BS: Conservative Leadership Contest

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 01:07 PM

Walkabout - well there's at least a case to be made for cutting back on the exhorbitant expanding costs
of parasitic self serving international beaurocracy...

Few would disagree on that...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 12:08 PM

Rather, PFR, I'll add a bit: apart from their local government, all any citizen of our world needs is their own nation and the United Nations - no G7, Commonwealth, African Union, European Union or other such clubs. All nations sitting around a United Nations table is surely the best possible way.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 12:07 PM

Time wasted writing here.. and big gaps that make no sense..
We Brits are made of sterner stuff and can cope with robust disagreements and antagonistic banter..
But mollycoddling mods knows best...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 10:54 AM

A fair bit above now, sorry, I meant Boris (after he tossed his coin or suchlike) is for leaving the EU/the "enemy" of those who wish to stay. No nation is my enemy - I strongly believe in the English nation AND the United Nations with travel and fair trade (not conquest and immigration) between them.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 10:34 AM

I read the Guardian (and watch the telly and listen to the wireless and go on news websites, etc) to find out wot's 'appenin', that's all. Some of the columnists get on my nerves, but at least the paper invites comment from a wide spectrum of contributors. If you choose not to try to find out wot's 'appenin' from lots of sources you won't properly find out wot's 'appenin' at all.The Express piece linked to earlier displayed a classic piece of tabloid spin to make it look like the EU was booting the whole army out of Europe. The tabloids and the quasi-criminal who runs Guido Fawkes merely tell already-believers what they want to hear.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 10:22 AM

Actually,, now I think about it, I've not read Viz comic for nearly 20 years..
I wonder what their current prevailing politics are this last 3 or 4 years...???


[i've momentarily forgotten the big word for a media publication's overall political position..??? bugger it..}

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 09:38 AM

Time to learn survivalist skills, stock up, and go off grid...???

In escalating crisis times like this I regret not joining the army when I was younger
and learning how to kill with my bare hands..

How long before the late night knock at the door...

"We have reason to believe you voted remain, please come quietly with us, now..."

Brexiteer Militias are already prepping to take control...


What we need now is a space alien invasion
to bring us all back together on the same side
against a more immediately theatening common enemy...

"who do you think you are kidding mr space alien.. etc..."

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 07:49 AM

When Boris has got a policemann standing at the door, no 11 won't need to call the cops out.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 06:39 AM

What on earth has a person's political leanings got to do with reporting anti-social behaviour or being concerned for the safety of a neighbour? Unless you are saying you suspected it was a "lefty" because you know that you Tories couldn't give a toss about anyone but yourselves.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Stanron
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 06:31 AM

It didn't surprise me at all that the concerned neighbour was a lefty. That was my first suspicion.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Raggytash
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 05:52 AM

Even those 14 will be reviewed on a case by case basis. However that is at the bottom of the page perhaps someone didn't read that far down.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 05:31 AM

To be a little more precise, the EU is ending the secondment arrangements for 14 military bureaucrats, just as you'd expect post-brexit. Just sayin'. If anyone else here wants to delude themselves, just keep reading the Daily Express.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 22 Jun 19 - 07:59 PM

Is it too late for tories to offer Farage or Tommy Robinson the job...???

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Stanron
Date: 22 Jun 19 - 06:37 PM

If J Hunt becomes PM I will never vote Tory again. Look at the body language. He looks like a guilty child.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 22 Jun 19 - 03:33 PM

Boris would be the equivalent of a tame tribal Briton cheiftain, loyal to Caesar...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 22 Jun 19 - 03:31 PM

Being the reasonable objective chap I am..
I'll back-track a little..

Trump would probably restrain from threatening to eliminate us..
He'd only want to dominate us - as a prize posession in his empire...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 22 Jun 19 - 02:49 PM

Anyway, we're just waiting in line for our turn
for Trump to declare war on us,
in his crusade to eliminate anywhere not the USA......

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Jun 19 - 02:44 PM

It was ever thus, PFR. The mainstay of the brexitaliban is that Europe is "the enemy". We beat the Germans in two world wars, therefore we can never be partners with them. Never mind that we were allied with the French and Belgians and Dutch for those conflicts. We have always been at war with part of Europe (except maybe Portugal?) so it must be their fault. Sick, sick, sick puppies.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 22 Jun 19 - 01:23 PM

Damage limitation control in full swing..

AS if Boz's support camp weren't already pre-prepared and drilled to cope with a full list of his potential eff ups...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 22 Jun 19 - 12:24 PM

Hunt has got mad eyes.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 22 Jun 19 - 11:46 AM

Ok.. so it seems the problem here is that the Idiotpendent don't like my ad-blocker,
so clumsily crashed Chrome browser and froze my PC for over 10 minutes..

But it works no problems in Chrome on my android phone...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 22 Jun 19 - 11:15 AM

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-police-altercation-home-carrie-symonds-tory-leader-a8969996.html


Good luck if this link opens in your computer.
Might be a subscription / pay wall...???

But it opened with no problems on my phone.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 22 Jun 19 - 10:51 AM

So the inevitable tory defence tactic...

Blaming the couple who recorded evidence and called the police as 'lefties with a grudge'...

How soon now before they start receiving death threats from tory trolls...???

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: DMcG
Date: 22 Jun 19 - 08:47 AM

When it comes to bread and circuses, I am on the side of bread. The primary purpose of politics is not to stop people being bored.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Stanron
Date: 22 Jun 19 - 08:38 AM

The Labour loves Labour love-in on this forum has always been boring.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 22 Jun 19 - 08:10 AM

It's all getting rather boring don't you think!

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 22 Jun 19 - 07:59 AM

If Labour still had old fashioned working class politicians like basher Presott,
so many supporters might not have departed for ukip,
or now not bothering to vote at all...

To be honest, I was wondering why it took Iains so long to do a 'what about him' about him...????

Iains - are you alright mate...???

You don't seem quite all there this weekend...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 22 Jun 19 - 07:21 AM

Prescott also mixed it with a man as large as himself. He did not attack a woman.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Jun 19 - 07:01 AM

I was about to say that he could emulate the Maybot, who, as Home Secretary, downgraded her promises on immigration to "aspirations"...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: DMcG
Date: 22 Jun 19 - 06:22 AM

My last post was off topic, I am afraid. It would be better on the Brexit thread.

Sticking to the Conservative leader questions, while Brexit understandably looms large, we at least have some idea of what they intend to do apart from magically resolve Brexit, since we have had comments about taxation, for example. I think Boris' plan for raising the higher rate tax boundary to £80,000 will disappear into the far distance: it was useful for persuading MPs who all get just under that as a salary to vote for him. Now those votes are pocketed the "ambition" can be downgraded further - a "long term aim", perhaps.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: DMcG
Date: 22 Jun 19 - 06:05 AM

Isn't it always?

You are waiting for Iains to respond to your question of a few days ago. I am still waiting for Nigel - he who insists on absolute precision - to say what he means by 'short term' in the context of possible 'short term' downsides to a no deal. I've been waiting months for an answer, which I want expressed in days, weeks, month, years or decades rather than vague handwaving. And I am happy to have this broken down by issue if it helps, since it is only reasonable that some problems will be resolved faster than others. At least one Brexit Party candidate for the EU elections had the honesty to say she thought it would take thirty years to resolve all the issues.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Raggytash
Date: 22 Jun 19 - 05:40 AM

Careful DMcG it's another case of "oh look over there", studiously avoiding the real issue.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: DMcG
Date: 22 Jun 19 - 05:36 AM

An egg was thrown at Prescott and he reacted to it. Badly, I agree, but he was responding to an assault.

Field reacted to a woman walking past him without paying him any attention ("storming" in your prejorative term) and based on no evidence whatever, he attacked her.

So compare the two: who physically attacked first in each case?

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Iains
Date: 22 Jun 19 - 05:25 AM

I do not remember deputy Labour PM Prescott being referred to anger management courses, more likely he was influenced by Olivia Newton John's hit "Lets get Physical"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UhME8dcOqc

Was Prescott a man of the people as well? and he was caught in glorious technicolour!

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: DMcG
Date: 22 Jun 19 - 04:52 AM

There is something of concern that is likely to be overlooked as the Boris Spat Story evolves. The Guardian said:


When contacted by the Guardian on Friday, police initially said they had no record of a domestic incident at the address. But when given the case number and reference number, as well as identification markings of the vehicles that were called out, police issued a statement saying: “At 00:24hrs on Friday, 21 June, police responded to a call from a local resident in [south London]. The caller was concerned for the welfare of a female neighbour.


There might be any number of good reasons the police initially denied it: rights to privacy, for example, or that the person who answered the phone did not have the information at the time. But there are also good reasons why anyone standing as PM may not have that privacy as an automatic right, given they seek a very public position.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Mr Red
Date: 22 Jun 19 - 02:46 AM

Well the altercation reports in the Gaurdian are just an extension** of what is going on in Westminster. I am sure the Blairs had their moment like all couples, but this does appear to be a little more momentous and more of a concern when looking into the barrel of the Brexshit gun, right now.

** yea, yea. Ex-tension is an unfortunate contra-punning description. But it is early and I left it there because it goes with the whole shitty, messy subject.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: DMcG
Date: 22 Jun 19 - 01:29 AM

Before Nigel leaps in, I realise the electorate do not initiate the recall. It was a joke, of sorts. I was thinking what could possibly make things worse, and with recall petitions in the air, it seemed to me they would do it.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: DMcG
Date: 22 Jun 19 - 01:16 AM

Good question. I would assumed Hunt would then go through unopposed, so the vote of the membership would be cancelled.

Of course, we could add to the jollity of the game if the electorate of both Boris's and Hunt's constituencies decided to initiate recall petitions...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 21 Jun 19 - 11:17 PM

What an entertaining larf to celebrate summer solstice..
what is he like...

So if he is forced to quit the leadership contest for being a loud abusive pisshead chav,
does that make Hunt the winner..
or do they bring back Gove...???

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Jun 19 - 07:06 PM

Eton pigshead fu*ck*ing bubbles, that's what, Dave.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Jun 19 - 05:58 PM

A complete knobwhoppit (aka Tory) on TV has just said BoJo is a man of the people because he acts just like most people do. What sort of circles do these arseholes move in?

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Jun 19 - 05:55 PM

Yup. And now the silly sod has shat in his own bed via a stupid little drunken domestic. I have a feeling that we're going to get Jeremy C*unt...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Jun 19 - 05:39 PM

I would just draw your attention to my post of 21 Jun 19 - 01:37 AM

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Jun 19 - 05:27 PM

From the sacred Daily Mash, which usually manages to inject a grain of truth...

THE Conservative MP accused of assaulting a Greenpeace protester has apologised to fellow dinner guests for not using lethal force.

Mark Field protected fellow diners from the risk of a person who they may not have agreed with by removing her safely by the neck, but admitted he was criminally negligent for not bringing a weapon with him.

He continued: “I should never have gone to the annual Merchants and Bankers Dinner at Mansion House without being tooled up. What was I thinking?


“I’ve got a whole arsenal at home – pull the Thatcher memoir from the shelves, the wall opens up, 31 guns and 18 edged weapons, backlit – but I had to use my hands, and Parliament’s made me soft.

“What I should have done? Backwards out of the chair, tuck and roll, two warning shots into the torso, tuck and roll into cover, blindfire six rounds, tuck and roll, double-tap to the head.

“Bish bosh. Job done. Round of applause.”

When informed that he may be charged with assault, Field said: “But she’s a lefty.”

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 21 Jun 19 - 05:15 PM

And in the Guardian article in the link, it states that the lady in question, one Carrie Symonds "has been credited with revitalising his appearance". What??? Then just look at the picture attached to the article. if that appearance is revitalised, he must have looked like Herman Munster before.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 21 Jun 19 - 05:01 PM

Johnson is terrified he is going to win this contest. He may have decided that a night or two in the police cells may be preferable.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 21 Jun 19 - 04:45 PM

Difficult to know whether Iains has lost it more than Johnson. Police now called to an altercation at the flat that Johnson shares with his latest piece of fluff. "Get off me and get out of my flat". Domestic abuse unit need to look into this. With him and Field, there should be a lot of work here for anger management counsellors.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Raggytash
Date: 21 Jun 19 - 04:44 PM

Smoke without fire is an expression I have read recently on here in relation to Labour party politicians.

Does it also apply to conservatives I ask myself?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/21/police-called-to-loud-altercation-at-boris-johnsons-home

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 21 Jun 19 - 03:05 PM

Iains - your 'what ifs' and 'what about thems' are usually stretching reality to absurdity,
but today you have pushed yourself over the edge into hysteria...

Take a breather, and try to relocate the plot...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Iains
Date: 21 Jun 19 - 02:55 PM

Of course had it been Jezza it would have been a right hook and game over.
Or if 80 years old and calling Jacj Straw a liar:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1499466/Heckler-82-who-dared-called-Straw-a-liar-is-held-under-terrorist-law.html

A different story for labour?

The fact remains the lunatic made a forced entry, she was clutching a handbag. She posed a threat. The Mansion House Banquet is a collection of high level targets.
. What was in her bag? Hand grenade? Was the pin pulled as she ran towards the top table? That it was a woman sadly now means nothing. Would the Chancellor's Protection Officer have shot her if she had got closer, with the bag? In other, not so different circumstances, the media would have been acclaiming a hero.