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Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth From: Jack the Sailor Date: 22 Sep 12 - 12:19 PM Monkey had his tail crossed. They fool a lot on naive tailless primates that way. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth From: Bobert Date: 22 Sep 12 - 11:41 AM Well, Chongz... If you trusted Charlie so much then why was it that you checked out everything he could cross??? Huh??? Answer me that one... You ain't much smarter than Sawz... Ya'll related, 'er what??? BTW, should Charlie come thru I think I've earned a cut... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp Date: 22 Sep 12 - 11:32 AM Yer suggestin' that Charlie would stiff me for the money, Bobertz? I don't think so. After all, I know where he lives, see? I was watchin' his hands, and he didn't cross no fingers. We apes and monkeys can also cross our toes! Did ya know that? Anyways, I was watching his feet too, and he didn't. Then there's his tail, him bein' a monkey...hmmm. Well, I'm not quite sure. He mighta been crossin' his tail, I guess. No, wait...you'd have to have 2 tails to cross yer tail. I think I can count on Charlie honorin' his bet. And I am up another 4 bucks! Keep arguin', folks. Don't give in! Pursue that elusive final victory, the rhetorical knockout punch, and reduce yer political opponents to a quiverin' heap of jelly layin' on the floor. ;-D - Chongo |
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Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth From: Sawzaw Date: 22 Sep 12 - 10:01 AM "The NPR poll doesn't bother me at all because it does not attempt to lump the two together..." I think you need to clean your glasses Bobert. It combined 26% STRONGLY APPROVE and 23% SOMEWHAT APPROVE to arrive at 46% approve. You don't even know what the hell you are looking at much less what you are talking about. Also you have totally lost your train of thought on exactly what I am wrong about. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth From: Bobert Date: 22 Sep 12 - 07:23 AM Don't talk about ape shit or any other kinda shit, Don... You know how even talkin' about the stuff makes Chongz wanta pick some up and starting throwing it at anyone or anything... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 22 Sep 12 - 06:27 AM ""Plus, you know how monkey's are..."" Christ Bobz, don't call him a monkey or you'll be hip deep in ape shit. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth From: Bobert Date: 21 Sep 12 - 04:16 PM Wait until you find out that Charlie "shook" with one hand while he had crossed fingers behind his back with the other... Plus, you know how monkey's are... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp Date: 21 Sep 12 - 03:25 PM I just want you folks to know that I am gettin' paid a dollar for each additional post over 100 on this thread (my own posts excepted). This is due to a bet I made with Charlie the Langur Monkey. He said this thread wouldn't break 100 posts. I said it would. He said, "I'll give ya a dollar for every post past 100 if it does, sucker." I said, "Yer on!" "But it don't count if you make the post," he cautioned. "Deal," I said. "And if it don't break 100 posts, ya gotta buy me bananas for a month," he added. "No problemo," I said, with a grin. So we agreed on it and shook. I am now well up over $300 on account of you fine people here, and still countin'! This is great. But it's killin' poor Charlie. He swears he's gonna find a way to make you all stop postin' before he is ruined. I just told him "Good luck!" I know I can count on you folks to keep yammerin' on just about forever. I may be able to take a vacation soon, and I owe it all to you. So, thanks! Yer a swell bunch. - Chongo |
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Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth From: Jack the Sailor Date: 21 Sep 12 - 03:20 PM Doesn't totally disagree = agree? |
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Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth From: dick greenhaus Date: 21 Sep 12 - 02:14 PM If you start out with a conclusion, it's easy enough to make the data support it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth From: Jack the Sailor Date: 21 Sep 12 - 01:58 PM He is right sawzie, Somewhat agree DOES NOT equal agree. That is pretty straightforward. Keep sticking it out..... |
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Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth From: Bobert Date: 21 Sep 12 - 01:02 PM I have no specific problems with polls that ask "somewhat believe"... What I have a problem with is the interpretation that "somewhat believe" = "believe"... Why have a category for somewhat believe??? The NPR poll doesn't bother me at all because it does not attempt to lump the two together... That's fine with me... But with that said, I will again reiterate that polls of these sorts are less reliable than polls where there are on two choices... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth From: Sawzaw Date: 21 Sep 12 - 10:05 AM "BTW, when you delve into Saws Globe Scan folks what you find is that of those 58%, if the US is somewhat typical of other nations, that only 15% "strongly deserve"... So between the strongly against, somewhat against and fors, reality is that 85% aren't all that wild about the rich deserving their wealth... But, hey, if it makes Saws happy then why would a reasonable and alternate analysis of the data ruin his day" If it makes Bobert happy then why would his own "reasonable and alternate analysis" of the NPR data ruin his day? According to that "reasonable and alternate analysis": reality is that 69% aren't all that wild about Obama. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth From: Jack the Sailor Date: 21 Sep 12 - 12:12 AM You keep sticking it out.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth From: Sawzaw Date: 20 Sep 12 - 11:51 PM well well well wellllllllll, WEEEELLLLLLLLLLLL. What have we here? A survey on President Obama's Job Approval by NPR. Now lets look at it, look at the results and apply The Highly Educated Bobert's "logic" to the results: President Obama's Image and the 2012 ElectionDang Bobert, Looks like Obama is purdy much a loser according to your "logic". |
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Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth From: Jack the Sailor Date: 20 Sep 12 - 11:15 PM I toooollllllddddd you so!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth From: Bobert Date: 20 Sep 12 - 11:12 PM Sawz ain't into evolving... He is de-volving... Given enough time he might challenge the snail darter as the dumbest creature on Earth... My money is on the snail darter... B;~) |
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Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth From: Donuel Date: 20 Sep 12 - 11:06 PM Good on you Bobert, apparently you have some need to help Sawz evolve. Jeeze maybe in the cosmic stream of consciousness, a subconscious symbiosis acts like a quantum gravity of truth and knowledge. nah, its fun just to argue. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth From: Bobert Date: 20 Sep 12 - 10:56 PM (((((((((((((((((((((((((((yawn)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) BTW, Sawz... Not one person on the planet read your post... Oh sure, there are a few folks here who will say they did but they didn't... You are the yawn-poster of Mudville... BTW, I didn't read your post either... Not worth my time... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth From: Sawzaw Date: 20 Sep 12 - 10:51 PM Blowhard Bobert weasles out of answering a question again but he requires other people to answer his questions."So, pdq... You don't want to answer my two simple questions???" Histrionic personality disorder is characterized by a long-standing pattern of attention seeking behavior and extreme emotionality. Someone with histrionic personality disorder wants to be the center of attention in any group of people, and feel uncomfortable when they are not. While often lively, interesting and sometimes dramatic, they have difficulty when people aren't focused exclusively on them. They constantly seek the approval and adoration of other people by exaggerating their emotions and actions. They have very strong opinions but often do not have well-thought-out or logical reasons for their ideas. HPD patients generally do not seek treatment. A part of their condition is that they feel their behavior is normal and they hate to follow a treatment plan. Has a style of speech that is excessively impressionistic and lacking in detail Shows self-dramatization, theatricality, and exaggerated expression of emotion Cannot tolerate criticism or disapproval Cannot handle frustration or delays Taking risks and making rash decisions Easily influenced by others Have intense, unstable emotions and a distorted self-image. Very dramatic, as if performing in front of an audience, exaggerated emotions and expressions, Very egocentric and self-indulgent Many people with histrionic personality disorder don't seek out treatment. People with personality disorders, in general, do not often seek out treatment until the disorder starts to significantly interfere or otherwise impact a person's life. This most often happens when a person's coping resources are stretched too thin to deal with stress or other life events. Like most personality disorders, histrionic personality disorder typically will decrease in intensity with age, with many people experiencing few of the most extreme symptoms by the time they are in the 40s or 50s. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth From: Bobert Date: 20 Sep 12 - 10:36 PM No, I don't... If I had an ounce of respect for Sawz it might be different but I don't... He is a mental midget... He doesn't get simple concepts... I won't use the "r" word but he is definitely "r" word material... Slow than a dead turtle... Man, that is slow... But, hey??? There's always the endless list of quotes (all taken out of context = liar) for Sawz to make hi m feel all warm and fuzzy... Bring 'um on, Sawz... B;~) |
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Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth From: Jack the Sailor Date: 20 Sep 12 - 10:26 PM You keep stickin it out. Bobert keeps pulling. He really doesn't give a crap what you think of him. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth From: Donuel Date: 20 Sep 12 - 05:50 PM When Mitt Romney spoke to billionaires, he seemed more relaxed and fluent than ever. His truth rolls off his tongue without effort. By the way, being a billionaire today is no big deal anymore. 10 years ago the Fortune 400 cut off point was 75 million. Now it is 1.1 billion dollars. Today the top 400 wealthiest people amount to over 3/4 of one trillion dollars in liquid assets. Wall St traders calls small investers suckers, grandmas, muppets and other disparaging names that reflect their true attitude. So when Romney says what amounts to "Those people who expect entitlements and giveaways of Food, life, liberty, property and the pursuit of happiness, you name it, are parasitic takers bringing our America down" you can tell he feels this to be true to the marrow of his bones. To him American exceptionalism means wealth and power to all except "those people who have always been such losers". The America he knows is the exclusive America - it excludes anyone without huge sums of cash in which he may have some trasactional benefits to pursue. PS I thought Bobert was one of a very few "comrades in opinions" but I have recently re-read posts by Jack the Sailor and am delighted by the clear genius, humor and POV . Perhaps I stopped looking close at his posts due to some derogatory remark or joke that was misinterpreted. I then noticed I had several other false predjudices regarding other folks I had unfairly judged to be beyond redemption in this life or painfully dull. But I guess that is just Spaw's charm;\ |
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Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth From: Jack the Sailor Date: 20 Sep 12 - 01:11 PM Stop sticking out your leg Sawzaw. He will keep pulling it. Don't bother to trip him up with inconsistency. Half of what he says is a joke and he is not telling you which half. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth From: Bobert Date: 20 Sep 12 - 01:08 PM He can't help it, Jack... Not only does he suffer from OCD but, like George W, is incapable of looking at anything in any manner but black and white, good and evil, right and wrong... His problem... Not mine... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth From: Jack the Sailor Date: 20 Sep 12 - 01:02 PM Stop sticking out your leg Sawzaw. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth From: Bobert Date: 20 Sep 12 - 11:46 AM Fine with me, Don... I have shredded Saws poll every way it can be shredded so he's down to his usual childish quotes that have been taken out of context... That's his MO after he knows he's wrong... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 20 Sep 12 - 10:09 AM Given that the vast majority don't give two s**ts what anybody else thinks, because they just want the rich exterminated, maybe the following might be a statement that would satisfy both Sawz and Bobert, posted more in desperation than in hope. 15% say "The rich deserve their wealth." 43% say "Umm,....well,er....the rich might deserve their wealth." Apply the same rule to the somewhat disagree and the disagree and you come out with: X% (I don't have the figures to hand) say "The rich don't deserve their wealth." Y% ( " ) say "Umm,....well,er....the rich might not deserve their wealth." Would that be sufficient for you guys to terminate this ultimately boring thread? Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth From: Jack the Sailor Date: 20 Sep 12 - 09:52 AM Sawzaw, when you see Robin Williams on the tonight show do you run to the Internet to try and diagnose him? Bobert is joking. He jokes a lot. If you stick out your leg, he pulls it. Grow up a little. stop sticking out your leg. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth From: Bobert Date: 20 Sep 12 - 09:31 AM ((((((((((((((((((((((((yawn)))))))))))))))))))))) |
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Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth From: GUEST,999 Date: 20 Sep 12 - 12:20 AM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akm3nYN8aG8&feature=related Now, THAT is a speech worth paying attention to. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth From: Little Hawk Date: 19 Sep 12 - 11:30 PM Glory Be! We have found the secret of perpetual motion, and this thread is proof beyond any shadow of a doubt. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth From: Sawzaw Date: 19 Sep 12 - 10:56 PM Blowhard Bobert has yet to justify his use of the term "somewhat agree" while he also claims it means the same as somewhat disagree. "But I do somewhat agree with John in that the Repub base has a different set of marals than the Dem base but the Repubs have been cultivating these folks for decades with their pounding away at the Dems on "family values" (whatever the hack that means) and now it's coming back to haunt them..." His cowardly defense is avoiding the question and name calling. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth From: Bobert Date: 18 Sep 12 - 04:44 PM Well, Jack... I agree with you there... He can't help himself... That's the way OCD is... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth From: Jack the Sailor Date: 18 Sep 12 - 04:28 PM Leave him alone Bobert. To paraphrase former Texas governor Ann Richards "Poor Sawzaw, he just can't help himself." |
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Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth From: Bobert Date: 18 Sep 12 - 02:54 PM Yo, Jack... I understand the "headline"... I've read the poll... I don't care who wrote it... It's bogus... Garbage is garbage no matter the source... No one in their right mind can defend the "title" or the poll... I'm not trying to goad Sawz... He spends an inordinate amount of time trying dig up garbage and throw it in the Catbox as if each one is the Holy Grail... Nah, when I smell garbage I'm callin' it out... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth From: Little Hawk Date: 18 Sep 12 - 01:15 PM Yeah, that's right. First of all, they often word the question in such a way as to elicit a desired response. They world the question in order to limit people's range of response. This can and usually does result in gross oversimplification of a complex situation. Statistics can be used to mislead, and for purposes of spreading false propaganda. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth From: dick greenhaus Date: 18 Sep 12 - 01:05 PM There's nothing wrong with lumping the numbers of respondents who "Strongly agree" with those who "Somewhat agree" as a total of those who "Agee". It's also OK to lump "Somewhat disagree" with "Somewhat agree" as a class "Not sure" Statistics is a tool. People use this tool for what they perceive as their best interests. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth From: Little Hawk Date: 18 Sep 12 - 11:24 AM The real question is, do I deserve my good looks? ;-) I've given it some serious thought, and I think the answer is definitely "yes!". |
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Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth From: Jack the Sailor Date: 17 Sep 12 - 11:26 PM Knock it off Bobert!! This is the headline direct from the Huffington Post. "Poll: 58 Percent Of Americans Believe Rich Deserve Their Wealth" Obviously you have goaded Sawzaw into vigorously defending one of the few media outlets that proudly calls its self "liberal." Haven't you poked him enough? |
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Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth From: Bobert Date: 17 Sep 12 - 08:47 PM No, Dick... It's a simple binomial equation where there are 2 variables: X and Y... X = the % of people in the study strongly believe and... ...Y = the % of people who somewhat believe Now if we listen to your and Sawz logic X and Y are the same... They are not or the pollsters would have worded the choices differently in asking do you believe or don't you... That would give you two choices... I giving the folks 4 different choices they have the potential for four different outcomes... When you read the study it does not break down the US responses but does break down the 4 choices and with all the countries where this poll was conducted only 15% of the respondents said they strongly believed... That leaves 85% in the somewhat believe. somewhat don't believe and strongly don't believe... To jump to "58% believe" from the statistics (15%) is like jumping the Grand Canyon on a pogo stick... I mean, let's get real here, Dick... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth From: dick greenhaus Date: 17 Sep 12 - 08:11 PM Bobert- I'm not commenting on the study.The problem you're having with your X and Y simile is not one of addition; it's membership in a group or class. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth From: Bobert Date: 17 Sep 12 - 07:21 PM If you listen to Sawz and his pollsters that was only somewhat 400, Jack... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth From: Jack the Sailor Date: 17 Sep 12 - 07:07 PM 400 I'm just doing this so no one else will. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp Date: 17 Sep 12 - 07:03 PM Sounds sorta like the guys at Duffy's Bar & Grill around about Last Call... - Chongo |
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Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth From: Bobert Date: 17 Sep 12 - 05:50 PM LOL, nobody... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth From: GUEST,nobody in particular Date: 17 Sep 12 - 01:55 PM I strongly agree that being mostly disagreeable with those who strongly somewhat agree, is somewhat agreeable with those who strongly agree. Can we agree on that? Or strongly disagree to be somewhat agreeable? |
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Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp Date: 17 Sep 12 - 01:12 PM I somewhat agree and somewhat disagree with most of what ya said, Bobertz. ;-D - Chongo |
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Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth From: Bobert Date: 17 Sep 12 - 12:58 PM That's twice you busted on my math skills, Dick... Maybe three times - grin... There is nothing wrong with my logic here... I may not be Einstein but I got a couple college degrees and taught public school for two years and GED in the Richmond City Jail another couple years... BTW, I got a B in Stats 201 so I think I understand the concepts here... Also got Bs in both semesters of math that was required for my first degree... Have you read the study, Dick??? I have... BTW since when does agree = somewhat agree??? It doesn't... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth From: Jack the Sailor Date: 17 Sep 12 - 11:38 AM Actually Dick, those last two posts made perfect sense. That is a departure from his usual mix in the misspelling and corn pone for comic effect patois. I have some sympathy for Sawzaw. Trying to hold Bobert to his literal words must be mighty headache causing. |
