BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Jul 16 - 06:45 AM

Keith utters not a single word of criticism about the far worse outrages on his side whilst hectoring us about careless language from a very few mostly junior members of the Labour Party. I call that extreme hypocrisy. Shades of his refusal ever to criticise the Israeli regime no matter how dreadful their actions. Remember that next time he tells us that he's "centre-right."

There is no "his side" for me.
I am centre right.
Israel's "dreadful actions" are disputed.
All those accusations against Tories have already been aired here.
No need for me to repeat them.
Nor did I challenge, deny or defend them.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Jul 16 - 06:27 AM

More than a claim, Jim - what about Eton Toryboy Zac Goldsmith's disgraceful racist smear campaigning in the London mayoral election? What about the extremely unsubtle appeals to people's lowest racist instincts by the out campaign? Cynical posh Tory Eton boys, along with their crypto-fascist ally Nigel Farage, who got everything wrong and who doomed the country to decades on the sidelines, all passing without comment from Keith (presumably he approves, that's why). Makes the Labour "antisemitism" allegations look like a dropped saucer at a tea party. You and I have both addressed the allegations seriously. Keith utters not a single word of criticism about the far worse outrages on his side whilst hectoring us about careless language from a very few mostly junior members of the Labour Party. I call that extreme hypocrisy. Shades of his refusal ever to criticise the Israeli regime no matter how dreadful their actions. Remember that next time he tells us that he's "centre-right."

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Jul 16 - 06:18 AM

Jim,
A little different from it being a major problem, as you indicated.

No. A "serious issue" is "a major problem" though I never said "major problem" anyway.

it would have been acted on with expulsions and referred to as "significant" - it wasn't,

A "serious issue" IS "significant" Jim.

The entire NEC and numerous high profile officials and Chakrabarti said there was a serious issue with antisemitism in the party.
Against that you denials just make you ridiculous.

I made nothing up

Yes you did.
You said,
"Some time ago, it was recognised that there was a problem of Islamophobia in the Tory Party and demands were made for an enquiry"

Entirely made up shit Jim.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 25 Jul 16 - 06:11 AM

We have been asking the same question of you professor.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Jul 16 - 06:07 AM

Rag,
satisfaction of most people, you being the obvious exception.

Why do you say that?
I am quite satisfied thank you.
I am just arguing with people who claim there was never an issue in the first place.
They were wrong. There was.
I was right all along.

Accusations have often been made against Tories.
I have never challenged or denied any of them, so what is your point?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jul 16 - 06:01 AM

"Of course it was a minority Jim, but it was still a serious issue for the party."
And taken seriously by them
A little different from it being a major problem, as you indicated.
Bigotry or racisim in any form and to any degree is s serious problem to any party aspiring to be Socialist - it is against the whole philosophy of the movement, which is all encompassing and international, by its very nature.
If there had been a problem, as you suggested, it would have been acted on with expulsions and referred to as "significant" - it wasn't, as I have been point out all along and you have been contradicting.
So much for your being "right".
If you read the report, it is largely a matter of language usage (as your cut-'n-paste points out) - not discrimination against any particular racial or cultural group, not active prejudice - sloppy language.
Much of it stems from the rightful opposition to the policy of the Israeli regime.
By describing all opposition to their policy as 'Antisemitic' the Israelis have decided to blame 'The Jews' for their war crimes, human rights abuses and acts of terror.
If the Israeli Justice Minister can openly claim that all criticism to Israeli policy is "antisemitic' it is hardly surprising that people take her word for it and blame The Jews for criminal and inhuman acts by the Israeli regime.
Not too long ago a survey carried out in Britain suggested that one third of the population held and openly expressed racist and bigoted views.
In these circumstances, it is heartening and more than a little surprising that the "problem" of Antisemitism is as insignificant as it actually turned out to be - a very small molehill made into a very large mountain.
I made nothing up - there has always been a claim of Islamophobia in the conservative party, just as Antisemitism has always been the domain of the right, not the left.
You choose to deny it - now why am I not surprised!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 25 Jul 16 - 05:30 AM

Should we have a peep at racism within the Conservative Party?

Conservative Racism


You may wish to note the question as to whether all these issues have ever been dealt with.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 25 Jul 16 - 05:23 AM

The matter has been dealt with to the satisfaction of most people, you being the obvious exception.

Anything new ...................... no thought not.


Next for shaving !!

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Jul 16 - 05:04 AM

"for some years."
So not that promptly Rag.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Jul 16 - 05:02 AM

Rag,

The issue has been dealt with promptly by the Labour Party, that was why the Chakrabati Report was commissioned and published.

Thank you for agreeing that there was an issue.
Chakrabarti,
"....concern that antisemitism has not been taken seriously enough
in the Labour Party and broader Left for some years."

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Jul 16 - 04:59 AM

Of course it was a minority Jim, but it was still a serious issue for the party.
not according to me, but according to the entire NEC, numerous senior Labour figures and the Chakrabarti report.
Your denials were proved false.

Some time ago, it was recognised that there was a problem of Islamophobia in the Tory Party and demands were made for an enquiry

No, you just made that up.
There were claims that the London mayoral campaign used Khan's religion against him, but that was strongly disputed.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 25 Jul 16 - 04:54 AM

The issue has been dealt with promptly by the Labour Party, that was why the Chakrabati Report was commissioned and published.

It has also been covered on here.

Anything else.

I see Boris Johnson has been rebuked for blaming the Munich Shootings on Islamic Terrorists, the first of many occasions when he engaged mouth without first engaging brain I think.

I've said before I think he's been set up to fail, then Teresa May can get him out of politics altogether. Time alone will tell.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jul 16 - 04:29 AM

"So I was right and you were all wrong."
"of MINORITY A minority Keith - not a major problem, as you suggested
Some people really don't understand the difference between right and wrong - usually children
It seems some people don't understand the term MINORITY either
The report also listed a number of measures to deal with that MINORITY
Some time ago, it was recognised that there was a problem of Islamophobia in the Tory Party and demands were made for an enquiry
TORY ISLAMOPHOBIA
The Labour Party were pretty nifty in dealing with the MINORITY problem within their ranks - what's happening with your lot - anything?
Don't you think it should before it becomes a
NATIONWIDE PROBLEM
Lat's here it for the Tory Party's problems - your a great one for speaking up for the accused!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Jul 16 - 03:57 AM

Yoyr case was that there was a serious problem - no problem was found - you were wrong

The entire NEC and numerous high profile officials said there was a serious issue with antisemitism in the party.
Against that you denials just make you ridiculous.

Page 1 of the Chakrabarti report,
"there is too much clear evidence (going back some years) of minority hateful or ignorant attitudes and
behaviours festering within a sometimes bitter incivility of discourse. This has no place in a modern
democratic socialist party that puts equality, inclusion and human rights at its heart. Moreover, I have
heard too many Jewish voices express concern that antisemitism has not been taken seriously enough
in the Labour Party and broader Left for some years.
An occasionally toxic atmosphere is in danger of shutting down free speech within the Party rather
than facilitating it, and is understandably utilised by its opponents."

So I was right and you were all wrong.
Now the issues are intimidation, misogyny and homophobia.
Whither the Labour Party?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 05:02 PM

Yep. A pathetic, obsessive, one-track minded defective personality. His lot have just wreaked ruin on this country for generations via, games, lies and racism and all he can do is nit-pick about a few unguarded remarks from a handful out of half a million Labour members, a handful who have been dealt with in any case. Very sad. Very very sad.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 04:24 PM

We've been through this half a dozen times.
If a policeman knowks on my door and says I've been accused of doing away with with my neigbour it's a serious issue - for me, for the policeman, for all concerned.
It will be treated seriously by me, by the authorities, by all concerned and if it is found to be true, action will be taken.
This has been found to have no basis nd the Labour everybody has moved on - that is Keioth's problem - he wanted it to be true and when it was found to be unsubstantiated, he moved on to something else.
It's what he dos.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 03:20 PM

Spot on, Jim. Straightforward, honest posting from you versus twisted, contorted, agenda-laden spin and smears from Keith.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 03:11 PM

""The entire NEC recognises the seriousness of this issue .""
And you fail to recognise that any accuasation to any left (ish) political party is a serious issue - the seriousness lies in the accusation not the numbers of people who have been exposed as being Antisemitic -we've been through this
Simple test - how many people in the Labour Party have been discovered to be antisemitism in fact?
5 - 10 - 100 - 1000 -
If so, who are they.
So far, the charges of Antisemitism have been leveled at critics of Israel.
If this is not the case, what form does the Antisemitism take?
You said there is a serious problem - did the NEC cover it up when they decided that there was not a problem?
The two people who claim there is a significant number of party members who are Antisemites are right wing members of an Israeli propaganda organisation.
So:
How many Antisemites
Who are they - have they been expelled?
What exactly does that antisemitism take
Do you believe (alnog with Bobad, The Israeli Justice Minister, and the Israeli propaganda machine, that any criticism of Israel is antisemitic.
You are twisting words, dealing in half-truths and ignoring the fact that no significant problem was uncovered by the enquiry.
"That was my case all along."
Yoyr case was that there was a serious problem - no problem was found - you were wrong
You know you wwere wrone so you went and looked up something else and cae up with mysogyny
You are a right-wing, atrocity denying fanatic
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 02:49 PM

"Steve, as if anyone would defend racism in the party!"

Well why don't you bloody join it then. There was plenty of racism from your beloved Tories and UKIP (Boris, Gove and Nige) in the out campaign - "I'm centre-right" my arse. It was crypto-fascism and xenophobia being invoked...your crowd, Keith, unapologetic. My crowd are not having that stuff in our ranks thank you very much and we don't care if our fight against the very few bad apples goes public. It's called honesty. Look it up. It's a stranger to people like you.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 02:05 PM

Jim,
the tiny handful of possible cases does not add up to your claim that it was a major problem.

You are still in denial!
"The entire NEC recognises the seriousness of this issue ."

Steve, as if anyone would defend racism in the party!
Of course they all condemn it and claim to oppose it, but the NEC still said it was a "serious issue" for the party.

That was my case all along.
You denied it.
I was right.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 01:42 PM

Yes, well let me quote you some other snippets, Keith, to show how snippet-picking can be used (abused in your case) to show polar opposites. From the very same report:

Zero tolerance of anti-Semitism

Anti-Semitism has no place in the Labour Party and is contrary to everything we stand for. Jeremy introduced a new code of conduct for the party, which states:

"The Labour Party is an anti-racist party, committed to combating and campaigning against all forms of racism….Labour will not tolerate racism in any form inside or outside the party….Any behaviour or use of language which targets or intimidates members of ethnic or religious communities or incites racism, including anti-Semitism…or undermines Labour's ability to campaign against any form of racism, is unacceptable".

"...Many members of the NEC have backgrounds in fighting racism and inequality and are proud of Labour's traditional role in promoting equality and showing moral leadership on these issues. The NEC agreed that it is vital that Labour stands up for our values and our history as the party who fights for human rights and equality."

There now! Looks dead good now, doesn't it, Keith? Cor, who'd have believed it came from the same report that you are cherrypicking to smear Labour! Anyone can extract just the bits to suit their prejudices and that is exactly what you did and exactly what you do all the time. Dishonest, disreputable, busted, can't be trusted. That's you through and through.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 12:53 PM

"
Back then you all said that antisemitism was not a serious issue for Labour, and that I was making it all up."
You were
""The NEC are appalled by recent cases of anti-Semitic abuse."
Any antisemitism is apalling - the tiny handful of possible cases does not add up to your claim that it was a major problem.
You were not telling it as it was and an enquiry into the matter put the problem where it beloinged.
The truth is, you would have liked there to be a problem - you have yet to endorse the findings of the enquiry
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 12:46 PM

Back then you all said that antisemitism was not a serious issue for Labour, and that I was making it all up.

To prove you wrong I quoted, ""The NEC are appalled by recent cases of anti-Semitic abuse." and, "The entire NEC recognises the seriousness of this issue ."

That showed that you were all wrong and I was telling it how it was.
You were in denial, and I had it right.

Naz Shah now admits her antisemitism and ignorance.
You all supported her bile at the time.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 10:46 AM

"Never "discussed at length.""
Perhaps we believe it is of no significance
It has been put into context (far more important than a hastily grabbed cut 'n-paste) of what is happening in Britain which ahs been ignored by you
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 10:08 AM

The article was generally a constructive and harmonious piece of narrative which affirmed the party's robust position against discrimination. Keith plucked tiny bits out of it with the clear intention of communicating a sense of crisis which was completely absent from the article. It's what creationists and Jehovah's Witnesses do with the Bible. Like those people, Keith hopes we'll accept his spin and not bother to check. Same as he did in the Wheatcroft fiasco. Well he has another think coming.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 10:06 AM

A two month old article that has been quoted by me and ignored by all of you.
Never "discussed at length."
Not by any of you.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 09:56 AM

A two month old article that has already been discussed at length.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 09:46 AM

Rag,
You have already cited these two cases professors, more than once I think.

Yes, but some of you appeared to have forgotten them.
I did not quote out of context then or now Steve.
What a silly accusation Steve. So easy to refute by just linking to the article itself.
http://labourlist.org/2016/05/alice-perrys-nec-report-corbyn-fighting-prejudice-and-listening-to-voters-online/
Sorry Steve.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 09:20 AM

Bobad
No answer
re you claiming that all criticism of Israel is Antisemitic?
Don't expect an answer to this one either
"BBC 18 July,"
What's your point in putting the same quotes up over and over again
Where is your evidence of a serious problem recognised by "a large number of Labour Party members?"
Don't expect an answer to this one either
A matcehd pair of Trolls
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 09:04 AM

I'll say he's struggling. Wallowing in a mire of his own making of the obsessive need to blacken the Labour Party. Of course, misrepresentation and downright dishonesty, as ever, are the main weapons in his armoury. Still, with fiends like bobad, who needs enemas?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 08:48 AM

You have already cited these two cases professors, more than once I think.

Do you have anything else or are you struggling.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 08:32 AM

Good work Keith, the apologists are drowning in the evidence and becoming more and more desperate in their denial even as their party is coming clean.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 08:21 AM

You have completely misrepresented Alice Perry's report. You must think we're all so bloody stupid that we'll accept the word of Keith and not check the facts for ourselves. Well, Keith, we can read. The snippet you quoted above is completely out of context and you should be ashamed of yourself. You see, Keith, your reputation regarding this kind of shabby behaviour is such that you are always going to be checked up on.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 08:12 AM

BBC 18 July,
"The MP (Naz Shah)said that when she looked back she thought "how stupid I was and how ignorant I was".
"The truth is that some of the stuff I have since looked at and understood, I didn't know at the time," she said.
Ms Shah said she now understood the connotations involved in the words she used.
"The language I used was anti-Semitic, it was offensive," she said. "What I did was I hurt people and the language that was the clear anti-Semitic language, which I didn't know at the time, was when I said, 'The Jews are rallying.'"

"Ms Shah said she had been on a learning journey in recent months and had received "amazing compassion" from the Jewish community.
"I didn't get anti-Semitism as racism," said Ms Shah. "I had never come across it. I think what I had was an ignorance." "
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-36802075

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 08:03 AM

"Alice Perry's NEC report: Corbyn, fighting prejudice and listening to voters online
23RD MAY, 2016 3:22 PM"

"The NEC are appalled by recent cases of anti-Semitic abuse. Anti-Semitism has no place in the Labour Party and is contrary to everything we stand for."

" The entire NEC recognises the seriousness of this issue and is committed to addressing all the issues raised by these inquiries. "
http://labourlist.org/2016/05/alice-perrys-nec-report-corbyn-fighting-prejudice-and-listening-to-voters-online/

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 08:03 AM

"So, it's the fault of Jews that there's anti-semitism in the party."
There is antisemitism everywhere - the Israelis count any criticism of their policy as Antisemitism. as you do.
I defy you to provide one attack on the Jewish people on this forum, but every critiscism of Israel is, to you, Antisemitic.
I will donate £1000 to any organisation you name if you can produce an attack I have made on the Jewish people - you will find none, but you constantly accuse me, and all critics of Israel of being antisemitic
This is what identifies you as a cowardly troll.
The only Antisemite on Mudcat is you, who had Identified all crimes committed by Israel as "antisemitic".
So far, accusations of "antisemitism" in the Labour Party have overwhelmingly been related to criticism of Israel.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 07:56 AM

"So, it's the fault of Jews that there's anti-semitism in the party. I get it now, thanks for clearing that up."

Let me rephrase this for you, you twisting and turning little cheat. It's the fault of pro-Israel activists that there is a completely fake brouhaha over alleged antisemitism, which is actually nothing of the kind, in the party. You don't understand what people say in these threads and you are completely clueless as to what antisemitism is. Perhaps, unlike me, you haven't spent half your life fighting antisemitism and racism in schools and in trade unions. One of my best mates was killed fighting racism and he would have wiped the floor with scurrilous, wrong-headed, dishonest little brats like you. Jim's right. You are one of the most antisemitic people on this forum by a country mile.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 07:45 AM

The reality, Keith, is that the vast, overwhelming majority of the half-million-plus members of Labour are NOT antisemitic, NOT misogynistic, NOT bullies and NOT rapists. That's real-world reality, not Keith-reality. If you don't agree, give me a list of all those Labour members who have been found guilty of any of the above. Smearing, the favourite tactic of disreputable people such as yourself, is easy. Hard facts are a little more inconvenient of access, eh, Keith? Some come on. Name the names of the proven guilty. Their lawyers may be watching you. Piss or get off the pot just for once.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 07:43 AM

So, it's the fault of Jews that there's anti-semitism in the party. I get it now, thanks for clearing that up.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 07:25 AM

"No-one could accuse you of losing your grip on reality!"
And nobody can accuse you of responding to evidence with evidence of your own
Israel is spending millions on propaganda at the present in order to defend its ongoing human rights abuses and war crimes.
Its justice minister has described all criticism of Israel as "antisemitic"
Israel's modern history is scattered with the bodies of innocent civilians murdered by Israeli forces.
When are you going to respond to any of these, or are you just going to " only put Israel's case" (unquote).
You have been given the context of the Labour Party's problems, yet you still dredge up the same-old, same-old.
You claimed lots of people who were concerned about supposed Antisemitism in the Labour Party you came up with two pro- Israeli activists -the internal enquiry found none.
Respond to facts Keith, stop using cut-'n-pastes
There is a left/right struggle going on at present =- you have chosen your side - guess which one!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 06:29 AM

Bet he puts milk in his tea BEFORE the boiling water.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 06:26 AM

Guardian/Observer today,
" The root cause of the party's rolling crises is as easy to identify as a solution to its agony is hard to find. Labour has a leader who has totally lost the confidence of his colleagues in parliament. They fear that he is taking them on a trajectory that will end with the party's worst election collapse since the 1930s. The MPs do not have the backing of a large chunk of the party selectorate that picks the leader. Much of that selectorate is wildly unrepresentative of the voters that Labour must persuade if the party is to survive as a plausible opposition, never mind become a viable competitor for power."
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/24/jeremy-corbyn-labour-leadership-mutiny-desperation

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 06:19 AM

BBC,
The Wallasey Constituency Labour Party group (CLP) has been suspended following complaints of bullying and intimidation.
The Labour Party has launched an investigation into the allegations in former Labour leadership contender Angela Eagle's constituency.
The Wallasey MP said "bullying, intimidation, misogyny and homophobia have no place in the Labour Party".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-36848945

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 06:19 AM

He also keeps his unknown twin sister as an unpaid skivvy, she has to sleep in a box in the shed AND he's cruel to KITTENS !!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 06:14 AM

what's happening in the Labour party is a combination of a dirty tricks campaign by Israel to defend its human rights abuses, and a right wing coup by Labour party members.

Sure Jim.
No-one could accuse you of losing your grip on reality!

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 06:10 AM


How can confessions come from you when you're not even in it!

They don't come from me.
I just quoted Labour people, including 44 Labour women MPs.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 06:08 AM

"You two are losing your grip on reality if you deny that Labour is in a chaotic crisis."
British politics is in chaos following Brexit - what's happening in the Labour party is a combination of a dirty tricks campaign by Israel to defend its human rights abuses, and a right wing coup by Labour party members.
The Tories have lost a P.M. and the new one has administers a 'night of the long knives', splitting that party down the middle.
The economy has taken a severe whipping, as was forecast by economists and the country can now look forward to a long period of instability.
You first jum,med on the Israeli bandwagon, claiming a major problem of Antisemitism within Labour, made up a few facts about "great concern by large numbers of members, failed miserably and found another dead-horse to flog with the rightist claim of misogyny.
Just waiting to hear of the hoards of Labour members who are greatly concerned about the unstoppable tide of woman-hating within its ranks.
With you, when one bus has gone, there'll always be another one along in a minute.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 06:06 AM

Of course they are Steve.

Turn on BBC News Channel and see what the main story of the day is.
Did you see McDonald on Marr?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 05:10 AM

Seems now that MI5 are actually nobbling him as well.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 05:02 AM

Oh I forgot to mention that he's also rumoured to be a secret agent for MI5, the CIA and the KBG !!!!! and he pulls pints in a pub in Eccles on a weekend and doesn't pay tax on his earnings.