when should a bodran be used

Subject: RE: Folklore: when should a bodran be used
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 23 Sep 03 - 11:46 PM

Actually, artbrooks,

it wouldn't be the "poor" bodhrani, but the excellent one...

:-)

Robin

Subject: RE: Folklore: when should a bodran be used
From: artbrooks
Date: 23 Sep 03 - 10:48 PM

Bodhrans are, of course, appropriate on all appropriate occasions. Pity the poor bodhrani, who is maligned more than G.W. Bush, and with much less reason. It is primarily his (or her) excellent taste that gives the extra sparkle to those tunes in which he (or she) chooses to participate.

Subject: RE: Folklore: when should a bodran be used
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 23 Sep 03 - 10:26 PM

So mcGrath,

In African/Arabian style drumming, many drums (of differnt pitches and sounds) are played together without the claimed obnoxious result of the multiple Bodrans...

do we agree that it is not the INSTRUMENT, but the (Irish) STYLE of playing that tends to make the active presence of more than one or two of the things in a session often objectionable?

Robin

Subject: RE: Folklore: when should a bodran be used
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 23 Sep 03 - 09:12 PM

American First Nation music too.

Frame drums turn up just about anywhere. Mind, I don't think any other part of the world devised the Irish way of playing them. I'm convinced it was the invention of someone who'd got in the way of strumming a guitar or a banjo, and just transferred that way of thinking to the drum.

Subject: RE: Folklore: when should a bodran be used
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 23 Sep 03 - 09:02 PM

It is not compatible with waltzes if played the "normal" way! i.e. in Trad Irish Style! (shuffle shuffle... played with the "tipper style")

But THE PHYSICAL INSTRUMENT can be played as a medieval tambor, and then it works very well in other styles of music, including early music, which is what I bought it for originally! I haven't learnt the Irish style very well yet, I must admit.

If you also think "tambourine with rattly bits", you also get something quite different too. Although my research shows that some Irish instruments had rattly bits too...

Since it's a "frame drum", it works well in Arabian/Egytpian music too.

Robin

Subject: RE: Folklore: when should a bodran be used
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 23 Sep 03 - 06:38 PM

I'd say that any music where the sound of feet tapping would fit in could be music where a bodhran might fit in too, if played the right way.

Subject: RE: Folklore: when should a bodran be used
From: open mike
Date: 23 Sep 03 - 06:37 PM

not compatable with waltzes as former posts states.

Subject: RE: Folklore: when should a bodran be used
From: wysiwyg
Date: 23 Sep 03 - 06:36 PM

embroidery hoop

cheese mold

hm...... a vision is coming.... there's Spaw.... using it to mold post-vegemite material..... nonononono.......

~S~

Subject: RE: Folklore: when should a bodran be used
From: BanjoRay
Date: 23 Sep 03 - 06:25 PM

A good bodhran player sounds great in an Irish session. The best bodhran player would sound terrible in an old time appalachian session. I'm not ducking and running, I'm just going to stand here.
Cheers
Ray

Subject: RE: Folklore: when should a bodran be used
From: tuggy mac
Date: 23 Sep 03 - 06:18 PM

Nice one skippy,i heard a young lad in dublin amongst 13 other instruments. When i told him that hes playing was excepional, he modestly replied.:Could you here it through all of the others. He played very well
Cheers matey!
Tuggy.

Subject: RE: Folklore: when should a bodran be used
From: GUEST,skippy
Date: 23 Sep 03 - 05:48 PM

I agree with all of the above!
However last week at Bromyard, there was a bodran player in a band whose name that I did not catch (as I was in the bar when they came on - no surprise there then)who was to say the least EPIC & only a young chap too.
He played the instrument as though it was a part of his body & soul, so for me for once it really worked.
Long may he play, if anyone knows the name of the young band in question them reply & give them the publicity they deserve.

Subject: RE: Folklore: when should a bodran be used
From: rock chick
Date: 23 Sep 03 - 05:28 PM

Now see what you have started, again ;o))) and i'm sure again and again and again

Subject: RE: Folklore: when should a bodran be used
From: tuggy mac
Date: 23 Sep 03 - 05:23 PM

?

Subject: RE: Folklore: when should a bodran be used
From: tuggy mac
Date: 23 Sep 03 - 05:11 PM

Well so far the responce on my q, has been very informative as well as hillarious!

Thanks so far mateys.

Tuggy.

Subject: RE: Folklore: when should a bodran be used
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 23 Sep 03 - 04:47 PM

Don't be beaten down there. A bodhran played well - and that doesn't mean played flashily, or over-loud - can really lift a tune sometimes, and not just in Irish tunes.

I've always understood that the right way to play the bodhran isn't to think in terms of playing the rhythm, you play the tune, following the lead melody instrument. So it has to be a tune you know, or you're good at picking up tunes.

And bodhrans should be solitary animals - one at a time, at most.

Subject: RE: Folklore: when should a bodran be used
From: GUEST,tinker from chicago
Date: 23 Sep 03 - 04:35 PM

So easy to mock. Banjo jokes, bagpipe jokes, bodhran jokes, all arise from the simple fact that ANY instrument can be played poorly or wrongly. Or is it just the ones that start with "b"?

My general rule is that when a bodhran genuinely contributes to the mood of the song AND can be played in a professional manner by someone who has learned, not just purchased, the instrument, then go ahead. It does not belong, ever, in songs in 3/4 time. And the eejits who hold one bulb of the tipper while beating the poor bodhran to death with the other should be arrested for goatskin abuse.

Subject: RE: Folklore: when should a bodran be used
From: open mike
Date: 23 Sep 03 - 03:03 PM

as a tool for winnowing grain,
as a child's rolling game such as hoop and stick,
target practice, tossed up like a skeet (clay pigeon),
as a holder for ice to chill musicians' drinks,
as a lamp shade.
in a marching band...marching away..
or, as I do, as a rhythm in a band for contra dancers.
once i played in the "orchestra" for a hill billy play
and was able to provide sound effects for the train
by playing the bodhran with a koosh....
you know, one of theose kid's toys of rubber
whcih looks like a bunch of rubber bands tied together.
sort of gives the effect of a drummer's brush-
soft sound...

Subject: RE: Folklore: when should a bodran be used
From: greg stephens
Date: 23 Sep 03 - 02:34 PM

AS a tray to carry drinks to the musicians

Subject: RE: Folklore: when should a bodran be used
From: catspaw49
Date: 23 Sep 03 - 01:50 PM

If you have to urinate.
If you have to defecate.
If you have to vomit.
If you need an ashtray.
If you need to stoke a fire.
If you need to start a fire.
If you lost your frisbee.
If you want to watch something sail off a high cliff.
If you need a spare tire.
If you need a picture frame.
If your gorilla needs a teething ring.
If you need to make a banjo sound good.


They have hundreds of other uses........

Spaw

Subject: RE: Folklore: when should a bodran be used
From: GUEST,Bill Kennedy
Date: 23 Sep 03 - 01:42 PM

St. Stephen's Day

Subject: RE: Folklore: when should a bodran be used
From: harvey andrews
Date: 23 Sep 03 - 01:38 PM

From my experience of them, as little as possible.

Subject: RE: Folklore: when should a bodran be used
From: tuggy mac
Date: 23 Sep 03 - 01:35 PM

?

Subject: RE: Folklore: when should a bodran be used
From: tuggy mac
Date: 23 Sep 03 - 01:17 PM

Nice one tig and uncle dave!

Subject: RE: Folklore: when should a bodran be used
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 23 Sep 03 - 01:07 PM

When should a bodhran be used? Anytime you want to stoke the fire!

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: Folklore: when should a bodran be used
From: Tig
Date: 23 Sep 03 - 12:49 PM

You can play a bodhran to most any tune with a reasonably paced rhythm - I play a mean jazz bodhran when I feel like it BUT you must take into consideration anyone else in the room.

When I was first learning I was told:-
LISTEN to the rhythm, go with it rather than across it until you are totally confident in your playing.

It's as important what you MISS OUT as put in - a constant hammering is unnecessary and unfriendly.

COUNT the number of bodhrans in a session - one is brilliant (if played quietly), two - listen to each other, three - think hard and four- forget it (at least for that tune).

DON'T try to play everything. A slow air or solo offering is ruined by a bodhran player and gets all of us a bad reputation!

If you are not sure what/when to play try thinking "would it sound good if I was just listening". You will often find the answer immediately. If you are not sure why not try playing without your stick - fingers or knuckles make a far less harsh sound, especially with your hand firmly on the back - until you are sure. There is also no crime in giving up a tune if you are not happy with your playing of it.

I've survived 30 odd years of playing like that. The best compliment I was ever given was "I don't notice when you are playing!".

Enjoy the sessions, but let everyone else too!!

Subject: RE: Folklore: when should a bodran be used
From: tuggy mac
Date: 23 Sep 03 - 12:20 PM

Nice one leadfingers!Know where your coming from!

Subject: RE: Folklore: when should a bodran be used
From: Leadfingers
Date: 23 Sep 03 - 12:18 PM

Some peoples Bodhrans should NEVER be played.No names no Pack drill.

Subject: Folklore: when should a bodran be used
From: tuggy mac
Date: 23 Sep 03 - 12:15 PM

All too often i see bodrans brought to sessions and they seem to linger at the foot of the tables until! a certain tune comes up. these tunes vary.are there set tunes to play or will any tune do?

Cheers a humble book reading amature!
tuggy.