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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: punkfolkrocker Date: 08 Mar 20 - 12:27 PM Nigel - you're always a bit too literal minded when it comes to sarcasm and any form of irony based humour.. But we are used to it by now... Steve - You gotta remember it's how other more moderate fence sitting ordinary folks observe and interpret us 'loony lefties' behaving, that will influence how much they are willing to take us seriously enough to eventually agree with our progressive ideas for a more positive future... We must not constantly conform to the negative stereotypes of us that boris and dom's lot have polluted voter's minds with... That's my humble opinion.. for what it's worth... Anyway better news.. Sumo is on and starts very soon at 4.30 on NHK channel 507 on Sky, but an empty arena , no audience.. that'll be weird... Also, BBC news headline, "Tesco to ration some essentials"... |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Steve Shaw Date: 08 Mar 20 - 12:27 PM Obsessive use of soap will do more harm than good. If you kill off your natural skin flora with anti-bac soap you are leaving yourself open to pathogens arriving on your skin that no longer have competitors. Not only that, you are favouring any resistant mutations that will multiply and which your soap can't kill. I'll carry on with our normal Carex Sensitive whilst singing Happy Birthday, and never fail to use hand sanitizer when I've been touching supermarket trolleys and before I grab the steering wheel. A little bottle of that lasts me for ages. As for viruses, soapy water loosens the dirt and grease on your skin and the viruses go down the plug hole. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Mossback Date: 08 Mar 20 - 12:16 PM Dawn anti-bacterial soap / Triclosan or Benzethalconium chloride.......vodka, washing up liquid ans water........Dettol / Chloroxylenol........ Knock yourselves out, but none of these are virucides. (Dettol will kill your cats, tho.) If there are indeed any readily available virucidal soaps FDA / CDC / MHRA approved I'd be interested to hear about them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Nigel Parsons Date: 08 Mar 20 - 12:10 PM pfr: But look on the bright side.. Elderly life-long real racists will die in the coming months..... John Donne Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bells tolls; it tolls for thee. I prefer the John Donne quote. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Steve Shaw Date: 08 Mar 20 - 12:08 PM Be fair, pfr. I didn't kneejerk-accuse anyone of racism. My response to the post in question started with this: "...had an Asian appearance." Maybe I'm being a bit thick, but what's the significance of this? Later on I followed up by asking for a reason for making the distinction that the mask-wearer was of Asian appearance. You couldn't glean a reason from the post, so I asked for one. I haven't accused anyone of being racist at all, and the matter has now been explained. OK? |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: punkfolkrocker Date: 08 Mar 20 - 11:49 AM We watch 45 hours of sumo wrestling beamed from Japan each year. By now it is no longer a novelty seeing their social norm of wearing surgical masks in public.. Many westerners are not so used to this, and can make clumsy poorly considered remarks when first noticing it. But, in the greater context of this developing 'pandemic' crisis, knee jerk accusations of racism are somewhat self indulgent, and do create distracting unhelpful antagonisms... .. and we still don't know for certain if the March sumo tournament is still going ahead...??? But look on the bright side.. Elderly life-long real racists will die in the coming months..... |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Stanron Date: 08 Mar 20 - 11:24 AM I was intrigued to hear that people were clearing shelves of Hand sanitiser. I had previously refilled a 100 ml 'Lens Cleaner' spray with a mixture of vodka, washing up liquid ans water. Quite successful it was too. So I got a 300 ml 'Garden Hand Spray' off Ebay, about 1/3 full of vodka, a couple of good glugs of washing up liquid, a cap full of Dettol (kills 99% of germs) and topped it up with water. It cleans my hands very well. Even if it doesn't kill the virus I can still drink the rest of the vodka. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: gillymor Date: 08 Mar 20 - 10:55 AM I've been using Dawn anti-bacterial soap, the same one we do the dishes with, for more than a decade and haven't had a common cold or the flu in that time. It's important to take your time, be thorough and especially to get up under your fingernails. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Stilly River Sage Date: 08 Mar 20 - 10:36 AM This would work. Texas Coronavirus Prevention Wash your hands like you just got done slicing jalapeños for a batch of nachos and you need to take your contacts out. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Iains Date: 08 Mar 20 - 10:06 AM As of 9am on 8 March 2020, 23,513 people have been tested in the UK, of which 23,240 were confirmed negative and 273 were confirmed as positive. Two patients who tested positive for COVID-19 have died. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Jack Campin Date: 08 Mar 20 - 10:01 AM The remark about Asian appearance was a gratuitous inclusion in the post. No, it was a relevant caveat. East Asian folks (at least the ones who visit the West as tourists) have a far lower threshold of infection risk perception than others. So seeing a bunch of them sightseeing in masks isn't a sign of general mass panic. Seeing the same number of Indians, Arabs, Germans or gammons in masks would suggest that. I've seen hundreds of East Asians in masks in Edinburgh and Midlothian in the last couple of weeks, and nobody else at all doing it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Stilly River Sage Date: 08 Mar 20 - 09:48 AM Anti-viral soap is more drying and is more of a problem that good old-fashioned soap. I never use it if I can help it. Dry cracked hands from too much washing can be a problem also. Use a moisturizer. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Donuel Date: 08 Mar 20 - 09:41 AM As of Friday Dulles airport were doing no fever screenings. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Donuel Date: 08 Mar 20 - 09:21 AM I am glad that racism is at a minumum here. In a pandemic its moot anyway. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Iains Date: 08 Mar 20 - 09:13 AM https://qz.com/299003/a-quick-history-of-why-asians-wear-surgical-masks-in-public/ Which woke will wake first? |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: gillymor Date: 08 Mar 20 - 08:23 AM In my local YMCA gym yesterday, where attendance is about half of what it was 2 weeks ago, there were 2 people there wearing masks and they were both either Asian or Asian-American. Make of that what you will. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Steve Shaw Date: 08 Mar 20 - 07:50 AM The remark about Asian appearance was a gratuitous inclusion in the post. You should have removed it before posting. Yes, you explained yourself later. Had no-one picked up on your remark, you wouldn't have done that. It behoves us all to review what we've typed before sending it to this forum. No more from me on this. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Donuel Date: 08 Mar 20 - 07:50 AM Random new rules: The CPAC rally for Trump and Pence, in attendence, had a Corona virus carrier. A old age home in town is on lock down after an infected guest visited. People who fear these nursing homes like petri dishes for virus have a point. They want to be with loved ones as expressed on npr. Starbucks do not fill reuseable cups anymore. No Pope masses or appearances. NY govenor makes official a health emergency The Covid 19 is officially in town here. local churches have our new rules. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Mr Red Date: 08 Mar 20 - 06:53 AM Last night at Stroud Ceilidhs the caller Fee Lock asked us to put a notice to the effect "wash hands before dancing" - so moving into high gear I put out surgical spirits in a spray bottle, anti-bac soap in a dispenser and foam anti-bac dispenser. And 4 notices. The venue were asked to fill the soap dispensers in the loos a day before, and we are not over-impressed by the venue who didn't seem to respond, and even asked very pointed questions implying a poor choice of my personal, hard found, best 3 compromises. "Is it anti-viral?" In an environment of specific shortages of anything appropriate. Attitudes to intelligent precautions, such as they were, when the venue can't even attend fairly basic health requirements. It doesn't auger well. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Mr Red Date: 08 Mar 20 - 05:36 AM All this talk of racism, about something that was principally about religion. There is a natural discomfort with people who cover their faces. Criminals and IRA style terrorists eg. And there is a natural aversion to the subjugation of women in a society that has attempted to embrace equality. We have, perforce, had to accept face masks so that may dilute the perception of hidden faces. But it is not all plus! As is clear from an arrogant minority of peeps in this parish, lack of non-verbal communication causes poor comprehension and poor communications. The face is our principal conduit, you can't even use emoticons behind a mask. (:-!) |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Jack Campin Date: 08 Mar 20 - 05:30 AM The sort of hospital care needed |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Senoufou Date: 08 Mar 20 - 05:24 AM I woke up this morning and immediately thought, "You silly old woman! It was bitter aloes not alum!" Senile dementia sets in! |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Jack Campin Date: 08 Mar 20 - 05:16 AM Alum does taste foul, but aloes is more likely the substance intended. I presume it's related to aloe vera but I've knly encountered it in literature (referencing the Bible?). |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Iains Date: 08 Mar 20 - 04:42 AM The post of 07 Mar 20 - 05:17 PM must have originated in the argument room. Fortunately no one took the bait, |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Helen Date: 07 Mar 20 - 10:46 PM As I said earlier: "I was thinking more of the totally unfounded racism which some people have been displaying towards Asian people since the COVID19 scare started." This pandemic is bringing out the worst behaviour in a lot of people. People who make assumptions about other people and then act on those assumptions without checking their facts. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: mg Date: 07 Mar 20 - 08:56 PM it had apparently had foundation work done prior to using for quarantine. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: keberoxu Date: 07 Mar 20 - 08:12 PM ... no-one speaking of the collapse of a hotel used for quarantine. I looked it up enough to see that the hotel existed before the pandemic, this place was not hurriedly built to accommodate the contaminated. What horrifying photographs as well. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Steve Shaw Date: 07 Mar 20 - 07:52 PM Well, Jeri, in your culture such remarks might not raise hackles. This end, we really do want to know why anyone would raise the ethnicity of someone wearing a face mask against Coronavirus. To us, it's just a PERSON wearing a mask. If there's a point to be made about a person "of Asian appearance" wearing a mask, well let's be having your reason for making that distinction. If you can't, well it does make you sound, well, a bit racist... |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Jeri Date: 07 Mar 20 - 07:30 PM You assume she was talking about race, as in biological race. She may have been, but I assumed it was cultural. Things you learn from your family and people in your community. In my opinion, there is oo much here of looking for the worst possible meanings in what people say, so there is some lame excuse to feel superior and lay into them. At the very least, ASK them if that's what they mean. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Steve Shaw Date: 07 Mar 20 - 07:19 PM It's a very good idea to not get alum in your mouth. As a grownup you really shouldn't need toxic chemical reminders. The 06.01 PM post is a risible attempt to backtrack on what was a gratuitously-pointless remark as to the ethnicity of the people the post referred to. The remark could just as easily have been made, with the same force, without that reference. I'm sorry to have to say this, but when I was in Western Australia I came across this attitude routinely, much as I loved the people there. References to ethnicity other than to white settlers and their descendants were routinely in the vein "I'm not a racist, and this is these people's country, but..." |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Jack Campin Date: 07 Mar 20 - 07:08 PM I have just been reading an Italian FB thread from someone in Modena, on the edge of the shut-off zone. They are monumentally pissed off. Everybody in charge seems to have buggered off to their holiday homes as far away from the problem as possible. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Senoufou Date: 07 Mar 20 - 06:59 PM Ah! Have you tried tasting it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Helen Date: 07 Mar 20 - 06:54 PM That's funny, mg. Let's do it! Senoufou, coincidentally I just recently bought some alum because I want to take up natural dyeing of wool again. I used to do it about 30 years ago. Alum is a mordant for the wool to fix the dye from the plants. Most were fairly muted but some of the colours were amazing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Senoufou Date: 07 Mar 20 - 06:22 PM Helen, I seem to remember my parents using something called alum to stop us sucking our thumbs. Very bitter-tasting. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Helen Date: 07 Mar 20 - 06:09 PM Well said, Jeri. Hmmm? "Cone of shame" to remind us not to touch our faces or eyes or suck our thumbs. What was that vile tasting but harmless stuff which old fashioned parents used to put on their kids' thumbs and/or dummies to wean them off the habit? I'll have to drag that bit of obscure info forward out of the dusty dungeons of my brain. However, aroma therapy may provide a useful solution. It doesn't have to be vile smelling. Just an aroma which becomes a reminder. When you smell it on your hands you will remind yourself not to touch your face or eyes, or suck your thumb - that is, if you are still enjoying that habit. My choice would be lavender. Not only could it help to retrain the brain, but it is supposed to have a calming effect. It might even help to prevent toilet roll envy and the accompanying overwhelming sense of panic. LOL |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: mg Date: 07 Mar 20 - 06:09 PM i will start a new thread about pestilential buzz flies so not to distract from this very important thread. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Helen Date: 07 Mar 20 - 06:01 PM Actually, I was thinking more of the totally unfounded racism which some people have been displaying towards Asian people since the COVID19 scare started. I was also wondering whether people of Asian appearance may be being subjected to pressure to wear a mask, wherever their ancestry is located, and regardless of whether they have had any contact at all with people who may have been exposed to infection. I was more concerned that the lady may have felt pressured by other people to wear a face mask. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Jeri Date: 07 Mar 20 - 05:57 PM Cultural thing. I remember it happened with SARS, and probably did before that. NPR said that people were swiping masks from hospitals, where they're NEEDED, so they've ordered new ones, which are on backorder, and who-knows-when they'll come in. Me, I figure I'm technically elderly, but I'm in good health, with an effective immune system. We really need some type of "cone of shame" to remind us not to stick our fingers in our eyes or noses, or suck our thumbs. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Donuel Date: 07 Mar 20 - 05:48 PM As for fear it is our most primitive and deep seated emotion that has evolved the least to respond to danger. It gets exaggerated easily. Expect to be lied to. The world has 'elected' the biggest liars. Expect to survive. Biological inertia is amazing. Expect to be nervous. We tend to think in possibilities not probabilities. Expect lots of BS From people who do not know what to expect. Expect people to do anything to survive, stupidly. Even toilet paper fights |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Backwoodsman Date: 07 Mar 20 - 05:43 PM Very common to see - especially Japanese people. Every time I’m in London, I’m struck by the number of (apparently) Japanese wearing surgical masks, been that way for many years. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Jack Campin Date: 07 Mar 20 - 05:31 PM Nigel is right. Almost all the people I see wearing masks in Edinburgh are East Asian. It's been that way for 20 years. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Donuel Date: 07 Mar 20 - 05:22 PM Beijing residents wear masks usually due to the pollution alone. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Steve Shaw Date: 07 Mar 20 - 05:17 PM Do enlarge on your theory, Nigel. Careful now... |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Joe Offer Date: 07 Mar 20 - 05:05 PM This week, I've been hearing talk of cancelling singing sessions because of coronavirus. Tonight's chantey sing in San Francisco has been cancelled because of staff illnesses, but apparently not because of coronavirus. -Joe- Here's the announcement from Chanteyranger:
Because of temporary park staff shortages due to illness, this Saturday’s March 7 chantey sing is cancelled. Be safe, everyone, and see you at the April 4th chantey sing, if you would like to reserve for that one. I will be back at this desk on Wednesday, March 11 and will respond to messages after then. Sorry to bring you this news. I know what a great community event the chantey sing is, and we look forward to being back with it in April. Thank you for your patience.
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Nigel Parsons Date: 07 Mar 20 - 04:13 PM "...had an Asian appearance." Maybe I'm being a bit thick, but what's the significance of this? There does appear to be a preponderance of pictures of people wearing facemasks where the people are of Asian extraction. Maybe they react differently to these types of situations. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Jack Campin Date: 07 Mar 20 - 04:05 PM Coronavirus porn My wife was on a train from the Borders this morning which was mostly full of rugby types on their way to the big Six Nations match. Most of them drinking Corona. This feels like Poe's The Masque of the Red Death. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Donuel Date: 07 Mar 20 - 03:29 PM A former Scot? That says alot That means you got to cross the river Thats why you prove You're as good as another. when you're more independant all together |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Senoufou Date: 07 Mar 20 - 03:28 PM Heh heh pfr and Steve!! There's lots of moss in our lawn after all that rain, so maybe a handful of that would serve? I believe cavemen used that. We saw a Muslim family in Asda today, and the two women were wearing burkas. We 'as-salaam aleikumed' them, and it struck me that a burka would be quite a good way of keeping germs away. Also, since I've had to have four lower front teeth out, my ever-uglier face would be conveniently hidden from view! |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: punkfolkrocker Date: 07 Mar 20 - 03:26 PM Are bidet sales up just now...??? |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Steve Shaw Date: 07 Mar 20 - 03:21 PM There's always the grassy slope...Just check for thistles and don't use the same bit more than once a fortnight... You might laugh, but I speak from the experience of spartan living in northern Scotland... |