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GUEST,Guest 09 Jul 01 - 02:24 PM
wysiwyg 09 Jul 01 - 02:28 PM
nutty 09 Jul 01 - 02:45 PM
gnu 09 Jul 01 - 02:45 PM
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gnu 09 Jul 01 - 03:33 PM
GUEST,Janice in NJ 09 Jul 01 - 03:43 PM
MMario 09 Jul 01 - 04:05 PM
gnu 09 Jul 01 - 04:34 PM
nutty 09 Jul 01 - 07:02 PM
GUEST,michael batory 10 Jul 01 - 08:31 AM
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Subject: musical arrangements
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 09 Jul 01 - 02:24 PM

Can you copyright an arrangement or can you protect an arrangement ? The reason I ask is we are making a CD and I am recording a unique arrangment of a traditional tune.

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From: wysiwyg
Date: 09 Jul 01 - 02:28 PM


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From: nutty
Date: 09 Jul 01 - 02:45 PM

I believe the answer is YES BUT ..........

YES you can copyright an arrangement but it is specific to a particular tune or set of notes
BUT , someone else can change that arrangement by two or three notes and claim copyright on their arrangement.
It really is advisable to get proper advice on this.

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From: gnu
Date: 09 Jul 01 - 02:45 PM

How do you "protect" ?

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From: nutty
Date: 09 Jul 01 - 03:03 PM

That's why you need proper legal advice

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From: gnu
Date: 09 Jul 01 - 03:33 PM

hmmmm... MY question is, "What is the difference, if any, between copyright and protect ?"

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Subject: RE: Copyright an arrangement ? ?
From: GUEST,Janice in NJ
Date: 09 Jul 01 - 03:43 PM

The short answer is yes, at least in the United States. People do it all the time, but the copyright extends only to the new work you have created, in this case the arrangement, and not to the underlying piece of music.

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From: MMario
Date: 09 Jul 01 - 04:05 PM

you can copyright something - in fact under current US law virtually everything is copyrighted - but the burden of proof is upon YOU - so the protection part means you have to be pro-active. Among other things this includes making sure copyright notices are prominent, violations are persued, etc.

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From: gnu
Date: 09 Jul 01 - 04:34 PM

Same here in Canada... protection is "done" by the holder under copyright. It cannot be "obtained" as can copyright. Just wanted to make sure I hadn't missed something.

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Subject: RE: Guest
From: nutty
Date: 09 Jul 01 - 07:02 PM

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the outcome of the case fought by Martin Carthy (re Scarborough Fair) meant that an arrangement of a traditional tune can be subject to copyright but the tune itself cannot.

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Subject: RE: Musical Arrangement Copyright? (prev title Guest)
From: GUEST,michael batory
Date: 10 Jul 01 - 08:31 AM

Yes, If you make an arrangement of a song that is out of copyright ( Life of Copyright is 70 years after the composer's death), often known as a "trad" song, you can claim the copyright in that arrangement.

Once you have committed your arrangement to a material form, the copyright is automatically yours, but in order to protect it, you should register it.

You can do this by:-

1. Sending the ms. of your arrangement to yourself in a registered envelope. (Be careful not to forget that you have sent this to yourself. Opening it, thinking that the envelope may contain money or some other goodie, will invalidate the excercise and you'll have to start again).

This will confirm that on the date on which you sent the letter to yourself and thereafter, the copyright in the contents of the envelope is claimed by you.

The cost of this is the cost of the stamp, paper, time etc.

2. Lodge your ms. at your bank or solicitor and obtain a detailed and dated receipt. This will have the same effect as 1. above.

The cost is negotiable.

3. Register with Stationers' Hall.( The Worshipful Company of Stationers and Newspaper Makers) There is a standard copyright registration procedure. You are in fact recording a claim to a copyright and when I last looked, the cost was 40 pounds + VAT for an individual, 70 pounds +VAT for a Ltd. Company, and 34 pounds + VAT for a member of the MU. This may have changed by now.

The registration lasts for seven years and then should be renewed. You will have to pay the fee again.

4. Sign to a publisher and assign the copyright in your arrangement to him or her. However, be careful to take proper legal advice, from a lawyer experienced in the music business.

HOWEVER if the song is still in copyright any arrangement made of the song, without the permission (should be written)of the copyright owner( maybe the composer or maybe the publisher), will be the property of the copyright owner.

This is not to say that the arranger may not be credited as such, nor does it preclude a deal between the arranger and the copyright owner.

Hope this helps.

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