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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,999 Date: 02 Dec 09 - 12:41 AM Some here. Takes a few seconds to load. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,Goose Gander Date: 02 Dec 09 - 12:57 AM Well, I've found some stuff about 'The Family',an alleged 'Christian' organization that supposedly has funded the Ugandan politician that introduced the legislation. And the cowardly Rick Warren has refused to condemn the proposal. Absolutely noxious, this should be fought tooth and nail. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Backwoodsman Date: 02 Dec 09 - 03:17 AM Well spoken, Jack The Sailor and Lox. Truly, they are words of wisdom. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Jim Carroll Date: 02 Dec 09 - 03:37 AM "It could mean that someone feels uncomfortable...." Thanks Lox - something to think about. Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,Lox Date: 02 Dec 09 - 04:48 AM ""It could mean that someone feels uncomfortable...." Thanks Lox - something to think about." No - it couldn't mean that someone feels uncomfortable. That isn't what tolerance means. But in many diffferent contexts, such as where people disagree, or where people have different ways of doing things - like washing up ... tolerance can mean "being accepting and respectful of how others are different to you." A classic example might be a married couple who get on 90% of the time but are 10% incompatible. It could be that a common source of tension is the manner in which the dishes are washed. I do it one way and you do it another. If both are intolerant of the differences then they might end up bickering and falling out. If they learn to tolerate each others differences then they will probably succeed as a couple. A gay couple might learn to tolerate each others differences. A woman might tolerate the flirtatious habit of a close male friend - or vice versa. We are all different and there are some people who instinctively feel uncomfortable about homosexuals and homosexuality. I consider myself lucky for not being afflicted by any such handicap. But I don't judge anyone who is. I do react strongly when people decide that they have the right to Judge homosexuals, when misinformation is peddled about homosexuals and I stand up to people who would like to limit the civil rights of homosexuals and victimize homosexuals. By "tolerate" we do not only have to mean "put up with" which is how you are understanding it. A tolerant society is one where those who disagree or are instinctively incompatible with homosexuals learn to be respectful of their civil rights and accepting of their place in society and learn to coexist peacefully in the workplace and elsewhere with gay colleagues etc. It is unrealistic to expect everyone to be friends with everyone all of the time. That's where the notion of cultural and political tolerance come in. You asked "Is it a crime?" Society doesn't tolerate crimes. It does tolerate my point of view and yours and it tolerates both our sexual orientations too regardless of what they might be. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Penny S. Date: 02 Dec 09 - 05:34 AM Bear in mind that the law also includes a three year prison sentence for anyone who becomes aware of a male homosexual or a lesbian and does not inform the authorities within 24 hours. So if you are not prepared to turn someone in for death, you have to face a punishment yourself. Heaven help any Ugandan Underground Railroad. The death penalty does have limits on it, apparently. It is for people who have had a relationship with an underage person of the same sex, have relationships when they know they are HIV positive, and one other case which escapes me, but probably includes force or non-consensual sex. Part of the arguments about it concern the idea that homosexuals groom a child from a school and promise them rewards for "converting" another child, and "once two children have gone, the whole school is lost". There is a strong idea that homosexuality is a learned or chosen behaviour, and not inborn. But even so, it is appalling, and that it should be derived in the first place from British colonial law, and now American interference, is more so. Penny |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,Steamin' Willie Date: 02 Dec 09 - 06:09 AM Religious fundamentalists don't do themselves any favours. In fact, they don't do religion in general any favours. You read something like this and end up thanking god you are not religious...... I must say, I am always waiting hopefully for influential religious leaders such as the Pope or Archbishop of Canterbury to say "not in my name." They are too busy sorting out who owns the bigots to worry about how their clubs affect real people.... This Ugandan thing? Disgusting that these so called christians are aiding and abetting what would be illegal in their own country. Here in The UK, you can be prosecuted for crimes abroad. If the Ugandan government execute anybody, the happy clappers should by any moral code I can think of be guilty of aiding and abetting murder. If anybody can find anything in the Bible that says homosexuality is wrong, the answer is simple. The bible is wrong, irrelevant and can we please move on..... There is no god in any sense that man has described, and these fundamentalists from Dumbfuckistan are criminals with a disturbing mental health issue. (A church should be a place of sanctuary, not sanctimony.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Backwoodsman Date: 02 Dec 09 - 06:15 AM Well said again, Lox. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,Dodger Date: 02 Dec 09 - 06:51 AM Death penalty for American Evangelical missionaries. might be a better idea. who has proof of god? the devil a care. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,Dodger Date: 02 Dec 09 - 07:46 AM All males are born as females, has that something to do with it? the devil a care. eat the rich. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,Dodger Date: 02 Dec 09 - 08:38 AM I mean females in the Womb |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Donuel Date: 02 Dec 09 - 10:26 AM This is the book and the author who has uncovered the C Street evangelical links to Uganda and other foreign policy fiascos. http://www.amazon.com/Family-Secret-Fundamentalism-Heart-American/dp/0060559799 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: ToeRag Date: 02 Dec 09 - 11:09 AM Would the world not be a better place without religion |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Backwoodsman Date: 02 Dec 09 - 11:26 AM It might possibly be a better place without religion. It would not be a better place without Faith. One is not necessarily the same as the other. IMHO. YMMV. :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Jim Carroll Date: 02 Dec 09 - 12:18 PM "It would not be a better place without Faith." Totally agreen, as long as 'faith' doesn't have to be religious faith. Am happy to have faith in my fellow humans - politicians, businessmen and bankers and clergymen excepted! Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Donuel Date: 02 Dec 09 - 12:53 PM faith to me is trust There is nothing we can totally trust, not the sky, not the earth beneath our feet and not always our fellow man. But ya still gotta trust somthing or someone somtimes. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Jim Carroll Date: 02 Dec 09 - 01:08 PM Donuel I trust you had a pleasant day? Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: MGM·Lion Date: 02 Dec 09 - 01:21 PM Am happy to have faith in my fellow humans - politicians, businessmen and bankers and clergymen excepted!>>> Come come, Jim — that's - er - well, - er - not racist or sexist or ageist: bit it sure·as·hell IS somethingist! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: ToeRag Date: 02 Dec 09 - 01:47 PM Can we trust that there is a God |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Bill D Date: 02 Dec 09 - 01:51 PM Except for odd little attempts by a minority to do something like pass this law, Uganda is one of the better run and more progressive countries in the area. ( I know a woman who spent a number of months there working with the govt. as they try to modernize.) As more information comes out, it begins to look like this proposed law would never have been put forth without the 'guidance' of some of the American evangelicals...such as "The Family". The seeds of hate were planted and nourished in complex ways...but we KNOW the justification for this law come from a twisted understanding of Christian theology. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,mauvepink Date: 02 Dec 09 - 02:37 PM "Would the world not be a better place without religion"? No No more than the world would be a better place without homosexuals. Or that the world would be better without, say, folk music! Religion in itself is not bad. It's just a different way of living Homosexuality is not bad. It's a different way of loving. Neither are practiced by everybody and neither would suit everybody, obviously, but that is no excuse for not accepting those those that do. The major difference, as I see it, is that one can choose to be religious and which religion one follows. Homosexuality is not a choice. It is 'merely' one form of innate sexual behaviour, not just in humans, but in many other animals. One that, in humans, can be intenseley loving as anything experienced by heterosexuals. Surely to love someone, each other, and ourselves, is all a part of the human condition and is far better than hating. I am not talking about just sexual love here but the love of a person in all it's forms. Love is also at the centre of what Christianity surely is about? God so LOVED the world that he sent his only begotten Son, Jesus Christ....". And Jesus said "A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another". Jesus said "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends". Love, love, love... no mention of hatred and killing each other over sexuality that is not a choice. Jesus message was one of love and forgiveness, not hate and condemnation, and I never read anything issuing from his mouth that suggested we should judge anyone. Life, with all its complexities and diversities, is so rich and wonderfully challenging that there is room for everyone as long as they are not hurting others. Religious or not, when we challenge love we challenge the very thing that might just seperate us from the other animals.... love, spirituality, and the ability to put things right that have been wrong for a long time. Sorry to have 'gone on' but, in my humble opinion, there are far worse things to fear than homsexuality going on in our world. Live and let love. mp |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Jim Carroll Date: 02 Dec 09 - 03:00 PM "it sure·as·hell IS somethingist!" How about establishmentist - where do I sign? Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Backwoodsman Date: 02 Dec 09 - 03:10 PM Correct on all points, mauvepink. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Ebbie Date: 02 Dec 09 - 05:36 PM "There is nothing we can totally trust, not the sky, not the earth beneath our feet and not always our fellow man. But ya still gotta trust somthing or someone somtimes. " Did the sun rise this morning? You think it might come up again tomorrow? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Penny S. Date: 02 Dec 09 - 05:50 PM Mauvepink, great. I'm just watching an episode of Lewis in which the plot hinges on the strife between religious rules and the love of homosexuals, with the message "Love is never wrong". It seems to me that the people who take the view of the fundies on homosexual love don't know love when they see it. It is quite worrying to think that they cannot think of any sort of sex without stripping it of love - and the attitudes of those who espouse celibacy and abstinence and impose restrictions on others' expression of love whether hetero or homo tend to back this up. Penny |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,Steamin' Willie Date: 03 Dec 09 - 04:35 AM I reckon Mauvepink does have a point. (In the abstract, but let's not get picky.) However, and please, anybody, help me understand this; If I felt so strongly about a religious creed and genuinely believed the unambiguous message of love, forgiveness, turning the other cheek and reaching out to those we don't understand... I reckon I would be at the forefront of demanding that "leaders" of my faith denounce fundamentalist hijackers of the message, and would have huge problems being associated with the institutional bigotry; not only this extreme example but the softer ones such as vicars wanting to take communion with Catholics because their brand of homophobia and lack of women doing the job suits some so called representatives of the "good news." You see, whilst ever religions can ignore equal rights legislation (that should affect their status as charities and as employers) I have HUGE issues with them trying to give society a steer. I really do. Mind you, I can't be a hypocrite. Even if they did join the 21st Century, I don't need an abstract concept to give me a moral steer. I watched David Attenborough's Life series and was fascinated by the altruism and community based behaviour of other animals, such as insects, reptiles, fish, furry mammals and even microscopic organisms. Some of which have never heard a sermon or read the bible...... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Joe Offer Date: 03 Dec 09 - 05:23 AM I'm a lifelong Catholic, and I've worked in the Catholic Church all my life - so I know the situation in the American Catholic Church quite well. Despite the official stand against homosexual sex, most priests and nuns I know are very sympathetic to the concerns of homosexuals. And it seems to me that most Catholic lay people and bishops have attitudes that are far more rigidly opposed to homosexuals. Many Catholic priests and nuns aren't particularly pleased about the idea of anti-homosexual Anglicans joining the Catholics. It's a dilemma that's not as easily resolved as one might think. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: ToeRag Date: 03 Dec 09 - 07:01 AM If God did not exist... would we be having this conversation about Uganda, debating a law which would criminalise homosexuality, including the death penalty in some circumstances. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: MGM·Lion Date: 03 Dec 09 - 07:05 AM Sorry Toerag - cannot begin to understand the point you are making. Could you perhaps expound it a little further & with more clarity? Why should the fact that we are having this conversation in any way presuppose or indicate the existence of the Deity in whom it appears you believe but I don't? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: ToeRag Date: 03 Dec 09 - 07:19 AM No god no American Evangelical missionaries. so God seems to be the problem. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: MGM·Lion Date: 03 Dec 09 - 07:39 AM I think you are metaphysically confused TR — the problem is not God as such, but the question as to the actual existence of such an entity. But I leave this topic now as my head begins to spin. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,Steamin' Willie Date: 03 Dec 09 - 08:08 AM ToeRag does make one interesting point. God does exist. As a concept. Descartes said "I think, therefore I am." So in that sense god does exist. God exists as ever, as an instrument for helping the few domineer the many. T'was ever thus. I reckon that if you got rid of religion, you would have to invent it anyway. Look at the countries where religion was banned. It was banned so it didn't compete with the state system to gain the same end. ie., fodder for the masses. ToeRag isn't quite so accurate with the idea of no god, no missionaries. We would have missionaries, but their role would be pushing state propaganda. About time these idiots from the bible belt (aka Dumbfuckistan) realised that the vast majority of people may not be able to say whether there is a god or not, but at least most people know the so called moral code extracted from scripture is flawed, irrelevant and in places downright disgusting. (ie the cause of debate in this thread.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: ToeRag Date: 03 Dec 09 - 08:46 AM My point is, God does not exist, so no need for the bible belt. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: olddude Date: 03 Dec 09 - 10:12 AM What amazes me is people think this has something truly to do with Religion, It doesn't It has to do with hate and the masks evil people use to divided and spread their hate. Your hatred for people of faith makes you a victim falling into their hands. Painting with a broad brush to generalize people without the least bit of understanding what faith is. Hitler was very successful in convincing the whole of Germany that all evils that befell the German people were cause by the Jews. Use whatever popular mask to spread the hate. That is what hate does. Church groups that do amazing wonderful things, never get the press never, only the hate groups that use the false label of Christian get the press so everyone like many here can blame and generalize the "Christians" are the cause of it all. And many of the TV guys get their evil press by preaching hate knowning nothing of God. True Christian people are easy targets ... and it amazes me how so many people buy into the message without the least bit of understanding. Go ahead and label, but from my perspective. If you wish to make a true change in the world, if you want to make life better for everyone. Do what I try to do every day. "FIND THE HATE THAT LIVES IN OURSELVES" WHATEVER THAT HATE MAYBE AND GET RID OF IT. then and only then can we try to remove the hate from others. Hate is in all forms, people who say the immigrants are taking our jobs, the minorities are crossing over to take our land. Yada yada, all hate all of it wrong, now it is the Christians are trying to kill people .... fact is evil is evil pure and simple, any means especially popular ones will be used to justify evil |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Penny S. Date: 03 Dec 09 - 12:47 PM There is a piece in New Scientist today about some research carried out in America on how people perceive the ideas held by God as compared with those they have themselves, those held by other Americans and a few other groups. These ideas were selected from a variety of topics, but I expect you can guess which ones. What happened was that it turned out that those researched felt that God had the same opinions they did, while these might diverge from those held by the other groups. The researchers then asked the subjects to develop an argument in favour of the opposite view from that they held themselves, for instance on the death penalty. They found that the subjects tendeed to change their own view on the subject, but also believed that God's opinion was different, while that they attributed to others had not changed. Which means that, unless it is possible to get the proponents of the death penalty to argue against it, there isn't a hope in the hot place of getting them to accept that God does not want death for his children, or that they are not the real Christians. They will see those who oppose them as the not Christians. Penny |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: ToeRag Date: 03 Dec 09 - 01:44 PM Gays Won't Go to Heaven: Cardinal, IslamOnline.net & Newspapers . http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?c=Article_C&cid=1258880717525&pagename=Zone-English-News/NWELayout |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: mauvepink Date: 03 Dec 09 - 01:52 PM Dear God, please confirm what I believe THAT is not only interestering but also frightening. It is also the third most popularly read article on "New Scientist" " today Interesting in that I have found whenever I try to reason an omnipotent, loving God should be able to "do this, see that, help this, avoid that" I get told not to try and figure the mind of God. I am reminded I am human and can have no understanding of God's great plan. Frightening because if people create God's laws "in their own image", so to speak, then is boils down to using God as a scapegoat for evil doings, thereby never having to take responsibility for wrongful, terrible actions. Forgiveness, therefore, is all about who you can blame the bad act upon and, if it's God, then how can we possibly understand? My simple brain now hurts so I am going out to listen to some great live folk music courtesy of a local Folk Club! mp |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: ToeRag Date: 03 Dec 09 - 02:12 PM Whether a Christian, Jew or a Hindu, Muslim, being more devout to one's religion makes him/her more opposed to homosexual practices, So no God means homosexuals are safe. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,astro Date: 03 Dec 09 - 03:39 PM This religious discussion is very tired and old...and not important, what is important is the idea of countries imposing death penalties upon life style issues and should not only be opposed by individuals but also opposed (more importantly) by governments. Aid, trade, allowed travel from these countries should be stopped until these laws are dropped. The whole purpose of this thread was not to show a concern for the gay Ugandans, but rather to impose a red herring to draw out those who hate religion (Christianity for certain) and those who may support such hideous laws. To me, a man of faith and a scientist, this is a tawdry method of discussion and is pretty sad. In all arenas, science or religion or business or politics or sports or..., you will find people of low opinion or ethics. To paint all in any arena by the lowest common denominator is just plain wrong and points to an agenda. I know that in science, there are no good reasons to point to any population for special punishments while in religion I do know that when asked, Christ noted the greatest commandment was to love God with all you heart and soul and then closely the second greatest commandment was to love you neighbor as yourself. Those who cry Christ, Christ are not necessarily ones who follow Christ. You can tell by their actions. Calling for hate is a sure sign that they are not. So, get the focus right, there are those out there who are suffering and those who want to make them suffer. Help those who are suffering and oppose those who want to make them suffer. It is simple as that, any other discussion is just smoke and blows away....and points that in truth they really don't care about those who are suffering...only to win the point. Which, in fact, was the whole agenda in the first place. astro in LA |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: olddude Date: 03 Dec 09 - 03:40 PM The new testament is a book of unrestricted, compassion, hope and love, anyone calling themselves Christian or people of faith that don't see it are following a church leader, a false path, and not the teachings. One passage that sums it all up words of Jesus " when you do to the least of my breathrens you do it to me" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: olddude Date: 03 Dec 09 - 03:51 PM Astro makes an excellent point, I would suggest that everyone that is in the USA write Hillary and let your voice be heard via the gov website. Hillary is a good person and good soul. Others contact your state departments. If you want a direct path PM me but you will need to include your full contact info and phone. I can get it to her direct. It is only when good people say enough that this stuff can be over come. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: MGM·Lion Date: 03 Dec 09 - 04:03 PM "should not only be opposed by individuals but also opposed (more importantly) by governments. Aid, trade, allowed travel from these countries should be stopped until these laws are dropped.">>> writes Astro above. An attractive argument; but it has always been a principle in diplomacy among nations that 'internal affairs' must be left to develop as the governments concerned see fit. We continue to maintain diplomatic relations & to trade with, e.g., SaudiArabia, who stoned a Princess [no less] to death for adultery not long since; regularly publicly amputate the hands of thieves; publicly flog blasphemers & fornicators of both sexes; behead those who abandon the faith··· Governments, by longstanding convention, do not interfere or sanction in such instances. How shall Uganda's proposed new laws be treated any differently without invidiousness? This is not to imply that I don't think their proposals appalling. I do. But it seems to me that the situation is not as simple as many might wish, & these points need to be made. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Lox Date: 03 Dec 09 - 04:06 PM "Descartes said "I think, therefore I am." So in that sense god does exist." er ... nearly ... What he actually said was that after he had stripped away all the things which he couldn't assert to be true with 100% surety, (i.e anything perceived by his senses) all that was left was his mind. "I am; I think" Was the only thing he could not find grounds to doubt. He does not argue that talking about the notion of himself makes him exist, he points out that at the end of his discourse, he is left with "I In all cases, as long as I This has no bearing on any external thing such as God. He did try to go on to argue that God exists, but not on those grounds. His thoughts and observations require the existence of "I" to occur. "I think God exists" is not subjective to God but is still subjective to "I". Likewise with "I talk about God and therefore cause the idea of him to exist" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Paul Burke Date: 03 Dec 09 - 04:19 PM The whole purpose of this thread was not to show a concern for the gay Ugandans, but rather to impose a red herring to draw out those who hate religion (Christianity for certain) and those who may support such hideous laws. No it wasn't (I should know). It was to show concern for gay Ugandans, and hopefully to draw enlightened Christians to oppose the vile machinations of their supposed co- religionists. What it did, sadly, was to expose the raw nerve and drive some people into denial. As I pointed out earlier, thinking Christians have more in common with atheists than with certain varieties of fundamentalists. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: ToeRag Date: 03 Dec 09 - 04:25 PM Is this God talking those who feel homosexual impulses "perhaps aren't guilty, but by acting against the dignity of the body they will certainly not enter the Kingdom of Heaven." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Lox Date: 03 Dec 09 - 04:50 PM Paul, your OP insinuates that Homophobes and Christians are synonymous terms. If that was not your intention it could be a good idea to clarify that point and to apologize to those christians who are not homophobes who may have been offended or hurt by their reasonable inferrence of your motives. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: akenaton Date: 03 Dec 09 - 04:51 PM Astro .....I've been reading all the bullshit and cosy rhetoric about different ways of living and loving, how homosexuality is genetic not behavioural and how its not really sexual at all, but just pure luuuuve, like we used to see in the movies. I wasn't even going to bother to respond to the "feelgood sisterhood" but when I read your post I saw sincerity and clear sightedness. I agree with your thoughts on this thread and the agendas of many who have posted here. I also agree that we should be putting our efforts into helping those who suffer, not punishing them. To start helping to solve a problem, it is important to understand that there is a problem to begin with. People like mauvepink and others here, see any discussion of homosexuality and its place in our society as bigotry, but blinding ourselves to the problems associated with homosexuality is much worse, it condemns homosexuals to the lifestyle they have at present.....horrendous health and life expectancy statistics, promiscuity figures which point multiple sexual partners and a statistical link to child abuse, in the surveys on child abuse in the Catholic church. These are real problems which need to be addressed in the way homosexuals in Los Angeles are dealing with the dreadful link to hiv/aids, facing up to the figures,accepting that there is a problem and attempting to find out why the problems exist. No sane person wants to see fellow humans suffer, no matter what their sexual practices are and closing our eyes to what is actually happening around us helps no one. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 03 Dec 09 - 05:01 PM ""Whether a Christian, Jew or a Hindu, Muslim, being more devout to one's religion makes him/her more opposed to homosexual practices, So no God means homosexuals are safe."" Sorry ToeRag, but that's the biggest blooper you've managed yet. Are you seriously saying that all gay bashers are religious zealots, and there are no atheists who oppose homosexuality? What planet are you from? There is no logical connection between the Ugandan situation an religion per se. This is entirely about fundamentalism (with the accent on the "mental"), bigotry, and hatred. None of these are related to genuine religious feeling, but spring from an intense loathing of the "different, the "other". Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Lox Date: 03 Dec 09 - 05:11 PM I take a deep breath and think "OK, lets give this a chance. Then I read: "promiscuity figures which point multiple sexual partners" Promiscuity being limited to Gay People of course ... ... and in "straight" clubs all over the country the boys and girls are all dropping down on one knee and proposing Marriage to their one and only sexual partber for life (only after marriage of course) and are all forming long nurturing relatonships with a view to procreating and getting a family going to which they are remaining loyal and faithful ... "a statistical link to child abuse" Because all Homosexuals are closet paedophiles. Besides which, the statistics referred to only show that if you intend to interpret them to show that from the outset. In fact they show something else, as was clearly pointed out in a previous thread, with no contest from the statistician who posted them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: akenaton Date: 03 Dec 09 - 05:21 PM Are you for real? Have you actually read the CDC homosexual promiscuity figures? Child abuse....81% to 19%? Do you think I take any pleasure in quoting the figures for new Aids cases, promiscuity,etc? If you do, you are indeed a lost cause! |
