BS: Conservative Leadership Contest

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 25 Jun 19 - 03:31 AM

Extremely sensible Pete, which is why our politicians will never go for it.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: peteglasgow
Date: 25 Jun 19 - 03:28 AM

perhaps the EU could say to us that you can have as long an extension as you want- 'retournez to us when your peoples and your parliament have agreed what you would like and we will consider it. of course, this may take some time' They could be confident that in time we would just forget the whole daft idea. particularly once we have launched an enquiry into why we havn't left yet.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: The Sandman
Date: 25 Jun 19 - 02:25 AM

alternatively parpiament comes to a decision and we have a second one. however how will it be worded?

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 24 Jun 19 - 10:37 PM

I think at some point, someone is going to have the bollocks to say - well referendums are only there to provide advice. We've listened to your advice - but we don't agree.

We'll just forget Brexit - we can't get it through parliament. so thats the end of it.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jun 19 - 09:09 PM

Another pie-in-the-sky, cloud cuckoo land showing from Johnson tonight. I love you, Laura, but you were too soft on him. So he's going back to Brussels to get "a deal" and he's well, sort of got easy answers for the backstop and why don't we all just shut up about tariffs. Unfortunately, when he gets there he'll find that all those negotiators have disbanded, padlocked their briefcases and gone off on their hols. Poor Boris. Poor us.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 24 Jun 19 - 08:44 PM

Hunt is blethering on about another set of discussions with the EU. So basically - he's a remainer - offering more of the same.

I think if you're a remainer - he's probably the best choice. I think - if he wins and you want to stay in Europe - vote tory.

Corbyn or liberal democrat - they're talking another referendum, which I think your side would lose.

Hunt is a convinced reaminer. I think he's your boy.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 24 Jun 19 - 05:29 PM

The two of 'em couple together so well by names, a job share could be a solution...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 24 Jun 19 - 04:45 PM

Jeremy Hunt is certainly a lot more conservative the Boris Johnson, one feels.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Raggytash
Date: 24 Jun 19 - 03:42 PM

An utterly damning indictment of Johnson by Max Hastings in todays Guardian.

Whilst no great fan of Hastings he really doesn't pull any punches in his complete and frankly ruthless condemnation of the darling of the Tory party.

I do hope that those who have the opportunity to vote in the forthcoming selection take it on board.

Link

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: DMcG
Date: 24 Jun 19 - 12:07 PM

It seems that today’s Evening Standard editorial claims that Sir Mark Sedwill, the cabinet secretary, has told Theresa May that she should only advise the Queen to appoint Boris Johnson or Jeremy Hunt as her successor if she is confident that they can command a majority in the Commons.

It would be quite in keeping with the chaos of the last few years if after all the MP votes and the votes of the Tory party members it was decided nether Johnson or Hunt could become PM after all.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 Jun 19 - 11:52 AM

Are we likely to get a spate of jokes about sticking a Boris in a Jeremy? I do hope so! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Mr Red
Date: 24 Jun 19 - 11:50 AM

You know, the way things have not been going to prediction of late - it may just end up 52/48% and not the one you thought!

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 24 Jun 19 - 11:21 AM

Full credit to my mrs for working the following out...
[she's a Welsh valleys girl - that figures...]



Johnson is a slang term for male genitalia..

Hunt is rhyming slang for the corresponding female parts...

An uncanny omen for the inevitability of the tories
continuing to f@ck the nation...!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 24 Jun 19 - 10:40 AM

Precisely!

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 24 Jun 19 - 10:25 AM

... Eton...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 24 Jun 19 - 10:24 AM

So what's the difference between dodgy posh twat Johnson blatantly evading questions,
and a guilty scumbag street rat chav
who persistently answers police questioning
with "No comment"...???

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 24 Jun 19 - 10:10 AM

So....Bozo the Cowardly, running away again, exactly as he did on the morning after the referendum.

To call him a Piece of Shit would be an insult to pieces of shit.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 24 Jun 19 - 09:42 AM

It isn't so much about Johnson bamboozling the electorate, but him dangling carrots in front of the tory faithful to line their own pockets without a thought to the greater impact on society.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 24 Jun 19 - 08:34 AM

Proof that turkeys can actually be seduced into voting for xmas...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 24 Jun 19 - 08:28 AM

Well, he proved during the BrexShit campaign how easy it is to bamboozle the brainless with a few sound bites and meaningless slogans. I’m sure they’ll be thick enough to fall for his horse-shit again.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 24 Jun 19 - 08:27 AM

Apologies, on 2nd thoughts I shouldn't have called our next PM an "arrogant spolied rich posh boy"...

I realise I made made a mistake..


When he is in fact an arrogant spoiled rich fat bully posh boy...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 Jun 19 - 08:22 AM

BoJo's brexit could be in the same category as Trump's wall. An easy soundbite that is far from easy to achieve. Trouble is they are both telling people what they want to hear and many keep falling for it :-(

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 24 Jun 19 - 08:18 AM

I'm sure the arrogant spolied rich posh boy believes he's already won
because the leadership is his by right of birth,
so doesn't need to bother with the boring chores of competing with an oik...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Raggytash
Date: 24 Jun 19 - 08:10 AM

I see that Johnson is refusing to publicly discuss his tilt for the leadership of the Tory party.

I think it is called the Mushroom system.

























Keep them in the dark and feed them horsehit.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 24 Jun 19 - 07:49 AM

https://uk.video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=mcafee&p=youtube+joe+loss+march+of+the+mods#id=51&vid=3758ccc1a5ea79d3bcffde87

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 06:10 PM

Come along, chaps. Don't let Iains wreck a worthwhile thread by splitting us up. After all, today we have Jeremy-his-own-Cockney-rhyming-slang attacking Bozza for evasion. It's Tories for sure but it could be an oasis of fun in this brexitaceous vale of tears...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 04:12 PM

Good to hear, pfr. On with the motley.... :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 03:30 PM

BWM - of course.. the disruption was a momentary blip..

I'm not in a good mood this weekend - a summer cough choking me awake all night..

Anyway, 'slip' should have been 'slide'..
but either way I typed too quickly and clumsily
under duress of the mrs nagging me to get back in the kitchen..

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 03:26 PM

DtG - That sounds more like it..
As long as he's keeping well...

I definitely don't think I'm the right person to open such a thread..
I'm guessing the mudcatter who PMd me doesn't think he should start the thread either..


Jim's most recent post was about a fortnight ago..
Maybe a more diplomatic catter who knows him in real life could give him a call..

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 03:25 PM

Not at all. As I said, you are free to do as you wish and respond to anyone you choose, but don’t complain when Troll posts, and those of people who respond to Troll posts, are removed by the Mods. It’s their forum, not yours or mine.

As regards your claim that you ‘never threatened anyone’...

“Thank you for your well-meant advice, but I prefer to follow my own course...” would have been a perfectly acceptable, non-challenging response, which I would accept without demur.

“I’ll let that slip, but it’s best not to patronise me...” suggests consequences, therefore it’s a threat.

I’m happy to disagree with anyone, and I don’t wish to fall out with those whose contributions here I enjoy and who I generally feel a kinship with, but I don’t threaten people - not even Right-Wing Extremists - and I won’t accept threats. Not from anyone.

Now...shall we resume Normal Service? ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 03:23 PM

Btw - check your PMs

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 03:09 PM

I hope you are right, PFR, but it is sometimes difficult to see when someone is just winding you up.

As to Jim, he is pissed off that Muscat and its members are, in his opinion, ruining English Folk music. I disagree with him but, like you, it is his prerogative to react in the way he deems fit. Feel free to start a "discreet thread" but I don't think he will thank you for it.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 02:56 PM

BWM - I certainly don't want any fallings out..
we've all been cooped up here together for too long...
I never threatened anyone, I merely said don't patronise me...
that rubs me up the wrong way...

You seem too certain your position is right and mine is wrong...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 02:52 PM

DtG - nobody pulls mine unless I let 'em for my own enjoyment...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 02:50 PM

oh.. before i go.. just off topic...

I recieved a surprise PM from a much loved and respected good guy mudcatter
asking if I knew anything about Jim.
Apparently he's disapeared from mudcat...???
A sugestion arose one of us could start a discreet thread
inquiring if anyone knows if there's any problems...

Fingers crossed Jim's ok...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 02:50 PM

I should only post comments about fluffy kitttens and baby bunnies

No, no and a thousand times no. Post interesting, decisive and even offensive stuff. Just remember that there are people on here who are just pulling your strings and getting off on it. Don't let them!

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 02:46 PM

”BWM - I'll let that slip, but it's best not to patronise me...”

But I don’t let threats slip, pfr - not in real life, and definitely not on an Internet forum. My advice is to cool it, get back in bed, and get out on the right side.

By turning on those who are your friends, you’re giving the Right-Wing Extremist Troll precisely what he’s looking for.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 02:43 PM

DtG - In my obvious pissed offedness..
that is also what I am making clear to him,
and anyone else daft enought to be reading this thread...

Fom now on I should only post comments about fluffy kitttens and baby bunnies...???

Anyway, I'm off for fish n chips and good after dinner kip during a movie..

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 02:26 PM

I will break a personal rule and respond to Iains's nonsense to highlight that his pointing out that my post that he refers to:

From: Dave the Gnome - PM
Date: 22 Jun 19 - 02:44 PM

no longer exists. I have no idea what it said but if it had been deleted, then fair enough. The premise is that only right wing posts are removed. He has proved that this is patently unrue.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 02:17 PM

but I'll decide for myself who I respond to, thank you

Of course you will, PFR. That is your right. But I would draw your attention to the recommendations from the Mudcat faq and newcomers guide

I've said it before, and I'm sure I'll say it many times more: the best way to deal with both flamers and trolls is to ignore them. Give them silence, and they'll go away. They feed on attention - don't give it to them.

Now, it is entirely up to you whether you heed that advice but may I suggest that having a go at those that do is not a good idea. Nor is having a go at the mods for doing their (unpaid and unappreciated) job. I am as much a rebel as you and agree that bars do need to be rattled at times. But, when in Rome etc. We are all guests in Mac's house here. Let us respect him.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 02:15 PM

BWM - I'll let that slip, but it's best not to patronise me...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 02:13 PM

Iains - now don't start thinking we are forming an alliance..

but there are alternative voices on the left
getting fed up with
our more control freak and censorship inclined comrades...

That's why YOU need to understand the left is not just the one dimensional cartoon figures
of your [and the tory/brexit/ukip/ etc party's] paranoid prejudices...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 02:10 PM

”DtG/BWM - ..and you can call whoever you like a 'troll',
but I'll decide for myself who I respond to, thank you...”

That’s fine by me pfr, it’s your right to choose to ignore good, sensible advice.

Just don’t waste bandwidth and disk-space on the Mudcat servers by pissing, moaning, and bellyaching when the Mods delete Troll’s posts together with those by people who encourage the Trolls by responding to them.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 01:58 PM

I have my own views on the effectiveness of 'safe spacing',
and an opinion on mudcatters, left or right, who petition mods to delete posts...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 01:54 PM

DtG/BWM - ..and you can call whoever you like a 'troll',
but I'll decide for myself who I respond to, thank you...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 01:51 PM

DtG - but that don't make me any happier that I wasted hours carfully constructing and writing posts
to positively counter said trolling;
which have also been arbitrarily deleted...

I'm not a fast over prolific writer like others here..
My posts take up too much time commiting to typing..


Now ok, I learnt to give up moaning about mod deletions years ago..

But today's censorship has just pissed me off...
That was time wasted on a weekend, I could have been doing something more useful with the mrs...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 01:44 PM

Seconded, Dave.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 01:44 PM

Walkabout

All nations sitting around a United Nations table is surely the best possible way

I agree wholeheartedly but while the big 5 have the UN by the short and curlies it can never work. Absolutely FA to do with the topic though and a good example of how the trolls can derail a discussion.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 01:32 PM

I disagree, PFR. There are robust disagreements and antagonistic banter and then again there is out and out trolling. The moderation team know the difference and do a stalwart job of eliminating the latter. Let's make their job easier by not responding to the trolls eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 01:20 PM

...and I also question the argument of some Remainers that we need the EU to counter American influence: as I suggested in this poem - "There Is A UN" - it could not get much worse in terms of the US acting like the UN, and the BBC and other media here going along with that...who is the Leader of the UN just now..?