BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don Firth
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 07:56 PM

GfS, while my wife and my son (who is visiting this week from eastern Canada) are out doing some shopping, I just spent a disgusting half-hour wading through some of your posts on the Prop 8 thread.

You constantly refer to same-sex relationships as "dysfunctional behavior" and insist that homosexuals need to seek "counseling." True, I cannot find a specific instance of you saying—in so many words—that same-sex oriented people should be compelled to seek counseling. However, this is the thrust of most of your posts all through that thread.

Along with this, you keep insisting that "Homosexuality is NOT a political issue. It is, in FACT, A MENTAL HEALTH ISSUE!!" [direct quote from your post of 04 Jan 09 – 3:40 p.m. on the "Prop 8" thread]. And, of course, same-sex orientation was removed from the APA's list of psychiatric problems a few decades back, so it is not a mental health issue, according to those who know best. And you keep yapping that those who favor gay marriages being legally recognized are pushing the "liberal agenda" when you said in that same post that the matter is not a political issue.

I presume that this sort of flip-flop and chronic self-contradiction is because your tongue gets all tangle around you eye-teeth, so you can't see what you're saying.

Also, in the vast majority of posts in both that thread and in this one, you indulge in abusing those with whom you disagree and sprinkle your posts with smutty-mouthed personal insults (your latest being to call me a "big mouth maggot liar"—very mature in the debating department, GfS!), and in the Prop 8 thread, you are warned several times by Joe Offer to stop cutting and pasting from other peoples' posts, and when quoting others, to indicate that it is a quote and to give proper attribution to whoever you are quoting from. And—to lay off the personal insults and abuse. But you go right on doing it anyway, from that thread on into this one.

If you can't remember from one post to another which lie or which piece of misinformation you posted previously, then I'm not going to spend any more time wading through that septic tank you call a brain and try to find them for you. Do your own damned homework!

There is no need for me to apologize to anyone, especially not you.

I think I'll go take a shower!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Royston
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 05:49 PM

Careful, Don. T, you will be labelled a part of the homosexual conspiracy in a moment. Mrs. T. will have to take your handbags and heels away.

Seriously, mate, I wouldn't give these tired embers any further oxygen.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Royston
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 05:46 PM

Keith, you and Lox argued the toss (no pun intended) over STI rates and reached a number of agreements that knocked back a lot of your claims at the time. I am not about to get dragged back into your private statistical hell. We've been at this for months, it was execrable going in one direction - going round in circles again now is absurd.

Don't tell Ake that you "don't exactly agree" with him or that you are "traditionally on opposing sides" when a few posts back you looked at his prejudices and called them "robustly put" concerns for people's well being and when you came into this argument to defend those views. You must really be hoping that nobody else is reading this. Nobody else is going to take you seriously for that.

My posting record is here in black and white. If, now that you know I am gay, you want to forensically analyse months of discussion for new lines of attack then you will do it alone.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 05:41 PM

Official figures:- 10% of young heterosexual women in the UK infected with STDs, most commonly Chlamydia.

What do you reckon, Keith, is likely to happen to that figure when you add in the number of young heterosexual men with infections?

Where did the girls get it from, Keith?

Then think about the older heteros of both sexes.....Frightening, isn't it?

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 05:12 PM

Royston, you posted about STIs more than once.
You have not been asked about it before.
Can you justify your claims?
A reasonable request surely.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 04:45 PM

I guess they're still looking...........

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Royston
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 04:38 PM

I...hit send too early

I suspect that you subscribe to the "last man standing" school.

So go ahead, knock yourself out.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Royston
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 04:35 PM

I have explained my comment - the one and only gibe. There is nothing more to add, Keith.

I did not attack anyone - gay, straight, black or white. You saying otherwise does not make it so.

Others will have to decide what to make of both of us.

I

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 02:42 PM

Akeneaton, we have traditionally been on opposing sides when we have been in debate.
We do not exactly agree even here.
Royston tried to use your posts as justification for his anti straight outburst.
I just pointed out that nothing you or anyone else said had any bearing on that nasty bit of bile he spat out.
I was not trying to speak for you.

So Royston, what about your claim that STIs are worse among straights, and your attacking the morals and sexual hygiene of African immigrants?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 02:00 PM

Royston....I would be obliged if you would address any problems you have with what I have written here, to me and not to Keith.

Keith has supplied only factual evidence to this thread, he has never to my knowledge expressed any personal opinion on homosexual practice.

Keith and I are opposed on quite a few political issues, but is straight in the true meaning of the word.

I dont suppose he would be presently involved here, had you not verbally abused him earlier.

I also suppose you regret that mistake rather deeply.

Why dont you just give up?   The opposition to the views concerning homosexual health statistics has faded, leaving only the lunatic fringe; Don T, yourself and Smedley....who seems to be in the throes of a nervous breakdown..... Is it really worth it? best just go back to sleep!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Royston
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 01:30 PM

Debate?, Keith. What, you and I hitting each other with handbags?

We could go at this ad infinitum. You have proven your point: that accusations and name-calling are easy to bandy about, others will just have to make their own mind up where, if anywhere, there is any substance to what you and I accuse each other of.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 10:19 AM

Don, it is just that you keep asking to be taken through things again that we have already finished with.
Since no one else is reading I suppose it does not matter, but you get in the way of the current debate.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 09:40 AM

""Use pm next time.""

For what reason?.....To hide the untenability of your insistence that how things are is how they will always be?

No thanks, I'd rather set you up for the inevitable results of your dumbass naivete.

It'll take time, but I'll be on your case, come the day.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 08:14 AM

More evidence of an anti straight agenda.

In Royston's first post he also refers to "the well-documented tidal wave of heterosexually acquired STI's amongst straight teenagers in the UK"

Is it well documented that straight infection is worse?
I have evidence to the contrary.
What do you have Royston?

That post says that hetero AIDS has overtaken gay Aids, and hetero STIs are worse than gay STIs, because of straight loose morals and disgusting sexual hygiene, and none of it is true.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 05:44 AM

Please don't spoil it for me Smedley.
I imagine an audience of thousands hanging on my every gibe.
We are hurting no one, and although no one else cares, I will not meekly allow myself to be called bigot, homophobe, racist, liar,...

I will not blame you if you leave us to it Smedley.
All the best,
keith.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Smedley
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 05:16 AM

My nervous breakdown, that's what. (Oh and another nice big round number.)

Can't you just let it go ? You all have sincere views, ranging from the righteous to the deranged, but do you think you are ever going to persuade each other to back down ? No. So why not let it shrivel ?

And if someone says "because X called me a dirty rotten liar and I'm not", IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER, because nobody is reading this thread except you yourselves.

And me, evidently. But I couldn't really give a flying fuckeroo.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Smedley
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 05:13 AM

.....in this thread ?????

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Smedley
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 05:12 AM

.......is looming up......

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Smedley
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 05:11 AM

Guess what......

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 04:03 AM

Did you mean to say,"networks"?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 03:31 AM

Those early posts of Ake and GFS (it was only Ake in your first attempted excuse!) are robustly put, but they only reference the increased risk of infection which you acknowledge.
Not once do they ascribe it to loose morals.
Not once do they comment on sexual hygiene.

So there was nothing in those posts to warrant an attack on morals or sexual hygiene, and you had not read them then anyway.
But, unlike me, you say you are happy to be called bigot, so we can move on.

You said you did not know that the 5 fold (uk acquired) increase was in people from Africa, so can we take it that you did know that the bigger rise referred to in your first post was mainly due to infection in Africa?
So was the "loose morals and grotesque sexual hygiene" remark mainly intended for them?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Royston
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 03:02 AM

Sex in prison.

You need to do some more reading, Keith. Yes I would imagine most inmates fear prison sexuality, sometimes it amounts to rape and sexual violence. For many it does not. And the people involved do not - whether consensual or not - identify themselves as homosexual. So my comment was wrong or nasty in what way, exactly?

Plenty of articles, this is just the first I found.

http://lockupdoc.com/2009/11/sex-between-prison-inmates-why-it-cannot-be-ignored

In the context of the discussion at the time it was an important comment on the fact that sexuality is not a fixed thing in very many people.

Now, Keith, why aren't you attacking any one else that made the same observation. it was on the thread before me? What does that tell us about you?

At least we got you to admit that you do wholeheartedly support Ake's view's as "robustly put" concern for his fellow man.

You're busted, Keith.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 01:29 AM

You said "The straightest of the straight is quite happy to get a bit from one of the lads

Happy to betray the wives anf girlfriends outside. Is that what you think about them?
Royston, the overwhelming fear of the straight man going to prison is that he will be forced into gay sex.

Those early posts of Ake and GFS (it was only Ake in your first attempted excuse!) are robustly put, but they only reference the increased risk of infection which you acknowledge.
Not once do they ascribe it to loose morals.
Not once do they comment on sexual hygiene.
There is nothing there to incite your nasty anti straight gibe.
In any case, when criticised early on for raising old issues, you apologized and said you had not read it.
You have not excused yourself. It came from you and revealed something you would now want to conceal.

Don T, by now thousands of straight people have been infected.
If they were susceptable to an epidemic it would have happened.
The extra number of African contacts will not alter that.
This has all been gone over. Use pm next time.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 11:34 PM

Royston: "In context - gay men and black people getting judged by GfS and Ake for behaviour....."

GfS: WHAT??????? Okay, you cut and paste where I mentioned 'black people's behavior, or you can join the ranks with Don.

Some of you, will go to no limit on finding stuff to bullshit about!
Hey, 95% of all forest fires are caused by trees, too!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 11:28 PM

Don: "Everything I said still stands.
I leave it for others to make up their own minds as to who's telling the truth."

Don: "It is YOU who insists THAT SAME-SEX ORIENTED people MUST SEEK COUNSELING for their "condition."

GfS: Now being as I've contended that you misquote, and lie, and 'go on' about what you MISINTERPRETED what I say, I'll Show you...Now Ebbie, pay attention, ..I mean, YOUR the one who would lay money down, about Don being right.....(Shhh..don't take up gambling)

OK Don, You big mouth maggot liar, find where I posted that! (MUST SEEK COUNSELING) Cut and paste the quote, with the date, from the thread, or you can apologize to the posters and all those reading who don't post, for deliberately lying to them!
If you can't do that, then shut the fuck up!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Royston
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 06:50 PM

Oh, is it that you see homosexuality as some sort of accusation that can be made to hurt someone - your reference to remarks on prison homosexual acts being "nasty". Yes, that would be entirely consistent with your prejudices, wouldn't it.

My word we are learning, aren't we.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Royston
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 06:46 PM

Keith: "posted others including that nasty one about straight people in prison"

So, the prison comment was neither nasty nor a gibe.

What "others" are you referring to Keith. Do tell...or retract.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Royston
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 06:41 PM

Keith: "No refernce to morals or sexual hygiene.
Just concerns about health, which I would hope that you share."

That you could read Ake's shit and reach that conclusion is extraordinary. I should just shut up and let you hang yourself. Amazing.

Straight people in prison. Nasty comment. What was that?

I said "The straightest of the straight is quite happy to get a bit from one of the lads when they're all in prison together, so sexuality is hardly a fixed reference."

How is that nasty? How is that inaccurate? You are aware, aren't you, of the well documented sexual behaviours in prisons, the HIV problems in prisons and the condom provisions and education programs that are deployed in prisons?

A lot of people have referenced heterosexual men who have sex with other heterosexual men in this thread - prisons being the most obvious example. Oh, but of course Keith, you only want to attack the gay guy that said it. Of course. We see.

Keep it coming Keith, keep it coming. I am happy to be called a zealot or even a bigot - by people like you. I have never claimed any political or other impartiality. You have claimed those things. You won't be able to in future. You have shown your hand and are continuing to do so nicely.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 06:15 PM

""We have seen that the general population is not susceptable to an epidemic.""

NO! WE HAVE NOT!

All that we have seen is that there are few contacts with carriers, as yet, but as your "integration" scenario takes place there will be many more, and as the numbers of contacts increase, so will the numbers of infections, because the indigenous grouping are not very good at avoiding sexually transmitted diseases, and HIV is a sexually transmitted disease.

This is what Royston has been trying to explain to you for weeks past.

I don't know how to put this more simply so that you might understand straightforward logic.

The fact that something has not happened so far is not proof that it will not happen in the future.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 05:34 PM

I was right then.
No refernce to morals or sexual hygiene.
Just concerns about health, which I would hope that you share.
Your nasty, bigoted remarks were unprovoked, and came from your own hangups.

So, we both accuse each other of being bigots, which of course we both deny.
The difference is that I have never made a single bigoted remark, and you had to resort to faking one.
You have made this extreme bigoted gibe twice, and posted others including that nasty one about straight people in prison.

The excuse for making them was pathetic, and you could not even substantiate that.
You will go on denying it, but your motivation is clear.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Royston
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 05:22 PM

10/1 @ 11:50am Do you not even consider the life expectancy/ health figures pertaining to homosexual practice?

9/1 @ 02:01pm Sex outwith marriage will always be part of life.....its just nature at work......totally different from homosexual practice with all its associated problems, which have been well documented here

27/12 @ 09:14 Despite all the shit you post Don.....your only arugment amounts the belief that all sexual minorities should be treated equally.

A dozen times I have made the argument that this is not the case and provided facts to prove it. Rights are conditional on health psychiatric considerations and homosexuality at the moment contravenes both these considerations.

26/12 @ 03:08 I am addressing the health issues associated with homosexual practice, and the dangers of promoting homosexuality as a safe and healthy lifestyle.Marriage is to be redefined to accomodate homosexuality.
This promotion is in fact a tactic to turn what should be a health issue into a political issue.
As I have said many times sexual minorities are not all treated with "no prejudice" nor should they be if the welfare of these same minorities and society at large is to mean anything at all

22/12 @ 07:00 I'm amazed that you can joke about a disease which is showing a steady increase in the figures and continuing to decimate your community.....Are you really happy to allow these figures to climb, rather than address the reasons why they are so bad in comparison to heteros. Your remark about "virus ridden homosexual practice" may have been a joke, but it betrays a lamentable lack of understanding about the real extent of the problem and a lack of will in addressing it.

20/12 @ 07:47am I too think homosexuality is repugnant,against nature and based on psychological problems. ... the answer is to turn away and let the homosexuals get on with their lives,but unfortunatly this is getting harder and harder to achieve, as "gay culture " ouzes from every media orifice with all its nasty innuendo,like little boys behind the bike shed and god help anyone who tries to stop them."

Hmmmm. I wonder who could have written this?

This post has been extensively cut in a typical "hatchet job" by one of the most devious posters on the forum, but I stand by all my remarks even tho' they were made many years ago.

-----------------------------

And that is just a small sample I clipped before I lost the will to live reading this shit again.

All the little slanders, chisel-blows, overt slagging off and innuendo that gay men are peculiarly sick, have unhygienic practices or are immoral in ways that straight people are not. And then they extended their pontification to black people as well. All with the implicit and/or explicit agenda that minorities bring it on themselves.

So I got pissed off and slapped them in the face with one angry comment uttered twice in a dialogue.

And you support them.

Congratulations. Like I say, we are learning about you.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 04:31 PM

I have looked for refs. to morals and sexual hygiene from Ake and GFS prior to your post.
Can't find any.
Have I missed it or did something else goad you to twice make that gibe?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Royston
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 04:20 PM

The same comment, in the same dialogue. As in one gibe. Trouble counting, Keith?

In context - gay men and black people getting judged by GfS and Ake for behaviour - it was throwing their implication back at them. If that sentiment was justified for one group it must be justified for the other.

"And just for the record - unlike you, I always state what I mean - I do believe that the cause of sexual tranmission of STI's and HIV in The West, where we have all the privileges of healthcare and education, is *often* the result of poor sexual hygiene and *possibly* poor morality - whether gay, straight, black or white."

Never any doubt about my views, Keith. Just lots of questions about yours.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 04:10 PM

Oh, and did you mean it when you said it again next day??

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 04:09 PM

You will have to help me out here Royston.
Make it simple for me.
When you said "This means that straight people are suffering from grotesque sexual hygiene and morals." did you mean it or not?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Royston
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 03:31 PM

No, you wilful idiot. It's mostly about networks.

You wont' get HIV "networking" with Mrs A.

But the kids you teach will be exposed to infection when/if they "network" in the local nightclubs on a regular basis. That is how they contract so many other STI's

Gay men face greater risk because they are members of a far tighter sexual network.

Africans (in Africa) have had an epidemic in the general population because of the networking symbiosis of labour and political migration with prostitution, coupled with poor access to education, healthcare, diagnosis and ART treatment which - most critically - breaks the mother to child tranmission vector that has shot HIV through generations of Africans.

The reasons for different groups suffering HIV in different ways are NOT PRIMARILY differentiated by behaviours.

And thank you for confirming that I have only made the one comment that excites you so much, rather than the "rabid anti-straight gibes" that you incorrectly described.

You and I both know the context to that, so does everyone else.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 03:01 PM

10th Jan.
only statistical conclusion is that heterosexual communities are paying the greatest price for their loose morals and grotesque sexual hygiene.

11th jan.
The point Lox is making about HPV and any other STI is that the incidence is sky rocketing amongst straight people.
This means that straight people are suffering from grotesque sexual hygiene and morals.

So straight infection is down to loose morals and grotesque hygiene, but gay infection is due to "networks."
No bias there then.

I have posted no reports about Africa. They were both about African communities in Britain.
thread.cfm?threadid=125426&page=34#2833696

I scanned Ake's posts for days previous. There was nothing to justify that outburst of bile.
I recall other slanders, like saying all straight men (I remember it was "all") like a bit of sex with their friends in prison.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Royston
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 02:25 PM

Can someone confirm that my posts are visible please?

You see I worry that Keith can't see what people write and that this is why he sounds as though he's talking to the voices in his head.

Can anyone see me repeat my comments, like this one:

"And just for the record - unlike you, I always state what I mean - I do believe that the cause of sexual tranmission of STI's and HIV in The West, where we have all the privileges of healthcare and education, is *often* the result of poor sexual hygiene and *possibly* poor morality - whether gay, straight, black or white."

Or the ones where I give Keith the corrections that he asks for, or answer a question, only for him to keep going on about quote marks and saying that I haven't answered a particular question?

There is question I haven't answered, sorry - I did not know that the 500% increase was *mostly* in immigrant populations. But this emerged weeks ago and was accepted. I said at the time that I was uninterested - not being a racist - in the skin-colour of people suffering disease. I pointed out that black and white people (gay and straight) do have sex together, so any increase is a threat to everyone. Particularly a threat to the sraight white people who are having so much unprotected sex (other STI infection rates at 10%!!) in the mistaken belief that the odds of contracting HIV are staying as low as they have been.

It's all there in errm, black and white.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Royston
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 02:13 PM

Keith: "No other contributor has made rabid, anti straight gibes like yours.
You have not told us why you made them."

Keith, you're lying again. I made one comment. Not plural "gibes". One comment, that you keep picking away at. Yes it is a "gibe". Is it anti-straight? Is it bollocks.

I have told you why I said it - twice. Most recently this morning.

You repeatedly saying otherwise won't change a lot. It's there in black and white. You knew the context of the comment when it was made two months ago, nearly, and you know it now.

The reason your faux-outrage is so pointless is that there is never any doubt about my views or opinions - they are there for everyone to see and they rarely change. So nobody is really listening to you, except to note that since I told you I was gay you think you've found a stick to beat me with.

Marvellous stuff, Keith. Speaks volumes about you. Keep it coming.

By the way, those reports you keep banging on about, the ones about African cultural practices, like polygamy. They are reports about Africa, aren't they? Not about the disease in UK populations of any colour? That is right, isn't it? Correct me if I'm wrong. I'd hate for there to be any confusion. I'd hate for anyone to get the wrong impression that they had anything to do with the UK-acquired infections, if in fact they talk of something totally different. I know that you like everything to be completely clear, Keith.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don Firth
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 12:52 PM

GfS, rave on!

Everything I said still stands.

I leave it for others to make up their own minds as to who's telling the truth. You're the one who's frothing at the mouth.

TTFN

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 12:40 PM

GfS, if you persist in throwing commas around like that, we're going to run out of them.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 12:33 PM

Don: "It is YOU who insists that same-sex oriented people must seek counseling for their "condition."

GfS: This is another bold faced lie, from you...besides, you already lost this debate.....I held out an olive branch to you..it wasn't to pick off the olives to put in your gin, to bolt down a couple or so shots...then jump back on the computer, and type out more of your nonsensical, tirades, based on your misquotes, to stir up animosities to promote your particular mental illnesses!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 10:11 AM

They will have relationships outside from the start.
Infection will cross.
We have seen that the general population is not susceptable to an epidemic.
As they integrate their lifestyle will become more British and less African. That is how it goes.
You of all people should be carefull of shouting "stupidity" Don.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 09:58 AM

""Are you saying that because we have established a community of people from Subsaharan Africa, that the locals are going to take up their customs??

Experience suggests that the reverse will happen as they slowly integrate.""

Do you actually understand (really understand) the meaning of the word integrate?

Can you then oblige by telling us how the Subsaharan African grouping is going to integrate with the indigenous population, while still keeping all their relationships within their own group.

Some of the nonsense you spout, can be put down to honest misunderstanding, but the above smacks of plain stupidity.

You have taken a position, and in two sentences shot it to pieces, and you are claiming Royston and I are discredited.

Stunning!

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 07:59 AM

The damn quote marks.
You explained "I added them to try to indicate I was paraphrasing the way I understood your position."
No one uses quotes like that.
Anyone would believe you were quoting me.
You have to fake bigotted quotes because I never make any.

The direct copy paste was me repeating official government health reports endorsed by all the African and AIDS organisation about high risk practice and behaviour.
How can it be bigotted to repeat that?
It is just a different culture. It is not perjorative. They may have a higher AIDS risk, but they have a lowere risk for diabetes, cancer and heart disease.

No other contributor has made rabid, anti straight gibes like yours.
You have not told us why you made them.

Did you know at the start that the apparent rise in hetero infection was caused by the influx of African peoples?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Royston
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 05:55 AM

Was I pursuing some "anti-straight agenda" when I said:

"And just for the record - unlike you, I always state what I mean - I do believe that the cause of sexual tranmission of STI's and HIV in The West, where we have all the privileges of healthcare and education, is *often* the result of poor sexual hygiene and *possibly* poor morality - whether gay, straight, black or white."

Grow up, Keith.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Royston
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 04:57 AM

Keith,

That you keep repeating the same old dross at thin air, does not mean that anyone is trying to "slink away". This is exactly the behaviour I predicted from you, accurately.

I have no problem with my "grotesque sexual behaviour / morals" comment. I have explained it twice now - why do you keep shouting into thin air that I have not explained it?

Ake/GfS were asserting that gay men were suffering HIV because of those things. I explained, given the other STI figures, that on that basis, straight people must be suffering other STI's for exactly the same reasons. My position is that the argument is bogus when directed any person or group. So don't be so fatuous, you are not in school now, teacher. When people cast an inaccurate assertion at one group, the simples way to deal with it is to show how it could equally apply to another - and be inapplicable therefore to either.

Yes, Keith, I accuse you of being a bigot. I have explained why. I have provided as a direct copy/paste the principal comment that leads me to that view. You deny it. Fine, people will have to make their minds up. But don't say that anything has not been explained, it has been.

Why are you banging on about the damn quote marks. You asked for a correction to that, which I happily gave.

And now you show your true colours: "Anti straight agenda". Is Lox "anti-straight", or Don T or Don F or any of the others that argued against homophobia? Am I "anti-white" for arguing against racism? Am I anti-atheist (or a Catholic) for arguing here against religious intolerance? Am I anti-Christian for arguing against islamophobia? How far are you going to tie yourself in knots with that line of your bigoted attack.

No, my views are clear and consistent.

So are yours...now! This is good stuff, Keith. Keep it coming.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 02:00 AM

Again they slink away from difficult questions.
I will restate them and insist this time they answer before raising more spurious issues.

Royston, why do you call me bigot and falsely accuse me of making derogatory remarks about gay and African people, even putting quotes on something I never said nor, anything like it?

Why do you yourself make bitter, hate filled remarks about straight sexual practice?

Did you know from the start that the apparent rise in heterosexual infection was actually caused by the influx of African peoples, so that your whole excursion on this thread was a huge lie, perpetrated to promote your twisted, anti straight agenda?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 01:52 AM

Don T, how are you getting on with that list of things I have not proved you wrong about?
How many so far, in round figures?
I think it is a very round figure indeed. Right?

Nought?

So welcome to my world Don, but it is not a fantasy world after all, is it Don?

And of course, this is yet another thing you have been proved wrong about!
I will chalk it up.
Thanks for bringing it up Don.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don Firth
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 01:33 PM

(I don't know why I bother!!)

GfS, you are LYING again!

I have never, at any time, said that I am opposed to a homosexual, male or female, going to a qualified psychotherapist or psychological counselor for any reason whatsoever, including wishing to alter their sexual orientation--if that's what they want to do and feel that it will help them.

That is the choice of any free citizen. And if you will note, freedom of choice has been my thesis all along. It is YOU who insists that same-sex oriented people must seek counseling for their "condition."

And I have no problem with folks who are oriented toward their own gender, nor am I offended by them. It is YOU who have expressed deeply personal negative feelings toward homosexuals and have indicated that you are offended by their "lifestyle"—to the extent that you would try to force them to seek counseling.

And no, you are not holding out any kind of olive branch. YOU are the one whom I find offensive because of your constant lying and generally misrepresenting what I have posted.

Frankly, GfS, judging from what YOU have posted—and which you now deny and try to blame on others, me in particular (the message in question came from YOUR computer, not mine)—I tend to suspect that you would rather climb the vertical face of El Capitan and swan-dive off the top rather than admit to yourself that you are gayer than a night in Rio during Carnival, but you haven't got the guts to face the possibility.

Which accounts for you obsessive homophobia.

Have a nice day!

Don Firth