BS: KISS keep it simple

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Feb 23 - 11:27 AM

Responsibility means not promoting illegal substances on a public website. I can't keep it much simpler than that.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 28 Feb 23 - 11:05 AM

> I prefer freedom.

Freedom includes the freedom to get it wrong, for unbounded values of "it". Responsibility is exercising the freedom to carry the can afterwards.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Feb 23 - 10:21 AM

I can't be the only one who noticed you are obsessive about control.
Its a good thing you are not in Big Pharma or the government.

Oregon has compromised and only allows legal ingestion of MM with the assistance of trained medical staff.

I prefer freedom.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Feb 23 - 09:52 AM

Besides, if your Kingdom had not reformed laws you would have been executed for treason regarding any number of your posts. My ancestors were not cowards nor am I.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Feb 23 - 09:19 AM

Nixon was not the Pope and got some things wrong on his schedule 1 drug list.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Feb 23 - 09:04 AM

The fact is that you are advocating the use of a substance that in many administrations is illegal to possess and/or use.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Feb 23 - 06:27 AM

Novices could google 'How to Change Your Mind'.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Feb 23 - 06:23 AM

No, I just want to say that the only responsible approach to taking this as a medicine is after the active ingredient has been purified and trialled extensively in controlled doses. I'm all for it. That is the very opposite of what you persistently advocate, in your anarchic hippies-sixties style.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Feb 23 - 06:17 AM

I have never discussed dosage before however safe and effective amounts range from micro-dosing to heroic levels. I am in good company as an advocate,
All the studies you claim have not been done, have been done over the last 50 years.
It has been 30 years since my last encounter with magic mushrooms.
Perhaps you want to claim it is addictive.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Feb 23 - 05:57 AM

Excellent. That's good, safe science, the very opposite of "Eat these! I've seen how much good they've done for some of my mates!"

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Helen
Date: 27 Feb 23 - 09:31 PM

'Magic mushroom' trial in WA could be the key to treating depression

Virtual reality plus psychedelics are being trialled in therapy. Are they effective?

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Feb 23 - 08:34 PM

You seriously need to stop pushing magic mushrooms. Your incredibly slack and irresponsible approach to this is astounding. Consuming the actual fungi means that you have no idea of the quantity of active ingredient you're taking in: the fungi contain highly variable amounts of psilocybin, even within the same species, and consuming the mushrooms in uncontrolled and unmeasured quantities simply adds to the slapdash and risky nature of the approach. It would be unobjectionable to discuss clinical trials of purified extracts of the drug, but no, with you it's always the mushrooms you advocate. And that doesn't begin to address the legality or otherwise of the thing you're so keen to promote. Your observations of the effects are not derived from properly controlled, large-scale trials, which is the only correct and responsible way of researching such things. I wouldn't be so unscientific as to suggest that if you indulge as much as you advocate, it could explain quite a lot, so I won't.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Feb 23 - 07:13 PM

The unexamined life is not worth living. - Socrates

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Feb 23 - 07:03 PM

Of course medicine can shorten the process of mental health healing.
As I have said before magic mushrooms often aid with flexibility in thinking. The 'what if' experience is an indication of a more open mind.

It treats alcoholism, OCD, PTSD and as I have seen, far more beyond the scope of mere disorders. It is not without side effects, I have seen some people vomit. A good intent is also beneficial. It has a candy coating of being an overall pleasant and joyous experience unlike ayahuasca or other visionary experiences that are more disorienting.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Feb 23 - 05:50 PM

One hears about the needs of mental health but it has become obscenely difficult. Then the help available is often formulaic and within the confines of insurance limitations. If the experience is real human interaction you are probably on the right track.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Feb 23 - 02:09 PM

We are a rational species but emotions can trump logic and leave people swimming in a toxic soup of feelings and beliefs. One of the things I have seen the most is how people can be dragged down by their feelings in a feedback loop of destruction.

Breaking that cycle with a simple application of levity or good feelings was my job for more than a decade. It sounds simple but it is a cooperative experience and people are different.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Feb 23 - 01:49 PM

We all have a choice to nuture envy and the malevolent wrongs that were done to us but it leads to more destruction. Nurturing the positive like gratitude or humility leads to growth. How many different ways have you heard the same thing?

Envy writ large is malignant narcissism. The overwhelming majority of social destruction is carried out by narcissists not psychopaths. Another misconception is that narcissists don't care about other people. If anything they care too much in comparison to themselves.

These are not black or white issues but contain plenty of grey areas.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Feb 23 - 01:03 PM

One can see a Napolean complex in Putin as well as a loss of empire in his lifetime. His background is solely counterintelligence and belittling his perceived enemy. He will never admit to envy.
So you may also begin to see evil as a response to envy and feelings of poor self-worth.

A healthy feeling of self worth is a potential for achievement in thoughts and deeds. The mere conscious mind fooling itself with delusions of grandeur is unhealthy. The unhealthy expression of envy has been seen in the personalities of serial killers to politicians.
The other route to evil is the psychopath devoid of empathy.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Feb 23 - 12:52 PM

Keep digging.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Feb 23 - 12:42 PM

When Hitler was told in childhood he was not good enough and later Jewish art instructors and collectors told him he was not good enough he had to blame others and eventually carried out his evil based on envy and revenge.

This is a recurring theme with Trump and I suspect mass shooters.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Feb 23 - 12:36 PM

Small bits makes for better digestion.

The evil of a Trump or Hitler is from envy and a wish to bring others down to their level.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Feb 23 - 12:24 PM

Do you ever wonder why you can do 13 posts in a row with just one little interruption? I doubt whether you'd want to hear my theory...

Subject: RE: BS: Evil, keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Feb 23 - 12:07 PM

Bill D often points out the evil people can do based upon specious logic.
Even Hitler or Putin have done evil based on what they saw as beneficial to their own constituents or themselves.
But there is the more common everyday evil by average people based upon ignorance. In this sense I suppose the concept of we are all sinners is true. Original sin however is nonsense.
I believe it is an unintentional evil when people actually do not know or know the wrong things. These people are capable of redemption.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Feb 23 - 11:25 AM

Ergo I can not differentiate names on a site like this easily.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Feb 23 - 11:01 AM

I have given myself permission to dream about a subject and have experienced that subject in my dreams. Emergent knowledge of the complex comes in many forms. Part of that process is realizing the many things we can not know. For people who can not think in mental imagery must rely on language alone which seems like more of an imitation of reality than the mental picture of the subject. Of course the language alone person would see this differently. I often can see a clear picture of a person's face long before I can recall the name of that person. This would not be the experience of the language only person.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Feb 23 - 10:30 AM

Narcissism is not arrogance, it is the complete opposite of arrogance.
There is so much a feeling of incompetence and inadequacy in the self that the defensive structure around that becomes dominated by a rocket-fueled envy.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Feb 23 - 10:50 AM

So you can choose what to dream about? Hmm...

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Feb 23 - 09:52 AM

advice- Don't be afraid of the space between your dreams and reality.
If you can dream it - there is a better chance it can be done.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Feb 23 - 03:58 PM

Our models for the early universe are wrong according to JWT.
The Universe lit up much earlier than we thought.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Feb 23 - 09:10 AM

it seems others consider this postualtion

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Feb 23 - 09:01 AM

https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg12517084-200-the-power-of-negative-matter/

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Feb 23 - 08:56 AM

This morning while pondering dark energy accelerating the expansion of the universe I wondered if in the immense quantity of space, virtual particles that pop into existence could play a role if half of those particles are negative matter particles. Negative matter would repel matter.
Virtual particles are short-lived but at any given moment in the entire expansion of space, there would have to be an increasing amount that would exist.

All we have to do is detect negative matter virtual or otherwise :)

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Feb 23 - 05:56 AM

https://www.livescience.com/jwst-early-universe-discoveries



The Webb telescope is looking at the early universe.
It looks similar to now except for green peas.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Feb 23 - 09:00 PM

Soggy Bottom Boys

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Feb 23 - 08:52 PM

We have many low lieing areas. In DC we have Foggy Bottom.
Not to be confused with Mississippi's Soggy Bottom Boys.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 16 Feb 23 - 01:28 PM

With apologies for crossing the threads ....

> I recommend chicken life vests and galoshes for lying areas.

Do you mean "low lying areas" or Mar-a-Lago :-) ?

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Feb 23 - 08:26 AM

Our chickens LIVE IN THE HOME OF THE BRAVE and have survived mass incarceration, fentanyl, Covid, mass shootings, insurrection, white national racism, and TRUMPISM. They wouldn't be caught dead in the UK which is a very silly island. We even protect them from UFOs and shoot down any galactic immigrants that dare incursion into the land of the American chicken. OUR BRAVE CHICKENS RULE.

Our chickens are not even afraid of a ten-foot sea rise from a glacial ice shelf that is about to break off of Antarctica and melt.
I recommend chicken life vests and galoshes for lying areas.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Feb 23 - 01:39 PM

Clearly not breed injured animals. Just fix 'em!

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Feb 23 - 12:31 PM

I will never go to a zoo. I understand that we may need to breed captive animals that are threatened, injured or on the brink of extinction, but animals on display for entertainment, not for me, thanks. Even my cat is free-range.

Cage eggs are becoming a thing of the past on the whole, though a third of our eggs still come from hens in "enriched cages," which are bigger (but still awful) than the pre-2012 battery cages, now banned. Barn eggs are common still, and from what I've seen around here "free-range" is a concept that needs a serious rethink. I know one place that has huge barns with pop-holes and I never see the hens in their outside enclosure. Their eggs are still sold as free-range. In farming, the concept of "what the eye doesn't see" is heavily guarded.

Tell us about your US chickens. We don't want them here...

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Feb 23 - 11:58 AM

199 posts and I am still none the wiser. Someone else can have 200 :-)

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Feb 23 - 09:45 AM

Simply animal rights law beyond anti-cruelty statutes.

I'm perfectly capable of discussing it myself. An intro;
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/06/happy-the-elephant-lessons-for-the-future-of-animal-rights-law.html



Cage free eggs and an end to veal cruelty is also catching on.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Feb 23 - 09:04 AM

Your repetitive mentions of animal rights lack focus. We have fairly strict laws in this country about who can or can't do what to wild animals. There are rules regarding animal welfare standards in agriculture which some of us would like to see tightened and which, as with humans, are often breached. But we can't discuss it unless we know what you're talking about, and you did raise it out of context and out of the blue. Instead of calling people clowns for not responding to your apparent sudden bee-in-bonnet, why not tell us what you're on about and give us something to chew over?

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Feb 23 - 08:33 AM

The issue of animal rights remains, despite the class clown trolls.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Feb 23 - 12:23 PM

"Run for office with a 'no-shit' campaign."

Hmm. Something you'd never manage...

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Feb 23 - 12:04 PM

Well, as we keep saying, Steve. You have your Donuel and I have my Dick.

:D

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Feb 23 - 09:26 AM

Run for office with a 'no-shit' campaign.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Feb 23 - 05:21 AM

Careful now, Dick! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: The Sandman
Date: 14 Feb 23 - 05:12 AM

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw - PM
Date: 13 Feb 23 - 08:44 PM

I support fairies in the bottom of the garden because they're prettier than goblins and leprechauns. quote S Shaw
I prefer Gnomes.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Feb 23 - 04:47 AM

See varmints thread. I love dogs but I strongly dislike a lot of their owners, which, round here, is most of them. They let them bark, they let them shit all over our streets and they let them charge around out of control. Nowt wrong with the actual individual dog. You misrepresent yourself here all the the time but kindly refrain from misrepresenting me.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Feb 23 - 09:24 PM

History supports the idea that some radical ideas become mainstream in 100 years. For example; should Women be allowed to vote?
Should animals be considered co-creators of life on Earth and have legal rights?
If corporations now have the legal rights of a person why not whales, dolphins, primates and others?
US laws ban cruelty but does not convey rights to animals. We know how Steve feels about dogs but we wouldn't want him involved in this question if we love dogs, or any conscious life for that matter.