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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Don Firth Date: 07 Dec 09 - 07:17 PM Ake, your obsession with anal sex has now escalated to an obsession with anal rape—with a whole variety of implements. Let me make a suggestion: Step out into a motorway, lift your kilt, moon (altogether, now!) "a bonny army lorry," and try to entice it to drive up your exit ramp. That oughta be quite a thrill for you! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,999 Date: 07 Dec 09 - 07:18 PM Gentlemen, breathe deeply. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: akenaton Date: 07 Dec 09 - 07:25 PM Amos....I like your wee lists, very neat n'tidy. But you've missed one wee tiny detail to the homosexual one "are 50 times more likely to develop aids than heteros" Jist tryin' tae be helpful, 'ken. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: mauvepink Date: 07 Dec 09 - 07:28 PM You said... "Let me re- phrase the question, would you rather be raped by a homosexual or subjected to attempted murder by a woman holding a broken bottle and about to insert it into your anus?" With an emphasis on "would YOU rather", and me being female, I am saying why would a homosexual [male]* want to rape a woman? Any woman? As you know, I have been on the thread throughout so have been reading. * my brackets I am having great trouble understanding your premise and where it is coming from or going to. The example you are using, at least to me, is irrelevant, as it has nothing to do with original thread and it's continuing support from most of acceptance for gay people. Demonising them will not actually make the argument any more or less valid. In short I do not understandit because I am not worrying about what gay people want to do. I accept they are gay through no choice of their own and they have a right to live as you and I, free and without prejudice. If they choose to risk their lives, along with the straight and bi sections of the community, by unsafe practices, then that is their own decision. Being gay is not a decision. This is not liberalsim, politically motivated, or agenda driven other than to accept the diversity that is human nature. Your argument appears to stand against just gay men. IF the argument was to be to try and educate and stop the sexual carnage that is going on with promiscuity for all sexualities, I would agree with you far more. Indeed, I advocate safe sex for everyone in any case. Where you and I seem to differ, and others on this thread, is that we do not see it as a gay issue. We really must agree to disagree akenaton as we do seem to be on very opposite sides. I am not willing to name call to make any other points. People can have their opinions. I would like to think mine are based on experience and research as I know it. I simply cannot go along with your argument... though I did read the last sentence of your post to me (in whatever dialect it was written in it was understandable with a little practice). It's not complicated. It's just that we disagree and I fear that will remain the case on this topic. And now I must go to bed as I have work in the morning and I am up later than I should be. Good luck with your postings mp |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,999 Date: 07 Dec 09 - 07:31 PM "are 50 times more likely to develop aids than heteros" That's just not true, Ake. That info comes from a fundamentalist "christian" website. Notice I didn't capitalize christian. The fifty times more likely crap is just that. Fact is, people who have unprotected sex are a 1,000,000 times more likely to 'develop' AIDS than those who abstain or use condoms, be they gay or straight. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,999 Date: 07 Dec 09 - 07:34 PM Speaking of foreign objects lodged in one's nether regions-- , it's going to be difficult to dial 911 (999 for the UKers), imo. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Amos Date: 07 Dec 09 - 07:37 PM 999--that depends on your degree of sphinctral prehensility, no? A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,999 Date: 07 Dec 09 - 07:40 PM If you're thinking along the lines of elephants' trunks, and if you can do that, you're the eighth wonder of the world, and you'll have shagged yourself in the process. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: akenaton Date: 07 Dec 09 - 07:48 PM Sorry 999....the figure comes from CDC who quote 53% of all new aids cases are within the homosexual community. Homosexuals make up 2-3% of the population, so the "fifty times" figure can be extrapolated from the two percentages But I'll say no more about it if you don't mention fag jokes!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Lox Date: 07 Dec 09 - 07:49 PM I know, lets idly speculate, in vivid technicolour, all the possible ways a man or woman might rape somebody. How about with a broken bottle? Or a broom handle? No actual examples, just creative self indulgence. Ake, you have a serious and really sickening problem. I find you repugnant and revolting in the extreme. LH, I have enjoyed some of your posts over the years, but your intellectual ego and the self satisfied pseudo-philosophical nothings that you yawn all over us in these kind of discussions are starting to grate on my nerves. How horrific to indulge Ake's "horror" fantasy in such a blithe and carefree way. I've been wondering how long it would take before Ake stopped repeating unsubstantiated assertions and started rinsing his morbidly descriptive and vivid imagination again of all its darkest imagery. We've had it in previous threads, where he has taken us in glorious detail through his fascination (and of course disgust .... he just loves to feel that disgust) with the image of two men having sex with each other. He asks us when we'll admit that this is all about Anal sex and promiscuity. I'm starting to see that that is true. And now you are regaling us with descriptions of rape fantasies. Did these events occur? NO! Then where did they come from? your imagination - that's where. They are fantasy. Your fantasy. Your whole argument is based on fantasy and when given the chance you just love to describe that fantasy in all its horrific glory. Would I rather be raped by a man or a woman?!?!?!?!?! WTF?!?!?!?!?! Tell me Ake, does it disgust you how all these gay men (closet paedophiles) abuse their victims too? "Would you like me to draw any pictures?" No thank you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Jim Carroll Date: 07 Dec 09 - 07:53 PM This discussion really has hit sewer level, especially since Ake appears to have found himself another soulmate after the last one rode off into the sunset (one more time - "ordinary people Paco?). I also suggested that Ake and 'guest from Sanity' were peddling the same fundamentalist 'Christian' line on homosexuality that enabled clergymen to rape generations of children, and received no reply - did I hear the cock crow three times Ake? Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Amos Date: 07 Dec 09 - 07:56 PM Why isn't that true in Africa, then, Ake? Doesn't that disparate curve make you ownder whether you are distorting the problem with an exclusive sample? According to your math, then, for 1000 humans, 250 will be gay and they will get as many cases of aids as the other 750. If there are one hundred cases that means they will get fifty (a one in five (.2) chance for any individual) and the other 750 people will get 50? For a chance of .06 compared to .2. Meaning the multiplier is not 50 but a little over three. I suspect your combining per centages is fallacious, mathematically. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: gnu Date: 07 Dec 09 - 07:58 PM Oh my.... I shant be back. Beyond trolling... into sickening. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Lox Date: 07 Dec 09 - 08:04 PM "who gives a fuck what the sort of numbskulls who have posted since my last message think, as long as thousands of lives can be saved." So now you're really just helping the poor Gays. Don't you think they're closet paedophiles anymore? You'd be better off writing a book of sexual fantasies. I think it is pretty clear where your niche would lie. Though I suspect you'll come up with a lot more creative ideas for your niche than I ever could. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: akenaton Date: 07 Dec 09 - 08:07 PM "I know, lets idly speculate, in vivid technicolour, all the possible ways a man or woman might rape somebody. How about with a broken bottle? Or a broom handle? No actual examples, just creative self indulgence. Ake, you have a serious and really sickening problem. I find you repugnant and revolting in the extreme." Right you fucker! Do you seriously think that I care what you think of me?.....If you had taken the time to read what was printed,you would have discovered your vivid technicolour horror film was actually thought up by sweet Ebbie a founder member of your team. You find me repugnant and revolting in the extreme....well whoopee doo What do I think of you....Seemple... fuck all, zilch,nothing, I dont waste my time!.....but I will expect an apology in due course. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: akenaton Date: 07 Dec 09 - 08:19 PM Amos as you know, we have already discussed the very different means of transmission in Africa on another thread and its a bit late to go into all that. For the purposes of this discussion lets stick to the north American figures Amos my friend, your language is superb, but your "sums" leave a lot to be desired....:0) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Lox Date: 07 Dec 09 - 08:21 PM The fantasy begins here with Paco: "Homosexual men indulge in practises that revolt most ordinary people." You turned it into a rape fantasy here: "Paco has a point, if any real heterosexuals among you were given the choice of being raped by a woman or a man....which would you chose, and which would fill you with horror!" What fills me with horror is the self indulgenet ignorance of these two posts. Little Hawk began his tasteless analysis of whiich would be worse, searching his feeling as he indulged the whole rape fantasy and from that point on this thread became the most vile thing I have ever witnessed on Mucat. Shame. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: akenaton Date: 07 Dec 09 - 08:24 PM It seems the character of the opposition has been revealed in vivid technicolour!.............:0) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Lox Date: 07 Dec 09 - 08:25 PM "For the purposes of this discussion lets stick to the north American figures" You mean lets be selective so that your argument doesn't look quite so ridiculous? "your honour, I would like to move that the defence leave out the rest of the evidence and allow the prosecutions case to stand on the evidence that we have presented alone. Sadly the defences evidence contradicts my argument and is therefore inconvenient." You are having a laugh! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: akenaton Date: 07 Dec 09 - 08:27 PM You dont even have the guts to apologise! you're pathetic! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 07 Dec 09 - 08:30 PM I haven't got caught up, all the way, but I saw this one, and just HAD to answer it! Smedley:"Homosexual men indulge in practises that revolt most ordinary people. Why will you never acknowledge the facts?" I am an ordinary person. And a homosexual. 99% of the practices (such aromantic word) I indulge in can be, and are, indulged in by heterosexual couples. Any more insightful contributions, Paco ??" 99%????..You mean you leave out, finding a partner of the opposite sex, loving that person, crossing the differences of the genders, making love to that person, producing a child, with, and by that person, and spending your days, raising and loving that child, into adulthood??? Its all about sex isn't it??? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Lox Date: 07 Dec 09 - 08:39 PM No Ake, I'll tell you what is pathetic. -your arguments and the premiss upon which they are built -your desperate clinging on to a meagre scrap of tenuously related evidence -your accusation that Gay men of having a natural propensity for paedophilia - your blaming of the weakness of the economy on immigration - and your vivid descriptions of morbid visions of men having sex with each other - and you invitation to us to indulge in rape fantasies And so is your last post. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Lox Date: 07 Dec 09 - 08:44 PM "99%????..You mean you leave out, finding a partner of the opposite sex, loving that person, crossing the differences of the genders, making love to that person, producing a child, with, and by that person, and spending your days, raising and loving that child, into adulthood??? Its all about sex isn't it??? " No GfS, You are leaving out having dinner, going on holiday, conversation, emotional support, consolation, humour, etc etc ... i.e all the other things that make us human. I think the point is that it isn't just about sex, and that fascination with how gays have sex says more about the fantasist than the object of their fantasy. As Gil Scott heron said, I am 360 degrees, and sex is just one small part of that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 07 Dec 09 - 09:49 PM Lox, Re-read the post I responded to....I think you missed something. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,999 Date: 07 Dec 09 - 09:52 PM I disbelieve the 53% figure attributed to the CDC. I live outside the US and therefore cannot call them toll-free. Is there and American who would please ask the CDC about that 53% figure and pass the info onto Mudcat? Their toll free number in the US is 800-CDC-INFO (800-232-4636) I disbelieve the 53% figure, Ake. I do NOT think you are BSing. I do think you got hold of some bad info. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Amos Date: 07 Dec 09 - 10:15 PM A rcent set of Figures is here (CDC Statistics). 2007 data: Whites 12,556 Blacks 21,549 Hispanic 7,484 Male adult or adolescent: Male-to-male sexual contact 22,472 High-risk heterosexual contact 4,551 of a total of 31,518. Female adult or adolescent: Injection drug use 1,806 High-risk heterosexual contactc 9,076 Otherd 96 of a total of 10,977. This shows a ratio between MtoM sexual contact and hetero male sex of 22:4.4, about 5:1 (not 50). Note that 22/31 of male cases are from MtoM sexual contact.(70%) In females, the ratio of high-risk hetero sexual contact is 9 out of 10.9, nearly 95%. These numbers do not support any of the cut-and-dried arguments in this thread as far as I can see. 70% of males cases come from male homosexual contacts while 90+% of cases in females come from unsafe hetero contact. Perhaps the moral of the story is "Don't have sex with males no matter what your gender!" A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Little Hawk Date: 07 Dec 09 - 11:20 PM If there were a death penalty for humorlessness, gross intolerance of differing viewpoints, knee-jerk emotional reactions of a very predictable nature, vicious personal attacks on other posters, and outrageous self-righteousness carried to the point of unintentional humor, this place would be littered with dead bodies like the Alamo after the battle was done. That's why I ignore this thread most of the time. It's like visiting a toxic waste dump. Interesting to look at....but you don't want to hang around too long, because you might get poisoned by all the ill will. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,TIA Date: 07 Dec 09 - 11:28 PM I have stayed the Hell out until this excrable piece of nonsense. Now I cannot sit still. The full quote is: "99%????..You mean you leave out, finding a partner of the opposite sex, loving that person, crossing the differences of the genders, making love to that person, producing a child, with, and by that person, and spending your days, raising and loving that child, into adulthood???" Let me parse and add commentary: "99%????..You mean you leave out, finding a partner of the opposite sex," Why does a loving partner need to be of the opposite sex? "loving that person," Ditto! "crossing the differences of the genders," WTF? Why does this matter? Can't we also say appreciating the PERSON? "making love to that person," Yup, got that covered. But this is the point where Ake has such vivid imagingings. "producing a child, with, and by that person," So procreation is all that matters? What about the heteros who marry late in life? Or those who decide to not have kids? You are no fooking counselor...trust me. "and spending your days, raising and loving that child, into adulthood???" I have three (count 'em three!) immediate relatives who have all done this while married to a same-sex partner. And the kids are happy, well-adjusted successes with kids of their own. Again, you are no fooking counselor. You are a poser. A fraud. Now go make up a character to agree with you. And use no capitals to disguise your "voice". And, be sure to not use the phrase "being as", or you will be transparent on the spot. Go. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 07 Dec 09 - 11:50 PM TIA, Do you mean to tell me that these homosexual couples had children from having sex with each other????...That was what I was asking Smedley....Being as he said that..."I am an ordinary person. And a homosexual. 99% of the practices (such aromantic word) I indulge in can be, and are, indulged in by heterosexual couples." So, if you can't sit still...sit on it! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,TIA Date: 07 Dec 09 - 11:54 PM Gross intolerance is exactly the point. And personal attacks should not be defended with pseudo-philosophical self-righteousness. Evil flourishes when good people do nothing. -Edmund Burke (maybe) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,TIA Date: 08 Dec 09 - 12:13 AM Yup, homosexual couples have children. Drives you crazy, but they do. I also have two kids of my own that did not involve my organs. Are they any less my kids counselor? God help your "clients" if you answer the way your posting thought process dictates. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,TIA Date: 08 Dec 09 - 12:15 AM And now I will "sit on it" (are you picturing that Ake?). Being as you will never convince me, and I will never convince you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 08 Dec 09 - 04:38 AM TIA:'I also have two kids of my own that did not involve my organs. Are they any less my kids counselor?' Well, that's what I was talking about! Children from the original parents, in answer to Smedley's post. By the way, sure looks like I hit a nerve!..Which in my earlier post(Prop 8 thread), I broached that subject, both sensitively, and compassionately, if you remember, as to a certain inner sadness that homosexuals had in common. The same is often true, with two families trying to join together, as in hetero, broken homes. So, what is it? You finally came roaring out of the closet, to 'set me straight', and tripped over your own truth???? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Smedley Date: 08 Dec 09 - 05:41 AM Guest from Sanity: I used the word "practices" because I took it directly from Paco's idiotic 'contribution' to the debate. He (or, I guess but I hope not, possible she) sure as hell meant sexual practices as that post shuddered homophobically at the thought of the organ/orifice conjunctions we homos are known to enjoy. I merely pointed out that putting Thing A in Hole B (etc etc) was not sexuality-specific. The other issues you introduced in your hyper-ventilating attempt to point-score against me are nothing to do with Paco's original point. I don't throw the term 'homophobe' around lightly, but you deserve to have it tattooed on your forehead. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Don Firth Date: 08 Dec 09 - 02:43 PM As to the matter of procreation, some same-sex couples do want children. There are a couple of ways of accomplishing this. Perhaps the easiest method is adoption. Twice now, one of the same-sex couples I mention above have made trips to China, adopted infants from a Chinese orphanage, and are raising them. These kids are going to have a much better life with Steve ("Daddy") and Dave ("Papa") as their parents than they would have had otherwise. Granted, it's not a conventional family life, but it's far better for them than no family life at all. Steve and Dave are both attorneys and have the resources to see that these kids get good educations and have everything they need. There are a lot of kids in the world who are not so lucky. Another couple (also both attorneys) have suddenly found themselves with four children. Surrogate mother, in vitro fertilization. Eric has a two year old son. And by the same surrogate mother, Jim wound up with triplets! Other than being a bit dazed, everyone is doing fine, thank you very much! And the kids are all at least half-related, through the mother. By the way, both of these couples have female friends and relatives who spend a lot of time with the kids (baby sitting and such), so it's not as if the young 'uns are bereft of having women around. And they have the support of their church whenever they might need it. And GfS, ". . . as to a certain inner sadness that homosexuals had in common." Which fortune cookie did you get that totally unsubstantiated bit of hokum from? Your half-vast experience as a "counselor," not doubt! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 08 Dec 09 - 02:49 PM ""Don, as you know I dont normally respond to your shite, but when in the last few months have you posted any topic of any interest whatsoever?"" Your posting history is available to any who wish to test the veracity of your blatantly lying first sentence. Your responses to my comments are a matter of record, and those who choose to check will also be able to ascertain that you rarely make a logical, sensible or pertinent response. My posts too are a matter of record, and I will happily accept the verdict of members other than yourself and GfS, as to which of us actually has enough grasp of reality to post sound common sense, and which of us is on a one man campaign to set human progress back a hundred years. If you want a battle of wits, you'll need to achieve better than your current half equipped status. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Don Firth Date: 08 Dec 09 - 02:58 PM By the way: ". . . homosexuals are 50 times more likely to develop aids than heteros." This "statistic"is purely speculative, and as such, nothing more than someone's wild guess. For example, people who engage in the dangerous practice of sky-diving are 99% more likely to bury their faces three feet deep into the hardpan than people who engage in the practice of Morris dancing. Those who are born male have a 100% greater chance of getting prostate cancer than those who are born female. So, what of any significance can we learn from "statistics" like this, eh? Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 08 Dec 09 - 05:51 PM Smedley:"....don't throw the term 'homophobe' around lightly, but you deserve to have it tattooed on your forehead. " I have to consider the source, and coming from a homosexual, you may confuse a 'homophobe' with any person who is supportive of the family structure, consisting of one man, one woman, children of those two. Because that is out of your(and a lot of others in here) reach, don't project a phobia onto happy family people who couldn't give a rat's ass on your particular dysfunction.......(Bingo)! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,999 Date: 08 Dec 09 - 06:20 PM So, no one called the CDC? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Don Firth Date: 08 Dec 09 - 06:23 PM GfS, I don't know what Smedley has in mind, but what indicates to me that you are a flag-waving, card-carrying homophobe is that you spend so much of your time and effort trying to peddle your anti-gay propaganda on this and other threads (and God knows where else). That, plus the fact that you are dedicated to denying a minority equal rights and protection under the law (civil rights) is what brands you indelibly as a bigot. Sorry, GfS, but you are condemned out of your own mouth (i.e., keyboard). Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 08 Dec 09 - 07:48 PM Funny how Don, TIA, and a lot of their fellow clowns throw the word 'homophobe' around so freely. You claim to want 'tolerance' for homosexuals, but have NONE for those who prefer the traditional nuclear family, but want to 'imitate' them, in you supposed 'same gender' family 'structure'. This has nothing to do with the well-being of children; this is more like using them as 'props', for two dysfunctional 'adults' pretending to play house!!! In light of that, being slandered with 'homophobe' or 'bigot', should maybe be reserved for those who call homosexuals 'fagots', or 'fudge-packers'...and nobody has called them that on here and certainly not me!..nor Akenaton, for all I can remember. So, who is the two faced hypocrite???? You can't have it both ways, but I don't think you can see it both ways. You can't even be honest enough with yourself to be objective, and look for truth, that doesn't fit into your preconceived notion of the hypocritical political crap you subscribe to! When I answered Smedley, it was meant to point out that there is MORE to relationships, than scratching each others sex drive itches. But thanks to the narrow mindedness of the defenders of hypocrisy, you turned it into something else, so you could champion your folly, instead of addressing what was said or meant. WHAT A SORRY LOT!!! Don is already renowned for that very tactic, and has been called on it repeatedly....but he doesn't learn, from past mistakes, which, by the way, is a classic symptom of a psychotic! Look it up for yourself! And yes, I am a counselor, and one thing I've known through the years of doing it, is the denser of the two, is the one who can't see him or herself as part of the problem, and uses that tactic to refuse to take responsibility. Instead, its rationalize, and justify, rationalize and more justification.....EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON HERE WITH THE USUAL VILLAGE IDIOTS! GET A CLUE, AND LOOK FOR TRUTH, objectively, AND IF IT SHEDS LIGHT, ON ONE OF YOUR PRECONCEIVED BIASES, THEN POSSIBLE CONSIDER CHANGING YOUR MIND IN LIGHT OF NEW INFORMATION!!!!! In other words, to quote John Belushi, "WISE UP!" yourselves, instead of 'dumbing' down all around you, so you can 'feel' accepted' and comfortable!!! ....But then, after all, you are the products of political propaganda! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Ebbie Date: 08 Dec 09 - 07:58 PM " ...denser of the two, is the one who can't see him or herself as part of the problem, and uses that tactic to refuse to take responsibility. Instead, its rationalize, and justify, rationalize and more justification.....EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON HERE WITH THE USUAL VILLAGE IDIOTS! GET A CLUE, AND LOOK FOR TRUTH, objectively, AND IF IT SHEDS LIGHT, ON ONE OF YOUR PRECONCEIVED BIASES, THEN POSSIBLE CONSIDER CHANGING YOUR MIND IN LIGHT OF NEW INFORMATION!!!!! " Couldn't have said it better myself. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Don Firth Date: 08 Dec 09 - 08:17 PM God help your patients, GfS, because it's obvious that you certainly can't. And it's not politics, it's ethics. You've heard of it, haven't you? Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,999 Date: 08 Dec 09 - 08:20 PM QUESTION: WILL anyone from here call the CDC? Toll-free number below. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Jeri Date: 08 Dec 09 - 10:08 PM From http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillance/basic.htm HIV Incidence Estimate So the figures are from 2008, and the '53%' is new HIV infections, not 'AIDS'. I won't continue any argument here. It's the same discussion that happens whenever someone says 'homosexual' around here. It starts out being about marriage or people being put to death, but the same old 'homosexuality is evil' bigots kick get back on that high horse and shove the discussion back to their scripts. If hatred compels a person to have the same frustrating knee jerk reactions over and over, to shove conversations back into the familiar rut, that person has a problem. I only have a problem if I try to argue or reason with them. For most of us, this is just discussion. I think maybe for other people, it's something a lot deeper and they can't NOT go ballistic. The virus is passed blood to blood, and anal sex makes that more convenient. Promiscuity and lack of condom use are risky behaviors. Having a penis makes a person more likely to spread the virus. Being penetrated by a penis makes a person more likely to get infected. People having sex with those in a population where there's already a high rate of infection makes a person more likely to contract the virus. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: frogprince Date: 08 Dec 09 - 10:08 PM "Don, TIA, and a lot of their fellow clowns ...claim to want 'tolerance' for homosexuals, but have NONE for those who prefer the traditional nuclear family." An absolutely groundless, pointless, supposed extrapolation of anything anyone here has said. To "prefer" a traditional family is by no means synonymous with ranting that no other combination can be considered a family. "...but want to 'imitate' them, in you supposed 'same gender' family 'structure'." Is this supposed to mean that each of the individuals you refer to is now in a same-sex relationship, but wants to imitate the traditional family? Or is it supposed to mean that those individuals want to imitate same sex couples? There's no way to be sure from this mess of non-sentence structure, but either meaning would be absurd. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,999 Date: 08 Dec 09 - 10:10 PM "QUESTION: WILL anyone from here call the CDC? Toll-free number below. " I don't know how to rephrase the fucking question. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,999 Date: 08 Dec 09 - 10:11 PM 800-CDC-INFO (800-232-4636) TOLL-FREE number. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Jeri Date: 08 Dec 09 - 10:14 PM What question should I ask the CDC? If the figures they published on their website are correct? I'll feel just a little bit stupid doing that, so maybe there's another way to phrase the question. (I'm not calling tonight anyway. Not terribly awake.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,999 Date: 08 Dec 09 - 10:21 PM The question I would ask is this: "What percentage of HIV infections in the USA are incurred due to male-to-male sexual contact?" Ther are gangs of CDC websites--many local authorities as it were. I would expect that because the number of gay individuals in SanFrancisc seems to be higher there than say Jacksonville, Florida, that local stats on new HIV infections may indeed be 53%. The question refers to the USA. I simply do NOT believe the 53% figure. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong. I'd simply like something resembling a more definitive answer. Thank you, Jeri. I'm also grateful to you for offering. It seems thsi thread is one 'side' giving the gears to the 'other side'. Lots of opinions and few freakin' facts. When asked to seek the facts, neither side does. Go figure. Anyway, thank you again. |
