BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Peace
Date: 22 Jul 06 - 06:21 PM

I wonder who will march to get Hezbollah and Hamas to stop?

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: dianavan
Date: 22 Jul 06 - 06:18 PM

C. Ham - I stand corrected.

1000 casualties - Hmmm... Must make you proud.

Now its time for you to admit you are wrong about accusing me of being friends with Hamas and Hezbollah.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST,Stop The War: Si
Date: 22 Jul 06 - 06:12 PM

THOUSANDS MARCH IN LONDON!
Thousands marched in London today calling for an end to the invasion and destruction of the Lebanon and a halting of the attack on Gaza.

THe march called at short notice was organised by the Stop The War Coalition, the Palestine Solidarity Campaign and the Muslim Association of Britain.
There were at least 11 other rallies or demonstration across Britain and others across the world including a huge march in Sidney ,Australia.
The theme of all the demonstrations was an end to Israeli aggression in the Middle East and an end to the mass murder of Lebanese and Palestinian civilians.
Si

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Peace
Date: 22 Jul 06 - 06:12 PM

"1982: Refugees massacred in Beirut camps
More than 1,000 people are feared to have been killed during a 24-hour rampage by Lebanese militia in West Beirut.
The Christian Phalangist group are reported to have murdered entire families in cold blood in the Palestinian refugee camps of Sabra and Shatila.

The massacre was apparently revenge for the assassination four days ago of the Christian President-elect, Bashir Gemayel.

The Israeli army moved into the area a few hours after Mr Gemayel was murdered, and has been accused of helping the militia during the killing - or at least not intervening to prevent further loss of life."

Note the term, Christian Phalangist group in that article. Stalin did crap the way you do. Select editing, etc.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST,hugo
Date: 22 Jul 06 - 06:04 PM

my earlier posting should have read that Israel devastated the Lebanon once before in the 1980s. Apologies for the typing error.

That was another huge assault on the population...around 20000 were thought to be killed in a sort of bloodlust by the Israeli military which destroyed the capital city Beirut, raining shells,bombs and missiles down on its inhabitants.

The military commander was Ariel Sharon and he was later found to be culpable for the massacres at the Sabra and Shatila refugees camps where despite guarantees of safety right wing fascist murder squads entered the unarmed camps to slaughter and rape .Over 2000 women,children and old people were slain while the perimeters of the camps were maintained by the Israelis who fired flares so that the murder squads could find their victims.One Israeli commander later congratulated the phalange leader for a murder job well done.
hugo

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: C. Ham
Date: 22 Jul 06 - 05:32 PM

"There have been about a thousand Lebanese casualties, less than one per air strike."

Thats one thousand Lebanese killed in one week.

As usual, Dianavan, you've got it wrong.

There have been about 300 Lebanese deaths since Hezbollah started this war. A casualty refers to any kind of injury, from a stubbed toe to death.

Part of the problem is that the Hezbollah heroes, like their Hamas friends, hide within, and launch their rockets and missles from within, the civilian populations.

As Peace has pointed out, if Israel wasn't being as careful as possible to minimize civilian casualties, the death toll would be in the many thousands. Which, btw, puts the big fat lie to CarolC's constant claim of Israeli genocide.

Also, Israel's attempts to minimize civilian casualties is in direct contrast to your Hezbollah and Hamas friends whose specific intent is to kill civilians.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Peace
Date: 22 Jul 06 - 04:26 PM

I won't say what you should change YOUR name to. Have a nice day.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: dianavan
Date: 22 Jul 06 - 04:22 PM

"Despite Hizbollah efforts to force civilians to stay in their homes..." SOURCE PLEASE.

"There have been about a thousand Lebanese casualties, less than one per air strike."

Thats one thousand Lebanese killed in one week.

I'm sure that's very comforting to the families of the victims.

Peace, from the article you linked:

"Better to say that what's under attack is liberal democratic civilization, whose leading representative right now happens to be the United States."

We all know thats a joke!

btw - from your tone, lately, I, too, think you should change your name to War.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 22 Jul 06 - 03:30 PM

Don't you love the Guests regards for the facts?   Israel attacking people in the 1880's, Everyone 'Knowing' absolutly that Iran doesn't have nukes, etc, etc, etc.

I'd start on the stuff they really mean, and have repeated a few times, but I have a train to catch on Monday, and I don't think I'll be finished by then...

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: robomatic
Date: 22 Jul 06 - 03:19 PM

hugo, walt:

you guys sound like a couple of eurocommunists put out to pasture. Your definitions have the ancient pong of material dialectics, which was a cover word that communists used to pervert the truth. The Arab world had a big brother in the ol' Soviet Union, which acted in order to foment war and hatred in the Middle East.

you boys just a couple of ol' fashioned partisanskis.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Peace
Date: 22 Jul 06 - 03:11 PM

WALT. How the hell are ya? I have missed you sooo much. Glad you're back. I wanted to tell you to get shagged and couldn't find you to do so--tell ya, not ya know. Shit, it is good to see you. Hope you've been keeping well.


Robomatic: I am old and my eyes ain't what they used to be. Would you be so kind as to message me if 'one' of these guys accidentally says anything of worth? Thanks, buddy.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Peace
Date: 22 Jul 06 - 03:06 PM

"Why is this Arab-Israeli war different from all other Arab-Israeli wars? Because it's not an Arab-Israeli war. Most of Israel's traditional Arab enemies have checked out of the current conflict. The governments of Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia are, to say the least, indifferent to the fate of Hamas and Hezbollah. The Palestine Liberation Organization (Fatah) isn't a player. The prime mover behind the terrorist groups who have started this war is a non-Arab state, Iran, which wasn't involved in any of Israel's previous wars."

Interesting article here for anyone who wishes to look at a bigger picture than "Isreal bad, Hezbollah/Hamas good."

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST,walt
Date: 22 Jul 06 - 03:00 PM

Peace....shouldn't you call yourself "War"?
walt

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Peace
Date: 22 Jul 06 - 02:44 PM

"It is a little bit like throwing petrol onto the fire ."

It is exacytly like throwing petrol onto the fire. It will just make it easier to land the bombs where they are meant to go. Wise thinking, because the bombing is going to continue until Hezbollah is wrecked. I think that's a good thing.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Peace
Date: 22 Jul 06 - 02:40 PM

When people are elected to government office, they usually don't get to have their own army. Lebanon already had and has an army. Hezbollah wanted its own. Democracy my ass.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST,walt
Date: 22 Jul 06 - 02:37 PM

comment on the posting by guest RP

"Israel must now deal a blow of such magnitude to those who would destroy it as to leave no doubt that its earlier policy of acquiescence is over"

Well we know that Israel is the only nuclear armed state in the region with a growing arsenal of nuclear weapons.

It also has one of the most powerful armies in the world with all the sophisticated killimg machines it needs to pulverise its neighbours.

The assertion that the "world's diplomats are somehow soft on Israel is laughable.Israel has been armed to the teeth by the most powerful state on the planet for the past six decades.It is also well supported by Britain which helped Israel to acquire its nuclear weapons capability in the 1960s according to recent press reports in the UK.


Israel is the "model"state of imperialism.Created to police the Middle East and to keep its vast population quiet.It fits neatly into America's plans to control the region's oil reserves and the Suez Canal.

Since it was founded on stolen land it has invaded,bombed and terrorised both its neighbouring states and the Palestinians ,who somehow cling to the belief that they and not the Zionist-come -lately are the rightful owners of land .

Guest RP talks about"PROPORTIONALITY".We have seen the proportionality of the Israel war machine on our television screens during the past few weeks.The mass murder of civilians in Gaza and the Lebanon is a war crime ....we have seen the apartment blocks and cars destroyed,the houses and hospitals bombed and the attacks on the civilian population. And today it has been announced in the US media that Bush is sending precision bombs to further aid Israel attack the Lebanon.

What a carve up! What slaughter! Fee Palestine! Stop the Bombing of the Lebanon!
walt

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST,RP
Date: 22 Jul 06 - 01:20 PM

Israel must see the current fighting through to a conclusion that is unambiguously a defeat for Hezbollah and Hamas.

The world's diplomats, always generous with advice for the Israelis, cheered when Israel withdrew from Lebanon in 2000. They pretended not to notice as Hezbollah poured Iranian-supplied rockets into Lebanon: first a hundred, then a thousand, then ten thousand and even more. None of the world's foreign ministries described Israel's failure to respond to Hezbollah's arming as a disproportionate response to an obvious menace.

The word "disproportionate" re-emerged in recent days as a criticism of Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's epiphany: Israel is a country that two terrorist organizations, Hamas and Hezbollah, are dedicated to destroying, and following the advice of diplomats to respond "proportionately" would leave those terrorists free to pursue that goal.

Israel must now deal a blow of such magnitude to those who would destroy it as to leave no doubt that its earlier policy of acquiescence is over. This means precise military action against Hezbollah and its infrastructure in Lebanon and Syria, for as long as it takes and without regard to mindless diplomatic blather about proportionality. For what appears to some to be a disproportionate response to small incursions and kidnappings is, in fact, an entirely appropriate response to the existential struggle in which Israel is now engaged.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST,hugo
Date: 22 Jul 06 - 12:37 PM

mmmmm!!!
I seem to remember that Israel,having devastated the Lebanon once before back in the early 1880s then created a buffer zone in south Lebanon run by a thuggish crew called the South Lebanese Army....backed up, of course, by the Israelis.The prison it kept in that buffer zone [al khaim was a byword for torture ].

The SLA collapsed about 5 years ago and the Israelis were finally driven out of the Lebanon 18 years after its invasion had been launched.

The buffer zone idea did not work out then and a new buffer zone would still create enormous military and political problems for Israel...and despite moving north the buffer zone would still involve sharing a border withthe Lebanon and presumably Hezbollah.

In the meantime its deliberate and callous destruction of the Lebanon will cause even more people to support the fight against Israel.Its strategy is leading into a brutal dead end.
hugo

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: robomatic
Date: 22 Jul 06 - 12:36 PM

GUEST, Hugo:

You sound familiar, like you've been visiting before under another name like Jon, or Walt, or Q-Tip or somethin'.

Anyhow, your rhetoric is empty, and you even got one of the points wrong. There are some other points I saw on TV last night on the M'Laughlin Report:

Return the kidnapped Israelis
Stop the rocket attacks on Israel
Lebanon Army to take full control of S. Lebanon

sounds like we got a plan.

Since you haven't answered the question addressed to you, whether or not you respect that an independent nation Israel "is real" I can conclude that you are only interested in distributing your rhetoric and don't have the courage to address the issue, because you can reply yes or no. That would be engaging in a conversation which apparently you don't have the energy or guts to do.

pity.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Jul 06 - 12:13 PM

The Israeli attacks on Hizbollah military facilities are having an effect, with rocket Hizbollah launches down by more than half (to about 40 today). Israel has several thousand troops in southern Lebanon, and they are going after the Hizbollah rocket launching teams. The Israelis have found that their tactic of dropping leaflets warning civilians to stay away from residential areas used to store weapons, and especially rockets, has worked. Despite Hizbollah efforts to force civilians to stay in their homes, the vast majority of civilians fled villages and neighborhoods where it was known Hizbollah was storing rockets. Thus most of the Israeli bombs destroyed rockets and housing, not people. The UN has not accepted this, but has bowed to media spin and pro-Hizbollah propaganda, to get behind the terrorists, and accuse Israel of using "disproportionate force." The UN is demanding a cease fire (which, to Hizbollah, is interpreted as a pause before the next round of attacks on Israel). Despite frequent UN rhetoric about the benefits of democracy, they appear to have an imperfect grasp of how it actually works. For example, if a terrorist group were to fire a thousand rockets into any democracy, the citizens of said democracy would demand military action against the attackers, not a cease fire and avoidance of "disproportionate response."

Israel is now moving into the second week of a three week military operation. The first week was mainly a bombing campaign to cripple Hizbollah's ability to easily move men and munitions around, and to destroy Hizbollah facilities, particularly rocket storage sites. The air campaign has hit about 1,200 targets so far, including some 200 rocket storage sites. There have been about a thousand Lebanese casualties, less than one per air strike.

The second week has small groups of ground troops going into southern Lebanon to investigate suspected rocket storage sites. This tactic has uncovered those storage sites Hizbollah was able to build and hide from Israeli air and satellite reconnaissance. So far, about half the Hizbollah stocks of rockets have been destroyed, while about a thousands of the rockets have been fired into Israel. It's currently estimated that Hizbollah had some 14,000 rockets, mostly smaller (122mm) ones.

Hizbollah had also trained several dozen teams of men to get the rockets out of their storage sites and launch them into northern Israel. In the third week of the Israeli military plan, more troops will go into southern Lebanon, and Hizbollah fighters killed or driven out. At that point, Lebanon or the UN can be invited to come in and take charge of the area, with some guarantees (a big sticking point) that Hizbollah will not move back. If that doesn't work, Israel has the option of creating a 30-40 kilometer deep neutral zone in southern Lebanon. Several hundred thousand Lebanese civilians have already fled that zone, and may not be allowed back in until something is done about Hizbollah.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST,ozjake
Date: 22 Jul 06 - 10:54 AM

10000 Australians ,many of Lebanese descent, marched through Sidney today to call for an end to the invasion of the Lebanon and a return to peace.Many carried Lebanese and Australian flags.The invasion was denounced strongly.
Jake

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST,hugo
Date: 22 Jul 06 - 10:52 AM

RESPONSE TO ROBOMATIC
1 Stop the bombing of the Lebanon.....the mass murder of civilians,children ,women and innocent is still an international war crime

2 Stop the invasion of Gaza.......its children are half starved and terrified by the indiscriminate shelling,the flattening of apartments and the bulldozing of streets etc.

3 Release the prisoners......there are 9000 in Israeli jails....including women and children.Hezbollah have said that they will release their prisoners in exchange.

4 Withdraw from the illegally ocupied territory of the West Bank.

Free Palestine!!.

Israel cannot impose its will on the people of the region by bombing,burning,shooting and imprisoning.It won't work any longer!.Even with the military assistance of the USA it cannot impose its will.
hugo

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: robomatic
Date: 22 Jul 06 - 08:07 AM

Guest, Hugo:
Guest, James:

I take it that you support the 1967 borders defining Israel and Israel's right to defend them as stated by CarolC?

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST,walt
Date: 22 Jul 06 - 05:35 AM

The village of Izbet At Tabib on the occupied West Bank is protesting at plans to demolish half its houses to make way for the apartheid wall being built by Israeli occupation forces.

The mass open air meeting in the village attended by hundreds of viagers and others from the district was attacked by Israeli jeeps who eventually withdrew after a confrontation with youths from the village.

Another 21 villages in the area are due to be demolished to make way for the wall.Most of the resients of Isbet At Tabib are farmers and shepherds and they face losing access to their lands and the eventual loss of he land itself.
walt

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST,Dan
Date: 22 Jul 06 - 05:23 AM

The New York Times has reported that the Bush administration is rushing the delivery of high precision bombs to Israel for use in the Lebanon. It is a little bit like throwing petrol onto the fire .
Dan

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST,James
Date: 22 Jul 06 - 05:10 AM

A KIND OF DEMOCRACY!
A dream among the neo-cons in the USA was that democratic revolutions would sweep the Middle East removing its enemies in Syria and Iran -but not its friends in Egypt or Saudi Arabia.

But then 23 Hizbollah MP s were elected in The Lebanon allowing it 2 cabinet seats and free elections returned a Hamas govt in the Palestinian territories.That could not be allowed.

Israel and the USA converged.Both wanted the destruction of Hamas and Hezbollah ,both have Syria and Iran in their sights.

That takes precedence over the survival of a democratically elected govt in Beirut and over any pretensions that Palestinians have any control over their lives.
James

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Peace
Date: 22 Jul 06 - 03:17 AM

PS,

Other than this thing about Israel, you and I have more in common than you'll ever know.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Peace
Date: 22 Jul 06 - 03:13 AM

http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/article.php?article_id=9280

The site you gave (www.socialist worker.com) links to a few communist sites. I will not help you link to that.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST,Hugo
Date: 22 Jul 06 - 02:58 AM

The point is there will be no peace in the Middle Est while the Palestinians are being denied justice and the terrible vents of the past few weeks have their roots in the formation of Israel on an entire land stolen at gunpoint from the Palestinians.
Hugo
ps I acknowleged the source of the extract from Socialist Worker and the date .If you want to read further go to its website www.socialist worker.com

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Peace
Date: 22 Jul 06 - 02:32 AM

Hugo: The article you posted has this at the bottom of the page. Please have some respect for the request.

© Copyright Socialist Worker (unless otherwise stated). You may republish if you include an active link to the original and leave this notice in place.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Peace
Date: 22 Jul 06 - 02:26 AM

Thanks for sharing. What's yer point?

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST,Hugo
Date: 22 Jul 06 - 02:24 AM

The campaign of terror that Israel is waging against the Palestinians in Gaza and against the Lebanese is frighteningly similar to the terror that was used to create the Israeli state in 1948.The Palestinians called the creation of Israel the Nakbha- the catastrophe.

The Zionists who created Israel used terror against individual villages or areas to create a wider climate of fear or panic.On the 9th April 1948 a Zionist militia led by Menachim Begin -who went on to become Prime Minister of Israel -entered the Palestinian village of Deir Yassin .Villagers were given 15 minutes to leave their homes and then more than 200 Palestinians were murdered.

Within the next few months Zionist militias drove out 750000 Palestinians.

Dropping leaflets on Lebanese towns warning them of the consequences of associating with Hezbollah is reminiscent of the propoganda used
alongside the direct violence to instill fear in the Palestinians during the Nakbha.

Israel was founded on the expulsion of Palestinians.There will be no peace in the Middle East until there is justice for Palestinians and the other victims of Israel's terror.

from Socialist Worker
22 nd July 2006

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Peace
Date: 22 Jul 06 - 02:15 AM

Stop drinking so early in the morning. It's not good for you.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST,jon
Date: 22 Jul 06 - 01:52 AM

You Zionist guys really dont like the word "zionist" to be used do you?That puzzles me somewhat! But there again you can barely use the words "Palestine" or "Palestinians".

For the Israeli soldiers to be released there will have to be a deal somewhere down the line or are they such an embarrassment to the Israeli army that the Israeli High Command woud prefer to see them dead rather than imprisoned.

Sharon did a prisoner exchange a few years ago but the Israeli top brass does not seem interested this time. That particular prisoner walked free and Sharon survived politically.

The Israeli top guys however, would far rather destroy The Lebanon and pulverise Hezbollah.However,in the process of smashing up the Lebanon they have made enemies of hundreds of thousands of people...they have even bombed christian areas of Beirut which tells me that Israel's war machine is a lot dumber than it thinks.Every time Israel goes to war it gets harder for them.Israel has lost the pyschological advantageover its opponents.
Despite the ravings of the Zionists Israeli policies are leading the peoples of the Middle East into a dead end ..all that is in store under the Zionists are wars without end,carnage and chaos and yet more bloody oppression for the Palestinians , Lebanese and others.
Under Zionism the blood never dries...
jon
jon

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Peace
Date: 22 Jul 06 - 01:34 AM

First intelligent thing you've said so far.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: robomatic
Date: 21 Jul 06 - 11:11 PM

LOL. Could not resist, Bruce. At least you get to be 'neighbor' of the BEAST!

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Peace
Date: 21 Jul 06 - 10:02 PM

Had to do that, did you? We are in deep deep doodoo now, Robomatic.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: robomatic
Date: 21 Jul 06 - 08:30 PM

DCLXVI - Hey Guest, Jon: I said I'd give ye props if you posted without using the word "Zionist" and by gum you made it little guy!

Congrats!

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: robomatic
Date: 21 Jul 06 - 08:28 PM

Guest,Jon:

If you do not even give to Israel a right to exist, you have no complaint, because you were not willing to engage the problem before it became a bigger problem. This is the problem in Lebanon. The Lebanese government could not control, and cannot control Hezbollah. Hezbollah chose to initiate an attack against Israel on its own territory. The great majority of the world gives Israel a right to respond even if there is considerable disagreement about the quality of the response, which has been addressed by Peace above.

All you do is winge without anything positive to offer. In other words, you simply regret that there are Jews on the property. You regret that they can't just be 'handled' without fear of retribution.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Peace
Date: 21 Jul 06 - 07:07 PM

You have seen nothing, wanker. You are a dipshit apologist for Hezbollah. FO. I mean that in the nicest possible way. You are proof that anal sphincters can type. Guinness Records needs you. I don't.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST,jon
Date: 21 Jul 06 - 07:04 PM

Have mercy you say??
We ve seen out there in Gaza and the Lebanon the quality of the mercy being displayed by the Israeli military.
jon

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Peace
Date: 21 Jul 06 - 03:59 PM

Keriste, jon, get a new script. You've had the same post about ten times. Have mercy and change the tune just a bit.

Zionists on Mudcat? LOL. OK, so be it.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Jul 06 - 03:49 PM

The defence ministers of Iran and Syria signed an agreement for military co-operation last month, although they declined to give specifics about what it involved. Iran's president has also warned of a "fierce response" if Israel attacks Syria.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: dianavan
Date: 21 Jul 06 - 03:40 PM

bb, you say, "If a terrorist blows up children, THAT IS a deliberate targeting of children."

I have already said that I do not believe that to be deliberate targetting of children. I believe it is deliberate targetting of civilians.

Deliberate targetting of children would, in my opinion, be a single bullet intentionally targetting a child.

Terrorism is definitely organized but it is not done by the government of Lebanon.

Waging war against the civilian population of Lebanon is a crime against humanity. What is happening to the Palestinians is mass murder.

Its time for Israel to show us that, as a government, they are capable of restraint and diplomacy. I expect more of a government than I do a group of terrorists. Committing war crimes is no way to fight terrorism.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST,jon
Date: 21 Jul 06 - 03:24 PM

I don't speak for anyone but myself. But it is increasingly clear to millions across the world that Israel is pounding the Palestinians into the ground and has been doing so for many,many years.
It is also quite clear to me and many others that its policy in the Lebanon of waging war against civilians is a war crime .
The Zionists on Mudat have lost the plot but mass murder is still a crime against humanity and if a courtroom is good enough for the Serbian killers it is surely good for the Israeli war leaders although I wont be holding my breath.
jon

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST,sick of it all
Date: 21 Jul 06 - 02:51 PM

Funny, Gilad Shalit doesn't look much like the Archduke Ferdinand.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: beardedbruce
Date: 21 Jul 06 - 02:48 PM

dianavan,

Please read my post of 1:42.


C. Ham is correct- the Lebonese have made NO effort to implement the UN resolution, or even interrupt the flow of (est 13,000) rockets from Iran since 2001. If you think that this indicates a desire for a peaceful co-existance with Israel, YOU realll need to work on your people skills.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: beardedbruce
Date: 21 Jul 06 - 02:42 PM

dianavan,

YOU state:
"Yes, but the Israeli children were not intentionally targetted. The Palestinian children have been. "


I brought up the bar mitsvah and ice creams parlor bombings, and hear nothing from you: If a terrorist blows up children, THAT IS a deliberate targeting of children. When the Palestinian children are used to attack armed soldiers, and act as memebers of an armed force, THAT is against International law, and you do not hold the Palestinians responsible. What would a Palestinian have to do for you to condemn their action?

Roll an old man in a wheelchair off a cruise ship? ( already done)
Randomly launch area bombardment rockets into a civilian area? (being done)
Blow up a children's party? (done)
Shoot a Palestinian child to make it look like the Israelis did it? ( done, by the earlier posting)
Torture and kill a 19 year old civilian for the crime of being Jewish? ( done)
Violate international law by using civilian areas as a military base? ( still in progress)
Claim that the children they murder with their attacks on civilian areas are "martyrs for Palestine and martyrs for the nation"? (done)

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: dianavan
Date: 21 Jul 06 - 02:38 PM

C. Ham says, "Unfortunately, the Lebanese "police" have made no effort -- none at all, zero on a scale of one to ten -- to deal with the terrorists that are operating on their territory. And rather than deal with the terrorists on any level, they have legitimized them by bringing them to the Cabinet table."

Please read my post of 1:36.

Bush thought if he could push Syria out of Lebanon, that would be the end of it. The new government has hardly had a chance. What does Israel and the U.S. want, another puppet government or a democracy? Don't forget, without the social services provided by Hezbollah, the Lebanese people would be in dire straights. They see Hezbollah as a provider and protector. Who else will provide and protect the people of Lebanon? Israel had their chance and all they did was kill, maim and destroy.

If Israel had their heada on straight, they would be exchanging education, computers and jobs for weapons. Instead, it turns a blind eye to the number of assault rifles, etc. being sold to Hezbollah by American, Israeli and Russian arms dealers. Those that make a living off war (the arms dealers) are the ones who should be tried and convicted.

Whether you are an Israeli, Palestinian, Iraqi, or Lebanese and regardless of your politics or religion, there are people who will exploit all of you for profit. Guns and ammunition fuel these wars and there are plenty that walk away laughing with their pockets filled with gold.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: dianavan
Date: 21 Jul 06 - 02:19 PM

bb - What statement would you like me to justify?