BS: Conservative Leadership Contest

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 30 Jun 19 - 05:38 AM

A new ‘Get Corbyn’ fake-news story has emerged over the weekend, put out by the Murdoch Lie-Machine, that JC is becoming mentally and physically fragile.

They’re absolutely terrified of him, aren’t they?

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 30 Jun 19 - 05:31 AM

The present and growing imbalance in society is not just unfair - it's a waste of talent and potential
Jim Carroll

couldn't agree more.

Strangely enough, Boris might be the key to Jeremy's ultimate success. People tend to like someone with gravitas as PM.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Mr Red
Date: 30 Jun 19 - 04:28 AM

The only safe prediction we can make, about current politics, in the world, in the UK, in either two erstwhile (sic) significant parties, or even the leaders thereof, is:


Expect the unpredictable.


And FWIW Theresa May will be judged by political analysts in 100 years time as "the sane one", "the one that delayed the lunatics taking over the asylum". I just wish I could be around then to gloat about being right.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Raggytash
Date: 30 Jun 19 - 04:09 AM

Time perhaps to remind everyone that this thread is about the Conservative Leadership Contest.

An article in todays on-line Guardian suggests that even if Johnson were to be voted in a leader of the Conservative party that does not necessarily mean he would enter number 10 as a small number of Conservative MP's not supporting him would mean he did not command a majority in the House of Commons and therefore could not form a government.

Interesting times.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/30/boris-johnson-might-never-enter-no-10-if-mps-withdraw-support

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 30 Jun 19 - 04:04 AM

Or put Big Al in a hotel someone blows up. The past is the past, and many groups who used to be considered terrorists now form governments, which we, often reluctantly, regard as legitimate.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Jun 19 - 04:00 AM

"Jeremy Corbyn will not be our next PM, or even the one after that"
It's hard to see who will be (in the long term) if he isn't
He is the only politician on the scene today with a desire and th makings of a policy offering a genuine alternative to what has gone before

Cynisism and distrust have always been a part of the electorate's attitude towards those they vote for - Brexit has driven that to new highs with parties that can't even agree with each other in Parliament
The latest to come out of Westminster is a plan to immediately oust the new PM if he/she attempts to drive through an unfavourable Brexit - a built in vote of no confidence
When has that ever happened ?

Corby was elected leader by a grass-roots majority who wanted genuine change - a return to the principles that created the Labour Party   
If he follows through on that one, he deserved to be PM

He's not charismatic (TBTG) - political charisma sent millions to the extermination camps during my life time (just) - the nearest we ever got to that was watching our PM climb into bed with a mass-murdering South American Dictator.
Politics desperately needs policies based on principles and humanity which represents all the people and not just the privileged and successful - not superstars
The present and growing imbalance in society is not just unfair - it's a waste of talent and potential
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 30 Jun 19 - 01:17 AM

May be nowt but internet rumour...???

brutal criminal fanatical Russian Jewish mafia are now infiltrating & influencing Israel govt
and turning it even nastier...?????










//

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 30 Jun 19 - 12:55 AM

To be fair to all parties. You have to have something to negotiate with. And Israel is surrounded by countries whose leaderships have gone from Soviet Imperialist (in Nasser's day) to Islamic fundamentalism, Arab tribalism, and arrogant Monarchy. These are not easy people to deal with.

I dislike the sneering at Israel. I'm not Jewish. I don't see attempt to understand their predicament. I hear a lot of resentment of Israel's very existence.

And frankly I see a lot of the denial of antisemitism as disingenuous. It cames from a far left faction who see it as their duty to dis anything they see as American Imperialism.

The State of Israel happened because of what happened in Europe, because of the attitudes much in evidence in Russia. Perhaps crude surgery but highly necessary.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Jun 19 - 06:17 PM

By all means condemn Hamas and Hezbollah. They suck. I'm the first to admit it. They are not very nice. But do be aware of why these organisations came into being in the first place. A time when nobody was standing up for the Palestinians in the face of repeated Israeli regimes' repression, including those massacres at Sabra and Shatila. Their original raison d'être was protection of Palestinians. The fact that the so-called peace process, for decades, has been a total sham, thanks to racist regimes in the US and Israel, supported by lackey governments in the UK and elsewhere who help to bankroll Israel's military and who unconditionally support Israeli regime outrages, has alienated the factions that support the Palestinians, should be taken into account before you resort to ideological condemnation.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Mr Red
Date: 29 Jun 19 - 06:14 PM

Jeremy Corbyn will not be our next PM, or even the one after that. If the Tory & Labour parties want credibility that will win an election they must first wind back the clock, and unmake a decisive decision each.

1) Don't give a back-bencher who holds polarised views on other countries politics as a substitute for visible views on his own bloody country, the job of leader.

2) Take Cameroon's dick out of the pig's head and inject the the simple truth into his tiny brain - "don't go to the public to find a solution for your own divided party".

King Boorish will be PM and a bad one at that. Hunt the cunt will be an almost reasonable PM, in the context of a total mess, anyone but Boorish would. But in these interesting times prediction is useless. I hedge my bets. They both will serve one after the other.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Jun 19 - 05:50 PM

Margaret Hodge is one of the most dishonest and despicable people it's been my misfortune to encounter. Her record In public life (do look it up) is more than disreputable, to the point of being downright scurrilous. A disgusting woman and a disgrace to the Labour Party.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 29 Jun 19 - 05:29 PM

I suppose we could get Hamas to chain David Carter to a radiator for three years - dunno what else, see if they can convince him that they are terrorists.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 29 Jun 19 - 03:46 PM

ok, what happens if Farage is the next prime minister ?

Doubt it - nobody world be that stupid..........

History is not on our side.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Raggytash
Date: 29 Jun 19 - 02:18 PM

Question.

Is the Brexit party even considering fighting a general election and if so are they going to find 600 plus candidates.....











of any quality

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Jun 19 - 01:57 PM

Doubt it - nobody world be that stupid.......... mind you !!!!
If the Brexit Party gain more ground that will split the Tory Parliamentary numbers right down the middle and they will no longer have significance as a major party
Brexit has a snowball's chance in hell of becoming a major Party - the fiasco that was Ukip has proved that beyond any doubt
It was predicted that Brexit would destroy Britain - it looks set fait ro destroying Parliamentary Democracy
Hopefully the very depressing 'Years and Years' was just someone's wet dream
im Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: The Sandman
Date: 29 Jun 19 - 11:49 AM

ok, what happens if Farage is the next prime minister ?

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Jun 19 - 10:08 AM

"Margaret Hodge"
NOT THE ONLY ONE, OF COURSE
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 29 Jun 19 - 09:53 AM

Al - the labour party is f@cked while it tolerates wealthy old personal power base builders like Margaret Hodge..

She seems far more concerned about clinging onto her empire within the party at all costs,
than actually winning a general election.

She's firmly convinced she's untouchable.

Hodge has completely lost sight of the reason and purpose of the labour party.

Being as far removed from the working class, and as much use, as any tory grandee...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Raggytash
Date: 29 Jun 19 - 08:01 AM

52nd state of the Union perhaps?

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 29 Jun 19 - 07:51 AM

That'll be the billionaire bully who's destroyed Scottish sand dunes of bio habitat importance
and been allowed to get away with it...

Where next on our tiny island of USA arse licking tories with grand delusions of independent sovreignty...???

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Jun 19 - 07:49 AM

Not for the conservative leadership election, Al. Which is what we are talking about. It's the one who can convince most old, middle class, male, white Tory party members that gets the top job.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 29 Jun 19 - 07:42 AM

well yes - but that's not how elections work. as well you knoww. its the one who wins the most seats who decides who we're doing the rhumba with.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Jun 19 - 07:15 AM

Reports from the international summit say that Tump is now sucking up to Russia and Saudi Arabia and virtually ignoring the views of Britain and the more moderate ones
He made a joke about Russia hacking the US elections and refused to comment on US security accusations that the Saudi Royal family engineered the murder of Khashoggi
Will be interesting to see if this has any bearing on the election of the new PM in order to keep Donald the Dickhead sweet
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Jun 19 - 06:39 AM

I could refer you to Euro elections when themassed bands of Farage's bonkers bastards trounced everyone.

If you look at the actual figures rather than the headlines, Al, the remain parties (LibDem, Green, SNP) polled more votes and gained more seats between them than Farage's swivel eyed loons.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Mr Red
Date: 29 Jun 19 - 06:04 AM

BBC News this morning

Complaints this morning about the BBC Panorama programme last night which apparently was about King Boris's spat with his girlfriend.

Mutterings about an intrusion too far.

WTF, - we see pictures of him and the GF (who is a/his publicist!) visiting a tourist attraction hand in hand a week before. If they want their private life splashed over the newspapers to re-assure the skeptics they is a settled couple - for cynical political purposes .............

Why must the agitprop public complain about their favourite's treatment, when the media comply in the way the media inevitably do? Goddamit, the content of the row that is the subject is far more relevant to the berk's qualities suitable in a PM. Or not! As we all suspect anyway.

Loose cannon is the politest description.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Jun 19 - 05:41 AM

"Funny that nowhere do the lefties congratulate compo corbyn for his sterling efforts on the brexit question."
Unlike the magnificent job the Tories have made of dividing the country, tearing their own party to shreds making the Government unable to govern and driving out major industries...... !!!!
Labour has the prioblem of still having the residue of New Labour Tories to contend with who are happy to allow a foreign power to malign their Party in order to get rid of a large majority elected leadership
Given that, he's kept his hands relatively clean regarding Brexit
He doesn't have to do too much - the governing opposition is doing too good a job of destroying their own party for him t have to do much more than allow them to
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 29 Jun 19 - 05:34 AM

dave, I could refer you to Euro elections when themassed bands of Farage's bonkers bastards trounced everyone.

The situation is not good.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Jun 19 - 04:26 AM

Al, who the fuck is going to vote for Labour?

I refer you to the last general election when Labour wiped out the Tory majority. You are letting the gutter press assassination of Corbyn get to you. They are running scared which is why they are doing it. I thought you would have been wise to that.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 29 Jun 19 - 02:18 AM

Any news on the Conservative Leadership Contest - the thread topic?

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 28 Jun 19 - 03:29 PM

"There must be grounds for intiating an enquiry, these things do not happen wily nilly."

Iains - your big smarmy smear implying "no smoke without fire..."

Yeah right.. like it's not that obvious who the likely arsonists might be...

The masked suspect was seen fleeing from the scene of the fire
wearing an "I'm a Labour Party member" Tee shirt and humming the red flag...
Positive proof the culprits are Labour supporters, confirmed a passing tory witness who smelled of smoke
and had singed eyebrows...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 28 Jun 19 - 03:23 PM

Hamas are a political party, their designation as a terrorist organisation is still the subject of ongoing legal proceedings.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Jun 19 - 03:06 PM

And fuck all to do with the debacle over choosing between BoJo the clown or Hunt the ****. Typical right wing smoke and mirrors and once again everyone is falling for it.

Ignore him. It's the only way.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 28 Jun 19 - 03:06 PM

Iains - word for word the expected prefab propaganda-pack response we expect from you...

Is there a mudcat tool, like an old fashioned rubber stamper,
we can use to print over Iains more blatant posts,
in big bold red letters ...

"REJECTED - MORE OF THE SAME OLD ANTI LABOUR PROPAGANDA BOLLOCKS !!!"...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Jun 19 - 02:46 PM

This has never been about the Jewish people - always about Israel
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Iains
Date: 28 Jun 19 - 02:46 PM

Well I think we can wait for the Equality and Human Rights Commission to rule on whether or not Labour is antisemitic. There must be grounds for intiating an enquiry, these things do not happen wily nilly. Furthermore for fully one third of Labour MPs are calling for the removal of the whip from Mr Williamson leads one to believe they feel there are some grounds for the accusation.(which is simply one of many) And let us not forget that compo has put himself in some rather exposed positions for him to be whiter than white.
1)May 17, 2019 - Hamas, the militant Palestinian terror group, praised Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn for his support of an anti-Israel rally last Sunday in central London
2)The British Labour Party faced fresh accusations of anti-Semitism amid reports that leader Jeremy Corbyn accused Britain of “conceding to Zionist forces” in allowing the creation of the State of Israel.

Corbyn allegedly made the comments in a 2011 pamphlet, written by Labour MPs Sir Gerald Kaufman and Michael Connarty, after a trip to Palestinian refugee camps in Lebanon.

The chucklebutty report was a farcical whitewash, hence the case being taken up by the EHRC (one hack describes the report as a cynical disgrace

Jeremy Corbyn is more than just a dimwit over antisemitism
"The Labour leader’s political prejudices – against American ‘imperialism’, Nato as an ‘occupying force’, about international finance capitalism, for Hezbollah and Hamas – are just fanning out, or feeding into, one unifying theme: an unacknowledged antisemitism"

Poor old compo has also been labelled a security risk and has wargamed for a total collapse of sterling should he ever become PM. That you could not make up!

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 28 Jun 19 - 02:32 PM

I agree here, Williamson seems to be asked to prove that he is not antisemitic, rather than his accusers being asked to prove that he is. And, for avoidance of doubt, criticism of Israel is not antisemitic. Meanwhile the tories are trying to bury the much more real issue of Islamophobia within their party.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Jun 19 - 02:08 PM

Until somebody produces evidence of Labour attacking Jews there is no grounds for claiming antisemitism
Israel has manipulated and re-defined the term to include criticism of Israeli policy and even gone as far as accusing Jewish criticism of Israel as "Jewish self-hatred"
That says everything than needs to be said about these accusations
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 28 Jun 19 - 01:31 PM

Williamson is only 2 years older than me.
We were near same age and cultural contemporaries back in the 1970s and 80s.
We both share the same strong life long influences
from being active participants in that era's defining anti n@zi league and rock against racism youth movement.

From his TV interviews, I am fully inclined to believe he is sincere and genuinely not a jew hater.
It is far more reasonable to see him as more likely the victim
of trumped up politically motivated weaponised accusations of antisemitism...

Of course, me merely suggesting that opens me up to the same attacks from zealots and tory oportunists...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Jun 19 - 01:18 PM

AS FAR AS I CAN SEE, THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OF ATTACKS ON THE JEWISH PEOPLE HERE
It is antisemitic by definition to describe criticism of Israel as "antisemitic"
A reminder - these attacks on The Labour Party began within three weeks of a visit to Israel by Israel's Voice in the British Parliament 'The Friends of Israel'
Coincidence...... !!!!

Labour has no history whatever of antisemitic 'Jew-hating'.
ON THE OTHER HAND   
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 28 Jun 19 - 01:10 PM

Iains - The very fact you are so desperate to resort so much to accusing Labour of antisemitism,
indicates there are serious grounds for suspecting the origins and truth of much of these accusations...???

If anyone should be expelled from the party, it's that bitter vindictive hateful excessively wealthy Margaret Hodge...

What is she.. jealous and spiteful that she never became leader...?????

She would be a perfect tory ...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Iains
Date: 28 Jun 19 - 12:45 PM

Corbyn and labour do not deserve capitals. I see one third of labour mps want chris williamson expelled from the party and the whip withdrawn.
From this one can conclude that the remaining two thirds are more than happy to support anti semitism.
" More than 60 Labour MPs have signed a motion formally seeking to have the whip removed from Chris Williamson in a renewed attempt to put pressure on Jeremy Corbyn over the decision to readmit the MP to the party. The move came a day after more than 120 Labour MPs and peers led by the deputy leader, Tom Watson, demanded Williamson be ejected for suggesting the party was “too apologetic” about antisemitism. It also followed the submission of a separate letter signed by nearly 70 Labour staff members expressing their anger at the readmission."

To claim the party was too apologetic about the allegation, while being investigated by the Equality and Human Rights Commission is definitely cocking a snoot at the investigation. Guido is producing a list of labour mps who voted and more to the point, a list of those that did not. I am sure the local constituency parties will be paying close attention when it comes to reselection/deselection.
Labour is in a bit of a tiz these days - call yourselves an opposition party? more of a mad hatters tea party with compo as the white rabbit!

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Jun 19 - 11:06 AM

Your grammar school appears not to have taught you when and when not to use capital letters, however.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Jun 19 - 11:06 AM

”or the lack of a coherant brexit policy.”

In best Nigs the Nitpicker tradition, and as he hasn’t the balls to nitpick his R-WE cohort, I’ll point out that it’s ‘coherent’. Jeeeezus, it’s a real turkey shoot in here, isn’t it?

”One cannot even be sure if they support brexit or remain.”

When will you get it into that chunk of solid bone between your ears - Brexit is the project of the Tory party, it’s not Labour’s problem? The Tories started it because they were soiling their shreddies that Spew-kip would nick votes from them in a GE, and they tried to keep it all to themselves for three years until even The Praying Mantis had to admit her single, very bad dea wouldn’t work, so she asked JC to help her out but ignored everything he and his team had to say. They wanted it, they can have it. Their problem, and theirs alone

”What sort of opposition party is that?”

A sensible one, that’s keeping out of the shit-pile The Tories have dropped themselves into and, with a little bit of luck and a fair wind, letting them render themselves unelectable for many years to come.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Jun 19 - 10:58 AM

Isn't it fun watching someone desperately trying to divert attention away from their own shit storm :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Iains
Date: 28 Jun 19 - 10:52 AM

Will Iains now insist that it is actually "shit creet"...???

My Grammar school taught me how to spell.

Shit creek is where corbyn will be if he supports Brexit and betrays the labour heartlands.
What joy that will be to watch. The laddie is dammed whatever side of the fence he falls off. You could not make it up!

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Jun 19 - 10:28 AM

Heheh!

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Jun 19 - 09:58 AM

ROTFLMAO!

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 28 Jun 19 - 09:38 AM

Will Iains now insist that it is actually "shit creet"...???

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Jun 19 - 07:42 AM

Bollocks: I'm going back to Brussels and coming back with a deal.

Bollocks: there'll be no tariffs because we will operate under article 24 of GATT (or something).

Truth: whichever of these two dorks is undemocratically appointed PM, we will be up shit creek without a paddle.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Jun 19 - 07:30 AM

EG.

Truth: There are 200 times more instances of 'snook' than 'snoot' found when using Google

Bollocks: We will be able to spend £350 million pounds a week on the NHS.

:D