BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management

Subject: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management
From: Old Guy
Date: 11 Sep 06 - 09:59 PM

Now this is the way professionals run a prison:

Tortured screams ring out as Iraqis take over Abu Ghraib
Some of the small number of prisoners who remained in the jail after the Americans left said they had pleaded to go with their departing captors, rather than be left in the hands of Iraqi guards.

"The Americans were better than the Iraqis. They treated us better," said Khalid Alaani, who was held on suspicion of involvement in Sunni terrorism....
...The witness said that even in the thieves' section prisoners were being treated badly. "Someone was shouting 'Please help us, we want the human rights officers, we want the Americans to come back'," he said...

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management
From: tarheel
Date: 11 Sep 06 - 11:51 PM

SERVES THE BASTARDS RIGHT!!!!
Pardon me if i don't cry!

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 12:17 AM

Which "bastards" deserve to be tortured, shitheel? The thieves? Those *suspected* of involvement with the insurgency? Or just any old sand-nigger?

---Lepus Rex

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management
From: DougR
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 12:45 AM

Aw shoot. Now who is going to police the Iraqis? The American Civil Liberties Union? Sic 'em ACLU!

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management
From: freda underhill
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 09:30 AM

maybe its become the next CIA remote service jail. would save a lot on airfares etc - good business proposition.

or maybe the Iraqis just can't do torture like the yanks can.

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 09:39 AM

Well, that's me zinged! And in ALL CAPS, no less! Because, dude, if you want to make a point, DOING IT IN ALL CAPS IS ABSOLUTELY THE WAY TO GO. Thank you Jesus, for giving us the caps lock key! Although I imagine you're an old fashioned fella, and stick to holding down the shift key... like your grandpappy did.

Anyways, now that you've utterly destroyed my self-esteem,

what about an answer to my question? Which ("Ooh, how does he make that text bold? Is that another key?") torture victims won't you be crying over?

---Lepus Rex

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management
From: Ebbie
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 12:36 PM

Go easy, folks - remember, tarheel is a Christian...

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management
From: tarheel
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 02:13 PM

The Ghost of Gen Patton


A Message from the Ghost of General Patton....
ATTENTION!

To those whining, panty-waisted, pathetic Maggots, it's time for a little refresher course on exactly why we Americans occasionally have to fight wars.
See if you can tear yourself away from your "reality" TV and Starbucks for a minute, pull your head out of your flabby ass -- and LISTEN UP!!
Abu Ghraib is not "torture" or an "atrocity".
This is the kind of thing frat boys, sorority girls, and academy cadets
do to newcomers.
A little fun at someone else's expense.
Certainly no reason to wring your hands or get your panties in a wad

Got that Kennedy? Hillary? Jane Fonda?

The Beheading of innocent American Hostages is an atrocity!!!

So was the Destruction of the World Trade center, The Pentagon, and the hijacking of Flight 93!!!

Islam a peaceful religion???
Millions of these sons-of-bitches are plotting as we speak to destroy our country and our way of life any way they can. Some of them are here among us now. They don't want to convert you and don't want to rule you. You are a vile infestation of Allah's paradise. They don't give a shit how "progressive" you are, how peace-loving you are, or how much you sympathize with their cause.

They want you dead, and think it is God's will for them to do it. And you think Bush and Cheney are your worst enemies?

Some think if we give them a hug or listen to them, then they'll like us... and if you agree? Then you are a dumb ass!

If they manage to get their hands on a nuke, chemical agents, or even some anthrax -- you will wish to God we had hunted them down and killed THEM while we had the chance.

Stop bitchin' about your damn Health Care, Social Security, Gas prices, and your measly 4.4% unemployment rate...and start worrying about you, and your family's, and your friends' asses.

How many more Americans must be beheaded before you stop blaming Bush for all your troubles --
You've fallen asleep AGAIN, maggots!
And you may not get another chance!

NOW GET OFF YOUR SORRY ASS -
and pass this on to any and every person you give-a-damn about..
if you ever gave a damn about anything!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 02:37 PM

Spoken like the Christian you are Chuck. Keep it up. I was especially impressed that you could type in CAPITAL LETTERS. WOW.

Chuck comes on all Christian when he needs prayers for his loved ones. Looking at his posts will yive you some idea of why his loved ones need prayers.

The form of dyslexia I have makes it impossible for people who type in CAPITAL LETTERS to make any sense to me. Chuck, you have outdone yourself.

May the good Lord bless and keep you.

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management
From: Barry Finn
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 05:01 PM

You Tarheel are a prime example of why we are where we are today. You know nothing of Islam & know nothing of the Moslem society. As
did our leaders when we needed to scapecoat someone. Extremeists are part of neither & are on the outside of these but you'd like to kill everyone different from you, without giving a minutes thought to what you're reacting to. You see the world as those in power would like you to & react to it, again, in the same way that they'd like you to. Yes there are evil folks & groups in this world but you fall to look in the mirror & recognize them. You are no different than those that danced in the streets when the towers came down, uninformed & ignorant.

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 05:22 PM

Also, Chuck steals stuff from the internet and posts it so people think it is his writing. That poorly-written diatribe he posted is all over the internet. He's likely a bit paranoid and certainly a bit crazy, so go easy on him.

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management
From: Old Guy
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 05:26 PM

Who said: "Kill them all and let God sort them out"?

It originated from the qoute "Kill them all. God will know his own."

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 06:04 PM

Arnaud-Amaury, the Abbot of Citeaux. He said "Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnoscet." ("Kill them all. God will know his own.")

That is from the www.

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 06:06 PM

Bloody Hell, Tarheel, you DO like to stir it dont you!

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 06:08 PM

From elsewhere:

'The phrase, "Kill them all and let God sort them out," is attributed to Dominic Guzman. He's the founder of the Dominican order of priests. He and an armed troop of heretic hunters had come across a town that was supposed to contain a number of heretics. Guzman gave orders to kill everyone in town. When one of his subordinates told him that there were probably a lot of good Christians mixed up with the heretics what Guzman actually said was, "Kill them all and God will know his own."'



Bunch of damned plagiarists. The only credit they deserve is for recognizing a good line when they heard it.

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management
From: dianavan
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 09:41 PM

Tarheel - Is this the reason the U.S. invaded Iraq? Seems to me the goal was to overthrow a 'bad' regime and replace it with Iraqis who would be capable of creating a democratic country.

What happened?

Your post is an admission of failure and defeat.

Who's crying now?

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management
From: Ebbie
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 09:48 PM

Rex, it was meant as a barb- I was hoping the dirtyheel would back off a bit. He has complained in the past that we all jump down his throat whenever he writes and he doesn't seem to have a clue as to why that is true- I suspect he is a prime example of someone with whom there's no point in arguing.

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 13 Sep 06 - 10:17 AM

GUEST: The wonders of modern pharmaceuticals...

Ebbie: Ah, got it. :)

---Lepus Rex

Folks, the personal attack posts that contributed nothing to the discussion have been deleted. Tarheel initiated this, but I have also deleted those that responded with namecalling or personal attack. Please keep the discussion on the topic, and remember that personal attacks are not allowed. Mudelf.

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 13 Sep 06 - 11:01 AM

And... now the thread makes absolutely no fucking sense. Delete posts, but leave comments responding to or correcting those posts? Genius, "Mudelf," genius. New at this? :P

---Lepus Rex

Good point, LR. Thread fixed. Mudelf.

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management
From: Old Guy
Date: 13 Sep 06 - 11:52 AM

I saw a cartoon where Saddam was sitting in the witness chair with a judge looking on. He said "A few bad apples were responsible for the torture"

I thought it was funny as hell even though I dont agree with the analogy.

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management
From: Paul Burke
Date: 13 Sep 06 - 12:05 PM

The US is still totally responsible for AG. They are your allies (pronounced puppets), installed entirely by you and totally dependent on American tolerance for their continuation. You can't worm out and say it's someone else's responsibility, any more than the Germans could claim that their Hungarian puppets in WWII were acting independently. It's still an American war crime.

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management
From: Big Mick
Date: 13 Sep 06 - 12:14 PM

Paul, I am sure it was just an oversight on your part to not include the abuse of detainees by British forces in your post as well. I agree completely with much of the criticism of US policy, but it strikes me as odd that folks often forget to add that their own government is complicit as well. Most Americans don't approve of this shit, just as most Brits don't approve of their country's policies in Iraq or the North of Ireland.

It wasn't all that long ago that British Colonial policy was doing all of this and more.

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management
From: Paul Burke
Date: 13 Sep 06 - 12:17 PM

No, the British were never responsible for Abu Ghraib. They committed their crimes elsewhere. It's the government, the military, and individual members of those organisations, that are guilty of war crimes, not the "people".

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management
From: Big Mick
Date: 13 Sep 06 - 12:20 PM

Fair enough. Criticism of US actions at Abu Ghraib are certainly justified, so long as one doesn't adopt the tone that implies that somehow this is unique to us, or that your own governments are blameless.

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 13 Sep 06 - 06:45 PM

A fairly elegant solution to one post, "Mudelf," and I'd applaud it, if only it were applied to the other missing posts. The conversation, as a whole, still doesn't make much sense. Ah, well. :)

---Lepus Rex

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 13 Sep 06 - 09:06 PM

Hoy damn! We're approaching our goal, which seems to be to have a strong central repressive government in Iraq, using imprisonment and torture as a means of governance. Now if we could convince the powers-that-we-wish-would-be to be secular, rather than sectarian, we could say "Mission accomplished!" (or maybe we could have saved a lot of lives and money by leaving Saddam in--that's what he provided)

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management
From: Old Guy
Date: 14 Sep 06 - 12:22 AM

I am thinking the SOBs need a Saddam. They can't handle freedom.

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management
From: freda underhill
Date: 14 Sep 06 - 09:27 AM

they have not yet experienced freedom, OG. Their country has been trashed, their lives decimated. every day is a 9/11 somewhere in Iraq.

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management
From: Old Guy
Date: 14 Sep 06 - 01:45 PM

So are you saying they can or can't handle freedom?

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management
From: freda underhill
Date: 14 Sep 06 - 02:41 PM

I'm not saying either of those things, OG.

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management
From: freda underhill
Date: 14 Sep 06 - 02:42 PM

(are you suggesting there are no foreign forces in Iraq?)

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management
From: Old Guy
Date: 15 Sep 06 - 12:37 AM

Well do you think thay can handle freedom or not?

Yeah, there are forces from a lot of countries in Iraq.

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management
From: Amergin
Date: 15 Sep 06 - 02:37 AM

We will see whether or not they can handle freedom once the imperialistic forces are extracted Iraq, much like we will see if you can think on your own once your head finally is extracted from your posterior.

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management
From: dianavan
Date: 15 Sep 06 - 03:37 AM

I'd say they could certainly handle freedom from oppression and right now it is the U.S. and the new Iraqi govt. who are the oppressors. It used to be Saddam.

Was it worth it?

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management
From: Old Guy
Date: 15 Sep 06 - 02:08 PM

Were you worth it?

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management
From: dianavan
Date: 15 Sep 06 - 09:14 PM

I am not the subject of this thread.

The question I want answered is whether or not you think the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq was worth it.

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Sep 06 - 11:27 PM

Worth it to whom?

Halliburton has made a fortune. So has Cheney's friends. Probably Bush's friends. In their eyes, it's worth it. They didn't send their kids to die. They sent someone else's kid to die. It is ever thus.

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management
From: Old Guy
Date: 16 Sep 06 - 12:30 AM

The thread is not about the EVIL US LEAD INVASION either.

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management
From: Barry Finn
Date: 16 Sep 06 - 02:21 AM

No, it's about Abu Ghraib & why were we running their prisons in the 1st place, anyway???? Boy, is that a loaded question, what were we thinking?

And why did we set the new rules & put them in place???? Don't tell me it was "done & run" by the bottom tier terror-able tactful tacticians.

And why are we leaving those that we've placed & hand picked in this new situation in charge of those that we hand pick & placed in incarceration anyway. We've hand picked both the keepers & the kept & now we're tossing into this mix the old scum with the new slime??

Figures, we must've been really thinking hard on this one. Or do we just not give a f&%k? Do it & get out, a "shoot from the hip & fix it later" strategy,,,,AGAIN,,,,,as usual.

Let's start a war,,,,, we'll sell it & fix it later.
What a bunch of bastards.

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management
From: Ron Davies
Date: 16 Sep 06 - 08:45 AM

Dianavan's question is a good one. I'd be curious to hear Old's answer--he's real good at dodging--not quite so good in coherent replies.

So--was the Iraq war worth it or not--and if so, why?

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management
From: Old Guy
Date: 17 Sep 06 - 12:54 AM

No it was not worth it.

Now I want Dianavan to answer my question:

Dianavan said: "U.S./Britain/Israel resume diplomatic relations and begin to address their concerns."

Now address these concerns Dianavan:

"We are a nation that drinks blood, and we know that there is no blood better than the blood of Jews."

"We will not leave you alone until we have quenched our thirst with your blood, and our children's thirst with your blood."

"We will destroy you, blow you up, take revenge against you, purify the land of you, pigs that have defiled our country This operation is revenge against the sons of monkeys and pigs."
"Jihad is the only way to liberate Palestine -- all of Palestine -- from the impurity of the Jews."

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management
From: Ron Davies
Date: 17 Sep 06 - 10:18 AM

Old Guy--

Thanks for that direct reply. I've fallen off my chair.

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management
From: Old Guy
Date: 17 Sep 06 - 11:57 PM

So where is Dianavan's answer to my question?

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management
From: dianavan
Date: 18 Sep 06 - 12:35 AM

Address your own concerns.

Why would I even want to think twice about what an extreme, religious fundamentalist has to say?

What do your quotes have to do with this thread?

Are you suggesting that the prisoners at Abu Ghraib are guilty of such words or actions? From what I understand, many are common criminals and most have never had legal representation, let alone a trial.

Do us all a favour and stay focussed.

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management
From: Old Guy
Date: 18 Sep 06 - 01:11 PM

Dianavan:

It has nothing to do with Abu Ghraib. You did not answer the question in the proper thread. You ignored it in other threads. Which thread should I ask it in so you will give an answer?

You state that the U.S./Britain/Israel should resume diplomatic relations and begin to address the concerns of a party that is clearly bloodthirsty.

Please expalin how this concern can be addressed. If you don't know how it can be addressed, why are you saying that it should be addressed?

"Why would I even want to think twice about what an extreme, religious fundamentalist has to say?" You say U.S./Britain/Israel should but you don't want to even think about it. Why not?

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Sep 06 - 08:13 PM

The sound of one hand clapping makes a loud silence.

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management
From: Old Guy
Date: 19 Sep 06 - 12:24 AM

She will go to some other thread and post some new naive statement. When someone gets her cornered, she will just go somewhere else.

At least that has a certain amount of honesty to it compared to someone that fights on and gets nasty.

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management
From: dianavan
Date: 19 Sep 06 - 12:27 AM

If I were a diplomat, I would want to know why 'they are so bloodthirsty' and start negotiating to decrease their thirst. Thats what diplomats are paid to do.

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management
From: Old Guy
Date: 19 Sep 06 - 01:20 AM

So it is up to diplomats to do your bidding? How would you open the negotiations? Who would you negotiate with?

The PA and Hamas can't even negotiate with each other.

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management
From: dianavan
Date: 19 Sep 06 - 02:59 AM

Well then, I would negotiate first with Hamas and then with the PA or vice versa.

Like I said, its not my job.

What's a diplomat for anyway? Why do we have them if they can't find diplomatic channels? Diplomats cost a lot of money.