BS: Conservative Leadership Contest

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 23 Jul 19 - 07:38 AM

And in the words of Jesse Winchester, now that he's there he will find out - "nobody told me about this part" actually being PM is a far cry from just wanting to be PM!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Jul 19 - 07:31 AM

Funny the tory obsession with demonising one frail looking old man.

It's almost as if some of them actually forget there are many thousands of other very diverse folks in the Labour party,
not just him...

..reminder/hint.. It's not called the "Jeremy Corbyn Party"...

Are your lot called the "Boris the Buffoon Party"...???

Though, sadly that's how the rest of the world will now regard the entire UK...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 23 Jul 19 - 07:28 AM

There is no such thing as a ‘Brexit that works for the whole UK’. Brexit is about one thing, and one thing only - enabling a tiny cadre of immensely wealthy, largely non-dom, partly non-British individuals to continue their tax-avoidance rackets without scrutiny under the new EU anti-tax-avoidance regulations. They give not one jot how it will affect the rest of us and, as always, it will be us picking up the bill.

You, like the other Tory-servants and BrexShitter nut-jobs on here and elsewhere have been well and truly had.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 23 Jul 19 - 07:22 AM

And what pray has happened to hackney abbott???

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 23 Jul 19 - 07:20 AM

Many congratulations to @BorisJohnson on being elected leader of Conservatives - we now need to work together to deliver a Brexit that works for the whole UK and to keep Jeremy Corbyn out of government.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 23 Jul 19 - 07:16 AM

The Blond Buffoon got it, as expected. Anyone fancy running a book on how long he’ll last?

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Jul 19 - 06:50 AM

We could either say....

a] The tories have always had the most gay MPs,
whilst being at the same time the most homophobic of all UK major parties.

or..

b] Is it a plausible possibility the tories have always had the most gay MPs,
whilst being at the same time the most homophobic of all UK major parties ?

spot the difference...???

At least one mudcatter here, persistently willfully states opinions and wildly untrue accusations as fact...
Why...??

Because it works so effectively for role models such as Donald and Boris...???

The rest of us here take more care never to do this,
having more respect for objective reality, truth, and the intelligence of the mudcat community.

Though on ocasions it may be fun and justified to resort to such blatantly dishonest cynical tactics,
when fighting fire with fire.
As long as it is done tongue in cheek for a laugh;
and there is more than a grain of truth in such widely sweeping statements of opinion as fact...

Ie.. the tories have always been a secretively closeted very gay party,
and make it as difficult as possible for their members to come out in public...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Jul 19 - 06:48 AM

The Tory chap on Newsnight last night parroted out five or six times that Johnson, if and when in post, will "have a mandate" to see brexit through. He forgot to mention that the "mandate" will be provided by a few tens of thousands of mostly white mostly rich mostly men. Or that he will be in charge of a party that failed to achieve an overall majority last time out. I don't suppose we'll notice his premiership being informed by the humility that those uncomfortable facts should provoke.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Jul 19 - 05:35 AM

Gender issues have no place here
It is of little surprise that homophobia is one of the badges of identification of this troll
Ae the Mods asleep at their post ?
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Iains
Date: 23 Jul 19 - 05:25 AM

In deference to Mr Duncan's wishes I will call James Dunseath his civil partner rather than husband. (Elton John has no such problem with his husband John Furnish)
"Alan Duncan does not like using the language of marriage to describe his forthcoming civil partnership ceremony. For example, he makes clear that he is 'committed" to his partner, James Dunseath, rather than 'engaged" to him.

"This is not a 'wedding'," he says. "You really just go into the register office and sign. There will be no Elton John-style stuff: no white suits, no John Inman, no flouncing about."
He reserved his flouncing of his pampered pompadour to Parliamentary occasions no doubt.

Judging by the way some here jump allover the non distinction between partner and husband, I get the impression some here are uncomfortable with same sex partnerships, they are homophobic in fact.
I have no such qualms. A person's sexuality is something that is as much a part of them as their skin colour or eye colour and equally as outside of their control. To put it bluntly, they are born with it. Until society is more accepting gays have enough problems to contend without a minority here making an issue of it. You should be ashamed.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: DMcG
Date: 23 Jul 19 - 04:26 AM

Getting back to the leadership: Alan Duncan's request for an emergency confidence vote to determine whether the chosen leader is acceptable is interesting. Granted, it is without precident and probably mischievous. But there is still a case for it. When someone is leader of a party and that party is then elected the public and hence the house can be assumed to back that leader in some general sense. That is not there when a party leader changes during a sitting. So there is a reasonable case for a confirmatory vote. When a party has a clear majority in the house that would be symbolic rather than of practical significance, but when the party has a thin majority or is a minority, it is be no means so clear. Certainly it would be a boost for the new leader if they had the backing of the house as PM not just their own party as party leader.

So the debate won't happen, but I think there is a good case that it should always happen on a change of leader mid session.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Jul 19 - 04:02 AM

"Even for you Iains, thats a low post."
A level that will continue while people respond to his string-jerking
He has little else to offer - certainly not intelligent argument
It takes a special level of mindset to be gleeful over a crumbling administration at a time when the country needs leadership and it looks like the patients look like taking over the asylum
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 23 Jul 19 - 03:28 AM

Even for you Iains, thats a low post.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Raggytash
Date: 22 Jul 19 - 05:23 PM

What a surprise. Homophobia to add to the list.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Iains
Date: 22 Jul 19 - 01:57 PM

a right singer...???

that'll probably be Morrisey...

Well it sure as hell will not be Bono!

Meanwhile the swamp is draining. The posturing pompadored popinjay Duncan has resigned. Remarkably, Duncan wanted Bercow to hold an emergency debate on the “merits of the newly chosen Leader of the Conservative Party” and whether he can form a Government.
Strange behaviour to resign as foreign minister in the middle of one of the biggest British foreign policy crises in recent times. No doubt his husband will console him.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Jul 19 - 12:32 PM

I had not read it before DMcG but that speech sums up his plans and leadership skills perfectly :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: DMcG
Date: 22 Jul 19 - 11:52 AM

The Hunting of the Snark, of course.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 22 Jul 19 - 11:49 AM

a right singer...???

that'll probably be Morrisey...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: DMcG
Date: 22 Jul 19 - 11:49 AM

Boris and the Brexiteers (great name for a 1950s group, I think) seem to me to be inspired by "The Bellman's speech in "The haunting of the Snark".

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Jul 19 - 11:44 AM

Has everyone given up on who will captain the sinking ship SS Brexit then? I would have thought our resident right singers at least would show a bit of intetest!

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 14 Jul 19 - 12:53 PM

Pie

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 14 Jul 19 - 12:50 PM

Easy solution, put a good half an hour aside
and enjoy working your way through his most recent videos..

The best laugh, and the most sound sense on UK politics at the moment...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: peteglasgow
Date: 14 Jul 19 - 12:32 PM

thanks for that, Jim - but it isn't the film i was on about. a more recent one focuses on just BJ and Hunt.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Jul 19 - 10:41 AM

HE'S VERY GOOD PETER
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: peteglasgow
Date: 14 Jul 19 - 03:33 AM

i just watched a commentary on the tory leadership contest by jonathan pie on facebook. splendid and splendidly angry. apologies, i lack the competence to provide a link here and ask if anyone else could...cheers

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Jul 19 - 03:13 AM

There are plenty of blogs and bloggers. Here's one about Staines which I suspect certain people will not like. Even though it is all true ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 13 Jul 19 - 05:58 PM

Raggy - I long ago read up on enough about him to form a considered objective opinion on that blog and it's fans...

It's the most visible tip of a very nasty fermenting dung heap...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Raggytash
Date: 13 Jul 19 - 05:02 PM

Punkfolkrocker, Fawkes deals entirely in soundbites and gosssip.

He is careful however to say so little that it would be difficult to nail any of salicious gossip as libelous.

It should be remembered that he is only a blogger. One that appeals to people who seem incapable of forming their own considered stance based on all information available.

Quell surprise!

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Jul 19 - 04:11 PM

"Oakeshott is suing the Guardian for defamation of character"

What character?

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Jul 19 - 02:23 PM

THE CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES OF AARON BANKS

The police are now considering making whistle-blowing such as that concerning teh Ambassador a criminal offence
Soon we'll be as FREE AS AMERICA
"Orwellian" as our own Tommy Robinsonite would say
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Jul 19 - 01:07 PM

...and a bit of Shania Twain but I'm not saying which bit

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Jul 19 - 01:00 PM

Oh, and my van contained John Rhys-Davies, Karl Malden and Groucho Marx :-D

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Jul 19 - 12:54 PM

Aye. I think there are server problems but I knew what you meant so I'll not bother reposting

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 13 Jul 19 - 12:32 PM

DtG's matey banter post, that I just replied to, enquiring what I look like,
has been suddenly disappeared...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 13 Jul 19 - 12:28 PM

DtG - imagine Johnny Depp, Jim Morrison, Tony Curtis, Vinnie Jones, Sid James,
at least two famous boy bands, a grizzly bear, and a male Thunderbirds puppet,
were crammed in the back of a small van that was suddenly hit by a high speed train...

After the result was scooped up and bagged, and specialists tried to reconstruct at least one complete face..

That might be what I look like..???

Of course I'm being modest...

But there was no more room in the van for Brad Pitt, Clark Gable, and Kirk Douglas, and Cary Grant...

..and Yul Brynner was too busy at the time getting his head waxed...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Jul 19 - 06:14 PM

do what...???

I've just googled her photos.. nah.. looks too Aryan master-racey for my tastes...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Raggytash
Date: 12 Jul 19 - 06:13 PM

Once again Iains ............

You fail to use quotation marks. Are they your words (somehow doubt it) or are they the words of someone else.

If, as it appears, they are the words of someone else you fail to name the person or your source.

It is VERY easy to take a part of a speech and bend it to your own agenda ............ and I have to say I won't put that past you.


................. upon reflection I doubt if you ........

Nough said!!

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Jul 19 - 05:38 PM

All I'll say is that I wouldn't climb over you to get at Isobel Oakeshott, pfr...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Jul 19 - 04:44 PM

.. but only a right **** would say that...


ie.. my arguments are flimsy and rubbish, folks can see right through them, and me..
So I'll strike back with smug textbook definitions in as big a quote as I can,
in the hope it'll make me look much cleverer than them......
Then they'll be the biggest losers, not me...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 12 Jul 19 - 04:40 PM

Could you express that in a form I can understand Iains. I really haven't a clue what you are talking about.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 12 Jul 19 - 03:47 PM

If the Guardian hired Oakeshott I would stop even reading their website. Its annoying enough when the publish columns from John Bolton and Mahmoud Ahmadinijad, but Oakeshott would be a step too far.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Jul 19 - 03:14 PM

Iains - must be the tories hogging the cage and brazenly playing with themselves,
whilst lobbing their poo out
at anyone else at risk of getting too near...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Iains
Date: 12 Jul 19 - 02:49 PM

Democracy is the art and science of running the circus from the monkey cage. H. L. Mencken
Labour is still trying to find a way in!

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Jul 19 - 02:18 PM

I've just realised that the thread would be more aptly titled "Conservative leadership circus". Full of clowns and political acrobats. Shame no one will put their heads in a lion's mouth.

Oh, hang on, didn't Cameron put part of his anatomy in an animals mouth? Maybe he should be reconsidered...

:D

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Iains
Date: 12 Jul 19 - 02:11 PM

The obnoxious Oakeshott should be dispatched immediately to a bloody vivisectionist.

She published a story that any journalist would have drooled over. Had the government caught wind of it they would have slapped a "D" notice on it faster than you could say Tommy Robinson. She was the political editor of The Sunday Times for a period.

I wonder if you would have the same faux outrage had the Guardian broken the story?

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Jul 19 - 05:50 PM

The obnoxious Oakeshott should be dispatched immediately to a bloody vivisectionist.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 10 Jul 19 - 02:31 PM

Jeeeeeee-zus! The last thing I’d want is to be locked in a room, darkened or otherwise, with that foul harridan!

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 10 Jul 19 - 02:21 PM

Johnson has shown that he is totally unfit to be appointed as Prime Minister, and hopefully May, as a small way perhaps of repairing her legacy, will advise the Queen accordingly. Meanwhile the traitor who leaked the ambassador's confidential comments needs to be identified, and banged up or more. Isabel Oakeshott presumably knows, so the first step should be to put her in a darkened room with half a dozen burly WPCs, and ask her nicely to name the miscreant.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 10 Jul 19 - 01:50 PM

This is the piece of work who will almost certainly be our next PM.

What a talentless, charmless, graceless, useless twat. The Tory party will get what they deserve.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 09 Jul 19 - 01:33 PM

I will direct my colleague to the answer previously given.