BS: Christian Persecution

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Apr 15 - 01:36 PM

Surely the "Irish Troubles" were Republicans against Unionists?
The original United Irish movement was largely secular.

The people being massacred in their thousands by IS and Boko Harim are being murdered because the worship the wrong god.
Present day Christians do not use these methods to annihilate other religions.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 Apr 15 - 01:39 PM

Jim,
in order to avoid acknowledging that all religions, including Christianity, can and have committed atrocities.

BUT I DO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT!

I keep acknowledging it and you keep ignoring it and pretending I have not.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 08 Apr 15 - 01:48 PM

I think the problem is Professor is that you always qualify your statements.

For example

"Re NI, of course there was sectarian killing, but the armed struggle was about who ruled the place. It is not a good example of religious persecution"

"I do and have condemn them, but are there any happening now for us to condemn? There are all too many examples of Christians being massacred and forced out"

You invariably qualify your replies which leads the rest of contributors to consider they are less than valid. Just give a straight condemnation, no if's no maybe's and perhaps you just may be taken seriously.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Apr 15 - 02:53 PM

"Surely the "Irish Troubles" were Republicans against Unionists?"
As I said - it was a war against an Ireland which was partitioned on religious grounds - what on earth do you think the Orange Lodges and the "Papish Antichrists" are all about?
The United Irishmen were nationalists trying to throw out the Brits; when the Empire couldn't hang on any longer, they partitioned the country making sure that the Protestants dominated the Six Counties
Originally, the plan was to partition the nine counties of Ulster, but, as the would have given the Catolics a majority, they dropped the three awkward ones
Go read a book
Bokum Harem is a fanatical break--off from the Muslim religion.
You' like Keith, have chosen to ignore the atrocities carried out by Christians - they have proved both ready and willing to kill in the name of their beliefs, just as yout friend, Anders Bering was (do I have that wrong - he is a Christian, s is Radovan Karadzic, Jim Jones, Timothy McVeigh
It is religion as a whole that is the problem, not any particular religion.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Apr 15 - 03:27 PM

If Bokum Harem is a fanatical offshoot, which I may be prepared to accept, what is IS?

When a number of fanatical offshoots of the same religion spring up and combine as a Caliphate, surely questions require to be asked?

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Ed T
Date: 08 Apr 15 - 03:27 PM

"Present day Christians do not use these methods to annihilate other religions."

Was the actions of the mainly orthodox christian Serbs against peoples of muslim religion really that long ago?

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Apr 15 - 03:39 PM

"I keep acknowledging it and you keep ignoring it and pretending I have not."
You have not - you have qualified or cast doubt on every single case of Christian persecution raised.
Try again, Bosnia and Northern Ireland are basically no different in essence to what is happening in the world - is that right? I don't need a condemnation - we all do that - I want a confirmation that all churches are equally guilty and capable of persecution - simple as that.
We all condemn religious or any form persecution, be it in the name of Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Muslims.... whoever - everybody but you, that is
You are the only one to have actively condoned and denied proven persecution.
Maybe I should qualify what I mean about "religion".
Personally practiced religion is fine with me - I don't partake, but many of my family and friends do - all my neighbours, in fact.
It is important to many of them and, when they take the everyday teachings of their religion seriously, it makes for good people.
The problem lies with the Churches who attain temporal power and abuse it - fascist Spain, Portugal, Chile and various other parts of Central and South America....
Popes have blessed bombs going to Abyssinia and have turned their backs when Italian Jews were being herded into concentration camps.
The Church of England fully backed and benefited from the rape of the world, which we now refer to as 'The British Empire'.
Pinochet carried out his atrocities with the blessing of the Chilean Church
King Leopold massacred 10 million Belgian Congolese in pursuit of rubber - the church stayed silent.
Apartheid South Africa had the support of the Dutch Reform Church.
I believe religion to be a problem, but I am being unfair to claim that it is to blame for atrocities and persecution - that is down to some churches and some fanatics - and they can "kick with any foot" as they used to say in Liverpool (and probably still do)
Jim Carrolj

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Apr 15 - 03:58 PM

"fanatical offshoot"

They are Muslims who adhere to and implement a literal interpretation of Islam as do many in Islamic countries particularly those who govern by Sharia law.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Apr 15 - 04:38 PM

surely questions require to be asked?

What questions?

Muslims who adhere to and implement a literal interpretation of Islam as do many in Islamic countries particularly those who govern by Sharia law.

As indeed there are "Christians"[sic] who adhere to a literal interpretation of "Christianity"[sic] and who are applying this literal interpretation to governing "Christian Countries"[sic] like the U. S. of A.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 08 Apr 15 - 05:34 PM

How many Christians judicially executed in USA for converting to Islam, Greg?

Just asking...

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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 Apr 15 - 05:35 PM

Ed,
Was the actions of the mainly orthodox christian Serbs against peoples of muslim religion really that long ago?

Last century.
Western forces, mainly British and French, moved in to save the Muslim people.

Who will save the Christians today?

Jim,
"I keep acknowledging it and you keep ignoring it and pretending I have not."
You have not - you have qualified or cast doubt on every single case of Christian persecution raised.

Not true.
I again acknowledge, WITHOUT QUALIFICATION OR RESERVATION, that all religions, including Christianity, can and have committed atrocities.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 Apr 15 - 05:44 PM

It is not just me saying this is an issue.
I have quoted world leaders, the Pope and Canterbury.

9pm BBC2 next Wednesday.
"Kill The Christians"
"...hundreds of thousands of Christians are fleeing Islamic extremists..
is in danger of disappearing in large parts of its ancient heartland..."

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Teribus
Date: 08 Apr 15 - 05:47 PM

Good heavens MGM.Lion you are surely not expecting any answer to that are you? Hope you're not holding your breath

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 08 Apr 15 - 05:51 PM

Professor you really are astonishing.In your last post you stated:

"I again acknowledge, WITHOUT QUALIFICATION OR RESERVATION, that all religions, including Christianity, can and have committed atrocities"

and YET in the SAME post you manage to infer that the Bosnian War (1992-1995)didn't really count because it was "Last Century"

You truly are a buffoon.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Apr 15 - 06:00 PM

How many Christians judicially executed in USA for converting to Islam, Greg?

Well, Lyin', just give the "Christian"[sic] fundagelicals a chance - that's what they're working towards, even if they're not quite there yet. There's always hope, as long as Ron Paul, Huckabee, Cruz and Rubio are in the running.

And by perverting Christ'e teachings, they're every bit as reprehensible as those that are perverting the teachings of Mohammad.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 08 Apr 15 - 06:06 PM

OK MGM I'll answer, none that I know of.

That doesn't prove that Christians (and other religions) are innocent of crimes.

Just last month Archbishop Tomasi stated that the Vatican would support the use of violence against IS forces.

Surely a church should not be suggesting such things.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Musket
Date: 08 Apr 15 - 06:10 PM

Yeah Terribulus. Let's all get a stiffy because a confused old fool has asked an irrelevant question!

Gee McWhizz! Those normal people can't answer so we bigots must be right after all!

Pathetic fool.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Ed T
Date: 08 Apr 15 - 06:23 PM

"Western forces, mainly British and French, moved in to save the Muslim people."

Save the muslim people from the serbian christians. Btw,is it reasonable to believe that all British, French, and other western forces are christians.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Apr 15 - 07:07 PM

perverting the teachings of Mohammad

Rather than the teachings of Mohammed being perverted they are, in fact, being implemented as written in the Qur'an and Sunnah by those who espouse a literal interpretation of those works. Most Christian sects have long ago accepted the allegorical nature of the Bible. Of course there are small pockets of believers who promote literal interpretation of selective parts of the Bible but these are outliers whose beliefs are not endorsed by the mainstream Churches.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 09 Apr 15 - 01:44 AM

Raggytash -- No-one claimed any such thing. Just that idiot-Greg specifically named the USA, for no reason that I can see, as equivalent to the Muslim-Beheademall-Lands. --- 8 April 0438 pm; with idiot response to my question at 0600 to effect that "maybe not, but I bet they would if they could". Pathetic!

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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Teribus
Date: 09 Apr 15 - 01:51 AM

Well, whichever, Musktwat - 08 Apr 15 - 06:10 PM from contributions and exchanges on this forum I would say that that "confused old fool" as you ignorantly and unnecessarily describe him has shown himself to be better educated, more literate, more rational and certainly more mannerly than the three of you lumped together.

In the context of the thread and remarks made by GregF the question was far from irrelevant:

"How many Christians judicially executed in USA for converting to Islam, Greg?"

The answer to the question Musktwat is NONE, which of course any FOOL would know but as you seem to like dishing out that particular label and accuse people of being fools shall we have a look at GregF's reply?

"Well, Lyin', just give the "Christian"[sic] fundagelicals a chance - that's what they're working towards, even if they're not quite there yet."

Ah so GregF condemns on the strength of what may happen, albeit however unlikely, at some time in the indeterminate future and everybody must accept that as representing the situation "here and now".

Don't know about you Musktwats but I'd say that it was GregF that was showing himself to be the confused pathetic fool. But that is the trouble with bigots and fascists like yourselves and GregF - brook no contradictions to what your version of "normal" (And there is only YOUR version of "Normal" isn't there Musktwat?) is and what your version of the "Party Line" is.

Also odd that you scatter labels and accusations around like confetti, yet whenever called to produce any evidence to support your claims you fall completely silent on detail and launch into personal attack, distortion and distraction.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Musket
Date: 09 Apr 15 - 03:27 AM

Cor! You don't say? None have been executed for being Muslim... Well well you live and learn. Thanks for settling that one Terribulus. Mind you, not sure who said there had been. Straw men being your modus operandi.

Of course, plenty executed for being black and / or poor, which is the same thing from the perspective of the innocent person feeling the drug enter their body.




Ed. I personally wouldn't assume all British, French etc troops are Christian. Mainly on the basis if you add the Muslims. Sikhs etc and the vast majority of soldiers who aren't anything in religious terms, there aren't many Christians in the armed forces. Fewer still who would carry out humanitarian acts in a religiously judgemental manner.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 09 Apr 15 - 03:33 AM

Teribus in your last post you stated

" Also odd that you scatter labels and accusations around like confetti, yet whenever called to produce any evidence to support your claims you fall completely silent on detail and launch into personal attack, distortion and distraction"

I find this strange when the remainder of your post was doing exactly the same to Greg and to Musket.

Pot .... Kettle .......Black ......have any resonance with you.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Apr 15 - 03:42 AM

Teribus, Keith, and M, win again.....Jim has deserted and Team Musket have walked out with their hands up.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Teribus
Date: 09 Apr 15 - 04:00 AM

Really Raggy?

Well you tell me what GregF was saying in his reply to MGM.Lion's question?

Have any Christians in America been executed for converting to the Muslim faith? (The specific question asked by MGM.Lion) The answer is NO The First Amendment guarantees religious freedom and is one of the pillars on which the Constitution of the United States of America is based:

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances." - Source: Legal Information Institutue, Cornell University Law School - far right enough website for you Musktwats?

So in replying to MGM.Lion's question and stating the following:

"Well, Lyin', just give the "Christian"[sic] fundagelicals a chance - that's what they're working towards, even if they're not quite there yet." - GregF

He is, is he not - condemning on the strength of what may happen, albeit however unlikely, at some time in the indeterminate future and everybody must accept that as representing the situation "here and now". If you disagree with that I'd dearly like to hear your reasoning.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Teribus
Date: 09 Apr 15 - 04:28 AM

Musketwat - 09 Apr 15 - 03:27 AM

Cor! You don't say? None have been executed for being Muslim... Well well you live and learn. Thanks for settling that one Terribulus. Mind you, not sure who said there had been.

Correct Musktwat nobody did say that they had, but just to point you in the right direction a specific question was asked of GregF at 08 Apr 15 - 05:34 PM

"How many Christians judicially executed in USA for converting to Islam, Greg?

Just asking...

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In asking the question I think MGM.Lion is drawing GregF's attention to the crime under Sharia Law of Apostasy [Noun: the abandonment or renunciation of a religious or political belief or principle.] - punishable by Death in Afghanistan, Brunei, Mauritania, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, the United Arab Emirates, and Yemen. Oh and I suppose in the newly established IS Caliphate, the "Beheademall Land" as described by MGM.Lion, that straddles the Syria/Iraqi border.

Now I believe that I have shown the fallacy on which GregF's response is based but on the other hand the Musktwats have accused me of many things and yet not once, even after having been specifically asked to do so, have they been able to come up with any substantive evidence to back up those accusations. So no Raggy - "Pot .... Kettle .......Black ......" does not have any resonance with me.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Apr 15 - 04:30 AM

BBC,

Kill the Christians
This World

Christianity is facing the greatest threat to its existence in the very place where it was born. Jane Corbin travels across the Middle East to some of the holiest places in Christendom and finds that hundreds of thousands of Christians are fleeing Islamic extremists, conflict and persecution. From the Nineveh plains in Iraq to the ancient city of Maaloula in Syria, Kill the Christians reveals the story of how the religion that shaped Western culture and history is in danger of disappearing in large parts of its ancient heartland.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b05rcr7n

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Apr 15 - 04:51 AM

Ed, those were secular armies of secular nations.
No claim was made about them being Christian.
The point I made was that strong international forces moved in to defend those Muslims from their Christian persecutors.
Who will now save the Christians?

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Apr 15 - 06:48 AM

So Teribus you are not "launch(ing) into personal attack, distortion and distraction.

Fun smell round here ............. ah that's it bullshit, lets see you called them both fools, Greg a confused pathetic fool, and both of them bigots and facists to say nothing of referring to Musket as Musktwat.

I'll say it again Pot... Kettle ...Black

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Teribus
Date: 09 Apr 15 - 07:18 AM

From the "I'll say it again" I take it that anonymous GUEST this time is Raggy.

Now go and read through the thread and find out who it was that referred to someone as a "confused old fool" (HINT Musket - 08 Apr 15 - 06:10 PM) - now then Raggy did you pull him up on it?? - Not on your life would you dare do that would you Raggy?

The Musktwat thing? I think that you will find that that came along as a result of the Musktwats calling anyone they disagreed with TWATS on this forum - They used it so they can hardly complain about it being turned back on them - fair enough? If not too bad I won't lose any sleep over it.

Call Musktwat, GregF, el al "fascists" and "bigots" of course I do because they are "fascists" and "bigots". It would appear that in your mind it is perfectly alright for them to dish it out while you grin on like a hyena from the sidelines, but a completely different kettle of fish when they demonstrate that they cannot take their own medicine - talking of kettles and fish - You may not be a "fascist", or a "bigots". You are just a "kipper" - two-faced and just plain gutless.

Now then Raggy tell me where I have distorted or distracted, looking back over my posts to this thread I seem to have been rather dogged in trying to get this forum's "fascists" to admit that they accuse without evidence then run for cover.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 09 Apr 15 - 07:37 AM

Teribus, once again you distort what is written. You condemned them both and did exactly the same thing as you accused them of.

So I'll reiterate it again (third time lucky perhaps) Pot, Kettle, Black.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Teribus
Date: 09 Apr 15 - 07:59 AM

Ah but Raggy I provided both proof and reasoning for my arguments, they after having been asked repeatedly to do exactly the same thing have failed to do so - repeatedly

Now as you and dave the Gnome are only acting as tag team members while the Musktwats and a confused pathetic old fool like GregF are resting and trying their best to find a come-back - I'll just leave you to it.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 09 Apr 15 - 08:16 AM

Teribus, you say that you have proved proof and reasoning to support your arguments.

Your opening statement was : " Well, whichever, Musktwat - 08 Apr 15 - 06:10 PM from contributions and exchanges on this forum I would say that that "confused old fool" as you ignorantly and unnecessarily describe him has shown himself to be better educated, more literate, more rational and certainly more mannerly than the three of you lumped together"

Opinion .. yes, proof....can't see any, reasoning ....... no none of that either. Now MGM might be a lovely fellow but I do not know him and can offer no opinion.

Need I go on to the bit were your criticise them for being abusive and continue to be abusive yourself. You can condemn them if you wish but NOT if you are then guilty of the same offense.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Teribus
Date: 09 Apr 15 - 08:26 AM

Oh but Raggy if they are personally and gratuitously abusive to those who do not deserve such treatment [e.g. MGM.Lion<7i>] then deserve to be paid back in kind - if they want to dish it out, then they had best be prepared to receive it. One way to halt it is for them to cease and desist. Also Raggy if they accuse anybody of doing something then they had best provide some evidence to back up the accusation and should that accused person be me then I will prod and goad them until they squeal and run, or alternatively come up with the said evidence, but both you and I know that that is never going to happen.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Apr 15 - 08:26 AM

Call Musktwat, GregF, el al "fascists" and "bigots" of course I do...You are just a "kipper" - two-faced and just plain gutless.

I can't speak for anyone else but myself, but it's a fair bet that most people reading your justifications for your name-calling would see this and cringe. One day you may learn that you don't win debates by dint of sheer aggression. And please don't bleat that you're not the only person who calls people names. We know that. It's the way that you continually defend your right to do it, as here, that stinks. Your assumption seems to be that you know you're always right, all the time, about everything. You should reflect on the fact that, aside from the occasional anonymous guest, the only people here who think that, apart from your good self, are Akenaton and Keith. You must feel very proud.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Apr 15 - 08:42 AM

Raggytash, you COULD go back and check the veracity of Teribus's statement....." from contributions and exchanges on this forum I would say that that "confused old fool" as you ignorantly and unnecessarily describe him has shown himself to be better educated, more literate, more rational and certainly more mannerly than the three of you lumped together"

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 09 Apr 15 - 08:55 AM

Akenaton,

You know very well that is NOT the point I am arguing. The point I am making is that Teribus cannot slate people as being abusive and then be abusive himself.

If they are wrong then so is he. You know it, Teribus knows it and I know it.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: GUEST,#
Date: 09 Apr 15 - 08:58 AM

"In religion and politics people's beliefs and convictions are in almost every case gotten at second-hand, and without examination, from authorities who have not themselves examined the questions at issue but have taken them at second-hand from other non-examiners, whose opinions about them were not worth a brass farthing."        

Mark Twain

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: GUEST,Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Apr 15 - 09:52 AM

Now as you and dave the Gnome are only acting as tag team members

Err, Teribus, as my only contribution to this thread has been

From: GUEST,Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Apr 15 - 10:44 AM

I blame it on the boogie.

How am I part of any 'tag team'? You seem to be confused. I suspect it is all the spleen that is being vented...

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: GUEST,Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Apr 15 - 10:25 AM

BTW, ake, I did notice when I looked at that post that someone was called a "confused pathetic old fool". But it may not have been quite as you remember. I would advise you visit the post dated 09 Apr 15 - 07:59 AM

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Teribus
Date: 09 Apr 15 - 10:32 AM

It would appear that a post of mine has gone missing, which is strange as it only called Steve Shaw's attention to the fact that if he is going to quote me then quote the whole thing in context, as what was stated in the original post still stands why remove the other?

So here is the full quote again (It was aimed at Raggytash):

"Call Musktwat, GregF, el al "fascists" and "bigots" of course I do because they are "fascists" and "bigots". It would appear that in your mind it is perfectly alright for them to dish it out while you grin on like a hyena from the sidelines, but a completely different kettle of fish when they demonstrate that they cannot take their own medicine - talking of kettles and fish - You may not be a "fascist", or a "bigots". You are just a "kipper" - two-faced and just plain gutless."

And yes there does seem to be a Tag Team thing going on and Akenaton, myself and Keith A of Hertford have noted it. When the Musktwats, GregF have succeeded in making complete and utter fools of themselves then in jump Dave the Gnome; Raggytash and Good Ol' Steve Shaw.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Teribus
Date: 09 Apr 15 - 10:42 AM

GUEST,Dave the Gnome - 09 Apr 15 - 10:25 AM

BTW, ake, I did notice when I looked at that post that someone was called a "confused pathetic old fool". But it may not have been quite as you remember. I would advise you visit the post dated 09 Apr 15 - 07:59 AM

And I would advise you, Dave the Gnome, to go a bit further back to:

Musket - PM
Date: 08 Apr 15 - 06:10 PM

Yeah Terribulus. Let's all get a stiffy because a confused old fool has asked an irrelevant question!

But don't worry Dave your "socialist" double standards and your "Trade Unionist" one law for the goose another for the gander is well known and plainly displayed for all to see.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: GUEST,Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Apr 15 - 10:45 AM

When the Musktwats, GregF have succeeded in making complete and utter fools of themselves then in jump Dave the Gnome; Raggytash and Good Ol' Steve Shaw.

I repeat. My only contribution to this thread has been

From: GUEST,Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Apr 15 - 10:44 AM

I blame it on the boogie.

Hardly jumping in with anything considering it followed a few 'I blame it on' remarks. Not even got any idea who they were from now but the comment is hardly in support of anyone is it.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Musket
Date: 09 Apr 15 - 10:46 AM

I never called anyone a confused pathetic old fool. confused old fool, but not pathetic.

If he were pathetic I would have not bothered because nobody is influenced by pathetic people.

But Michael does have moments of lucidity in some matters so it was important to point out he was a) old (you can allow for the older they get the less acceptable their rants) b) confused (his silly question had fuck all to do with the debate and c) fool (self explanatory.)

Talking of pathetic people. Akenhateon! What is this thing that Terribulus, Pte Acheson etc have won and why is Musket running off somewhere?

Don't bother. It will be irrational anyway.

(This Musket did run off today, to buy a new bouzouki. Another Musket is in India on behalf of the Scottish government and the third is in Canada getting the spring ski in. We fly out next week hopefully, although won't meet up. The three of us will be in Inveraray next month though. McMusket & his better half stage good parties.)

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: GUEST,Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Apr 15 - 10:52 AM

And I would advise you, Dave the Gnome, to go a bit further back

Why on earth would I want to do that? It's bad enough having to read the shite pertaining to my own posts without having to read the shite pertaining to anyone else's!

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 09 Apr 15 - 11:44 AM

Once again --

""Elinor ... did not think he deserved the compliment of rational opposition." ― Jane Austen, Sense and Sensibility ...

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Apr 15 - 12:55 PM

I was quite careful with the context as it happens, good ol' Billy Boy. What I left out, and what you put back in, doesn't make the slightest difference to my point, demonstrated in the quote, that you present childish, schoolyard justifications for your own name-calling whilst condemning others for theirs. You really do think you're right all the time, don't you? Incidentally, if you want to get all persnickety about the accuracy of quotes, how come you were so quiet when your mate Keith was misquoting Mr Wheatcroft all over the show? Remember...?

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Apr 15 - 01:43 PM

MM

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: GUEST,#
Date: 09 Apr 15 - 01:46 PM

MMI

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Apr 15 - 02:39 PM

I did not misquote Wheatcroft.
I did not need to as he was supporting my view of WW1 and not the old discredited beliefs you people still cling to.

I quoted the relevant passage verbatim, and a link was provided so it could be seen in its origina intended context.

What you people picked up on was that I did not always quote in full subsequently.
No deception there.

It is not as if I faked up quotes and attributed them to historians whose real views were diametrically opposite.
Raggy and Musket both did that, and none of you people objected at all.
You post endlessly about a partial quote after a full one is given, but ignore real deliberate lies intended to deceive the forum.