BS: KISS keep it simple

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 May 23 - 06:06 AM

I knew you were going to say that...

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 May 23 - 04:43 AM

So now it can be done without an MRI scanner, eh? What are you saying? Do make your confused mind up. By the way, this is not even getting close to mind-reading. You should get a job as a gutter tabloid headline writer.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 22 May 23 - 12:42 AM

OH I see how you are terribly mistaken. It is the AI algorithm that associates brain activity to certain words not the MRI. Then the AI runs the algorithm in reverse.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 May 23 - 06:02 PM

Well you do seem to be a self-styled expert on all sorts of things, so I suppose I should salute your temporary outbreak of humility.

The thing about MRI scans reading our minds has two aspects. First, MRI scans can't read our minds. Duh. Second, the scaremongers seem to be forgetting that no-one can actually be forced into an MRI scanner.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 21 May 23 - 04:05 PM

I am not an expert on AI BUT I have been following its progress for a decade.
I suggest listening to the American MRI AI Researcher interview on MSNBC Ari Melber last week.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 May 23 - 04:14 PM

I think Donuel ought to refer to a reliable dictionary in order to look up the word "gist."

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Ebbie
Date: 20 May 23 - 02:43 PM

Here's the gist: "Prof Shinji Nishimoto, of Osaka University, who has pioneered the reconstruction of visual images from brain activity, described the paper as a “significant advance”. “The paper showed that the brain represents continuous language information during perception and imagination in a compatible way,” he said. “This is a non-trivial finding and can be a basis for the development of brain-computer interfaces."

Improving upon its current ability is a fairly alarming concept. At the very least, it would mean another leap into the unknown.

I have my reservations concerning Elon Musk but when he's talking about the dangers of AI, he is convincing.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 20 May 23 - 12:11 PM

The lie detector was actual bullshit but became a favorite of corporate America because it sometimes inspired confessions.

AI MRI technology actually reveals the gist of what people are thinking and provides a narrative. I do not know how a subject could manipulate results but time will tell as well as authoritarian's abuse of the tech.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 20 May 23 - 10:34 AM

The history of lie detection in America from the 30s to the 70s was a big deal and virtually absent in Europe. I was subjected to the rigamarole several times. It was promoted by 2 pioneers in the field.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 May 23 - 10:03 AM

So, you've read that, have you? And you came away from reading it to tell us the MRIs can "read our minds"? All I can suggest is that you read it again, properly this time.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 20 May 23 - 09:38 AM

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/may/01/ai-makes-non-invasive-mind-reading-possible-by-turning-thoughts-into-text

Steve warning
If you click you will own your guilt of spreading misinformation

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 20 May 23 - 09:06 AM

Teens are said to be exposed to and cause toxic social media. You sir are a toxic teen in the social media sphere.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 May 23 - 08:38 AM

"AI MRIs can read minds."

That is nothing but a sensationalist headline. You cannot support that in any detail whatsoever with proper sources, simply because it isn't true. I'd like to say that it's your usual half-baked nonsense, but it isn't even that.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 19 May 23 - 07:35 PM

dear lord rutherford, your skepticism is unfounded and is again objectively WRONG.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 May 23 - 07:15 PM

Bullshit.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 19 May 23 - 07:04 PM

I've also watched the interview with the originator scientist and the ethical concerns from another scientist.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 19 May 23 - 06:51 PM

It takes at least 16 hours. But it works!

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 19 May 23 - 06:36 PM

AI MRIs can read minds.
source: New York Times

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 May 23 - 01:08 PM

But write them down in private please... :-D

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 May 23 - 01:55 PM

Write them down and that helps with their durability.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 18 May 23 - 08:18 AM

I was surprised to learn that every time we access a long-term memory our brain has to reconstruct it. By looking at it we diminish it.
Memories fade and can change when they are poorly reconstructed.
I

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 18 May 23 - 07:31 AM

The most contentious subject is consciousness. People can be empowered by new understanding or scared by it. Denial is the default setting for all brains. We usually ignore 99% of what we perceive. Perception and consciousness are separate systems and are united only when the entire brain is fully involved. So you only really see 1% of your visual field, the rest is an illusion created by the brain. Your eyes move 3 times a second and sample different areas 1% at a time. Colors are the last to be interpreted in areas forward from the rear occipital areas. Compromises are made by the brain when background colors are compared. Thats why the blue dress looked gold to some but not others. Who is the boss of your brain is the question that can be most challenging to many people. WE'LL GO THERE NEXT.
For Dave: It is forever true regarding the fact that some information may be new to you but not others and vice versa.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 May 23 - 02:24 AM

Dave, maybe RefDesk: Fact Checker for the Internet will help. I have the link in my bookmarks but often forget it's there. A very simple page format, all linked text, but keep scrolling down and you'll find several places that might give you a starting point for some of the clarification or debunking you want to do for this thread.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 May 23 - 02:18 AM

I did that, Stilly, and the answers I found were linked in my first post on this subject. I was intrigued by what I found and wanted to know what extra information Donuel had found to conclude that the problem had been solved. I think you are right to surmise that there is none. I am disappointed but glad I fact checked. I am no wiser as to the cause of coronal heating but now know much more about Donuel's "facts". You win some, you lose some :-)

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 17 May 23 - 07:56 PM

As I said in fewer words, the magnification of heat energy by millions of times like in the sun's corona by twisting and breaking magnetic fields is a big deal. What if...it was applied to forming plasma in a fusion reaction generator? Or some other application. Magnifying heat energy is a powerful tool. Just don't ask me exactly how...I don't know. Amplifiers are hot but never this hot.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 17 May 23 - 07:28 PM

The mysteries in life is the stuff of great Art.
Appreciating the Art of mysteries is simple.
You do or don't.
I'm about whats next.
If I am right about a conclusion I am as surprised as anyone
All glory or discovery is fleeting.
The rest is your usual bag of trouble/problems.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 May 23 - 06:59 PM

But this thread is about keeping it simple so can you just tell me, simply, what new information you have on the coronal heating problem.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 17 May 23 - 06:59 PM

Dave, I think the answer you got just now boils down to "no." Try entering some of the keywords on this topic into Google Scholar. You can filter the results to books, articles, films, etc. And let us know what you find.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 17 May 23 - 06:53 PM

Everything is copasetic. The rainbow of scientific views is as wide as
the electrodynamic spectrum. God forbid if it were ever focused.
A collection of curious notions is more interesting than cosmology 24/7. For me, it's like a crossword puzzle to sharpen my memory.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 May 23 - 06:41 PM

Agreed Stilly and I hold up my hands, to apologise for my input into the fracas. Lets rewind to what I thought was a sensible question. I am not redoing the links as anyone can go back to the original posts.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome - PM
Date: 16 May 23 - 08:24 AM

This is the 2018 article from which you extracted your opening line, Donuel. Listening to the talk it seems that the coronal heating problem was put down to either Alfvén waves or nano flares with many scientists thinking that it was a combination of both. The latest news that I can find, from 24 March 2022, is that The Sun's Puzzling Heating Problem Is Closer to Being Solved but still remains a puzzle. Do you have later information?

I am interested in following this up as I think it is one of the "interesting tidbits". So, no diversion into trolling or other nonsense. Donuel, do you have any further information that was not discussed in those articles that leads you to believe your assertion that "The reason for this (coronal heating problem) has been discovered. The reason is remarkable."? If so can you please point me in the right direction. If not, a simple no will do. The fate of the thread is now in your hands!

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 17 May 23 - 06:39 PM

There are no innocent parties here - you can choose to ignore the parts that don't make sense. I'm not defending what Don posts, I just skip past the parts that don't interest me. It's a BS thread, so the bar is low (or non-existent) and perhaps my own background with stream-of-consciousness-filled conversations (a family trait?) makes it easier to ignore. You should do the same. When anyone decides to make a stand they're setting up an altercation that isn't pretty and doesn't contribute anything useful or interesting. Just move on.

Political smears, hate speech, and other things that get people kicked out aren't happening here.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 May 23 - 06:03 PM

The thread is very unfocused in the sense that, because of the way its originator is behaving with his random inputs, it's impossible to "go off-topic." I know that you try to accentuate the positive with him, Maggie, and that's laudable. But the half-baked science, the uninformed assertions and the puffing of the chest regarding the quasi-mystical skills he claims to possess are at the core of the nonsense you refer to. You're almost certainly right when you say we should ignore it, but please don't equate the rest of us with him in a blanket characterisation of the nonsense, and don't be too surprised when some of us bite back at his "if you don't believe in Donuel you're a trolling idiot" insinuations!

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 17 May 23 - 05:45 PM

Wrong question. It should be "is this the kind of thread that any moderator is actually interested in reading in order to be the playground monitor." No, it isn't. There are some interesting tidbits dropped in here, and I wish each of you would stick with the interesting stuff and

ignore the nonsense.

Some of you have spent a lot of time insulting each other here and when someone complains and I look at the most recent complaint then work my way back, I find alternating insults exchanged and am frankly not interested in pruning out the nonsense and then seeing if it all still "makes sense." When someone complains I look at who threw the first punch? It depends entirely on how far back in the thread I end up going. It's filled with ad hominem insults. Stop attacking each others' characters and discuss the simple ideas or ignore them and move on.

It's either get along or close the thread. Entirely up to all of you.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 May 23 - 04:08 PM

I don't believe that you are saying that anything goes on this thread, Stilly. Are you?

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 17 May 23 - 03:31 PM

So you all know that this is an extremely flawed thread and if you're here duking it out I will presume you want to get in there and verbally duke it out and subject yourselves to insults. I've weeded out some in the past but I don't read this every day. If you don't like the state of this discourse, there are many other fine threads running on Mudcat.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 May 23 - 02:49 PM

And who's that "someone," Donuel?

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 May 23 - 01:51 PM

Personal attacks. The failsafe of someone who has nothing left.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 17 May 23 - 01:39 PM

A troll is generally defined as a person who posts abusive, insulting, inflammatory, extraneous, off-topic or digressive messages in an online community by engaging in hit-and-run extraneous repetitive noise and ad hominem attacks. I think of Dave as someone's Toadie or a copy cat kitten and not the full-fledged pSyCHo. We need all the serious fantasy writers we can get.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 May 23 - 10:29 AM

Extraneous, off-topic or digressive messages in an online community are trollish in my book.

Who was it that said that? I can't remember... :-D

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 17 May 23 - 10:11 AM

I admired how his genius shown thru his affectations, tics, addiction, and the mental illness of depression.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 17 May 23 - 09:53 AM

Oscar had a love/hate relationship with Gershwin. Levant dreamed of one day rivaling George in composition but his talents were elsewhere, especially on the piano, in movies, and as a raconteur.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: gillymor
Date: 17 May 23 - 09:21 AM

Levant played himself in a lukewarm bio pic of his buddy George Gershwin and was the best thing in it, as I recall.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: gillymor
Date: 17 May 23 - 09:10 AM

Real Estate doesn't look like a good long term investment down here but Florida led the nation in immigration last year. I won't be around to see the sequel to the epic flop "Water World" but I pity those who will. Some friends and acquaintances have been pulling up stakes for the mountains of Western North Carolina and I've been thinking of doing that myself.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 17 May 23 - 09:06 AM

I used to watch Oscar Levant on the Jack Parr show. I am delighted a play, 'Goodnight Oscar' will reintroduce this genius to the world.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 17 May 23 - 08:43 AM

I was watching a show called secrets under the ice when the concern about the western Antarctic glaciers melting was shown. It looked kosher to me. I wouldn't buy land in Florida.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 17 May 23 - 07:33 AM

I find wisdom in anecdotal evidence. Some of the greatest baseball champions have a neurological advantage in seeing fast things in slow motion. Like ear training, it is something many can learn. It can happen in emergencies like witnessing a 90mph car accident. I recall watching a man spill out the back seat as the car started cartwheeling and seeing him slide on his butt down the meridian with wide eyes going 80 mph. As a child, I saw what I called lightning people. In college, I could speed up my vision until the flicker of fluorescent light became individual flashes. These kinds of experiences can be called phenomenology since they are aspects of consciousness. Some things are experiential and not a fact for everyone all the time.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 May 23 - 03:00 AM

"Extraneous, off-topic or digressive messages in an online community are trollish in my book."

Once again posted with no hint of irony :-)

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 May 23 - 07:07 PM

He copied the troll diatribe from The Wire. The article is all about trolling in India and I can't help thinking it was written by a victim. As for "An 11 foot sea rise was predicted 250 years from now" I can't stick around for 250 years waiting for that prediction to be made. On the other hand, I should like to see the modelling that supports that prediction. If conditions on earth worsen to the extent that a sea level rise of that magnitude comes about quickly, we'll have a lot more to worry about than just that.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 May 23 - 07:01 PM

So I guess there is no more up to date information and "The reason for this has been discovered" is not really true then.

Sigh. I really thought you had some new news. You fooled me.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 16 May 23 - 06:59 PM

btw It was discovered the Earth orbits the Sun and not the other way around. It's an oldie but goodie.

Extraneous, off-topic or digressive messages in an online community are trollish in my book.