BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 05:24 AM

Don Froth, You can say almost anything you want, to discredit me, doubt me, deceive others, or discourage others from getting to the truth...but you still haven't produced one shred of evidence to back up your faulty premise! Mine still stand. Nice try!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Smedley
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 05:47 AM

Ake, I'm not convinced by your 'manic depression' theory, I'm afraid.   It's almost as if you think that sex with many partners is a symptom of illness rather than a choice (albeit a choice made, as all choices are, within constraints).

There are gay men with mental health issues, though my supposition has always been that prejudice against & victimisation of homosexuality play a very large role in that scenario. I don't think that even the most 'sympathetic' hetero can fully grasp what it is like living in a situation where simply being honest about a key part of who you are can lead to such damaging responses. Happily I don't face many of those hostilities in my current daily life, but I only have to read some of the comments in threads like these to know that prejudice is alive & thriving.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 08:14 AM

ToeRag, you are having a ball denouncing people with 20x your intelligence as 'stupid' today. Enjoy yourself, it'a a harmless occupation — for a self-styled ToeRag, ToeRag.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 09:47 AM

"The question of why so many gay men choose to put health concerns as a lower priority is the most difficult one to resolve"

or indeed heterosexual Girls and young women (see above)

and with that in mind we can say ... the rest of us too ...

... the answer? because we want to feel good and while a condom is so easy to put on, it is also so easy to forget to put on "because I was Drunk" or because "one thing led to another".

The only exception to this is Ake who went looking for a wife from day one (apparently) and never had more than one partner, and then only for procreative purposes.

GfS,


"Don Froth, You can say almost anything you want, to discredit me, doubt me, deceive others, or discourage others from getting to the truth...but you still haven't produced one shred of evidence to back up your faulty premise! Mine still stand. Nice try!"

Actually Gfs, for those of us with the ability to read and understand words and stuff, it is very clear that you have been making Slanderous assertions about Gay people and Don has been pointing out your lack of evidence to back them up.

"can be easily extrapolated by most people."

You mean as you insist on extrapolating, regardless of how scrutiny exposes that such conclusions are unsafe.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 11:00 AM

Smedley...The only prejudice I have is against death and suffering, and letting things go on as they are( the homosexual Aids figures rising steadily), will only increase that death and suffering.

Right from the start, my fight has not been against homosexuals, but the politically motivated people who wish to silence anyone who points out the Aids figures and demands a proper study

These people pretend to protect minorities, but in reality their politics and their party mean more to them than the lives of homosexuals....Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Paco O'Barmy
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 11:06 AM

Homosexuality was ILEGAL in England, and it should have remained so. For some reason, every chat show on TV now has to be hosted by a fey homosexual,what happened to the world??

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 11:14 AM

"Right from the start, my fight has not been against homosexuals, but the politically motivated people who wish to silence anyone who points out the Aids figures and demands a proper study"

Don't forget your assertions that Gay people are closet paedophiles who have no desire, much less ability to form meaningful relationships.

When questioned you have confirmed these views.

You have never denied them or rejected them.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Paco O'Barmy
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 11:17 AM

Homosexual men indulge in practises that revolt most ordinary people. Why will you never acknowledge the facts?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Smedley
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 11:27 AM

"Homosexual men indulge in practises that revolt most ordinary people. Why will you never acknowledge the facts?"

I am an ordinary person.

And a homosexual.

99% of the practices (such aromantic word) I indulge in can be, and are, indulged in by heterosexual couples.

Any more insightful contributions, Paco ??

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: theleveller
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 11:31 AM

"!Homosexual men indulge in practises that revolt most ordinary people. Why will you never acknowledge the facts? "

I'm absolutely amazed that some people are still living in the dark ages. You are obviously sexually repressed, Paco.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Amos
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 11:42 AM

Paco:

Projecting your own revulsions to make it appear "most" "ordinary" people are sharing them is a common error, but it is still an error. I think it is a form of denial-by-distribution. Put it everywhere, and it won't be noticed. But, ultimately, you have to answer for your own revulsions and prejudices. Why, for example, would you invest so much energy being revolted by something you are not doing, not required to observe, and which is none of your own business? Just asking...


A

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 11:43 AM

Ake & GfS.....

People of all sorts often pursue behavior that is dangerous or generally unhealthy! People overeat until they are morbidly obese: they smoke cigarettes, they drink way too much alcohol, they drive too fast (sometime after drinking too much), they climb cliff faces with no ropes...etc...
   But you seem to be putting sexual practices/inclinations into a separate category....and if I am reading between the lines correctly, you 'seem' to imply that homosexuality would be 'wrong' somehow, even if there were NO dangers involved!

*IF*, Ake, you really mean "The only prejudice I have is against death and suffering, and letting things go on as they are..", then all you should be concerned with is education about dangers, research into cures for HIV and counseling about **safe** sex...etc.; just like education about obesity, smoking, venereal diseases in general and alcoholism.

Sexuality is as powerful a force as there is: research done on monkeys showed that when electrodes were implanted which allowed the monkeys to stimulate the area of the brain controlling sexual pleasure, they would often forgo food in order to push the pleasure button!
We see heterosexuals also take chances, or just 'forget' to use reasonable care when desires drive them, and it is not really clear yet exactly why some people have better control than others. We DO know that in males, testosterone levels can be involved, and other hormone levels control a lot of sexual orientation.... we KNOW this, but you seem to wish to either deny this or ignore it as you cite 'statistics' in some attempt to paint homosexuality as 'chosen' and 'offensive'..(whether you use those words or not!)

People are different!! They don't all like the same kind of cake, they don't all like the same music, and they don't all have the same sexual orientation as YOU. There is more & more evidence that much of ALL orientations in life are influenced by brain chemistry and heredity. Why shrug about cake & music and fret about sex?

IF health is really all you care about, go volunteer to help with educational programs and donate to scientific reasearch!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 11:52 AM

Most sexual activities, viewed dispassionately, have their absurd and messy aspects — stains on sheets, grunts & groans & gasps & squeaks & squeals, odd jerky bodily movements... But aren't they nice?

Don't really know what of the sort homosexuals actually do because have had no such experiences [tho am working on perhaps acquiring some before I go, just to find out before I pass out — I'm in v late 70s but still sexually curious, & active up to a point tho a widower so having to do the best I can]. But what can it be, whatever it is, that makes people like Paco react with such negativity to just one aspect, when so much of such activity, hetero or homo or solo, manual or oral, 'specialist' or kinky or whatever, is, as I say, pretty bloody absurd & mucky anyhow!?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: mauvepink
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 11:56 AM

Don and Little Hawk....

Some people, it would seem, do not sleep easy in their bed if someone is miles away from then sleeping who just happens to be gay! ;-)

Smedley wrote: "The question of why so many gay men choose to put health concerns as a lower priority is the most difficult one to resolve". It is indeed BUT it's not just gay men is it? Straight men have a tendency to neglect their health too. Trying to get a man to go to the Doctor can be a labour of love when he is ill! Men are dying. literally, because they will not have 'normal' health checks, and anything to do with their genitals... forget it! So I actually think that is a male thing and not a gay male thing alone. Men do neglect themselves in my experience.

Each to their own lives taking what chances they take or not. It matters not a jot what sexuality someone is to me. I am always far more interested at what is between a persons ears, and in their hearts, than what is between their legs. Affording everyone the same initial respect - whereby only they themselves can change the meter up or down - generally works. What people do in their own time has nothing to do with me as long as they are not hurting me in its doing. Obviously, some things affect us all in a way that would mean us having to take notice if someone were hurting someone else but, generally, live and let live seems a reasonably good starting point with any encounter.

I still think education is a major leveller for things to do with hate, ignorances, homophobia, etc. Not everyone will stop the hate but many, once aware of true facts, do become more tolerant initially and then actually accepting. Even within the gay communities, and many other minority groups, there is misunderstanding, distrust and confusion.

We can live in hope for greater understanding and knowledge to bring about changed environments where everyone can have respect for each other.

I am a dreamer....

mp

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: mauvepink
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 12:27 PM

"Homosexual men indulge in practises that revolt most ordinary people. Why will you never acknowledge the facts? "

I have no idea what they get up to. I am not, nor do I want to be, 'ordinary' (whatever ordinary is). I am just me, with all sorts of interests in life, some of which could potentially shorten my life. I could use a capo in a C&W club and get lynched, for instance, or try and play my guitar without a safety net ;-)

I just drove home from work on a very busy, wet, dark and windy Motorway. Now that concentrates my thinking and warrants concern because it affects me.

TBH I could not give two hoots as to what gay men indulge in (if by practice you mean sex) as I am far more interested in all the other things thay are capable of that could actually increase my pleasures or interests, as with the other sexualities in our midst. I am not interested in what straight couples do in their own privavcy. Nor any combinations inbetween. People's sexual practices (being consensual and adult in nature) has nothing to do with me. I am too busy getting on with my own life and answering posts on Mudcat lol ;-)

mp

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 12:53 PM

"Homosexual men indulge in practises that revolt most ordinary people. Why will you never acknowledge the facts? "

We surely do acknowledge that many *ordinary* people are SO ordinary that they can't cope with differences! The real problem is with shallow, ignorant and insensitive 'ordinary' people! These are the people who condemn religions other than their own, political parties other than their own, cultures other than their own...etc.

If other people indulge in practices that do not affect ME, it is none of my business what they do. *IF* they try to coerce ME into joining their church, political party or sexual practices, then I will object loudly!

"Go thou, and do likewise."

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 01:08 PM

If you bozos had any idea what male Orangutans do when they are alone together, you wouldn't be so het up anymore about what gay men are doin', lemme tell ya!

DISGUSTING!!!!

I always put my gloves on before shakin' an Orangutan's hand. And I get the glove sterilized afterward. If I get in a fight with an Orangutan, I shower for three hours when I get home and I dose up on Vitamin C and hard liquor. You can't be too safe.

- Chongo

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 02:44 PM

""Aids is not a fucking joke Don!
It is deadly serious, especially for people who habitually take sexual risks, indulge in anal sex and lead promiscuous lifestyles.""

Nobody is laughing about aids Ake. Not even you are that stupid.

It is good, however, to see that you are at last acknowledging (however accidentally) that it is a disease which attacks people who take sexual risks, indulge in anal sex, and lead promiscuous lives, and not just gay men who do those things.

That, for you, is a major step toward recognition of the realities of life.

Now all we have to do is to get you to acknowledge that your post should read unprotected sex, and you will just about be on the right page.

This is really encouraging.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 02:57 PM

"Homosexual men indulge in practises that revolt most ordinary people"
I find people who kill animals for pleasure pretty revolting.
A couple of friends not far from here almost throw up at the thought of eating meat.
And don't get me started about eating oysters!!!!
Please explain 'ordinary people'
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: theleveller
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 03:00 PM

I just don't understand this fixation with other people's sexual proclivities. It seems to me to be unhealthily prurient, intrusive aand voyeuristic. Don't you gay-bashers have sex lives of your own? Presumably not if you're so interested in what other people get up to.

Sad!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 03:18 PM

""I want to LEARN why homosexuals are 50 times more likely to get Aids than heterosexuals. Is that being dogmatic?""

Glory be to the Great Pixie!....Akenaton wants to learn.

OK, well, if you take your statistical sample from the comparatively small enclosed communities in the Western United States, you won't get the same answers as if you ask the same questions on the African continent where it originated, and where they are under the impression that HIV/AIDS is very much a heterosexual thing.

That may have some bearing on the HUGE percentage of children who are victims in Africa.

I'm assuming that you will acknowledge that homosexuals are not responsible for children born with HIV/AIDS.

Also, without wishing to shatter your closed and shuttered illusions, a visit to a local nightclub on a Friday night might give you some surprising (to you) new information about the degree of heterosexual promiscuity which exists out here in the real world.

Scotsmen aren't usually that obtuse, in my experience.

Don T

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 03:37 PM

"I'm assuming that you will acknowledge that homosexuals are not responsible for children born with HIV/AIDS."

I'm not assuming anything ...

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 03:56 PM

I want to LEARN why homosexuals are 50 times more likely to get Aids than heterosexuals.

This is obviously not the case everywhere, in Ireland for example the fastest growing group of HIV infected are heterosexual, especially women. Intravenous drug user are strong risers too in the newly infected statistics while new infections among the homosexual community have remained stable.

In most of the Western countries the homosexual population was the first into which the virus was introduced. Hence the high infection rate. In Africa the infection started in the hetero sexual part of the population, and there it is still most prominent. Fairly basic stuff really, if you think about it.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 04:44 PM

Paco has a point, if any real heterosexuals among you were given the choice of being raped by a woman or a man....which would you chose, and which would fill you with horror!

Bill ..A nice post, wish I had time to discuss it at length with you.
I will tell you that I am involved with a group which provides information and services to heroin addicts....many are dying from hepc and many die from heroin and methadone overdose most of these lives could be saved if the govt had the will and provided proper funding, but as you probably know, helping addicts is not an electoral plus.

The important thing in dealing with homosexual practice is to stop the deaths and to do that a far ranging study into the negative medical aspects of homosexuality requires to be undertaken.

It may well be that some here will not like the recommendations of such a study...but who gives a fuck what the sort of numbskulls who have posted since my last message think, as long as thousands of lives can be saved.

PS I don't catagorise your good self,Smedley,Mr Obarma or Chongo, as numbskulls...Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 04:58 PM

"any real heterosexuals among you were given the choice of being raped by a woman or a man"

Oh fuck off! You have absolutely no clue about anything you pontificate on. Women are just as nasty and sadistic as men, they don't have cocks but they certainly have imaginations, as may be witnessed by all kinds of tabloid reported events.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: mauvepink
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 05:02 PM

Do you mind! I want my full title... a LIBERAL numbskull ;-)


The studies have been done and the recommendations made, of all non safe sex practices for all sexualities. The results have been known for some time. I think you will find they found there are negative medical aspects to all kinds of things sexual, for straight, gay or bi. The factual studies are not hard to find for anyone wanting to find them. Still...

I'll just sit and facepalm now as anything else I would want to say has been blugeoned out of me lol

mp

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 05:05 PM

As a woman, I'd "choose" to be raped by whomever got out of my spacve as past as possible.

I wonder what our resident anti-gay posters would prefer to be raped by? All man, or man with dick and titties? Double the "trauma" hey.. ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Amos
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 05:07 PM

In answer to the earlier puzzlement about the fixation on others' sexual proclivities and activities, I can only conclude it stems from a sorry uncertainty about one's own...


A

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 05:08 PM

Rape by penis is potentially more harmful and invasive than rape by lips or fingers, seems to me...but it's clear that either experience would be quite unpleasant for the recipient in both a physical and a psychological sense. Nevertheless, the possibility or likelihood of such an assault by a man (gay or otherwise) is tremendously higher than it is by a woman...and everybody knows that. It's completely obvious. It's like saying "You are more likely to drown in water than in sand." (and you definitely can drown in either)

The very nature of male sexuality, by virtue of the physical structure of males, is more aggressive, while the nature of female sexuality, again by virtue of the physical structure itself, is more receptive (or passive). That doesn't prevent some individual females from being aggressive, of course, nor does it prevent some individual males from being passive, but it definitely does color the general nature of their sexual actions to a considerable extent.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: mauvepink
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 05:16 PM

"... if any real heterosexuals among you were given the choice of being raped by a woman or a man....which would you chose, and which would fill you with horror!"

I suspect the question is somewhat irrelevant. What gender would the hetrosexual be? And rape is rape. Something else that is not a choice to the person being raped no matter their gender or sexual orientation.

I find the very idea perverse and repulsive anyone being raped by anyone, to answer part of your question.

mp

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 05:26 PM

So comforting having the (quite obvious) ignorance of inexperience isn't it little h? There are those amongst us who know different. Nothing is obvious if unknown. Women can use all kinds of things to rape. Imagination, like I said.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 05:26 PM

I would to some considerable extent prefer being raped by a woman than by a man if I was forced to make a choice between one or the other. But I still would not like it. And that is the plain truth, quite apart from poltically correct posturing to make sure that no one listening in here thinks (gasp!) that I might be homophobic!

To be branded as homophobic these days is pretty much like being accused of consorting with the devil back in 1550. It is to be avoided at all cost. This accounts for a great deal of the frenzied rhetoric one hears about it all the time.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 05:33 PM

Jim...We seem to have more in common than I thought.
The killing of animals for fun also revolts me.
Were you ever a member of the CP by any chance?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Ebbie
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 05:44 PM

"...if any real heterosexuals among you were given the choice of being raped by a woman or a man....which would you chose, and which would fill you with horror!"

Good god. What kind of question is that? (Why do I keep getting the feeling that there is a prurient aspect to a certain person's stance?)

Rape = force. Rape by broom handle or glass bottle or whatever/em> besides a penis would be far more horrendous, because it denotes a further twist to the attack; the chances of escaping alive would be seriously reduced.

Ake, I think you need to back off.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 05:50 PM

Sister and Hawk, I was of course referring more to the psychlogical trauma.
Your thoughts on "homophobia" are right on the button Hawk, to the extent that so called liberals are prepared to watch a minority decimated by disease, rather than criticise the lifestyle which causes the damage.

Sister...you seem rather a good example of the female type which you describe.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 05:55 PM

Lifestyle doesn't cause the damage. HIV does.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 05:59 PM

When it comes to my least favorite way to be raped, Ebbie...yes, I would prefer rape by penis to rape by broom handle, jackhammer, schmeisser submachine gun... or monitor lizard.

I think...

Hmmm. I gotta sit down and really give this some thought.

;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Ebbie
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 06:00 PM

"...so called liberals are prepared to watch a minority decimated by disease, rather than criticise the lifestyle which causes the damage."


In what way does criticizing the lifestyle help the minority?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don Firth
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 06:04 PM

I mention above about my college acquaintance, Tony, who was rather obviously gay, from time to time getting dragged into a back alley by a couple of "he-men" and beaten up.

GfS insists that homosexuality is a matter of free choice, and further, that it is a psychological aberration that can be cured by proper counseling. Ake has heartfelt concern for the detrimental effects on those who practice anal intercourse—along with the pedophilia which he tells us is rampant among homosexual men. Both seem to be insisting that homosexual activity is "unnatural" (despite the incidence of homosexual activity within the animal kingdom) and "a perversion" (which can be anything one finds distasteful), although, to be fair, neither go quite as far as those of a religious fundamentalist bent who insist the homosexuality is a mortal sin.

One wonders sometimes where all this earnest concern for the health and well-being of gay men leaves off—and veiled hate speech begins. One also wonders where this sort of thing can lead. Well. . . .

Without further comment:

On October 7, 1998, at the Fireside Lounge in Laramie, Wyoming, Russel Arther Henderson and Aaron James McKinney, both 21 years old, picked up Matthew Shepard, a college student and also 21, and drove him to a remote rural area where they robbed him, pistol-whipped and tortured him, then tied him to a fence and left him to die.

Some 18 hours later Aaron Kreifels discovered Shepard, after initially mistaking him for a scarecrow. Shepard was still alive, but in a coma.

Shepard suffered fractures to the back of his head and in front of his right ear. He had severe brain stem damage, which affected his body's ability to regulate heart rate, body temperature, and other vital functions. There were also a dozen lacerations around his head, face, and neck. His injuries were deemed too severe for doctors to operate. Shepard never regained consciousness and remained on full life support. As he lay in intensive care, candlelight vigils were held by the people of Laramie.

He was pronounced dead at 12:53 A.M. on October 12, 1998, at Poudre Valley Hospital in Fort Collins, Colorado.

Police arrested McKinney and Henderson shortly thereafter, finding the bloody gun as well as the victim's shoes and wallet in their truck.

Henderson and McKinney had attempted to persuade their girlfriends to provide alibis, but subsequently the two of them were convicted of kidnapping and felony murder. Each "copped a plea" to avoid a death sentence, and each of them was given two consecutive life sentences without possibility of parole.

Why had the two of them committed this vicious act?

Matthew Shepard was gay.

Don Firth

P. S. I couldn't find a video, but here are the words to a song recorded by Peter Paul and Mary. CLICKY

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Ebbie
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 06:04 PM

Little Hawk, it sounds like you are making light of it. Broom handles and glass bottles have often been used.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don Firth
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 06:12 PM

Pardon me, but I will add one comment to my post above. A question, actually.

In the incident I describe above, who of the three men was (were) the "pervert(s)?"

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 06:14 PM

I think Ebbie, that if forced to chose, most men would rather be raped with a broom handle than a penis!

Btw, if you had taken the time to read the thread, you would KNOW why the question was posed....and prurience had absolutely nothing to do with it. I will "back off" or as Sister says "fuck off" when I am good and ready and need no advice on how to conduct my self or my argument from either of you

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 06:20 PM

Let me re- phrase the question, would you rather be raped by a homosexual or subjected to attempted murder by a woman holding a broken bottle and about to insert it into your anus?

Fucking idiots!!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: TheSnail
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 06:35 PM

Isn't it the defining aspect of rape that you don't have a choice?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 06:37 PM

No.....they might be "liberals"

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Amos
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 06:38 PM

The issue is NOT rape in any case. That's just a red herring.

The issue, originally, was the brutalization of individuals in a minority by individuals in a majority as defined by sexual orientation.

Hetero men and women:

Have sex
May get AIDs
Increase the risk of STDs if uneducated or careless about them
Increase risk of STDs if they engage in anal intercourse
Only engage in anal intercourse in some cases, not in all.
Engage in oral sex.
Engage in manual sex.
Are allowed to define one another as spouses with concomitant legal priveleges such as survivorship, co-ownership, insurance, etc.

Homo men and women:

Have sex
May get AIDs
Increase the risk of STDs if uneducated or careless about them
Increase risk of STDs if they engage in anal intercourse
Only engage in anal intercourse in some cases, not in all.
Engage in oral sex.
Engage in manual sex.
Are not allowed to define one another as spouses with concomitant legal priveleges such as survivorship, co-ownership, insurance, etc.

Why is this logical?


A

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 06:41 PM

Yet another topic gets lost completely under the weight of Akenaton's desire to rule over the rest of the world's private lives.

Why don't you go and take over Uganda, Ake, they must be about ripe for another lunatic dictator.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: mauvepink
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 06:53 PM

Why would a homosexual rape a woman?

I suspect having a broken bottle put inside your anus or vagina (or used to cut your penis off) would be potentially immediately more life threatening than any organ being placed inside you, at least initially.

TBH, to rather have one thing or the other happen you would have to be a fu***** idiot... or very sick.

The argument you are making, using the example you have, is still irrelevant, sorry.

mp

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 06:54 PM

Don, as you know I dont normally respond to your shite, but when in the last few months have you posted any topic of any interest whatsoever?

If lunacy is a job requirement, then Don's yer man, you Ugandans!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 07:04 PM

"Why would a homosexual rape a woman?

I suspect having a broken bottle put inside your anus or vagina (or used to cut your penis off) would be potentially immediately more life threatening than any organ being placed inside you, at least initially.

TBH, to rather have one thing or the other happen you would have to be a fu***** idiot... or very sick.

The argument you are making, using the example you have, is still irrelevant, sorry"

Now this is a bit complicated MP.......See that thing ye dae wi yer hauns ower yer een.....is it "facepalm" ye ca'it?......Well ah think mibee yer meant tae tak yer hauns away an read the threid afore ye start typin' doll.   :0)