BS: Conservative Leadership Contest

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 19 Jun 19 - 12:34 PM

Come on lads.. we might detest the tory buggers,
but let's not get too puritanical and lose our sense of humour...

That just gives even more ammunition to the hard right
in their propaganda war on humourless snow flake control freak lefty 'fascists'...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Raggytash
Date: 19 Jun 19 - 12:22 PM

Not allowing for him allowing a poem to be published in his magazine that called for the elimination of all Scots.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Jun 19 - 11:04 AM

"I wonder if he was referring to Piccaninny, Watermelon, Letterbox Johnson."

Then there's his homophobia ("tank-topped bum boys") and his sexism ("voting Tory will cause your wife to have bigger breasts" and, at the 2012 Olympics, when Mayor of London, "the magnificent experience of watching semi-naked women playing beach volleyball ... glistening like wet otters.")

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 19 Jun 19 - 10:37 AM

Gove's awkward attempt to compete, impress, and win against the bigger boys
made himself look even more pathetic than usual..

"me.. me..me.. me..me.. me..
I thought of all the cleverest things first
and done it better than all the other boys..
Pick me.. pick me.. pick me...
I'm the bestest at everything...!!!!!

.. and that Corbyn is a very nasty smelly oik...
..pleeeaaase bully him instead of me.."

Can the precocious little pipsqueak ever reach puberty...???


The fascinating undercurrent in tory governments
is that as they mostly all went to the same top public schools;
the kids that were bullies, their victims,
the ones that sexually abused the smaller boys in dorms when they could get away with it..
The rugger thugs and the scared emotionally scarred little boys..

That's all carried with them as adults into parliament..
Those old school relationships still underly their interactions as politicians
crammed in the hothouse of the Commons...

Weird to think about.. innit...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Jun 19 - 09:47 AM

It's like trying to chose between Darth Vader and Lex Luther

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Raggytash
Date: 19 Jun 19 - 09:31 AM

A bit I found interesting was that Gove said on TV today that the Conservative party did have racists within it's ranks and that they needed to be rooted out and dismissed from the party.

I wonder if he was referring to Piccaninny, Watermelon, Letterbox Johnson.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 19 Jun 19 - 09:23 AM

I'm reluctant to say but as much as I dislike* him
Baldy Bonce seemed to be the most normal bloke with any real substance to be a leader...


[* but then, none of 'em are what could be called likeable...]


If we are doomed to a tory govt for at least another 5 years
then Rory might be the most sensible and humane,
..so he don't stand a chance being selected...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 Jun 19 - 05:22 AM

Standard Tory deflection tactic, practised almost non-stop by The Praying Mantis and, apparently, to be continued by The Lying Scottish Viper in the unlikely event he's elected as leader...

Q. "How will you effect our Leaving the EU with a deal?"
A. "Look over there - Jeremy Corbyn!".

As I said earlier, a Grade A cockwomble amongst cockwombles.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Jun 19 - 03:43 AM

Gove in particular has forgotten the lesson for the Tories from the 2017 election that obsessing over Corbyn instead of telling the electorate how you plan to address the issues faced by the country loses you your majority.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Mr Red
Date: 19 Jun 19 - 03:19 AM

"Boris is a pro Brexit leader of a pro Brexit party"

King Boris is a turncoat. Or floating voter if you prefer?

It wont alter election results. It already has. He already has. They already have.

Corbyn with charisma? He is hiding it very well IMNSHO.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: The Sandman
Date: 19 Jun 19 - 02:22 AM

A precedent has already happened for a second referndum ,ireland and the lisbon treaty

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: The Sandman
Date: 19 Jun 19 - 01:22 AM

I think we need a general election, or a second referendum

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Jun 19 - 08:07 PM

Neither will your factual inaccuracies. Though I suppose you're merely taking a leaf out of your hero's book there.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Stanron
Date: 18 Jun 19 - 07:45 PM

Well let's let the echo chamber continue. It wont alter election results.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Jun 19 - 07:42 PM

Both. And it was a five-way tie.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 18 Jun 19 - 07:41 PM

Was that a free for all contest scrapping it out to establish who has the biggest dick,
or who is the biggest dick...???

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Jun 19 - 07:40 PM

Johnson isn't currently the leader of anything. And he started off as a remainer, lest we forget.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Jun 19 - 07:38 PM

From wiki on Corbyn and the EU.

...in September 2015, Corbyn said that Labour would campaign for Britain to stay in the EU regardless of the result of Cameron's negotiations, and instead pledged "to reverse any changes" if Cameron reduced the rights of workers or citizens... He also believed that Britain should play a crucial role in Europe by making demands about working arrangements across the continent, the levels of corporation taxation and in forming an agreement on environmental regulation...

...Corbyn made a speech on April 14, 2016, in which he supported staying in the EU...He summarised his stance as being "for 'Remain – and Reform' in Europe....

...In June 2016, in the run-up to the EU referendum, Corbyn said that there was an "overwhelming case" for staying in the EU. In a speech in London, Corbyn said "We, the Labour Party, are overwhelmingly for staying in, because we believe the European Union has brought investment, jobs and protection for workers, consumers and the environment".

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Raggytash
Date: 18 Jun 19 - 07:27 PM

"Boris is a pro Brexit leader of a pro Brexit party"

I'm not at all sure of that statement Stanron. The past three years have not lent themselves to that viewpoint.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Jun 19 - 07:25 PM

Jeremy Corbyn voted remain.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Stanron
Date: 18 Jun 19 - 07:24 PM

That's an interesting suggestion. Should Jeremy Corbyn initiate a Vote of Confidence and win there would be a general election.

Jeremy Corbyn is a pro Brexit leader of an anti Brexit party. Boris is a pro Brexit leader of a pro Brexit party. They are both charismatic. Can't you see that the odds are against Labour?

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Jun 19 - 07:07 PM

Johnson is going to win and is going to have an extremely short career at the top.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Stanron
Date: 18 Jun 19 - 06:54 PM

My preferences are Johnson first and Gove second. I was surprised to find that Mr Hunt showed better than I had expected and, if Mr Scott remains a Tory, he might well be a leader in the future. Opinions I've heard suggest that Boris is poor on detail but good on delegation. Not a bad profile for PM. Gove is smart but not a Karisma King.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 18 Jun 19 - 06:51 PM

Good idea!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Jun 19 - 06:00 PM

You didn't miss much. Watch a couple of episodes of Fawlty Towers instead.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 18 Jun 19 - 04:46 PM

My complaint is that I could not download the programme to watch in HD, I don't do ordinary quality from youtube if it can be avoided!!

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: DMcG
Date: 18 Jun 19 - 04:42 PM

Agreed. The only interesting moment was when Javid forced everyone to agree to an independent investigation into Tory party Islamophobia. But no doubt that will be quickly forgotten.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Jun 19 - 04:31 PM

Terrible shouty show. I couldn't pick out a "winner." Johnson got away with murder. Gove was obsessed with Corbyn. He excoriated him three times but no-one else mentioned him. Shades of the 2017 Tory election campaign. Javid, what a bloody lightweight. Stewart tried so hard to be different and honest that he came across as a dishonest Tory. God help us.

Mind you, the questioners were a breath of fresh air. Someone tell Boris to try to remember their names. Especially if they're Muslims.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 18 Jun 19 - 04:20 PM

A-a-and.....100! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 18 Jun 19 - 04:20 PM

Well, having watched the debate, if that’s the best they’ve got, we’re completely fucked. What a bunch of cock-wombles.

Time for a General Election.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Stanron
Date: 18 Jun 19 - 01:50 PM

David Carter (UK) wrote: From 2001 to 2008 Stanron the rate occasionally spiked above 5%, but was usually between 3 and 5. I think we can agree that 17% is too high. And I hope that we can agree that 1% is too low. Interest rates should be high enough to offer a real return on savings.

I agree with that. I also think that there is a link between interest rates and inflation. When one is high both are high. The people who gain from high interest rates are not the people who suffer most from inflation.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Jun 19 - 01:45 PM

I asked you to support your assertion that the economy improved under Thatcher. I suggested two groups who definitely did benefit. You haven't come up with anyone else. Perhaps we should ask the hundreds of thousands of perfectly healthy industrial workers and miners who were thrown by Thatcher on to a scrapheap called incapacity benefit (a handy way of avoiding calling them "unemployed"). I can assure you that teachers didn't do particularly well under Thatcher and were comprehensively shat on via the imposition of brainless initiatives such as a content-stuffed national curriculum and a brainless Ofsted whose inspectors received three days' training. Let alone a severe worsening of our working conditions. Tory ideology writ large just about wrecked the profession and we are still suffering. Incidentally, a very accomplished primary teacher of my acquaintance has been using a food bank for years.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 18 Jun 19 - 01:41 PM

From 2001 to 2008 Stanron the rate occasionally spiked above 5%, but was usually between 3 and 5. I think we can agree that 17% is too high. And I hope that we can agree that 1% is too low. Interest rates should be high enough to offer a real return on savings.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: DMcG
Date: 18 Jun 19 - 01:31 PM

It is quite striking that, leaving Boris to one side because he is saying different things to different people, it is the hardest Brexiteers that are being eliminated: Leadsom, McVey and now Raab.

Make of that what you will.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 18 Jun 19 - 11:32 AM

Labour builds the nation back up
Tories sell it off again..
Labour builds the nation back up
Tories sell it off again..
Labour builds the nation back up
Tories sell it off again..
Labour builds the nation back up
Tories sell it off again..

The cycle of life...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Iains
Date: 18 Jun 19 - 11:32 AM

Bricktop reckons you need 16 pigs!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3qy4Zv4snI

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Stanron
Date: 18 Jun 19 - 11:27 AM

Yes, you are right that base rate peaked at 17%. It was inflation that peaked at, or just under 25%. That was in the seventies. The three day week and all of that.

Look at the third diagram. That shows quite clearly that the interest rate peaked at 17% in 1979. It was right at the beginning of Mrs Thatchers long period as Prime Minister. No doubt you will want to attribute the peak to her policies but I attribute it to the previous four or five years of Labour government under Harold Wilson and James Callaghan. Maggie got it down to just over 8% in 1993 and hit a lower peak of 15% when she retired. John Major got it down to about 5% before the ERM debacle. Then we got Labour back and they spent all the money!

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Jack Campin
Date: 18 Jun 19 - 11:15 AM

Comparison I read somewhere yesterday:

"it's like regaining consciousness tied up in a basement to overhear a gang of incompetent kidnappers discussing how they're going to dispose of your body".

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 18 Jun 19 - 10:35 AM

"I'm sure teachers didn't suffer."

Well.. I'm sure teachers are most definitely suffering now...!!!

Particularly in households where a teacher is the primary, or only, earner...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 18 Jun 19 - 10:21 AM

Try again.....

”17% was considerably lower than the, I think it was, 21% it had been earlier. During Maggie's tenure the economy gradually improved. By 1993 the base interest rate was down to single figures.”

Nope. 17% was the highest base-rate during the 20th century, through to 2003.
But hey, let’s not let facts get in the way of your Tory-bullshit brainwashing, eh?

https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/1485/interest-rates/historical-real-interest-rate/

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 18 Jun 19 - 10:18 AM

<>”17% was considerably lower than the, I think it was, 21% it had been earlier. During Maggie's tenure the economy gradually improved. By 1993 the base interest rate was down to single figures.”

Nope. 17% was the highest base-rate during the 20th century, through to 2003.
But hey, let’s not let facts get in the way of your Tory-bullshit brainwashing, eh?

https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/1485/interest-rates/historical-real-interest-rate/

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Stanron
Date: 18 Jun 19 - 10:01 AM

It wasn't made to a sensible point.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Jun 19 - 09:41 AM

Not a sensible answer.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Stanron
Date: 18 Jun 19 - 09:34 AM

I'm sure teachers didn't suffer.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 18 Jun 19 - 09:34 AM

"During Maggie's tenure the economy gradually improved"

Tell that to the factory workers on the council estate I grew up on..
One year they were seduced into buying their council homes,
the next the factory suddenly closed down,
and they were made redundant - unable to pay their mortgages..

When many of these homes went to auction,
guess who the likely buyers snapping them up were...???

My dad would not buy his home on principle,
which at least kept a roof over our heads when he lost his job.
My mum still rents that house, her stable home for over 50 years...

Soon enough the house will go back to the local authority.
I hope it remains social housing for a new young family.
But what's the chances the council instead sells it off to asset strippers...???

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Jun 19 - 09:29 AM

Improved who for? Spivs? Yuppies?

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Stanron
Date: 18 Jun 19 - 09:13 AM

17% was considerably lower than the, I think it was, 21% it had been earlier. During Maggie's tenure the economy gradually improved. By 1993 the base interest rate was down to single figures.

https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/1485/interest-rates/historical-real-interest-rate/

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Mr Red
Date: 18 Jun 19 - 08:59 AM

If you can't beat 'em, Grantham

And just to complete the humour

Isn't King Boris highly wired?

Snigger,, snort, snort.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 18 Jun 19 - 07:19 AM

I’ll give you a clue Stan....the Prime Minister when the interest rate hit seventeen percent was a foul hag from Grantham.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Stanron
Date: 18 Jun 19 - 05:08 AM

I'm 72 years old. I don't remember there ever being a base rate of 3.5%. I do remember there being an interest rate of 20+ something %. I wonder who was in government when this happened and who was in government when it came down again. I suppose it must have hit 3.5% on the way down but I'm guessing it didn't stay there for long.