BS: KISS keep it simple

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Sep 23 - 05:02 AM

"I am a science fan"

This belongs in the joke thread, surely.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Sep 23 - 02:43 AM

Not bad at all, Don. Just stick to this thread. Simple! (See what I did there!?)

Why do you keep saying "donate to Mudcat" when you cannot possibly know who donates or how much?

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Sep 23 - 09:25 PM

Meat without the animal could make it to market soon. cultured meat

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Sep 23 - 09:01 PM

Donate to Maudcat.
As some are sports fans I am a science fan. It is too bad so few post science findings.

I used to be awed by Elon Musk but lately I am disillusioned.
Check out his new biography.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Sep 23 - 03:17 PM

It would be a good idea to change channel, Don, but when you post your views on all kinds of subjects on many unrelated threads it is difficult to avoid you. Stick to this thread and everyone will know which channel to avoid or watch accordingly. There is only 1 UK politics thread. There is only 1 Trump thread. Let's make this the one and only Don thread eh?

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Excellent suggestion. Duke it out over here. ---mudelf

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Thompson
Date: 11 Sep 23 - 02:10 PM

And the secret of cooking quinoa just right? Equal amounts of water/stock and grain. That makes it fluffy with the right amount of bite.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: gillymor
Date: 11 Sep 23 - 01:28 PM

Quinoa is not a bean, it's a pseudo cereal or a pseudograin. It does go well with beans though, I make it with black beans.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Sep 23 - 01:28 PM

And quinoa is not "beans." Next...

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Sep 23 - 01:25 PM

You rattled on more than once about "free-floating," which doesn't happen. Your last attempt is the first time you mentioned the fimbriae guiding the oocyte into the fallopian tube, a crucial part of events and the opposite of "free-floating." You failed to mention the main mechanism by which the egg is transported along the tube. You stated in effect that it's the follicle that escapes from the ovary, which showed that you didn't know what the follicle is. You then referred to the oocyte as a "vesicle," which is simply risible. Your errors were nothing to do with "leaving out enormous amounts of data" and everything to do with your highly-imperfect understanding of the process you were pontificating about. About eight or ten minutes looking it up on wiki would have remedied all of it for you, but, as ever, you just fire proudly off as if you're the expert. You latest additions are entertaining if nothing else, and now you're moving into areas sexual such as masturbation, how pleasure declines with age, the tale of the hymen (note spelling...) and suspected non-virginity, etc. I can't wait for the next instalment. Maybe it will be your imperfectly-remembered chunks of the Kama Sutra that will be so badly-described that anyone trying them out will dislocate every joint in their body. Pass the mushrooms!

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Sep 23 - 01:07 PM

By mid century global warming will force more agriculture indoors.
CRISPR and AI will make some crops growable by conventional means but the end of the century will find supply failing demand worldwide.

We will of course be dead and not see the ravages of famine. Beans be it quinoa or soy may prove to save mankind.
Its not just crops under threat, it is the declining number of farmers. With luck and policy change, a farmer will not just be a cost to be minimized in the future. More than crops and farmers needing change to survive, bees will also need to be onboard.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Sep 23 - 12:04 PM

Condensing information into an easily understandable format does leave out enormous amounts of data but I do not consider this wrong or nonsense or idiocy.

In Our Bodies Ourselves I initially condensed the following;

The follicle with the maturing egg inside moves toward the surface of the ovary. At ovulation, the follicle and the ovarian surface open, allowing the tiny egg to FLOAT out. About this time, you may feel a twinge or cramp in the lower abdomen or back (called mittelschmerz, German for “middle pain”).

Headaches, stomach pains, or sluggishness are not uncommon at the time of ovulation. But you might also feel fantastic and not even know you are ovulating.

The Egg After Ovulation
After ovulation, the fingerlike ends (fimbria) of the NEARBY fallopian tube sweep the released egg into the tube’s funnel-shaped end.

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For my purposes I did not condense a more complete source like https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK441996/

The prevarication about my statements comes from a source I choose to ignore but expect me to condense in the future.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Sep 23 - 10:02 AM

Change the channel and donate to Modcat:

The Socratic method is still valuable in the area of the law and cosmology.

As I predicted the bogus Inflation theory hid a greater secret. That secret was that all the heavier elements were present 13.7 billion years ago. What that portends is that all the elements for life, and possibly life itself, were present at what appears at the 'let there be light moment'.

With our knowledge of evolution, an extra 13.7 billion years of evolution could have a profound effect on how advanced life can be elsewhere.



Another subject where centuries old myths have been exposed is regarding the myth that female virginity is always linked to a broken and bleeding hyman. Based on that myth there has been shame, false accusation, and honor killings. While the hymen is generally shaped like a scrunchie with a hole in the middle it varies. ONLY HALF OF WOMEN would experience bleeding upon initial intercourse.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Sep 23 - 09:09 AM

"I will remain predictive, up to date and sometimes whimsical in the nature of my interests. And usually wrong." That's what your self-aggrandising statement should have gone on to say.

There is no virtue in being wrong all the time, then dressing up your wrongness in bogus claims of what a great imagination you have, etc. The virtue lies in spending a little time checking your facts before posting, and typing in clear, simple English. Good scientists don't just sit at home having a big think. They also endeavour to communicate their knowledge as clearly as possible to others. Apart from the facts that you are not a good scientist and that you're a useless communicator, you're fine.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Sep 23 - 08:26 AM

Then you may get your wish.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Sep 23 - 08:23 AM

I will remain predictive, up to date and sometimes whimsical in the nature of my interests. If you are not interested, change the channel.

With all of your misinformation that has been invented regarding myself, my observations, and opinions, I am reminded how Qanon and Trump operated. Granted you are glib.

I understand you want this thread closed.
Cancel a couple of sightseeing tours and please donate $10,000 to Mudcat.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Sep 23 - 04:17 AM

I see that you were complicit another thread closure Don. I suggest that you keep your arcane ramblings to this thread and then others, including me, can keep our repudiation of your wilder ideas here too. The moderators will be happier if they are not having to police multiple threads

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Sep 23 - 07:50 PM

I'm a very happy chap, as anyone who knows me would attest. It ill-behoves you to comment on my general demeanour as you have never met me in person. I wouldn't comment on yours for the same reason, though I would muse on the fact that some of the happiest people I know are also the stupidest. When I can be arsed to examine the assertions you make on this forum, I find that you peddle misinformation as a matter of routine. In a recent example I found that almost every assertion you made about ovulation was completely wrong, not just slightly in error, and I've done the donkey work in exposing that and correcting you. Much of what you post here is ostensibly about science. But, you see, science is there to advance human understanding of the world, the universe and the laws of nature. Almost all of what you post is either speculative, whimsical, half-baked, overly-simplistic, unchecked or just downright misunderstood. Well in science that simply won't do. When you post your abundant inaccuracies you claim that it doesn't matter because, variously, you claim to be a man of ideas, ultra-imaginative, some kind of free thinking visionary, when all the time we can see that you're just a bloody clot. In addition, you are completely useless when it comes to clearly communicating whatever it is you're trying to tell us. You appear to revel in whimsy and obscurantism, perhaps thinking that it marks you out as some kind of floating-over-the-rest-of-us guru. Well you're just not. Basically, you're a fraud, you've be been called out several times each at least by gilly, Raggytash, Backwoodsman, Dave, Ebbie, Joe and others, apart from yours truly. As we saw on the Trump thread, you have an arch-protector in high places. I'd say, don't let that go to your head. Instead, let's post to threads like this only after checking our facts first, and let's try to understand that science is there to wonderfully extend our understanding of the universe via baby steps, not via wild-west flights of whimsy.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Sep 23 - 06:35 PM

I really do wish you were happier Steve, not the fake positivity kind of happiness. I'm having fun in my pursuits. shrug I'm not being flip.
Do get some rest. You have many unexamined assumptions then tell lies to support those assumptions. Ridgid denial doesn't help people or the planet.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Sep 23 - 03:48 PM

How good is the Webb telescope? If there was a bumblebee on the moon and the Webb was as far away as the Earth, the telescope could detect the bumblebee.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Sep 23 - 03:25 PM

Click left or right on the image for a nice tour,

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Sep 23 - 03:19 PM

Our brain and the Universe share fractal principles but does the Universe share a consciousness?
https://www.facebook.com/SPACELover00/photos/a.100738889402683/105203365622902/?type=3

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Sep 23 - 02:58 PM

He doesn't actually make things up as such. He thinks he's read something somewhere, he issues us with a garbled and simplistic version of it and confidently asserts misinformation arising from his lack of comprehension. When he's found out he gives us a load of flannel about his imagination or ideas or his bogus prophetic skills or something. There's a very simple solution (isn't that supposed to be the spirit of the thread?): check your facts before posting. Almost everything he said about ovulation was incorrect. He hadn't checked. I did the checking and found out what he should have found out for himself, that his initial ideas were near-garbage. He's just posted some bollix about orgasms. I know it's bollix but I haven't got the energy to check. I've been up since the crack of doom, have travelled for four hours by road to and from airports and endured a hot, sweaty delayed flight from Málaga, including mucho hanging about standing up in boiling airports. I'm knackered, and that's a real fact!

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Sep 23 - 02:55 PM

I'm not even sure what that means!

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Sep 23 - 02:31 PM

If there is a global lying enemy lurking out there, I would say it is inequality in all its ugly forms.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Sep 23 - 02:20 PM

Everyone has an opinion Thompson but facts are sacred. If someone proves that posts below the line are from older folk I will accept it but until then it is just speculation.

For instance, my impression is that Don makes many things up but I will not state that as a fact until I can prove it!

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Thompson
Date: 10 Sep 23 - 01:59 PM

My impression would chime with Donuel's, that the codger factor is higher below the line. But it's only an impression from occasional visits.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Sep 23 - 01:37 PM

No misquotes on my part. Here is your exact quote, Don

"The elephant in the room is that there are more older people under the line than above, at least a higher percentage of older folks."

I am still waiting for proof of that statement. I doubt if it is true.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Sep 23 - 11:49 AM

Remember my determination was based on a probable percentage/per capita comparison of catters, not a total volume. It makes sense to me the actual doers and producers are younger above the line than below.
A troll will often misquote and then attack their own perversion of what is said. It's a variation of the good ol straw man attack.

It was said "facts are sacred" but some facts are so pithy as to be insignificant and other facts are so monumental we can not see them in their entirety. Truth is even more complex.

I could talk ideas or be mired in explaining every phrase, word, and comma. I prefer ideas.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Sep 23 - 11:17 AM

Aye. I'm still waiting for proof that people who post below the line here are older than those who post above the line. As one who regularly posts on both I find that puzzling!

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Raggytash
Date: 10 Sep 23 - 10:55 AM

Thank you SRS, however I think that if a poster mentions a particular subject they should, as a matter of course, give a link to their source.

As we have seen on frequent occasions information that has been "quoted" has proved, even after a brief perusal of the Internet, to be patently untrue.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Sep 23 - 10:22 AM

The 3D printed stainless steel bridge in Amsterdam opened in 2021. It's actually quite beautiful. It reminds me of a highly-designed wooden footbridge installed in a creek park with the twists in the design. (The local bridge looks like a Pacific NW cedar canoe that washed up in the Texas prairie, but whatever).

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Sep 23 - 10:14 AM

Zen Buddism teaches how to avoid binary thinking which traps people in a 'this or that paradox' that misses the point. The use of koans are a teaching tool to overcome binary thinking

For more varied topics go to https://ed.ted.com/

Choose Discover/Lessons

Subject: RE: BS: Orgasms
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Sep 23 - 10:00 AM

Research shows that in masturbation there is NO DIFFERENCE between men and women in the time required or the capacity for pleasure.
That women have a hard or tricky time achieving orgasm is A TOTAL MYTH. If the standard of penis vagina sex is the standard then equality of time and pleasure goes down.
The structure of the clitoris is similar to the head of a penis but there is a clitoral structure on each side of the inner vulva similar to the shaft of the penis.

After the age of 60 there is a slow decline in the pleasure response and a time increase in both sexes.

The big takeaway from this research is that there is an inequality in the belief of different responses with orgasm which may cause some women to fake it and men to remain stupid with a myth.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Sep 23 - 08:56 AM

Your Amygdala in your brain is like a general fork in the road, one path to avoidance and the other to approach.
All avoidance and no approach make Jack a dull boy.
Too much approach may make Jack get eaten by a predator.
May your journey be a happy balance.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Sep 23 - 08:43 AM

Ancient Greeks called this, 'know thyself'.
Self-knowledge is the sum total of who you truly are as a person.
This can lead to wisdom and surprise without the distraction of ego.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Sep 23 - 08:30 AM

Not every person of discovery enjoyed the immunity of self-compassion.
If you are an imaginative creator of any kind there are difficulties of being before your time. Think how lucky you are to have that experience. It often leads to real advancement and help to others.
The greats share in being a help to others. The small people often do the opposite of help. Build up your immunity and you will be happier, more creative and perhaps luckier.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Sep 23 - 08:18 AM

More of my sources are countless hours of TED talks.
Some of you are not immune to Steve like dinosaurs in whatever career path you are on. The cure is immunity. The best immunity is compassion and even better, self-compassion. We are only human and can make mistakes as part of learning. Big or small forgive them all and you will grow faster and better day by day.

Make any experience as growing the texture of life more beautiful instead of less horrible. In life you will encounter horrible people but remember their suffering need not be yours. You will become more free with self compassion.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: gillymor
Date: 10 Sep 23 - 07:57 AM

So what will be the new definition of the word simple? Oh wait, I've got it, complex.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Raggytash
Date: 10 Sep 23 - 07:25 AM

How about providing a link to your source.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Sep 23 - 06:46 AM

Right now in the Netherlands, a bridge is being built designed by AI with its steel components made by digital printers and assembled by robot. In a similar vein new structural components for passenger planes are being made that are stronger yet weigh half as much.
The age of augmentation has begun.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Sep 23 - 06:31 AM

Occam's razor or keeping it simple is a very human thing. If it turns out there are other bubble universes out there making a multiverse, we will have to change the definition of simple because anything that could happen would be happening. So it is not an insult to say we don't completely know reality.

Meanwhile back on the Earth, in the next 20 years we will be able to augment ourselves and any building project. It will be a new age of Augmentation using AI, Robots and new conceptual design.
Previous ages of hunter-gatherer, agricultural, industrial, and computer age are about to see a new age of augmentation which will happen faster than every preceding age.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Sep 23 - 04:20 AM

"Once captured by the fallopian structure the free-floating stage of the follicle is over."

Well there's no free-floating, of course, and the thing that leaves the ovary is not a "follicle." The follicle stays put in the ovary.

"If you did a search they go so far as to say the vesicle free floats in the abdominal cavity."

The thing that leaves the ovary that's guided into the fallopian tube is not a "vesicle."

By all means skip over my posts, folks. If you do, pure fiction will prevail! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Sep 23 - 02:24 AM

"there are more older people under the line than above, at least a higher percentage of older folks"

Is there? Are you sure about that or is it another unsubstantiated Donism?

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Sep 23 - 11:00 PM

There are surprises in this thread with some doozies to come.
It may not be your cup of tea but the better way to navigate is to just skip over the Steve comments. Minus the abusive and dangerous remarks, his attitude is basically a biblical "there is nothing new under the sun".
I am here to demonstrate that there is plenty that is NEW under the trillions upon trillions of suns.

The elephant in the room is that there are more older people under the line than above, at least a higher percentage of older folks.
This brings certain questions in our culture that can be addressed.
There is a medical bias that favors the young over the old.
There are other prejudices against older folks. I'll save those for another time, I just hope that people of any age can be timeless enough to explore new ideas.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Sep 23 - 08:38 PM

The most rare galaxy in the Universe is called a Hoag's object.
It is a single or a double-ringed galaxy around a luminous core.
There are no known forces that can form such a galaxy.

The 3 body or N body problem would only serve to tear such a galaxy into chaos.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Sep 23 - 07:56 PM

Another way we mirror the Universe

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Sep 23 - 07:37 PM

The "Mudcat" Ameiurus natalis is relatively rare but lives in small ponds 2 or 3 feet deep to actual mud. The largest pond they inhabit is a max 50 across. A mudcat's whiskers can smell good water from bad hydrogen disulfide bad water.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Sep 23 - 04:21 PM

I'm not "quibbling" about anything. I'm giving you the unalloyed facts. You were plain wrong, simple as that.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Thompson
Date: 09 Sep 23 - 04:13 PM

Too much spite. Here's an interesting video about the growth of SUV sales.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Sep 23 - 03:27 PM

SOP. You never prove it do you?

The neurologic evolution to a true homo sapiens to me includes the fact we are artists compared to our predecessors.

WE ARE ALL ARTISTS. Maybe it is cooking, pottery or painting but we have a penchant to make artful things. We don't do much cave wall painting but look at all the murals everywhere.
I knew a woman who was an artist at sex. If your art is coding or welding or wielding a guitar we still are all artists.