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Beer 24 Nov 11 - 10:22 PM
pdq 24 Nov 11 - 10:23 PM
Janie 24 Nov 11 - 11:34 PM
Beer 24 Nov 11 - 11:45 PM
kendall 25 Nov 11 - 08:54 AM
EBarnacle 25 Nov 11 - 11:02 AM
EBarnacle 25 Nov 11 - 10:53 PM

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Subject: RE: BS: President Kennedy assassinated
From: Beer
Date: 24 Nov 11 - 10:22 PM

and this is not a pick on Kendall. It is pointing to a time when i (we) believed in hero's. Like Roy Rogers, Zorro, Lone Ranger, Santa Clause and many others. Naive, sure, but is it any different now?


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Subject: RE: BS: President Kennedy assassinated
From: pdq
Date: 24 Nov 11 - 10:23 PM

From a biography of Carlos Marcello:


"After becoming president John F. Kennedy appointed his brother, Robert Kennedy, as U.S. Attorney General. The two men worked closely together on a wide variety of issues including the attempt to tackle organized crime. In March 1961, the Attorney General took steps to have Marcello deported to Guatemala (the country Marcello had falsely listed as his birthplace). On 4th April, Marcello was arrested by the authorities and taken forcibly removed to Guatemala.

It did not take Marcello long to get back into the United States. Undercover informants reported that Marcello made several threats against John F. Kennedy, at one time uttering the traditional Sicilian death threat curse, "Take the stone from my shoe." In September 1962 he told private investigator Edward Becker that a dog will continue to bite you if you cut off its tail (meaning Attorney General Robert Kennedy.) Whereas if you cut off the dog's head, (meaning President Kennedy) it would cease to cause trouble. Becker reported that Marcello "clearly stated that he was going to arrange to have President Kennedy killed in some way." Marcello told another informant that he would need to take out "insurance" for the assassination by "setting up some nut to take the fall for the job, just like they do in Sicily."


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Subject: RE: BS: President Kennedy assassinated
From: Janie
Date: 24 Nov 11 - 11:34 PM

Well said, Beer.

I remember the school drills to dive under the desk in the event of a nuclear attack. I remember Mom no longer making "snow" ice cream for us because of concerns about radioactivity from nuclear tests. I remember my not well-off, and not prone to paranoid parents reviewing their finances, trying unsuccessfully to find a way to afford an underground bunker to protect our family in the event of a nuclear attack.

I remember a call to serve others that was influential and inspiring to a young girl just entering junior high school, and that has shaped my life and my career. I will always comprehend Kennedy as an icon while understanding with maturity that he also had feet of clay.


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Subject: RE: BS: President Kennedy assassinated
From: Beer
Date: 24 Nov 11 - 11:45 PM

You brought up other memories that i had forgotten. Along with three other chums we started to dig up a spot in the woods for a shelter. Never did complete it but in my mind I think i could find it. Probably not as I'm sure it is overgrown by now. Still see it though when i close my eyes.
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Subject: RE: BS: President Kennedy assassinated
From: kendall
Date: 25 Nov 11 - 08:54 AM

I was 29 when he was killed.
The Russians put missiles in Cuba because we had put them in Turkey. Kennedy agreed to not invade Cuba if they took their missiles away. It was a done deal from the start.They both saved face.

The experiment. All I was trying to illustrate was, if we don't know what happened in our past it could happen again and we would have no clue how to deal with it.

If someone dropped me in the middle of Boston and I didn't know where I was I'd have a hell of a time getting back to "God's country."

I just proved that there is no such thing as a good example.


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Subject: RE: BS: President Kennedy assassinated
From: EBarnacle
Date: 25 Nov 11 - 11:02 AM

Funny thing, the Russians are complaining about missiles which could be targetted on them being installed in NATO companies. Here we go again!


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Subject: RE: BS: President Kennedy assassinated
From: EBarnacle
Date: 25 Nov 11 - 10:53 PM

I normally don't do the cut and paste routine but Tom Wicker, one of the participants in that day's events just died. Here's his obit.

Former NYT columnist, author Tom Wicker dies
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George Tames / AP
In this Sept. 13, 1963 photo, former New York Times reporter Tom Wicker stands in front of the White House in Washington. Wicker, who covered President John F. Kennedy's assassination for the Times, went on to serve as the paper's Washington bureau chief and columnist has died at his home.
MONTPELIER, Vt. — Tom Wicker, the former New York Times political reporter and columnist whose career soared following his acclaimed coverage of the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, died Friday at his home in Rochester, Vt. He was 85.

Wicker died after an apparent heart attack Friday morning, his wife Pamela said.

"He'd been ill with things that come from being 85," she said. "He died in his bedroom looking out at the countryside that he loved."

Wicker grew up in poverty in Hamlet, N.C., and wanted to be a novelist, but pursued journalism when his early books didn't catch fire. He worked at weekly and daily newspapers in North Carolina before winning a spot as a political correspondent in the Times' Washington bureau in 1960.

Three years later, he was the only Times reporter to be traveling with Kennedy when the president was shot in Dallas.

Gay Talese, author of the major history of The New York Times, wrote of Wicker's coverage: "It was a remarkable achievement in reporting and writing, in collecting facts out of confusion, in reconstructing the most deranged day in his life, the despair and bitterness and disbelief, and then getting on a telephone to New York and dictating the story in a voice that only rarely cracked with emotion."

One year later, Wicker was named Washington bureau chief of the Times, succeeding newspaper legend James Reston, who had hired Wicker and called him "one of the most able political reporters of his generation."

In 1966, Wicker began his "In the Nation" column, becoming, along with colleague Anthony Lewis, a longtime liberal voice on the Op-Ed page. Two years later he was named associate editor of the Times, a post he held until 1985.

He ended his column and retired to Vermont in 1991 but continued to write. He published 20 books, ranging from novels about gritty, hard-scrabble life in the South to reflections on the presidents he knew.

Among his books was "A Time to Die," winner of the Edgar Allan Poe Award in 1976, which recounted Wicker's 1971 experience as an observer and mediator of a prison rebellion at New York's Attica prison.

Wicker, the son of a railroad man, started in journalism in 1949 at the weekly Sandhill Citizen in Aberdeen, N.C., where he was paid $37.50 a week to report on such local news stories as the discovery of "the first beaver dam in anyone's memory on a local creek."

He moved on to a local daily and then to the larger Winston-Salem Journal, where he worked for most of the 50s, with time out in 1957-58 to serve as a Nieman fellow at Harvard University. He went to work for the Nashville Tennessean in 1959 but then a year later was hired by Reston.

In mid-1961, when Times veteran Bill Lawrence abruptly quit his post as White House correspondent in a dispute with management, Wicker got the assignment. He said it was a dream assignment — "sooner or later most of the government's newsworthy business passes through the White House" — and especially covering the excitement of the Kennedy era.

On Nov. 22, 1963, Wicker was in the first press bus following the Kennedy motorcade when the president was assassinated. He would later write in a memoir that the day was a turning point for the country: "The shots ringing out in Dealey Plaza marked the beginning of the end of innocence."

At that moment, however, all he knew was that he was covering one of the biggest stories in history. "At first no one knew what happened, or how, or where, much less why," he later wrote. "Gradually, bits and pieces began to fall together."

Wicker dictated his story from phones grabbed here and there, with most of his writing done at a desk in the upper level of the Dallas airport. "I would write two pages, run down the stairs, across the waiting room, grab a phone and dictate," Wicker later wrote. "Dictating each take, I would throw in items I hadn't written, sometimes whole paragraphs."

Although Wicker didn't even have a reporter's notebook that day and scribbled all of his notes on the backs of printed itineraries of the presidential visit, his story captured the detail and color of the tragic events.

Describing the president's widow as she left the hospital in Dallas, Wicker wrote: "Her face was sorrowful. She looked steadily at the floor. She still wore the raspberry-colored suit in which she greeted welcoming crowds in Fort Worth and Dallas. But she had taken off the matching pillbox hat she had worn earlier in the day, and her dark hair was windblown and tangled. Her hand rested lightly on her husband's coffin as it was taken to a waiting hearse."

In 1966, Wicker was named a national columnist, replacing retiring Times' icon Arthur Krock, who had covered 10 presidents. Wicker's first column reported on a political rally in Montana. He would later say that it was a huge step to move from detached observer to opinion holder — and especially in the times he was writing.

"My own transition from reporter to columnist coincided roughly with the immense American political re-evaluation that sprang in the sixties from the Vietnam War and the movement against it, from the ghetto riots in the major cities, and from the brief flowering of the counterculture," Wicker wrote in his 1978 book, "On Press."

Wicker was not lacking in opinions, though, and over the years took strong and sometimes unpredictable stands, emphasizing such issues as the nation's racial divide.

On race, he said in a 1991 interview in the Times: "I think the attitudes between the races, the fear and the animosity that exist today, are greater than, let us say, at the time of the Brown case, the famous school desegregation decision in 1954."

Although Wicker was attacked by President Nixon and Vice President Spiro Agnew for his negative coverage during the Nixon administration, he argued in a 1991 book, "One of Us: Richard Nixon and the American Dream," that Nixon accomplished much in his presidency and deserves a high ranking in history.

In his final column, published Dec. 29, 1991, Wicker commented on the fall of the Soviet Union and urged President George H.W. Bush to "exercise in a new world a more visionary leadership" on non-military issues like the environment.

"As the U.S. did not hesitate to spend its resources to prevail in the cold war, it needs now to go forward as boldly to lead a longer, more desperate struggle to save the planet, and rescue the human race from itself," he wrote.

Copyright 2011 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.


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