BS: KISS keep it simple

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Aug 23 - 04:11 PM

misanthropic socialpaths in charge vs. you

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Aug 23 - 03:13 PM

Men are fountains, women are Wells.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 01 Aug 23 - 05:38 AM

Nah, that's where they dredge up mercury from.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Jul 23 - 09:36 PM

Who really invented the atomic bomb?
H.G. Wells ?

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Jul 23 - 07:58 AM

If you really want to go there...

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Jul 23 - 02:37 AM

I used to play euphemism in a brass band

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Jul 23 - 07:17 PM

It's my instrument of choice, after the harmonica.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Jul 23 - 06:48 PM

I used to play polyominos in the pub

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 29 Jul 23 - 05:39 PM

> I don't fully believe anything in the Scientific Ametican

Not even the polyominos?

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Jul 23 - 10:15 AM

I think that by free thought, Dave, he actually means playing fast and loose with the truth.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Jul 23 - 09:08 AM

The source is not important, Don. You said, quite clearly, "Today a 46,000 year old frozen Nemotode came back to life". A number of sources, including Scientific American, have proved this to be untrue in many ways including the fact that it did not happen yesterday and they cannot confirm that the Nemotodes were 46000 years old. If you insist on stating these things as true and they are not you must expect people to a) question you and b) disbelieve any future statements. There is nothing simple about giving people lies and half-truths. It clouds the issue.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: gillymor
Date: 29 Jul 23 - 08:48 AM

Let me help-

From: Donuel - PM
Date: 22 Jul 23 - 11:03 AM

The word for energy in Icelandic is Orca.

From the Climeworks article-

4. "Orka" is the Icelandic word for energy

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Jul 23 - 08:19 AM

orca or orka

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Jul 23 - 08:16 AM

At least the subject of ethics and science is an important issue and not nonsense.
I find it sad that Scientific American was not even my source or that 'I hate Brits' is a typical outrageous Steve Shaw lie meant to incite hate. KISS is not about hate.
The person who wants to enforce conformity and rails against free thought is not a friend of society or science.
I suppose liking eggs is as simple as it gets.

The unsinkable Titanic went down by the head, broke its keel, and rusts in the dark.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Jul 23 - 07:04 AM

Well I'm with you there, especially on the eggs (I had mine scrambled this morning on a couple of slices of Morrisons ciabatta, with real butter of course). Science and technology are sometimes pursued by going down dangerous alleys, but in general the harm done comes when otherwise good science is exploited for political or capitalist gain. It's tempting to blame scientists for making advances that might lead to harm, but there's a conundrum in that somewhere...

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Jul 23 - 04:22 AM

I just had a profound thought while eating my eggs. With wholemeal toast and real butter of course :-) The universe, the world, us, animals, plants and everything around us (including eggs) are marvellous things. I don't need to know how the egg got there to enjoy it any more than I need to know how the universe got there. Yes, shit happens but so does beauty. Knowing things can be good of course and scientific knowledge is far better than putting it all down to a mysterious bloke with a long beard in the sky. Science has given us great benefits but the misuse of it has also given us climate change, the depletion of earth's resources and, going back to Oppenheimer, nuclear weapons. It is almost like seeing the harm that religion has done mirrored in technology.

Don't get me wrong here. I believe that science and technology will eventually fix the things they got wrong. In the meantime I shall continue to enjoy the night sky, sunsets, flowers, people's company, animals, music and eggs :-) I enjoy learning and discovering but feel sorry for those who have to have answers before they can appreciate anything. To quote from my favourite poem

If you can dream and not make dreams your master
If you can think and not make thoughts your aim

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Jul 23 - 04:21 AM

Sadly, Dave, like most other popular science mags it keeps things simplistic rather than simple. The nuts and bolts of scientific research are frequently a real slog, so the mags are obliged to cherrypick out the juicy bits of the juiciest stories that might grab headlines for them. There's no other way for them to sell copies.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Jul 23 - 03:27 AM

I don't fully believe anything in the Scientific Ametican, Steve, although it does, unlike Don, keep it simple :-). I was just pointing out that Don's statement differs from his favourite source. Seems that the Nemotode did not come 'back to life' yesterday but this stems from research going back to 2018. Not only that but they are unsure if the 'worms' were that old or if they were surface contaminates. He did the age old trick of spouting the headline without going into the detail. The results of the study were published on July the 27th though so I suppose he got one thing right!

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 29 Jul 23 - 02:40 AM

Aaaahh! Not at all what I was thinking!
Thanks for the invitation Steve, which I feel compelled to decline - I prefer to follow my own frequent advice and ignore the troll…

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Jul 23 - 08:19 PM

Incidentally, immediately suspect any source (including Scientific American) that refers to Panagrolaimus kolymaensis as a "worm." It's unrelated to the annelids we refer to as worms and to call it a worm is highly misleading. It's a roundworm if you like, but "nematode" would be even better. Accurate communication is the watchword in science, and calling it (correctly) a roundworm as opposed to a worm (incorrectly) is hardly condescending or dumbing-down.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Jul 23 - 05:54 PM

It's Dave, Raggytash and me, John. If you agree to join us (fee-free) we can call ourselves the Fab Four! Donuel hates us Brits, but the real Fab Four conquered his country and now the yanks love 'em. We could end up the same!

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Jul 23 - 05:28 PM

Careful what you believe about stuff in popular science mags such as Scientific American, Dave. Real science doesn't need that mag but that mag needs people to buy it, and it does it by getting all dramatic about cherrypicked issues. I don't watch Panorama for the same reason. :-)

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Jul 23 - 05:21 PM

Hmmmmm!

But who are ‘the Titanic trio’?

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Jul 23 - 05:10 PM

Don's statement
Today a 46,000 year old frozen Nemotode came back to life.

The actual facts from Scentific American
In 2018 scientists announced they had discovered and revived two types of microscopic nematodes found in the Siberian permafrost, estimating they may have been 42,000 years old. Now these roundworms are the subject of more research, which posits that one of these nematode varieties represents a new species, dubbed Panagrolaimus kolymaensis for the Kolyma River where they were found. The new research, published on July 27 in the journal PLOS Genetics, also compares the Siberian worm’s survival mechanism with one found in another nematode species, Caenorhabditis elegans—a model organism used in laboratories around the world. The researchers further claim that the P. kolymaensis worms are actually 46,000 years old, based on their dating of plant matter found with these nematodes.

Need I say more?

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Jul 23 - 04:34 PM

Who are ‘the Titanic trio’?

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Jul 23 - 03:44 PM

You could have made a better shot at plagiarising gillymor's moniker. After all, you are an expert.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Jul 23 - 02:40 PM

Quoting a source and link is not plagiarism. I suspect you do not know the meaning of the word. We stand on the shoulders of previous explorers. It's like saying Gillymore has plagiarized the English language.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Jul 23 - 02:32 PM

The quantum universe and the human brain have demonstrated that reality goes beyond logic and sophism. Somehow you missed that crumb.
Perhaps you should begin with Gaia studies. It takes time to get up to speed.
BANG- Dave the Gnome and all his spidey friends are struck by electricity. Miracles have happened. Today a 46,000 year old frozen Nemotode came back to life. I bet you could too even at your age.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: gillymor
Date: 28 Jul 23 - 02:26 PM

And respect the ideas of others rather than try to pass them off as your own without attribution.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Jul 23 - 02:17 PM

With a Theory that has been validated and has shown good predictive and explanatory power, one can try and extrapolate everywhere. After all, often in science, the most we can do is to draw our best inferences about unknown instances based on a theory that works well in many known instances. And that is much better than making arbitrary claims or drawing no inference whatsoever like the Titanic trio who have only posted crap spam insults and scams.
Take the KISS challenge and try to find a single post from steve that is anything but denialism and lies.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: gillymor - PM
Date: 19 Mar 23 - 11:53 AM

You should put all your observations in one place for the benefit of the scientific community and all mankind.

-sarcastic yes but my posts are informative and are not flaming trollism. Average People can be anything they desire. Do not listen to detractors and status quo idiots. They are the disease virus of the world. Respect your own ideas because the example of the critical Titanic trio proves they have nothing to offer.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Jul 23 - 01:51 PM

We knew that, Geoff, but thanks anyway.

Don. "Oppy" probably couldn't give a shit for my views but, as a scientist, he would recognise that they are based in logic rather than fantasy. Yes, I know innovation needs imagination as well but, as I said before, your fantasies are beyond explanation.

Carry on digging by all means

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Jul 23 - 01:44 PM

One could google the 28 billion year old universe now that the Webb has sent us pictures of the earliest mature galaxies and SMBHs.
My simple but IMO better theory is more overlooked than Fritz Zwicky's theories. But time will tell.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Geoff Wallis
Date: 28 Jul 23 - 01:40 PM

Copied directly from this webpage without citation - Donuel's a plagiarist

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Jul 23 - 01:24 PM

Instead of just ordering people around, learn something yourself.

My DECADES old theory of the universe is that the early universe was so dense it behaved like a black hole and contained primordial black holes as well. As it expanded for 13 billion of years it thinned out enough for light to finally escape. NOTE: there is expansion but no inflation at FTL theory at work. The processes of the universe were able to function inside the early universe even though it was as if it were all inside a black hole.
We only see Time starting up 13.8 billion years ago because of the delay of mass holding back the escape of light until the universe had thinned out enough.
This theory works better than the 'tired light' theory.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Jul 23 - 12:46 PM

“Orka” is the Icelandic word for energy

Inspired by the power and strength of orcas, the Icelandic word for energy is “orka.” This word is particularly significant in Iceland as renewable energy accounts for more than 99% of the total energy consumption on the island – to put that in detail, 73% of electricity in Iceland is supplied by hydroelectric power plants and 26.8% by geothermal energy. When we decided to set up our direct air capture and storage facility in Iceland, this was a key consideration as we were determined to use 100% renewable energy for our operations. By choosing the name Orca, we committed ourselves to removing more CO2 from the air than we produce and connected our facility to the country in which it’s located.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Jul 23 - 12:36 PM

Do something nice yourself and post accurately, with care, and without half-truths.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Jul 23 - 12:31 PM

https://climeworks.com/blog-the-story-behind-our-orca-plant

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Jul 23 - 12:11 PM

Offset your bad behavior and do something nice for someone today.
Oppy gave advice regarding people like the trio but they do not hear or care.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: gillymor
Date: 28 Jul 23 - 09:25 AM

Hey, give the guy credit, he can misspell in at least two different languages.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Geoff Wallis
Date: 28 Jul 23 - 09:01 AM

Donuel wrote 'The word for energy in Icelandic is Orca.'

This is incorrect. The word for energy in Icelandic is orka.

English-Icelandic dictionary

The Icelandic word for the orca is háhyrningur.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Jul 23 - 08:16 AM

I did not expect understanding from the Titanic trio.

Well then Donuel. Keep it simple as the thread says. Or, more correctly, Keep It Simple Stupid. You know that there are at least 3 of us that have no idea what you are talking about. There are many more in the same boat and even more than that who do not care what you say or even read it. Does that not tell you that it must be you rather than everyone else? (Hint - refer to your post of 26 Jul 23 - 12:06 PM and use Ocham's Razor.) What is more likely? You have a communication problem or everyone else does. Think about it.

I fully understand that Oppenheimer is considered to be the father of the Atom Bomb. If he is one of your heroes then that says a lot. I will probably watch the film. Christopher Nolan is one of my favourite directors and anything with Cillian Murphy and Robert Downey Junior in must be worth a watch. Iron Man meets Peaky Blinders? :-D

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Jul 23 - 07:18 AM

I did not expect understanding from the Titanic trio.
Nor do I expect them to understand Oppenheimer

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Jul 23 - 06:04 PM

In an idle and whimsical moment I did a bit of adding up until I got bored. I found that, of the last 200 posts to this thread, 101 were by Donuel. To put it as kindly as possible, there isn't actually a thread in this thread, if you see what I mean. It's all a bit random and disconnected really.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Raggytash
Date: 27 Jul 23 - 05:49 PM

It would seem that is the effect of pyschotic drugs.

I've had the misfortune through my life to meet several people who used such substances. Frequently they have been formerly intelligent people who have become utter bores.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 Jul 23 - 02:32 PM

Yes Donuel. Keeping it simple is all about making things understandable to anyone. So far, on this thread, no one is any wiser about your theories. Sorry but, as I said before, you are unable to simplify your more esoteric ramblings. At least this threads keeps them away from the general public :-D

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Jul 23 - 10:49 AM

The last third of this Edward R Murrow interview is excellent

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Jul 23 - 12:06 PM

WHY KEEP IT SIMPLE?

Genius ideas usually start with a very simple perspective.
Relative time by Einstien started by picturing a clock face from a beam of light racing away from the clock. Gravity insights began by the mind experiment of an accelerating elevator.

Occam's Razor is a good indicator of keeping it simple.
Complexities will follow but beginnings are best kept simple.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Jul 23 - 11:12 AM

Of course, there are people who believe half of what I am saying is possible. https://cosmosmagazine.com/space/astrophysics/universe-27-billion-years-old/#:~:text=By%20Evrim%20Yazgin,Bang%2013.8%20billion%2

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Jul 23 - 07:32 PM

For my take that there is no inflation theory in reality the UNIVERSE WILL HAVE TO BE OLDER. How much older is a problem. At what density would the mass of the Universe have to be for how long before light could escape? If mass can not be created or destroyed the problem is easier than if matter were being created at the same time.
the Universe could be twice as old as we believed.

30 years ago we thought the Universe was 20 billion years old. With microwave background radiation, we made it 13.8 billion. Now the Webb shows the earliest galaxy as well formed as the Milky Way which is 13.6 billion years old. My bet is on 28 billion years.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Jul 23 - 06:17 PM

Chat GBT responses only...