BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 Jan 10 - 09:23 PM

Ake refers to the "colourful" description of rape that I offered up.

I din't mean it to be 'colorful', only graphic. It was in response to ake's fairly light-hearted reference to rape and what rape a heterosexual person/man would choose if he had to.

Well, I don't think that the term "rape" or the horrific act itsef is a joking matter. That is why I went into some detail; rape is NOT a simple sexual event- it is a hostile act of dominance.

So, "put that in your pipe and shove it"- as a person who frequently mixes metaphors said the other day.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 13 Jan 10 - 07:43 PM

"Despite being called three times, he has neither the balls nor the brains to apologise."

I think you're the one lacking the brains mate.

Or you might have figured out by now that I see no reason to apologize to you.

If anything my abhorrance of your putrid jingoism has multiplied severalfold.


DUH!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,Charlotte-Anne Wells
Date: 13 Jan 10 - 06:06 PM

Reading this thread a song comes to mind that everyone should listen to. "The Killing of Georgie". It tells a story, of a homosexual guy and how people all over the world, miss a friend.

I spend a lot time with young gay dancers, as part of my photography gigs in clubs. These young men are my friends, dance partners, models and co-conspirators in art. I hear stories all the time of fathers who can't accept their sons, mothers who stand in the middle holding on hard to both husband and child, sons who are still coming out and facing who they are in a world where gay bashing still happens regularly.

I'm bisexual, out and very happy with my life. Granted, I mostly date men these days, but my sexual identity is more than a hobby – its a political statement, that in some places could put me in great danger. And while I can straddle both gay and straight worlds, it does not armour me from the hateful words I hear daily about homosexualitI do speak out, but not all minds and ears are open to hearing a different perspective.I know the wrong word to the wrong person could get me in trouble, but that can't keep me silent.

I hold this space for my friends, bash back when needed, cheer loudly when its needed, and feel compassion for those who still find alternative sexual identities dangerous. We are such lovely, brave people, full of a desire to love and be loved, and yet we cause fear – a deep, primal fear in some cases.


Are we that scary that we fit in the same category as a terrorist? You mean loving and being loved is terrorism? Think on it…

Please listen to the song by Rod Stewart.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Jan 10 - 04:12 PM

Well gnu, I hope you told Lox who the apology should have been directed to!

But I won't hold my breath, as he already owes me an apology for attributing the "colourful" description of homosexual rape, provided by ebbie....to me

Despite being called three times, he has neither the balls nor the brains to apologise.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: gnu
Date: 13 Jan 10 - 03:56 PM

Now, now... do not taketh the name of gnu in vanity.

Thanks for the heads up. Heheheehee... nah... hahahaaa....

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 13 Jan 10 - 03:27 PM

"they have become so offensive that gnu, one of my strongest critics has spoken against them"

In fact, Gnu has gone out of his way to reassure me that my earlier apology was unnecessary.


DUH!



"So it is not Sanity or I who are keeping this thread alive, but the spiteful and aggressive....oh so "liberals"."


Thats right Ake, your posts don't keep this thread alive, only "liberal" posts have that effect.


DUH!



Ironically, the actual catalyst for the restart of this thread was Joe Offers post concerning African attitudes.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Jan 10 - 03:17 PM

"So it is not Sanity or I who are keeping this thread alive, but the spiteful and aggressive....oh so "liberals"."
It is you and your redneck friend who are spiteful and aggressive.
It is you who are judgemental over what is now a done deal - homosexuality is legal, and has been for forty years. It is redneck fanatics like yourselves who still keep the flame of homophobia burning by spreading your poisonous intolerance.
Your kind continue to spread misery and hatred toward people who have in no way attempted to influence you as to their sexual affinities - can you say the same?
"MP I'll get back later..... and you too Smedley....Ake"
Don't hold your breath folks - he promised the same to me when he was attempting to divert our attention from clerical abuse - and didn't, of course.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Jan 10 - 03:01 PM

Smedley.... Depite what Lox writes, my use of "thespian" and "playing to the gallery" was small attempt at humour, as I assumed, that having reviewed a stage play you must have had quite a bit of theatrical experience.

Puns, especially hurtful ones are not my forte.

I have given up on most on this thread; as you've possibly noticed, I have stopped responding to several posters because they have become so offensive that gnu, one of my strongest critics has spoken against them

Mauvepink seems sincere and deserves an answer, but you dont do your cause any good by joining the rabble in comments like   "So we're back to the pair of sickos who get it off by peering through other people's bedroom windows then?"

I left this thread a couple of weeks ago, but the sight of the usual suspects clucking like hens on a midden proved too much to stand.

So it is not Sanity or I who are keeping this thread alive, but the spiteful and aggressive....oh so "liberals".

MP I'll get back later..... and you too Smedley....Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don Firth
Date: 13 Jan 10 - 02:13 PM

"The vast majority" of Indians walk in a single file.

At least the one I saw did. . . .

(Just passing through.)

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 13 Jan 10 - 10:35 AM

""Selfish sexual gratification" seems to describe what is practiced by the vast majority of homosexuals.""


I was unaware that you had such a close acquaintance with "the vast majority" of homosexuals, or is it just that you read minds at long distance?

Be very careful Ake. With each post you make, your true agenda becomes increasingly obvious.

As to your complaints about personal abuse, I will only make one comment. Having been called a prat, and a liberal fascist, and told that my contributions to this and other threads are worthless and undeserving of consideration, I can only agree with the poster above who rightly called you a fuckwit.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Smedley
Date: 13 Jan 10 - 03:54 AM

Looks like it.......

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Jan 10 - 03:49 AM

Thanks for clearing that up Smedley.
So we're back to the pair of sickos who get it off by peering through other people's bedroom windows then?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Smedley
Date: 13 Jan 10 - 02:55 AM

To clarify (in the hope of short-cutting more back-and-forth on this minor point) - several posts ago (middle of the previous page?), a contributor who is not (unlike me) one of the crazy band of regulars on this thread, offered an attemptedly humorous comment about homosexuality being 'made compulsory'.   Jim picked up on this, Ake responded to Jim, offering the (alleged) musical ability of the original 'joker' as significant in some way.

Hey ho.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Ebbie
Date: 12 Jan 10 - 11:08 PM

"ebbie and Jim.....the remark you quoted, was from a singer and songwriter,"

Is this the quote? I quoted only Jim Carroll. Who is this singer and songwriter?

"It always seems to me that people who concern themselves with what goes on in other people's bedrooms must be very discontented at what goes on in their own."

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 12 Jan 10 - 10:25 PM

Ake wages a desperate selfless campaign to protect homosexuals from AIDS, but cares not a whit for the far more endangered Swazis of all genders and ages.

What an ass.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Jan 10 - 07:56 PM

"ebbie and Jim.....the remark you quoted, was from a singer and songwriter,"
Sorry, I wasn't quoting anybody and I don't get to hear too many singer-songwriters - you'll have to enlighten me.
I don't believe it to be an accident that the most sexually-obsessive organisation on this planet, the church, managed to produce, cover up and protect the world's largest, most persistant and longest lasting paedophile ring. While attempting to judge and control the sexual behaviour of their congregations (using pretty much the same arguments as our resident 'phobes'), they were also raping and abusing their children on a massive scale.
Says everything that needs to be said about all such people.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: mauvepink
Date: 12 Jan 10 - 07:46 PM

"All males, hetero and homo are naturally sexual predators, but the hetero lifestyle in most cases involves the production and nurturing of natural children, leading to an extended family system."

I do not actually think that all males are sexual predators. Is it possible you meant something different because I think sexual predation certainly does not fit the majority of men. All men (well, most I suppose) are capable of rape but that does not mean they are all rapists.

As to the production and nurturing of "natural children" leading to an extended family system. I have no idea of the figures but have you any idea how many absent (by choice) fathers of children there are in the UK alone and how many single mothers have multiple fathers to their offspring, none of which are present in the extended family system? There are a great many single parent families in the country so I suspect that hetrosexuality is not in itself responsible for any extended family system. To my way of thinking the only thing that would lead to an really good extended family system is the love, respect and responisbility of two people bringing up children they want and love. Whether those parents be straight or gay does not matter. This is no insult to single parents either. Things happen for all sorts of reasons. I do however point out the high incidence to show that the production and nurturing of children is not inclusive. They do not always go hand in hand.

THAT SAID... there are lots of single parents out there who have children they love and provide a great family background and home without a partner. Some of these single parent families may actually be better off without the other partner there. Love, respect and responsibility do not necessarily go along with being straight.

For clarity what, to you, is the 'extended family system'? Finally. What did you mean by 'natural children'? The expression puzzles me exceedingly so I thought to ask what you mean by it rather than assume anything about the comment.

Thanks

mp

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 12 Jan 10 - 06:58 PM

"Well as you are obviously a thespian, I thought it might have come naturally :0) "


Geddit .. Thespian sounds like Lesbian ...


DUH!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 12 Jan 10 - 06:57 PM

From this article


""Teenagers these days are very casual about sex. They're happy to have sex with anyone they meet - they use phrases like 'let's play together?'

"I gave away vouchers for free STD tests to girls, and found that 82% them were infected.

"It's incredible. I suspect a lot of them may have HIV as well." "



So what should we conclude?


Heterosexuality among young women is unhealthy?


Or that kids need to be properly educated about using a condom.


DUH!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 12 Jan 10 - 06:48 PM

"the hetero lifestyle in most cases involves the production and nurturing of natural children, leading to an extended family system."

Most cases?

I see ...

"The study of 11,161 people between the ages of 16 and 44 from across the UK found that a minority - one in five men and one in four women - have had one sexual partner over the course of their lives."


DUH!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Jan 10 - 06:39 PM

Well as you are obviously a thespian, I thought it might have come naturally :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 12 Jan 10 - 06:29 PM

Here is Ake's reasoning.


-Gay men risk catching HIV when they have unprotected sex with other gay men which could lead to them dying of Aids later in life,

-therefore Homosexuality for them is an unhealthy lifestyle that should be discouraged and homosexual mens rights should be curtailed to protect them.


I can apply the same reasoning as follows.


-Straight Women risk catching HPV when they have unprotected sex with men which could lead to them dying of cervical cancer later in life,

-therefore Heterosexuality for them is an unhealthy lifestyle that should be discouraged and heterosexual womens rights should be curtailed to protect them.


In fact, both positons are utter bollocks and the answer in both cases is to use a condom.


DUH!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 12 Jan 10 - 06:23 PM

In other words, Ake thinks that 95.4% is a minority.


DUH!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Smedley
Date: 12 Jan 10 - 06:22 PM

Gallery schmallery, I'm merely seeking clarification.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Jan 10 - 06:21 PM

Smedley.....I think you know exactly what I mean,
I thought you wanted a serious discussion....with a few smiles thrown in.
If so dont get into the trap of being blatently abusive. look as the posts above, see how they get more and more strident, more incoherent: and it's nothing to do with commitment.....it's just lack of reason and control.

I would be happy to discuss what I posted with you, but I think, because of the "support" you are receiving, you are perhaps playing to the gallery?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 12 Jan 10 - 06:20 PM

Sorry Gnu,

I just thought I'd give Akes Logic a whirl.


Around 6% of men are estimated to be Gay in the UK

Thats about 1,800,000 men.

About 83,000 of these have HIV.


That makes about 4.6% of Gay men who have HIV


yet Ake concludes that "I dont mean that there are not homosexuals who are monogamous, of course there are, but the hiv/promiscuity say very clearly that they are a very small minority."


I thought I would apply the same kind of extrapolation techniques to the information available on this thread and see what "facts" I could derive.


Its amazing what you can conclude when you are full of shit.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Smedley
Date: 12 Jan 10 - 06:13 PM

And I asked a reasonable question, not yet answered.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Jan 10 - 06:06 PM

Thanks for that gnu.....thats why I've always had respect for you.

Don and Lox have simply lost the plot.....Smedley seems a reasonable guy but......if you run around with the wrong crowd?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: gnu
Date: 12 Jan 10 - 05:41 PM

Holy crap.... youse had better back up and read the thread and take your assumptions much more seriously. Otherwise, Ake will make YOU ache.

I am absolutely opposed to Ake, (and I have called Ake a troll... which is a very serious accusation that I should not have made) and I just check in now and then, but, gee whiz, take the time to oppose Ake on logical, founded grounds eh?

Is Ake a male? a female? a troll? Only Ake knows (kinda... hehehehe... have fun... see you in another million posts).

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 12 Jan 10 - 05:31 PM

"Is that what you're saying, Ake ? It's an interesting viewpoint, if you are."


It is an admission that reveals a lot about Ake.


It mirrors his view that the only thing stopping Gay men from raping children is the law.


It makes me wonder what Ake would like to do that women and the Law won't let him ...

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Smedley
Date: 12 Jan 10 - 05:24 PM

Ake said "How their extended family is affected has a bearing on most people's sexual behaviour"

One translation of this is: "Hetero men are only monogamous because women & families prevent them doing what they would otherwise like to do".

Is that what you're saying, Ake ? It's an interesting viewpoint, if you are.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 12 Jan 10 - 05:23 PM

"Exactly so gnu!......I do not exclude myself.....How their extended family is affected has a bearing on most people's sexual behaviour;"

Projection all the way.

I Exclude myself.

Many others on this site also would.


I have often heard murderers and rapists described as "sexual predators" as part of their psychological profile.

This would be to distinguish them from ordinary normal men.


Your admission fits with your fascination with your fantasies of homosexual sex and child abuse.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Jan 10 - 05:13 PM

Exactly so gnu!......I do not exclude myself.....How their extended family is affected has a bearing on most people's sexual behaviour;

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: gnu
Date: 12 Jan 10 - 04:57 PM

Ake says: "All males, hetero and homo are naturally sexual predators. . . ."

Of course they are... by nature... same as you, Ache.

I cannot believe youse are still at this.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 12 Jan 10 - 04:49 PM

"I am proud to have him as a cyber friend"


Well I don't want to be in your gang ...

... oh no ..

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don Firth
Date: 12 Jan 10 - 04:41 PM

Ake says: "All males, hetero and homo are naturally sexual predators. . . ."

Need I say more about attitudes? I hope Ake is not going to now try to commit what is known as "the fallacy of self-exclusion." {"Every male except me of course."}

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 12 Jan 10 - 04:39 PM

"I dont mean that there are not homosexuals who are monogamous, of course there are, but the hiv/promiscuity say very clearly that they are a very small minority."

Do the statistics show that the majority of Gay men suffer from HIV?


No they don't.



"As I said earlier the homo's have thrown away the rule book....anything goes.................Ake"

And now Ake has crossed into new territory.

Whereas before he deceived to give his views an air of respectability, he has now descended into the realms of straightforward abuse.


Oh no, he's already been there, he calls Gays a scourge.


Well, in the interests of ensuring that there are no double standards,


Ake - you are a fuckwit and a closet nonce.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Jan 10 - 04:29 PM

Ebbie posted....."sigh I was hoping it would not be so, but I see now that GtS is a woman. Since I am a woman myself, I always hope to find females more empathic and less dogmatic..."
.
Could this be the "supreme irony"........Must ask my friend Little Hawk or Mr Mcgrath.....They are the acknowledged experts   :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Jan 10 - 04:20 PM

"Selfish sexual gratification" seems to describe what is practiced by the vast majority of homosexuals.
Smedley has already mentioned the "hedonistic wing", but going by the health/ promiscuity figures, hedonism seems part of the culture.

I dont mean that there are not homosexuals who are monogamous, of course there are, but the hiv/promiscuity say very clearly that they are a very small minority.

All males, hetero and homo are naturally sexual predators, but the hetero lifestyle in most cases involves the production and nurturing of natural children, leading to an extended family system.
In most, but not cases this seems to work very well, keeping most of the male "animal instinct's(just slipped that in for the sisterhood) in check.

As I said earlier the homo's have thrown away the rule book....anything goes.................Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Jan 10 - 03:59 PM

ebbie and Jim.....the remark you quoted, was from a singer and songwriter, well known and well respected on both sides of the Atlantic.

His remark may or may not have been tongue in cheek....no matter , I am proud to have him as a cyber friend

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don Firth
Date: 12 Jan 10 - 03:52 PM

True, Smedley.

GfS doesn't seem to grasp the concept that there are things other than raw sex involved in human relationships, whether same-sex or heterosexual. S/he seems to regard human relationships in strictly selfish, predatory, and physical terms, which would certainly make him/her a counselor I would steer well clear of were I ever in need of such service. Anyone with that kind of general outlook would do more harm that good.

I live in Seattle, where, I am told the percentage of same-sex oriented folks is about 12%, and Barbara and I are fortunate enought to have a wide number of friends and acquaintances, some of whom happen to be gay or lesbian. We know six couples (four male and two female) who live in long-term, stable relationships, and they seem to be just as close and loving as any hetero relationship. One of the men is a regular in our monthly "writers' critique" group and he and his partner are frequently guests in our home during holiday celebrations.

So it's not as if I'm viewing this from afar or making it up as I go along.

I don't think either GfS or Akenaton have the wit to grasp the idea that there is more to relationships than selfish sexual gratification (of whatever variety).

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Smedley
Date: 12 Jan 10 - 02:34 PM

An interesting tale, Don, but I fear its clarity and carefulness will be lost on poor dear GfS. In particular, your story shows how decisions about personal & sexual lives occur in particular social and cultural contexts, whereas if we can charitably credit GfS with anything resembling a coherent thought-pattern, it is a fervent belief that sexuality and sexual lives must be thought of in terms of utter absolutes, whether theological or 'scientific'.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don Firth
Date: 12 Jan 10 - 02:18 PM

GfS, you've made a number of snotty, nasty-minded allegations about me based on something I revealed about my own personal life on the Prop. 8 thread. So, not for your benefit, but to set the record straight for anyone else who might be wondering what the hell you're blathering on about—

A few decades back, along with the civil rights movement, many women began taking charge of their lives rather than having their roles defined by an essentially patriarchal society. Writers such as Gloria Steinam and Germaine Greer were protesting such things as women getting paid about 70% of what men got paid for doing the same work, and generally speaking out for women's rights. Some (including some women) viewed this with alarm. but all-in-all, it was a good thing.

Among other things was the matter of marriage and reproductive rights. There were some women who did want to have children, but didn't want what they regarded as the restrictions of marriage.

Often, a woman would chose a man with intelligence and talent to breed with—someone they felt had "good genes." And that man may not be aware that he is being used primarily—as GfS so quaintly puts it—as a "sperm donor," and entered into the relationship under the assumption that it had some future to it that included him. But her agenda does not include marriage. She's a liberated woman.

So—after a time, it may then come to pass that the woman decides she wants to be married after all, especially to the man who fathered her child. But since a bit of time has passed, the man has moved on. And has married someone else. So she marries someone else. A good man and a good father, who raises the child as if it were his own.

The "sperm donor" stays away—in fact, is asked to stay away—so as not to be an interfering or disrupting factor in the newly formed family. So he bows to the situation, and accedes to the request.

Later, when the child is grown, she decides that he has a right to know who his real father is. So she explains the situation to him. Wanting to meet his real father, he contacts him, and they get together. The son is a bright lad, thoroughly understands the situation, is happy to discover that he has two families, and although the father and the son live in different countries, they manage to get together for an enjoyable few weeks a couple of times a year.

####

You see, GfS, the scenario you have built up about me is loaded with selfishness, lust, betrayal, tawdriness, anger, resentment, and general mean-spiritedness, and it springs from a mind reasonably well-suited to writing soap operas.

That says one helluva lot more about you than it does about me.

So—there's an end to it, GfS!! Get your mind out of the gutter.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Ebbie
Date: 12 Jan 10 - 12:57 PM

"It always seems to me that people who concern themselves with what goes on in other people's bedrooms must be very discontented at what goes on in their own."

Right, Jim Carroll. I agree. One of them is in our midst flailing about; luckily he is one of only two. I think we should introduce them to each other in real time. :)

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Jan 10 - 12:17 PM

"my concern is that it soon may be made compulsary."
Here we have an offensive display of a tiny group of obsessives being judgemental on the sexuality of others - really none of their business. I've witnessed thousands of cases of homophobes condemning homosexuality, even going out in gangs to beat them up, but I can't ever remember a gay criticising a hetro for being 'straight'.
It always seems to me that people who concern themselves with what goes on in other people's bedrooms must be very discontented at what goes on in their own.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: mauvepink
Date: 12 Jan 10 - 11:24 AM

In reality I am sure there are many homosexuals who are deeply unhappy with their sexuality, male and female. I know I have met quite a few. But I never actually heard one deny being gay. What they hate about their sexuality is all the hate and upset that they suffer struggling with being gay because of what is dished out to them or what they fear if they 'come out'. The discrimination, the rejection, the shear hate, the loss of family and friends in some instances, etc tec.

Yes, of course some try to live a 'straight life'. Some actually make a success of it. Some live terrible lies in marraiges and their partners too as a consequence. Some commit suicide. Some will never know happiness. And most of this agony is inflicted by a few people in society who would not give them breath if they could help it. A great many of those dissenters are actually gay themselves, sadly, and try to turn on their own in denial and hate. Why?

Because being gay, while easier in some countries than it used to be, is still not easy generally. There is always someone with a pointed look or glance, a comment, a thump or worse... just because you happen to be gay.

The question still outstanding on this thread by those who see homosexuality as a choice is this. If being gay is such an easy choice, why do so many men and women choose to be in such tremendous pressure ovens when all they need to do is love the opposite gender?

I suspect the mass on this thread know the answer, and in society generally nowadays, which can only be a great step forward

mp

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Smedley
Date: 12 Jan 10 - 04:20 AM

GfS - you state that certain homosexuals have "a place of deep pain" inside them and a yearning, you imply, not to be gay.

As a happy homo, I completely agree with you. And that pain and yearning is 100% (I know you luuurrrve statistics) caused by people like you. Those poor queers are tortured by self-hatred as a direct response to the external hatred you and your kind foster and disseminate for twisted reasons of your own.

As ever, all you peddle is poison. Don't ever bite your tongue, dear, you might get septicaemia.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Royston
Date: 12 Jan 10 - 04:10 AM

In fact, as an example of how marginalised you are, I remember in June last year I was flying from LA to Miami. There was a gay latino couple in Business with an obviously new-born bay that they were taking home.

They looked and behaved just like any "new" fathers would have done -proud, nervous, happy etc. A woman, the mother of one of the guys, was constantly clucking around them and the baby, so it became quite a spectator sport for the business cabin.

After the meal service, the cabin crew came forward with glasses of champagne for the couple, wished them all goodwill and congratulations, to which a spontaneous ripple of applause broke out through the cabin and anyone that had a glass, raised it.

I'm glad that aren't too many folks like you and Ake out there.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Royston
Date: 12 Jan 10 - 03:58 AM

GFS Said Has it ever occurred to you, that certain VALUED qualities, sensitive qualities, that were damaged in people SHOULD be genetically passed down, if only they knew there was a way to get there??? You don't think, that deep inside certain homosexuals, that there is a place of deep pain, and wishing, 'if they only could...but I can't'. Now maybe I'm talking to the wrong guy, because of your LACK OF WILL to do that, but there are others, who know exactly what I'm saying! Your blathering about me hating homosexuals, is utterly complete nonsense.

You need to get out more. Gay men and women have been having and raising kids for decades. Gay men and Lesbians enter into co-parenting agreements and artificial insemination arrangements or even do it the old-fashioned way if desires allow. Wealthier gay men go into surrogacy contracts with women. Most of the developed world now supports same-sex parenting, adoption and fostering.

So, any gay person that wishes to raise a family, can.

You see this is why I get pissed off debating with people like you GfS. You are such a shit for brains. You know nothing.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Ebbie
Date: 12 Jan 10 - 02:33 AM

lol I'm sitting here laughing - the thought occurs to me that if GtS really, truly were the therapist she claims she is she'd be in BIG trouble if the Board became aware of this thread - and others like it. lol