight, and as usual, he talked sense. I think it is absurd to blame anyone but the shooter for this atrocity. It is still a good idea to "tone it down," imo.

Although I am not much of a debater myself, I agree with you Lox, that debate is a good thing. However, I think much of what gets called debate, here on Mudcat as well as in the larger world and the media is not debate.

I will interject here, simply because there is no where else to do so, that I am saddened and hurt for the many amazing people I know through my work who are mentally ill, "unbalanced," "crazy," or "deranged," and who already deal with the stigma of major mental illness who are at no risk of harming others, and in fact, are at greater risk of being themselves harmed than is the general population.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Toning it down'...
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 12 Jan 11 - 12:49 AM

I think it is absurd to blame anyone but the shooter for this atrocity.

I don't - or at least I don't think it should stop at sort of "he was a nut so it's OK". Personally, I think blaming Palin (I'm UK and tend towards the left btw) is a bit of a stretch but perhaps it is time to discuss the language used at times by politicians?

It seems the guy was already identified by some as having problems. Perhaps one could question the care, support and reporting?

Then, as seems to be happening in another thread, perhaps it is time to question the gun laws?

Subject: RE: BS: 'Toning it down'...
From: Lox
Date: 12 Jan 11 - 05:31 AM

Donuel,

I think your last post stands as one of the best bits of satire I have read in a long time.

Just dark enough to stop you laughing, but just witty enough to kee you reading.

That one goes in my "rant" hall of fame.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Toning it down'...
From: Bobert
Date: 12 Jan 11 - 07:51 AM

Had a few clients like that, Janie... Lotta of them did get hurt... Couple got outright killed and one very sweet guy killed himself... Goes with the territory... Very sad...

I agree with you that this guy probably was so deranged that he probably wasn't paying too much attention to the election rhetoric... But this does draw attention to how we frame issues in campaigns and we need to find new ways that are more civil... Myself included...

Alan,

Check yer email...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: 'Toning it down'...
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jan 11 - 10:51 AM

John Boehner teared up as he read word for word a spea\ech about the shooting. He read so carefully that he used the wrong pronoun he for Gabrille 6 times. This happened only when her nickname Gabe was used, which points to the writer not being familiar with ms. Giffords. John must have been too busy to write it himself.

Gov Brewer similarly said "She is more than a colleage, Ms. 'Gilford' is my friend."

Subject: RE: BS: 'Toning it down'...
From: Lighter
Date: 12 Jan 11 - 02:23 PM

I heard Boehner's speech. When he said "Gabe," he was referring to Gabe Zimmerman, one of the dead.

And yes, he did tear up several times.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Toning it down'...
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 12 Jan 11 - 06:23 PM

Every time I think I have the measure of the depravity of Palin she utters some fresh outrage that plumbs new depths. "Blood Libel" for goodness sake! There is no accuracy in the analogy and the Jewish community is rightly furious at her arrogance in stealing the phrase an ignorance in not recognising its importance.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Toning it down'...
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Jan 11 - 06:55 PM

Ignorance is dear Sara's first name. Her middle name is I Don't Give A Shit.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Toning it down'...
From: Lox
Date: 12 Jan 11 - 07:54 PM

I was unaware until now what "bllod libel" was.

I have just looked it up.

Palins insinuation is a continuation on the current right wing trend of comparing Obamacare with Nazi Germany.

It also insinuates that those who would criticize her and people like Beck and limbaugh for using inflammatory ideas are comparable to anti-semites.


This is consistent with the current right wing propaganda.


There is some scary shit happening in the USA right now!

Subject: RE: BS: 'Toning it down'...
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jan 11 - 10:15 PM

allow me to repeat a post here in the spirit of toing it down.


Gabby opened her eyes tonight.
If she can open her eyes, well then perhaps we all can.
At the end of these 5 sad days I believe I have finally opened my eyes. Certainly there was no one more partisan than eye for saying within minutes of the shooting that the Repbulican shock and hate campaigns were the direct cause of this slaughter.

I was wrong. My cries came from having a 10 year old psychic wound ripped open. All the collected insults to sensibility of contentious words and even worse from a hateful silence, the kind of silence that came from Sarah Palin when people at her rallies said "Hang Obama" or "KILL'EM"...and she stood silent. The pain of having to to defend against a tide of people who wanted to elevate torture as a collective good. All of the real and imagined assaults on sense and sensibility all came flooding down and blamed BEck and talk radio for the rampage. It was not the reason. My partisanship and personal pain blinded me for a time.

Wile I can not go as far as Gov. Brewer and claim the reason why will be an eternal mystery, at least I can let go of a laser thin focus of blaming a roomgul of propoganda preachers.

Though my physical eyes are fading I need to see with better eyes and see through the walls, divisions, lies and partitions in my community, nation and the world to do what can be done for greater understanding and fellowship.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Toning it down'...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 12 Jan 11 - 11:13 PM

Lox: "There is some scary shit happening in the USA right now!"

DO NOT PARTICIPATE!!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: 'Toning it down'...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 12 Jan 11 - 11:20 PM

This is a piece written from God's point of view, to America. I've spoken to some of the performers, and they claim that when performed in America, many people have tears running down their faces.
Take it in!
Rather moving.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: 'Toning it down'...
From: Lox
Date: 13 Jan 11 - 05:06 AM

GfS,

No offence to you.

Look at this through my telescope.
__________________

America is in political turmoil - the solution?

1. Don't participate.

2. "feel" the emotion of a song about America which has no meaningful content.


You know what?


America has been heading further and further down that road for years.


There is an absence of political debate beause of a combination of "soundbite" political debate, all performed to a soundtrack of weepy, stirring, tear jerking, meaningless music sung by "perfect" looking women playing stereotyped characters (in this case "celtic women").


America thinks it exists in a disney movie, with all the drama, tears and over the top emotional manipulation of the viewer as could possibly be contrived.


Its the same here in the UK - people are so addicted to getting their "cry-gasm" fix that they willingly get swept along in the utterly fake manufactured emotion of the X-Factor or American Idol.

Movies and News have become uindistinguishable as purveyors of emotional Porn - you can cut to the money scene and feel the same way as if you'd watched the whole movie - all thats necessary is the music and the hammed up acting.


Politics and Romance are not good bed fellows.

I would go as far as to say that if the devil is in politics, then his worst face is his romantic one.

The one that inspires Catholics to bomb protestants, and Protestants to shoot catholics, and the BNP to target minoriities, and Minorities to hate whites, and that inspires Americans to save the world, and that inspires Islamists to blow themselves up and all those aroud them, or Israelis to flatten Gaza.


This is the real world.


The deaths are real.


They are usually innocents and often children.


Miss Gifford is fighting for her life, but a 9 year old girl died.


It is not time for the debate to be toned down, but time for the emotional posturing to be turned OFF, and for the self indulgent tear duct masturbation to be dealt with by a shrink.


Is this deliberate hypnotism of the masses? or do we choose it for oureselves?

Probably a bit of both - one isn't possible without the other.


But the answer is NOT to stop the debate and start getting all teary whilst coaxing out the emotions with the warblings of a Simon Cowell style marketing scam, but the exact opposite.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Toning it down'...
From: GUEST,999
Date: 13 Jan 11 - 11:55 AM

I don`t wish to add fuel to the fire which seems to be burning quite nicely thank you without my help.

Have any of you folks seen the `booking` picture of the shooter. Man, he don`t look too well wrapped to begin with. I doubt he could differentiate between the parties anyway.

Both Reps and Dems have contributed to the rhetoric of hate and that`s been obvious for a decade now. I fail to see why anyone would express surprise that guns are used for killing people when the US has been in lotsa wars--both justified and unjustified. The US has become a much more repressive society thus opening the doors for idiots to froth at the mouth even while they present it as news or religion, when in fact it`s neither.

Only goodness accompanied by smarts can combat a type of thinking that makes a topic`s volatility replace substance. Just don`t buy into it.

I think the greatest contribution people could make to themselves is to destroy their TV sets. Too much violence, too much crap and obviously, too much hatred.

And I think we all could do better, even if only on this thread. Guns ain`t going away and neither are people who want to use them as a murder weapon. No reason for us to slag each other.

Have a good day, all.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Toning it down'...
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 13 Jan 11 - 12:00 PM

A re-post from the other thread;-

""Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk we dn't nd mre restrct gn laws?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T - PM
Date: 12 Jan 11 - 04:31 PM

So on BBC news tonight we have it straight from the Mare's mouth!

Gun totin' Sarah Palin says the Media are to blame for the hatred that gets Democrat congressmen shot in supermarket car parks.

Crap, Sarah. You encouraged this kind of action, and your supporters intimidate others by takin' Old Betsy" to election meetings and polling booths!! It was only a matter of time!!

Memo to the Media:- Stop reporting what Sarah says, or the blood of her political opponents will be on your hands.

Don T.""

It does seem that Sarah wants to put somebody else in the frame, so she obviously feels the need to distance herself from this atrocity, hardly likely if she didn't feel some degree of responsibility.

Bottom line for me is this: Sarah and her pals are the only ones painting targets on political opponents and openly carrying arms to election meetings and polling stations, and Sarah and her pals are the ones wanting to tone it down.

Whatever Jared Loughner's politics, he was presented with just the kind of enthusiastic encouragement, along with exactly the kind of role model, certain to elicit a response from a mentally disturbed and gun happy misfit.

I think that most psychologists would agree that in those circumstances anybody who had previously upset him might be in mortal danger, and there was a report that he resented the fact that Gabrielle Giffords had not taken a question from him seriously.

Q.E.D.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Toning it down'...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Jan 11 - 12:11 PM

Lox...when I posted "Do not participate' I was referring to the CONTRIVED political divisions....and that being said, Yes, a little more attention to God(Love), and opening up the hearts of people to that love IS the true waging of war against the 'synthesized' political discourse that this country is experiencing!
As to your, attention given to "America thinks it exists in a Disney movie, with all the drama, tears and over the top emotional manipulation of the viewer as could possibly be contrived."
Yes, America is living in a 'movie'...scripted by the 'news' sources, and their spins..so Americans can actually LIVE in the 'docudrama'...brought you you as 'infotainment' It happens when a people has affluence, and too much spare time on their hands!!
Personally speaking, it appears that a lot of the political discourse here, is nothing more that a panacea for the 'bored'..with very little attention to what the REAL enemy is!
If a song can touch a heart, why not??.........A lot of folks act like they've forgotten that they have one!!!..and it should be connected to each other....Wouldn't you say?

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: 'Toning it down'...
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jan 11 - 02:31 PM

I would refudiate that Sarah Palin intended to insinuize that the false accussationing of the murderage of the young Christian girl was alledgedly done by Jews to either drink her blood or kinda enslave.

I think she just kinda doesn;t know a whole lot, but thats OK cuz theres a whole buncha junk she does know about, you betcha.

to the tune Favorite things


Pit bulls with lipstick
and big mama grizzles
dresses from Nordstrum
and pissing off lefties
There is a lot Sarah Palin can do
Just don't you ask her to list them for you

When the news stings
when the vote swings
when she's feelin low
she is reminded of favorite things
and makes up a new low blow.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Toning it down'...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Jan 11 - 02:37 PM

I'm moved!...............jeez!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: 'Toning it down'...
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 13 Jan 11 - 06:17 PM

One of your better posts Donuel.

Given that Giffords was herself Jewish and indeed ran in part on that fact, Palin's references to "blood libel" are so extraordinary that I expected them to be even bigger news. I do not know why so few here fasten on it.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Toning it down'...
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Jan 11 - 08:16 PM

The worst part about the Palin quote is that it came on the heels of alot of pressure to release a statement and this was the best she could come up with??? I mean, this was almost a re-do and she still bungled it... Definitely not presidential material here...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: 'Toning it down'...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Jan 11 - 10:03 PM

Jeez..Some of you guys are more focused on Sarah Palin, than those supporting her!!..Then you scratch your heads and wonder, why is she such a threat?? YOU are giving her the power!!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: 'Toning it down'...
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Jan 11 - 01:23 AM

Hey I don't have to tone down cartoons

Subject: RE: BS: 'Toning it down'...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Jan 11 - 10:18 PM

Hey, Donuel..I just posted to you on another thread...so as somewhat of a reiteration, get free..all the way free, when you play, give it your all...not what is left over from the political divisions.....you can't be 100% there, when this shit is nagging at you.

Peace,

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: 'Toning it down'...
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Jan 11 - 11:17 PM

99,812 crazy lone gunman have killed from 2 to 30 people each since 2001.




There is no fatal number high enough to control guns in America





Now picture Tucson and the little girl, the last time she got scared.













There are no words great enough to control our emotions.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Toning it down'...
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 15 Jan 11 - 02:23 AM

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