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BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
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Subject: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Bobert Date: 20 Jul 10 - 09:32 PM Well, well, well... Seems that Fox News has pulled off it's latest ACORN hatchet job on a women who works for the Department of Agriculture in assistin' farmers in gettin' federally backed loans... Yep, Shirley Sherrod, who has worked in that capacity since the early 80's has been torpedoes by Fox and in turn, without any review of the facts, by the Obama administartion... This women in a speech to the NAACP spoke about an incident that occured back in 1986 where she was to assist a "white farmer" in getting a loan... She had previously worked with black farmers and thought that she would put this white farmer thru the ringer... Problem is that her better side thought that that wasn't what she was to do and so she helped this white farmer, Roger Spooner, save his farm... The entire speech was so taken out of context that she was fired yesterday... Now the truth comes out... Fox edited the speech to make it sound as if Ms. Sherrod was talkin' about recnt events when in reality these things occured some 3 decades ago... Fox also left out "the rest of the story" whioch was rewally about how this couragous women, a black women who had grown up in the deep South, has overcome her prejudices... That was the real story... Not Fox so-called newsw lies and manipulations... Shame on Fox but... ...shame on the Obama administrations fallin' for Fox's lies... This career woman need to be reinstated and Obama need to tell Fox so-called news to... ...fuck the fuck off!!! B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: GUEST,MarkS(on the road) Date: 20 Jul 10 - 09:51 PM C'mon Bobert, trust yer gommernt. They only have our best interests at heart. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: mousethief Date: 20 Jul 10 - 09:55 PM Yeah I don't expect anything but lies from Fox. But shame on the administration for not checking up on it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Amos Date: 20 Jul 10 - 11:32 PM Really a poor reaction on the administration's part, whoever did it. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 21 Jul 10 - 01:20 AM Amos: "Really a poor reaction on the administration's part, whoever did it". Amos, is that really you??..you mean to tell me that YOU actually are criticizing your American Idols?? Welcome aboard! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Bobert Date: 21 Jul 10 - 08:36 AM Looks as if the Obama administration realizes it got snookered by the right and is makin' all the proper noises about reviewing the situation and possibly offering Ms. Sherrod her job back... If I were her, I'd make them crawl on their hands and knees before I'd take the job back... BTW, this all is indicitive of just how difficult the right has made it for the government to function... Rather than throw one positive idea into the problems that confront the nation it seems very content on just playin' games... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: GUEST,TIA Date: 21 Jul 10 - 08:45 AM GfS- Of course the Obama administration screwed this up. Now tell us please, does Fox news bear any culpability? Perhaps now that you've gotten the gratuitous Obama dig off your chest you can return to being the impartial observer that you always claim to be and comment on Fox's role. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Greg F. Date: 21 Jul 10 - 09:20 AM Anyone - including the Obama Administration - that believes ANYTHING that Fox "News"[sic] puts out without independent corroboration is a complete ass. I'm afraid Fox & the Administration have to share the responsibility for this colossal fuck-up. Question is, has the Obama Administration got the balls to say they made a mistake & make it right? I sure as hell hope so. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Bill D Date: 21 Jul 10 - 09:25 AM I think Andrew Breitbart did the editing....Fox News simply took it and ran with it, never bothering to check it out (after all, it looked SO delicious a scandal to hang on Obama!) Now THIS one might get Fox News and one specific conservative into real trouble. That is such scurrilous, crappy reporting and lying that it may backfire totally. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: SINSULL Date: 21 Jul 10 - 09:25 AM From the story I read yesterday, the NAACP chimed right in damning the woman for her prejudcie. Be interesting to see where this goes. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Greg F. Date: 21 Jul 10 - 09:29 AM Now THIS one might get Fox News and one specific conservative into real trouble. That is such scurrilous, crappy reporting and lying that it may backfire totally. Forlorn hope. "No one ever went broke underestimating the taste or intelligence of the American people." - H.L. Mencken |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Bobert Date: 21 Jul 10 - 09:35 AM Sad commentary on the state of our nation... Seems that the right wing is so well financed and has so much access to what used to be "publicly owned" airwaves to spread propaganda that it can keep the country in a constant state of aggitation... I mean, there are righties being paid big corporate lobby money just to invent BIGASS LIES and distortions... The right makes Moveon.com look like choir boys... Too well funded... I doubt if the brownshirts were this well funded... But, looks as if Obama will try to get Ms. Sherrod her job back over the next several days... That is, if she'll take the job back which is now a different story... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: kendall Date: 21 Jul 10 - 09:40 AM Just one lie after another. Fair and balanced my fat Aunt Harriet. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Bill D Date: 21 Jul 10 - 09:55 AM "...the NAACP chimed right in damning the woman ..." But the NAACP spent hours apologizing yeaterday...both the the woman and to the public in general... for not checking out the story first. NAACP president Benjanin Jealous was on TV, on several programs, telling the world that this should be an object lesson about how to respond to such stories. Everyone was so anxious to be politically correct about racism, that they acted before thinking. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Bill D Date: 21 Jul 10 - 10:05 AM ""No one ever went broke underestimating the taste or intelligence of the American people." - H.L. Mencken" ummm-Greg.... especially since that is not an exact quote, and I have seen that quote also attributed to Henry Ford and P.T. Barnum...and maybe others. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Riginslinger Date: 21 Jul 10 - 10:14 AM Actually, it wasn't Fox News this time. It was posted by an organization that calls itself BigGovernment.com The NAACP went after her. She said nobody in the administration would listen, and now Jesse Jackson is out there trying to grab headlines in the aftermath. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Maryrrf Date: 21 Jul 10 - 10:14 AM Fox News is usually on at the gym when I'm on the excercise bike, and it's so awful I can't stop looking at it and marvelling in disbelief at how this right wing propaganda machine passes itself off as news. It's a disgrace and I would not take anything reported on Fox as remotely true without verifying it through other means. Obama probably did act hastily. But I'm sure he feels very much under assault by these strident extremists who have managed to gather a following. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: SINSULL Date: 21 Jul 10 - 10:16 AM Slander? Libel? And she is making them crawl. Sherrod claims she may not feel comfortable working at the Agriculture Department. Once again, none of this has any bearing on what is best for the American people. Just jump at the chance to make he other guy look bad. Other guy reacts and covers ass. Shame on the Obama Administration for knee jerk reactions instead of taking a breath and investigating. Breitbart, meantime, has destoryed any credibility he may have had. FOX never had any to begin with. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Bobert Date: 21 Jul 10 - 10:21 AM Yeah, Obama seems to let FOX have way too much power... I think he oughtta just admit that the same rabid 20% who ended up being Bush suypporters as the economy was collapsing around us are going to be with US perminently... They will not change under any circumstance... They are like those Japanese soldiers who refused to accept the war was over and gholed up in various Pacific islands... I mean, Obama should ignore the ent6ire bunch... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Greg F. Date: 21 Jul 10 - 10:33 AM ...that is not an exact quote, and I have seen that quote also attributed to Henry Ford and P.T. Barnum... PEDANT ALERT !!! Well, Bill- you get the general idea, dontcha? Suppose it depends on which reference - Bartletts, etc. - you consult. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Donuel Date: 21 Jul 10 - 10:37 AM She was not fired yet she serves as serves as another example that Fox, Brightman and Drudge editing if video out of context can not and should not be mistaken for journalism. Federal law allows anyone who is asked to resign to have a hearing. This lady could have stood her ground and asked for a hearing. It was announced that the White House has urged Vilsack to review and correct any mistakes that were made yesterday. Glen Beck has filled the shoes of a contemporary Joseph McCarthy and will in time become an evangelist who will speak for God in the most loathsome paranoid shades of fear by turning truth around 180 degrees. The Glen Beck stories of Black Panthers seeking to kill white cracker babies is another example of the hateful race baiting happening today on FOX. If I were to illustrate the Beck claim I would draw a child, feeding baby crackers to the Panther at the Zoo, this image would be more factual than Glen Beck's rage over "reverse racism". (Reverse racism is something I do not believe in since the word racism encompasses the entire idiocy of hate all by itself) Down on the farm we had a saying for victims of hateful attacks. "Even a dog knows when it gets kicked on purpose" We are all being stepped on by the trans national syndicated propoganda machine called Fox and its minions like Glen, Kelly, Michelle and Rush. The key to all successful propoganda is emotion. The average human will not notice two people speaking politely to one another, but inject a couple who are screaming or crying and every fiber of your being alerts all of your attention to the emotional disturbance in order to weigh the possibility of your own safety being jeopardized by the belligerant angry arguing couple, even if they are only actors with little talent. Hitler's slow rise to emotional intensity during his rallies is the obvious model for this phenomenon. There is a defense against this kind of mind control. There is still the remote possibility that the administration will fight this propoganda fire with truthful fire. But again after writing here for 10 years, I have repeated myself. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: SINSULL Date: 21 Jul 10 - 10:59 AM "Breitbart, meantime, has destoryed any credibility he may have had. " I love that typo! |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Riginslinger Date: 21 Jul 10 - 11:01 AM The news in America is the news. Fox is just one side of a two headed coin. It takes a lot more effort to get at the truth. You can't get the whole truth from either side. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Donuel Date: 21 Jul 10 - 11:10 AM crap I will proof read next time. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Donuel Date: 21 Jul 10 - 11:19 AM I believe one could take a parable of Jesus out of context to the extent that his remarks would appear so hateful and evil that God and Holy ghost would both ask Jesus to resign. While the devil laughed his ass off. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Joe Offer Date: 21 Jul 10 - 12:33 PM Can anybody find links to videos on this story? I'm on the road, and my time and tech capacity are limited. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Bill D Date: 21 Jul 10 - 12:43 PM here's the original story which started it all Here's one exposé of it. search on "Andrew Breitbart and get dozens of his. Here's Rachel Maddows take on it |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: mousethief Date: 21 Jul 10 - 12:46 PM The news in America is the news. Fox is just one side of a two headed coin. Nope, sorry, that dog won't hunt. NO news source on the left twists the truth anything like as much as Fox. Saying "the left does it too" is not fair and balanced. Yes the news from the left is slanted. A little. Nothing LIKE Fox. Saying "the left does it too" is implying they do it to the same extent. It's more of the same lies. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Alice Date: 21 Jul 10 - 01:00 PM Here is a link to the full speech on video. I followed this news story from early yesterday morning when the farmer's wife called CNN and told them the initial report was wrong, that Shirley had actually HELPED them SAVE their farm. By last night, the full video speech and interviews with Shirley and the elderly farm couple and apology from the NAACP were on CNN. http://www.naacp.org/news/entry/video_sherrod/ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: kendall Date: 21 Jul 10 - 01:09 PM And the man she helped stands by her. What's that worth? |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Riginslinger Date: 21 Jul 10 - 01:27 PM "NO news source on the left twists the truth anything like as much as Fox..." Yes, they do, and worse in some cases. Think Judith Miller and the New York Times in the ramp-up to invade Iraq. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Bobert Date: 21 Jul 10 - 02:22 PM I would challenge any rightie here or anywhere to find one single lie that Rachael Maddow or Keith Olberman have told on their shows... Come on, lets get real... We know who the friggin' *liars* are and where to find 'um: FOX!!! And that is the real deal... The right feels vulnerable and so it's got the BIGASS LIE machine redlined these days... Thery want to get their boys back in power so their boys can better protect the wealthy from the masses... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Bobert Date: 21 Jul 10 - 02:28 PM BTW, Rigs, ain't like Judith Miller went out of her way to lie... She, just like the editors of every major newspaper in the country, didn't have the balls to stand up the the Bush/Cheney/Wolfowitz/Pearle/Rove BIGASS LIE WAR MACHINE... Name me one editor who did any different... None did... Not the Washinton Post... Not the Chicago Tribune... Not the LA Times... None of them did... Miller ain't in the same league with this current batch of pathological right winged olympic quality LIARS... Not even close... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Alice Date: 21 Jul 10 - 02:31 PM Here is part of the NAACP statement in the news release after they viewed the entire speech given by Ms. Sherrod: "...Next time we are confronted by a racial controversy broken by Fox News or their allies in the Tea Party like Mr. Breitbart, we will consider the source and be more deliberate in responding. The tape of Ms. Sherrod's speech at an NAACP banquet was deliberately edited to create a false impression of racial bias, and to create a controversy where none existed..." full press release CLICK HERE |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Riginslinger Date: 21 Jul 10 - 02:39 PM In any event, he proved they were as racist as anyone else, which was his point. The larger point is, there are more important things to worry about than race. The election of Obama made this argument irrelevant. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Alice Date: 21 Jul 10 - 02:47 PM He (the guy who edited the video to mislead) did not prove anyone was racist. I just watched a live split screen on CNN of Shirley Sherrod watching the Gibbs press conference where the press secretary had to answer questions about what happened with the rush to judgment based on the misleading video of Ms. Sherrod. When Gibbs apologized on behalf of the administration, she finally smiled. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Riginslinger Date: 21 Jul 10 - 02:54 PM He was talking about the organization, at least, that's what he says. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Alice Date: 21 Jul 10 - 03:02 PM Ms. Sherrod speaking at the banquet was "testifying" her story, she was teaching a moral lesson, and the audience was not showing racism in their response. The right wing is grasping at straws to try to justify the racist signs, billboards and banners of the president that have been marched about by the tea party. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: SINSULL Date: 21 Jul 10 - 03:06 PM The Tea Party isn't racist, Alice. Its members are. A whole different thing. I insist you refudiate that statement. heh heh |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Alice Date: 21 Jul 10 - 03:14 PM I think, also, too my reputement was misunderestimated, ya know. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: mousethief Date: 21 Jul 10 - 03:21 PM You're just bein' a maverick, ainchoo. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: beardedbruce Date: 21 Jul 10 - 03:59 PM 1. the editing was not by Fox 2. the White House told her to resign BEFORE the Fox show that would supposedly have shown the tape ( which it did not). No attempt to look at the facts, and the NAACP, WHICH HAD THE ENTIRE TAPE, pushed for her to be fired. The White House has shown that it considers political advantage to be more important than a person's career, and it would rather do what is expedient than what is right. Since this was NOT edited or shown by Fox, I suspect I should insist that the thread title be changed to not be a blatent political lie. But that might be too much to ask. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: mousethief Date: 21 Jul 10 - 04:30 PM The White House has shown that it considers political advantage to be more important than a person's career, Valerie Plame, anyone? |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: beardedbruce Date: 21 Jul 10 - 04:31 PM White House apologizes to ousted Ag worker Mary Clare Jalonick And Ben Evans, Associated Press Writers – 5 mins ago WASHINGTON – An embarrassed White House apologized on Wednesday to a black Agriculture Department employee who was ousted for her remarks about race, saying the administration did not know all the facts when she was fired. White House spokesman Robert Gibbs called the dismissal of Shirley Sherrod an injustice and a mistake and said he was apologizing for the "entire administration." He said Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack was trying to reach her to extend an apology. "I accept the apology," Sherrod said on CNN after watching Gibbs talk to reporters at a televised briefing. But she said the apology took too long and she wasn't sure if she wanted her job back. "I just don't know at this point, I don't know," she said, adding that she would be surprised if Vilsack offered her the job. Gibbs said Obama had been briefed as the situation developed. "He talked about the fact that a disservice had been done, an injustice had happened and, because the facts had changed, a review of the decision based on those facts should be taken," Gibbs said. Sherrod has said she submitted her resignation under pressure from the White House. The Agriculture Department says it was Vilsack's decision alone. Sherrod was asked by department officials to resign on Monday after conservative bloggers posted a video of her saying she didn't initially give a white farmer as much help as she could have 24 years ago, when she was working for a farmers' aid group. Sherrod says she used the story in her speech to the NAACP to promote racial reconciliation and that the edited video distorted her remarks. After a video of her full speech was posted online by the NAACP, the White House called the Agriculture Department about the case Tuesday night and it was agreed that her ouster should be reviewed. Gibbs said people in the administration and outside of it acted without all the facts. "We now have a more complete set of facts," he said. The White House is facing strong criticism over the case, which marks a stumble for both the Obama administration and the NAACP. Both reversed their positions after initially condemning Sherrod's remarks based on the video first released Monday night. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: SINSULL Date: 21 Jul 10 - 04:38 PM Irony - Breitbart was adopted. His birth father's occupaion was listed as "folksinger". LOL |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Riginslinger Date: 21 Jul 10 - 04:43 PM Which would explain how he got the narrative so right in the end. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Bill D Date: 21 Jul 10 - 04:46 PM Bruce...Bill O'Reilly said she should resign BEFORE the White House response OR the NAACP response. "No attempt to look at the facts, and the NAACP, WHICH HAD THE ENTIRE TAPE, pushed for her to be fired." One small branch of the NAACP in Georgia had the original tape when the story broke. They recorded it for their own records.Your comment is how stories get twisted. You make it appear that the **national** NAACP knew all about this. What the hell is wrong with just agreeing for once that some of your favorite right-wing talkers went WAY out on a limb and thus, given the nervous climate, tempted administration officials to rush to judgement? Shame on those officials for being careless...but FOX was the instigator!!! I can agree that Fox didn't do the editing, but STILL be appalled that FOX gave it wide airplay by 4-5 different commentators without checking. CNN just made clear that THEY had the story Monday before noon, but decided they 'might' run it Tuesday because they needed time to properly check it out first! Andrew Breitbart is not a journalist...he is an activist with a website...a VERY conservative activist whose claim to fame is pushing the edited ACORN tape. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: SINSULL Date: 21 Jul 10 - 04:50 PM Ah Bill. How's that windmill holding up? Much Love, SINS |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Bill D Date: 21 Jul 10 - 04:53 PM It is spinning wildly out of control, Mary....I can barely get my lance between the blades. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 21 Jul 10 - 04:55 PM TIA: "Perhaps now that you've gotten the gratuitous Obama dig off your chest you can return to being the impartial observer that you always claim to be and comment on Fox's role." I have railed both about the administration, and the 'News' media...and about corrupt politicians, and bullshit 'political activism',and 'political correctness' and the 'two parties'.......and a few other things, that I'm sure you can think of, being as you've probably been 'offended' by me, more than once!....so don't go picking out something out of context, and try to attack me on some slanted bias....just like Fox New just did!..BOTH of them are either corrupt or inept!! I'm surprised you'd try that on me, being as you just slammed Fox for it....Could it be your double standard?..or just being short sighted??...or maybe you just took your 'gratuitous dig' off your chest, eh? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Greg F. Date: 21 Jul 10 - 04:56 PM ...a VERY conservative activist whose claim to fame is pushing the edited ACORN tape. Which is to say a propagandist without a shred of ethics or decency and a lying sack of shit. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Bill D Date: 21 Jul 10 - 05:01 PM hmmm..... let me think about that... Ok..I thought. I'll take YOUR definition, Greg. |
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Subject: BS: Fox News falsely accuses Obama appointee From: Genie Date: 21 Jul 10 - 05:24 PM This is not the first time the Obama administration (and the Dems in Congress) have thrown someone under the bus in knee-jerk reaction to some unfounded accusation by Fox or others on the "Right." They did the same thing to ACORN (because of doctored videos, selective reporting of parts of the story, and distortions of the truth) and to one of Obama's first cabinet nominees (whose name I'm blanking on at the moment). George W Bush and the Republicans, either out of loyalty, principle, stubbornness or just plain chutzpah, seemed to stand by "their own" regardless of how valid or how important the accusations made against them. But Obama, like Bill Clinton, seems way too reticent to defend the people and organizations that he has supported and vice versa. Where's the backbone? Where's the loyalty? Where's the intention to get at the truth before reacting? |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Donuel Date: 21 Jul 10 - 06:17 PM "The political paintings of party perspectives all tend to be smear paintings. These smeary paintings add or subtract momentum of the swinging pendulum of public political opinion that eventually sway elections enough so that even the richest minority can divide and conquor the people." quote by: D.H."sayitdon'tsprayit" Mench So rage on with images of President Obama throwing people under speeding buses SPLISH!, or Eisenhower giving a speech on the dangers of a conspiratorial liberal military Industrial Congressional Complex EEK!. These are the very kinds of distortions that Glen Beck relies upon by stating a grain of truth, season it with a sprinkle of corporate religioUS bias and then turn it upside down and backwards before serving. Perhaps you too would forsake fairness, truth and honor for Beck's $30 million a year to go in your pocket. Tell me if the cash offer was valid, that you would not be tempted. *I bet Rig would jump at it. Amos would form an inquiry commitee with 1,000's of attached links. Spaw would take the cash, but spend the money on liberal reform and a profane tell all book. Mousetheif would abjectly refuse it. Bearded Bruce would sulk because he wasn't asked. *'written at the risk of satirical misinterpretation' |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: beardedbruce Date: 21 Jul 10 - 06:21 PM BillD, "but STILL be appalled that FOX gave it wide airplay by 4-5 different commentators without checking. " AFTER the Obama administration had fired her- WHEN IT WAS NEWS!! You can't blame Fox for what Obama does first- I will NOT agree that either side has a time machine to go back in the past and change the facts of the matter, as you seem to imply. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Riginslinger Date: 21 Jul 10 - 06:34 PM *I bet Rig would jump at it. Of course Glenn Beck is addicted to the recent superstion of Mormonism, so he has an excuse. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Bill D Date: 21 Jul 10 - 06:41 PM sorry, Bruce, but O'Reilly did it BEFORE, and the others just parroted him. The point is that any reputable 'news' organization...like CNN... would be sure it WAS true before reporting it. It might be that they also ran the story even after she was fired in order to embarass the administration.... And it was NOT "Obama" who fired her. You cannot continue to suggest that Obama personally sighn off on everything. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Donuel Date: 21 Jul 10 - 07:03 PM Sometimes you don't even have to take somthing out of context. All you need do is frame it differently. I use this example even though there are others that would paint Jesus as truely evil when framed entirely out of context; Jesus Parable on Corporate power and hiring illegal workers: Matt 20:1-16 "For the Kingdom of Heaven is like a man who was the master of a household, who went out early in the morning to hire laborers for his vineyard. When he had agreed with the laborers for a denarius a day, he sent them into his vineyard. He went out about the third hour, and saw others standing idle in the marketplace. To them he said, 'You also go into the vineyard, and whatever is right I will give you.' So they went their way. Again he went out about the sixth and the ninth hour, and did likewise. About the eleventh hour he went out, and found others standing idle. He said to them, 'Why do you stand here all day idle?' "They said to him, 'Because no one has hired us.' "He said to them, 'You also go into the vineyard, and you will receive whatever is right.' When evening had come, the lord of the vineyard said to his steward, 'Call the laborers and pay them their wages, beginning from the last to the first.' "When those who were hired at about the eleventh hour came, they each received a denarius. When the first came, they supposed that they would receive more; and they likewise each received a denarius. When they received it, they murmured against the master of the household, saying, 'These last have spent one hour, and you have made them equal to us, who have borne the burden of the day and the scorching heat!' "But he answered one of them, ' Go your way. It is my desire to give to this last just as much as to you. Isn't it lawful for me to do what I want to with what I own? Or is your eye evil, because I am good?' So the last will be first, and the first last. For many are called, but few are chosen." |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: pdq Date: 21 Jul 10 - 07:14 PM ...from CBS News (.com)... "The Department of Agriculture employee who resigned after a controversy erupted over recent remarks she made is now saying that the White House forced her resignation. Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack, however, is taking responsibility for the resignation, and the White House reportedly says it had no part in his decision. Shirley Sherrod, the USDA's former director of rural development in Georgia, said USDA deputy undersecretary Cheryl Cook called her Monday and said the White House wanted her to resign, the Associated Press reports. "They called me twice," Sherrod told the AP, noting that she was driving when she received the calls. "The last time they asked me to pull over the side of the road and submit my resignation on my Blackberry, and that's what I did." Sherrod submitted her resignation after she became the focus of scrutiny from Fox News and conservative blogs over remarks she gave at an NAACP Freedom Fund Banquet on March 27. A video of a portion of her remarks were posted on a conservative blog, giving the impression that Sherrod admitted to discriminating against a white farmer as an employee of the USDA. The comments were taken out of context, however. In her remarks that day, Sherrod was recounting a story that pre-dates her tenure at the USDA by more than two decades. Sherrod says in her story that Chapter 12 bankruptcy had just been enacted; Chapter 12 was instituted for family farmers in 1986, while Sherrod was appointed to head the USDA's Rural Development office in Georgia just last July. Furthermore, the point of Sherrod's story is that race is not an issue. Sherrod has said the video excerpt did not include the full story of her relationship with the farmer, with whom she says she became friends after helping him avoid foreclosure. Nevertheless, Sherrod says the White House pressed for her resignation..." {shortened but not edited, by me} |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Bobert Date: 21 Jul 10 - 07:32 PM Remember when FOX reported that snipers were shooting at doctors in New Orleans during Katrina??? Seems that FOX is perfectly willing to make news if they don't like the existing news... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: beardedbruce Date: 21 Jul 10 - 08:44 PM BillD, So he announced it before it happenned, AND "also ran the story even after she was fired in order to embarass the administration"???\ OReilly is on AFTER Beck ( who did NOT bringg it up, in spite of the lies here), and by that time she had already been fired. And if Bush was responsible for the actions of HIS administration, isn't it racist to say that Obama is NOT responsible???? |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Alice Date: 21 Jul 10 - 08:51 PM I wish a moderator could add "Shirley Sherrod" to this thread title, because that is what this is about and the title doesn't really reflect it. Here is the rest of the story about "Who is Shirley Sherrod", the history of her life and what she has accomplished. "Let's Work Together" Shirley Sherrod's motto |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Bobert Date: 21 Jul 10 - 09:17 PM I'll PM Joe, Alice... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Charley Noble Date: 21 Jul 10 - 10:39 PM Looking forward to the multimillion law suit that shuts down Andrew Breitbart for good. The Obama Administration certainly needs to apologize (as it has) and offer Shirley Sherrod either her old job or the job of Secretary of Agriculture, whatever she prefers. It's Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack who needs to be sacked (or put out in the south forty for grazing) for demanded that she resign without investigating the source of the video. Glad this story is over. Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Bill D Date: 21 Jul 10 - 10:54 PM "And if Bush was responsible for the actions of HIS administration, isn't it racist to say that Obama is NOT responsible????" what utter BS. First, I never SAID Bush personally was responsible for every gaffe someone under him made. I have said many times that Bush's policies were flawed, and that many of Bush's specific & overt decisions, recorded and repeated, were reprehensible. The list of THOSE is long. Second: Where in the He** do you get the idea that **racism** would enter OUR debate at all? Are you just baiting me? Or are you so steeped in right-wing double-talk that ANY nonsense is fair ammo for your grape-shot firing cannon? |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: mousethief Date: 21 Jul 10 - 11:55 PM What's racism got to do with it? Just because Obama (if he was involved with this at all, which hasn't been shown let alone proven) is making mistakes doesn't mean it has anything to do with his race. Nor does people being partisan necessarily have anything to do with race. If you're talking about diehard Democrats, they would have defended the president if the president were a white Democrat just as much. The suggest that this has anything to do with race at all is deeply racist. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Genie Date: 22 Jul 10 - 12:47 AM Donuel, do I detect a bit of digression in you recent posts? |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 22 Jul 10 - 07:09 AM I wish this story was over, Charley... Like Joe Wilson and the guy who showed up at a rally where Obama was to speak with the gun, these folks on the right become "folk heros" within Redneck Nation so there will be more of this... These people don't really care if the country goes down the drain if that's what it takes to get "the nigger" outta office and their "boys" back in power... To them it is outright war... Reminds me very much of seein' the the "boys" open fire hoses on balck marchers in Selma and of the George Wallaces and Lester Maddoxs... 80% of the country is now being utterly harrassed and terrorized by the loonie right... These are the same 20% who supported Cheney and Bush when the economy was collapsing and the US was stuck in two stupid wars... These people are what Eric Hoffer referred to as the "True Believers" and their actions are borish, bullying and downright anti-social... Maybe the left needs to take a page out of their handbook... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Riginslinger Date: 22 Jul 10 - 07:14 AM When you get the entire story, it doesn't look like Fox News had anything to do with it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,TIA Date: 22 Jul 10 - 08:40 AM Oh bullshit. Can you honestly say that Faux news critically examined and vetted the video before commenting. Did they come to the defense of Ms. Sherrod immediately upon seeing the video? Have they ever come to the defense of Acorn once it was conclusively proven that Breitbart concocted that one? They bear absolute responsibility for creating the current political atmosphere - in which simply the threat of Faux running the video (and then pushing it relentlessly and uncritically (of the video) -- just as they did with Acorn--) creates a huge PR problem despite the total dishonesty of the video...is enough to force the Whitehouse to (despicably) cave-in to their blackmail. This is all about Faux news. Breitbart may have made the video, but who was poised to make it their anti-Obama, anti-black people smear story of the month? When Faux comes clean about the Acorn incident, I will begin to believe anything you might say in their defense. Until then we can only judge Faux based on their dishonest, propagandistic deeds. And sorry, but if you believe that they were going to defend Ms. Sherrod, have another sip of Kool-Aid. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Riginslinger Date: 22 Jul 10 - 09:06 AM In the case of ACORN, they'd already done a number of things for which they were escaping prosecution--they needed to have their funding cut off. But in this case, Ms. Sherrod had already been discharged before Fox News even picked up the story. One of the right-wing story lines out there now is, the Obama administration set the whole thing up for the purpose of trying to make "race" relevant again, in time for the mid-term elections. While that might see wild and unfounded, it's no worse than a lot of the stuff coming from the left-wind media. The truth seems to be the victim in all of this. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 22 Jul 10 - 09:23 AM Will anyone get fired for this? |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Greg F. Date: 22 Jul 10 - 10:04 AM You mean the nutcase talking heads or someone in the govermnent? |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Amos Date: 22 Jul 10 - 11:01 AM "For background purposes, it's important to note that Andrew Breitbart is an attention-whore who is desperate to emulate his mentor, Matt Drudge, and this isn't the first time he's released misleading videotape "evidence" of African Americans behaving badly (or so he claims) in order to drive traffic to his various websites while augmenting his status as a player in the modern conservative movement. He previously engaged in the same chicanery when he released heavily edited and ultimately phony Jackass-style videos in which, he alleges, ACORN workers had given inappropriate advice to a (fake) pimp and a (fake) prostitute who were, among other things, seeking to engage in human trafficking. The videos turned out to be misleading at best, and the fake pimp character went on to plead guilty to charges of entering federal property under false pretense. Breitbart scammed nearly everyone on the ACORN videos including people who should have known better, like, for example, Jon Stewart. Breitbart has done it again. This time, he's flimflammed the White House, the NAACP and the traditional news media. None of this is a particularly big shocker, of course. This is what Breitbart does. He's another Karl Rove type in that his entire modus operandi is to tangle the debate -- to be an instigator. To kerfuffle everyone he engages until the discourse has become so confused, skewed and tangential that he's able to walk away more or less unscathed while the targets of his regularly scheduled crusades are often damaged beyond repair. ACORN is a national pariah. And this week, a decent woman is out of a job. By the way, also not shocking here is the fact that, once again, the far-right is targeting someone who is more or less a noncombatant. This isn't the first time far-right operatives, bloggers or Fox News hosts have targeted people who aren't participants in bigtime political discourse and who certainly don't have the wherewithal to defend themselves against, in the case of Fox News, one of the largest media organizations in the world. " (HuffPo) |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Riginslinger Date: 22 Jul 10 - 11:05 AM All media pick on people who can't defend themselves all the time. It's what they do. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 22 Jul 10 - 11:37 AM And don't forget the so-called Black Panthers... 24/7 showing the same 10 second clip over and over and over and over and over and over and over and... Same with Rev. Wright... Showing the same 10 second clip 24/7 over and over and over and over and over and oave and oave and oave and ovr and over and... Same with the story about snipers shooting at doctors in New Orleans during Katrina... FOX must think their audience are friggin' morons to have to show 10 second clips thousands of times in order for their brownshirts to get it??? (Nah, Boberdz... That ain't it... It's all about telling the BIGASS LIE over and over until the morons can repeat it backweards and forwards...) Ain' that some kinda brainwashing techique??? (Now you got it, Boberdz...) B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Donuel Date: 22 Jul 10 - 02:42 PM you go bert my cartoon Obama to his media troops "Don't fire until you see the whites of their lies!" ------------------------------- Holy Grail A witch A witch! How do you know she is a witch? Look at er nose, an er hat. "This isn't my nose, its an out of context nose!" hmm besides the hat and nose what else makes her a witch? She turned me into a NEWT! ...well I got better. In my opinion it seems Federal dept heads need to revisit this movie as well as every American mayor needs to play the game SIM City. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Donuel Date: 22 Jul 10 - 02:45 PM Does anyone else here know that Shirley Sherrod's father was murdered by the KKK? |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Donuel Date: 22 Jul 10 - 02:49 PM Amos, while what you say about foreign owned FOX news, and corporate sponsored Brietbart is entirely true, the sad truth is that FOX and Brietbart will both recieve more credibility and kudos as a result of this anti journalistic fiasco. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: pdq Date: 22 Jul 10 - 03:25 PM Shirley Sherrod's father was killed in 1965 in a dispute over three cows. Her father, named Hosie Miller, went to his neighbor and demanded he be given three cows which Miller claimed had wandered into the neighbor's field. The neighbor refused and said the cows were his and always had been. Miller may have had a gun, maybe not, but the angry confrontation resulted in Miller being shot and killed. Claims that race was the motivation or that the KKK was involved is inflamatory. Many neighbors learn to dislike each other and sometimes stupid things like this happen. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 22 Jul 10 - 06:14 PM KKK v. dispute... Doesn't mean anything to this story one way of another... The story has two story lines: 1. The racist right wing, afetr being confronted about their racism is trying to turn the tables with BIGASS LIES and... 2. Obama needs to quit fallin' for FOXs games... Screw FOX... It is a bully pulpit for racists, Nazis and assholes... Obama needs to call it like it is... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Riginslinger Date: 22 Jul 10 - 07:49 PM Does Obama know how it is? |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 22 Jul 10 - 08:11 PM Some days I wonder, Rigs... |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,TIA Date: 22 Jul 10 - 08:30 PM Faux's exclusive stories that they pushed hard until the rest of the media picked them up: Reverend Wright Acorn Van Jones New Black Panthers Sherrod... Hmmm. What's the common thread here? And drop the bullshit about how Faux had nothing to do with it. It was the threat of Faux running the story that caused the firing of Sherrod. USDA/White House despicably caved to this blackmail **by Faux** Yes technically Faux ran the story after her resignation, but that changes nothing. They did run the story, and they did shout along with Breitbart's scam - until they all got caught with their pants down, and then they instantly switched to shouting that Obama had made a "rush to judgement". What the fook had they been doing for the previous 36 hours?!?!?! If you've fallen for their shite, have another sip of that Kool Aid. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 22 Jul 10 - 08:48 PM Fox should have to register as lobbiests... It is abundantly clear that they are not a new program... They are a 24/7 pro-Repub anti-Dem organization... This country has never had anything like this... They are even co-organizers of the Tea Party??? I mean, this is wrong!!! This violates everything that the good folks put into legislation back in the 20's in regulating our piblic airwaves... This is wrong and FOX ought to be shut down... (But, Boberdz... That in violation of the 1st ammendment...) Bullshit... Fox is in violation of 80 years of law... It took a bunch of Repub appointed FCC comittee people to line up this perfect storm for the right wing to take over the media... Fuck this "left wing media bias"... That is a right wing joke... They know what they have pulled off here... Make no bones about it.... They know... They bought and paid for it and now they are enjoying it... This is corruption at the very core... Fox should be banned... They are teasonous and illegal under the laws that lasted until they paid corrupt politicans to turn back 80 years of established regs on media ownership... And for the record, if Murdock were to die tonight I'd go out and dance all day tomorrow... He is a corrupt thug... No, make that a lieing, corrupt thug... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Genie Date: 23 Jul 10 - 01:20 AM Amen, Bobert. And you are so right about the echo chamber and the misleading 10-sec. video clips. Rig, what Fox News "had to do with it" was running with the edited video and the distorted story, full bore, in the day or so when it first hit the blogosphere. Yes, the other "mainstream media" ran the story, unscrutinized, too, but Fox gave it far more coverage than the others did. Oh, and I think your accusations against ACORN need a lot more specificity and substantiation. (Even if a few workers in this large organization were shown to have misbehaved — and I'm not aware that's the case — since when does a large organization lose its credibility and funding because of something like that? Do we condemn a whole police department because of some rogue cop? Is a huge private corporation destroyed because some middle manager embezzles funds? Where's the evidence that ACORN, as an organization, was corrupt? As for the speculation that Obama's administration "set the whole thing up for the purpose of trying to make "race" relevant again, in time for the mid-term elections," HUH??? With blacks being less than 15% of the population and an even lower % of the VOTING populace, how would a focus on race benefit a mixed-race candidate? make "race" relevant again, in time for the mid-term elections," HUH??? With blacks being less than 15% of the population and an even lower % of the VOTING populace, how would a focus on race benefit a mixed-race candidate? TIA , you're so right that Faux News bears "absolute responsibility for creating the current political atmosphere - in which simply the threat of Faux running the video (and then pushing it relentlessly and uncritically (of the video) -- just as they did with Acorn--) creates a huge PR problem despite the total dishonesty of the video" and that this "is enough to force the Whitehouse to (despicably) cave-in to their blackmail." This is all about Faux news. Breitbart may have made the video, but who was poised to make it their anti-Obama, anti-black people smear story of the month? Bobert, you are so right about the echo chamber and the misleading 10-sec. video clips. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Riginslinger Date: 23 Jul 10 - 07:14 AM "...your accusations against ACORN need a lot more specificity and substantiation." I would point specifically to the founder's brother who embezzeled a bunch of money--other people's money, that's important--and then went unprosecuted. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 23 Jul 10 - 08:14 AM You haven't answered TIA's question, Rigs... You, have offered, however, the usual subterfuge... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Riginslinger Date: 23 Jul 10 - 08:34 AM Reverend Wright Acorn Van Jones New Black Panthers Sherrod... Hmmm. What's the common thread here? The answer is, except for Sherrod, there are some really bad people out there. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Neil D Date: 23 Jul 10 - 09:48 AM If the shoe fits... Keith Olbermann on the the Sherrod affair |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,TIA Date: 23 Jul 10 - 10:10 AM Why is Van Jones a really bad person? |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,TIA Date: 23 Jul 10 - 10:12 AM And... You've pointed out something that is *not* a common thread. Now please try to find a common thread. (Pssst...there is one if you set down that kool aid cup for even a moment). |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Riginslinger Date: 23 Jul 10 - 10:25 AM Right, you are reading what I'm saying, TIA. You listed a bunch of bad people, and then threw Shirley Sherrod's name into the mix--that's the common thread. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Riginslinger Date: 23 Jul 10 - 10:30 AM And Van Joes is really bad. He sells himself as being in favor of saving the environment, and then announces he supports "comprehensive immigration reform." He can't have it both ways. Now there's a whack-job for you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Amos Date: 23 Jul 10 - 10:58 AM WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama has ordered a more patient, deliberative style of governance from his aides and Cabinet members in the wake of a convulsive week surrounding the ouster of Agriculture Department official Shirley Sherrod. After telling Sherrod he regretted her forced resignation over racial remarks she made to an NAACP audience, Obama said in a nationally broadcast network interview he believes Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack "jumped the gun" in sacking the veteran Georgian federal worker. A refreshing change from the days when "wrong" was not part of the WHite House vocabulary except when applied to others. I'd like to know why Briebart is not being slammed for his intentional defamation of character. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Riginslinger Date: 23 Jul 10 - 12:19 PM Yeah, I wonder if somebody will bring charges and make a celebrity out of Briebart. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 23 Jul 10 - 01:06 PM Obama said in a nationally broadcast network interview he believes Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack "jumped the gun" in sacking the veteran Georgian federal worker. So can we take it that he will be appropriately punished for that? |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Arkie Date: 23 Jul 10 - 05:13 PM I am not sure what an appropriate punishment might me but publicly admitting such a mistake in a recording that is being played continuously and will be cropping up for the rest of his life is a start. That, while Briebart is being idolized. Wonder if Briebart represents the standard for the US that the tea party is attempting to establish. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Genie Date: 23 Jul 10 - 05:34 PM Rig, you say the ACORN founder's brother was guilty of embezzlement. If that's true, since when does that condemn a whole organization of corruption? If someone in Bill Gates's family was guilty of embezzlement, would that mean Microsoft was a corrupt organization? I think that would depend on how widespread the malfeasance was in the organization and whether the organization dealt appropriately with the offending persons when they were found out. |
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Subject: RE: Breitbart & Fox News distort Sherrod's views From: Genie Date: 23 Jul 10 - 05:47 PM Rig, what you're accusing Van Jones of is a) disagreeing with your political views and b) being somewhat inconsistent (as you see it) in his own views. Since when does that amount to being "a bad person" or corrupt? Reverend Wright, like Ms. Sherrod, was smeared in the media largely by short snippets - out of 20 years of sermons - being played over and over by the media. I do not blame Obama for distancing himself from Wright after Wright basically threw Obama under the proverbial bus by suggesting that Obama would say whatever he had to in order to win election. But I have read and heard a lot more of Wright's sermons and interviews, and he is neither racist nor corrupt. He is provocative in his messages and flambuoyant in his style, but that doesn't make him corrupt. ACORN, too, has a long history of doing a tremendous lot of good for low-income and disabled people and minorities (helping them find legal help, housing, employment, and access to other non-profit and public services; helping them get registered to vote; etc.) As with my example of police departments, finding some misbehavior on the part of some ACORN workers does not justify writing off the whole organization as "corrupt" or "bad." As for the New Black Panthers, maybe they are racist. Or maybe it's just a handful of highly visible members. In either case, it was the Bush administration's DOJ who first decided not to prosecute them. And the snippets of violent, racist talk that are being echoed all over Fox now are from years ago, not current. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Genie Date: 23 Jul 10 - 05:55 PM Obama has been too quick to withdraw the nominations of anyone the right wing goes after, such as Van Jones. If anyone really deserves to be axed, it's Vilsack, whose knee-jerk reaction to Brietbart's falsehoods and distortions not only harmed Shirley Sherrod but brought undeserved shame to the administration itself. Some say that anyone in a private corporation who did such a thing would be fired immediately. Brietbart and Fox behaved with deliberate malice (politically anyway), IMO. The other media behaved unprofessionally by echoing the distortions without examination. But Vilsack behaved unprofessionally and irresponsibly too, and in a way that caused considerable harm. Shirley Sherrod would have grounds to sue Vilsack, but she has accepted his apology. I don't think Fox or Brietbart have apologized or tried to make up for the damage they've done. Sherrod should sue them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Donuel Date: 23 Jul 10 - 06:01 PM Neil Thank you for being a small reasoning voice in the noisy asylum as well as the link to Keith. Can a Klan member murder a black man completely outside of the sanctions and beliefs of the Klan? That some people here think so and go on to say that it is not a relevent part of the story of a black woman who has gained redemption and clarity in the rural American south throughout the last 50 years, is beyond me. Its like saying that fathers have no effect on children. Overall it is fortunate that this story progressed as it did, not only for the Dreyfus Affair comparisons but for the future which will demand more clarity, deliberate research and wisdom when good people are attacked. When Riginslinger (aka Martin Gibson) attacks people without even repeating the absurd proposed propoganda that FOX presented but merely says "yes they are bad people", he reminds me of the slime Brietbart. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Greg F. Date: 23 Jul 10 - 06:01 PM ...Rig, you say the ACORN founder's brother was guilty of embezzlement.... Yeah, and George Dumbya's grandfather was a Nazi collaborator. So what? |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 23 Jul 10 - 06:03 PM I think this entire episode has finally taught Obama that cowtieing to people who are paid big bucks to create lies and distortions about him and his administartion is a waste of time... Yeah, expect some push back next time Fox & Co sets one of their patented traps... I mean, one can only play the pea-under-the-shell-game but so long and Obama ain't stupid... BTW, I would love to see Shirely Sherrod sue Breitbart for, oh, around $20M for defamation of character... That would be a major step toward pushing back against these creeps... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Riginslinger Date: 23 Jul 10 - 06:25 PM "Yeah, and George Dumbya's grandfather was a Nazi collaborator." Yeah, well so was JFK's dad. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Riginslinger Date: 23 Jul 10 - 06:26 PM "Rig, you say the ACORN founder's brother was guilty of embezzlement. If that's true, since when does that condemn a whole organization of corruption?" Because the whole organization covered for him. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Riginslinger Date: 23 Jul 10 - 06:30 PM "I don't think Fox or Brietbart have apologized or tried to make up for the damage they've done." Bill O'Reilly did apologize, very profusely, and Shepard Smith refused to run the material because he couldn't validate it. Which is more than some left wing outlets did. Brietbart lives on another planet. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Amos Date: 23 Jul 10 - 06:59 PM From the sound of it Rig, you are an occasional visitor there! A |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Riginslinger Date: 23 Jul 10 - 07:19 PM It was on NPR earlier this morning, Amos. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Amos Date: 24 Jul 10 - 10:04 AM "For the former Bush speechwriter David Frum, itÕs been an example of whatÕs worst about the conservative media scene: There will be no apology or statement of regret for distributing a doctored tape to defame and destroy someone. There will be not even a flutter of interest among conservatives in discussing BreitbartÕs role. By the morning of July 21, the Fox & Friends morning show could devote a segment to the Sherrod case without so much as a mention of BreitbartÕs role. The central fact of the Sherrod story has been edited out of the conservative narrative, just as it was edited out of the tape itself. When people talk of the Òclosing of the conservative mindÓ this is what they mean: not that conservatives are more narrow-minded than other people Ñ everybody can be narrow minded Ñ but that conservatives have a unique capacity to ignore unwelcome fact." (Quoted by Tobin Harshaw in the NYT) |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Greg F. Date: 24 Jul 10 - 10:25 AM Or a unique capacity to ignore facts, period. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Riginslinger Date: 24 Jul 10 - 02:56 PM "(Quoted by Tobin Harshaw in the NYT)" And that's the problem. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Donuel Date: 24 Jul 10 - 03:10 PM btw for Oberman to compare this incident with the Dreyfus affair is more absurd and over the top than usual. I do agree with his assesment of FOX continually race baiting society to cause harm to the Obama administration. Fox news #1 in race baiting #1 in editing hack jobs #1 in fear and loathing alerts #1 in moving a dicimal point to their propoganda advantage #1 in factually inaccurate but emotionally hysterical presentations. #1 in creating news than reporting it (like the war against Christmas) #2 in marshalling patriotic pro god guns guts glory and gung ho war fanaticism. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Amos Date: 24 Jul 10 - 03:10 PM Rig: That a stupid, snarky remark, and you are capable of much better. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Riginslinger Date: 24 Jul 10 - 05:45 PM Actually, Amos, I think Fox News has as much crediblity as the New York Times--though they're both a long ways from perfect. I think to get it into focus, one has to start with the news stories they each choose to cover. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Greg F. Date: 24 Jul 10 - 06:07 PM That a stupid, snarky remark, and you are capable of much better. Absolutely! I've seen him make MUCH more stupid and snarky remarks than that one. I think Fox News has as much crediblity as the New York Times In that event, you're an absolute moron. If you can prove that Harshaw is misquoting Frum, do so. Otherwise shut the fu$k up. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Riginslinger Date: 24 Jul 10 - 07:30 PM "In that event, you're an absolute moron." And you, Greg, have proven yourself to be completely incapable of grasping what's going on around you. Think Jayson Blair and Judith Miller, for instance. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 24 Jul 10 - 09:00 PM Judith Miller didn't do anything more wrong than every editor in every major newspaper in the country.... Yeah, she didn't have the balls to confront the Bush/Cheney War Machine during the mad-dash-to-Iraq... Big deal... No other editors did either... What is yer beef with Judith Miller anyway, Rigs... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST Date: 24 Jul 10 - 09:11 PM Check out vidoes 2-3-4......even though all are interesting |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 24 Jul 10 - 09:12 PM Before you puke at the thought of it........ Check out vidoes 2-3-4......even though all are interesting Interesting, eh? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 24 Jul 10 - 10:08 PM Hmmmmm??? I'm confused... I thought that Jesus was comin' for all the Believers and leavin' this joint to the heathens??? If that is the case then it would seem thatall off this is In Jesus's hands... So why join the Tea Party??? Is Jesus the head of the Tea Party??? Man, this entire story get's stranger by the day... (But, Boberdz... Is it any stranger that Oral Roberts and his dream of a 600 foot Jesus tellin' him to go out and raise money???) Well, ahhhh, no... (Then there you have it...) |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Amos Date: 24 Jul 10 - 11:13 PM Guest Insanity, Glenn Beck's interpretations are so skewed it sounds like his voice is below his belt. On th eoriginal issue, here's a good analysis of the Sherrod Screwup which puts it into a telling perspective. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,TIA Date: 24 Jul 10 - 11:30 PM RigMartin... You totally ducked and spun the question. Say buh-bye to your credibility. And have another sip of that kool-aid. Tastes just "right" dunnit? |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Riginslinger Date: 24 Jul 10 - 11:53 PM "Judith Miller... didn't have the balls to confront the Bush/Cheney War Machine during the mad-dash-to-Iraq..." She was a cheer leader for the mad-dash-to-Iraq. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Genie Date: 25 Jul 10 - 12:31 AM @ Rig [[Genie: @ Genie: "Rig, you say the ACORN founder's brother was guilty of embezzlement. If that's true, since when does that condemn a whole organization of corruption?"]] " Because the whole organization covered for him." And you know this how?? |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Genie Date: 25 Jul 10 - 12:35 AM Rig, you are right about Shepard Smith, of Fox, being nearly the only TV media person to refuse to run the material without first validating it. And, Bill Reilly may have apologized. But Fox News (cable) did run Brietbart's video over and over, more than the other news media did and seemed especially delighted to have such a juicy story that they could say painted Democrats and liberals as racists. Brietbart doesn't live on another planet, Rig. He seems to know all to well how to do political damage via this sort of deceptive propagandistic trick. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 25 Jul 10 - 01:29 AM Amos Lightfoot, My only comment was 'interesting, eh?'... Just something to think about...unless you find that painful! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 25 Jul 10 - 07:44 AM So Judith Miller was a cheerleader for the Bush/Cheney War Machine during the mad-dash-to-Iraq, eh Rrigs??? Like what editor of a major newspaper wasn't... The Washington Post certainly bent over backwards in support of the invasion... The Tribune likewise... So really, why single our Ms. Miller??? |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST Date: 25 Jul 10 - 08:32 AM "Like what editor of a major newspaper wasn't..." Okay, it's time to get real. Apparently every Jewish owned newspaper in America thought an American military presence in the Middle East would be good for Israel. As did every Jewish senator in the US Senate except Russ Feingold. "So really, why single our Ms. Miller???" She worked for the New York Times, and it was the Times we were talking about. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Riginslinger Date: 25 Jul 10 - 08:33 AM The above post is mine. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Greg F. Date: 25 Jul 10 - 08:36 AM So really, why single our Ms. Miller? Because its easy, quick & convenient and because he thinks it proves his point, which it doesn't. You expected in-depth analysis? |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Riginslinger Date: 25 Jul 10 - 08:38 AM "And you know this how??" It's everywhere. Here, for example: http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2009/10/acorn_embezzlement_was_5_milli.html "But Fox News (cable) did run Brietbart's video over and over," Yes, but not until after the lady was fired. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Greg F. Date: 25 Jul 10 - 08:40 AM Oh, NOW I get it, Rig - its all part of the International Jewish Conspiracy! Suppose I shoulda known. Ya sure the Illuminati aren't involved? |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Amos Date: 25 Jul 10 - 09:52 AM Guest in Sanity, While I realize your comment, "Interesting" was semantically null, I think the kind of half-wit straw-man illogic presented by Glen Beck is pathetic; and the fact that he enthralls anyone at all, let alone a significant following, is even more pathetic and disgusting. His basic piece of snake-oil legerdemain is to present a false premise and then beat his chest about how illogical it is. This of course is too easy. It is also misleading, distortive, excessively querulous and infantile. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Amos Date: 25 Jul 10 - 10:37 AM A step-by-step analysis of Beibart's egregious twisting of fact. The man should be charged for defamation and misinforming the world. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 25 Jul 10 - 11:09 AM No, Rigs... ***We*** weren't talking about the New York Times or Judith Miller... ***You*** were... Unless I missed something, no one else brought either up until you did... As fir yer Jews-Run-the-World conspiracy theory do you think that's what make the FOX un-newes and the Beibarts of the world go to such extremes to propagate falsehoods and distortions??? Interesting theory... Perhaps you'd like to elaboarte... Seems I have heard similar theories from other folks over the years... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Riginslinger Date: 25 Jul 10 - 12:38 PM I'll close with this: there is an ongoing food fight between not very smart people like Glenn Beck and really dumb people like Keith Olberman that goes on constantly. While that's happening the real criminals of the world are making out like bandits. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 25 Jul 10 - 12:57 PM If a person makes a mistake, then apologizes, one would think that he was O.K.....even on here. But, when O'Reilly apologized he's still not O.K....according to the boneheads. When the administration can't apologize, and does everything to cover their asses, I guess its O.K. too, right?? I'm assured that the security of this administration relies on the 'news' media for their intelligence...I'm glad they're watching out for us, with such comprehensive vigilance.....at least as good as they're watching us! Makes me think that their political IMAGE is more important than their ability to know the facts, BEFORE they act....sorta like the Bush Administration, and 911....or Clinton bombing an aspirin factory! Your ever increasing tax dollars at work! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bill D Date: 25 Jul 10 - 01:34 PM "...really dumb people like Keith Olberman ..." You don't have clue, do you? Olbermann ...(that's with TWO n's! It ain't really so hard to remember, is it?) ...has a better knowlege of history, a better perspective on today's issues, and a FAR better command of language than Beck can even imagine.... and evidently, better than anyone who had the silly audacity to make such riduculous comparisions! Anyone who has ever really listened to one of Keith's "special comments" You really gotta do better than just tossing out short, absurd characterizations if you want to be perceived as having any positions worth considering. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Riginslinger Date: 25 Jul 10 - 01:53 PM Well, it could be that Olberman(n) is really carrying out an agenda for somebody else and just acting dumb. I was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: pdq Date: 25 Jul 10 - 01:54 PM Keith Olbermann Caught Lying About Having An Ivy-League EducationIf you've ever watched any three nights of his show, you know that Olbermann went to Cornell. But he always forgets to mention that he went to the school that offers classes in milking and bovine management. Indeed, Keith is constantly lying about his nonexistent "Ivy League" education, boasting to Playboy magazine, for example: "My Ivy League education taught me how to cut corners, skim books and take an idea and write 15 pages on it, and also how to work all day at the Cornell radio station and never actually go to class." Except Keith didn't go to the Ivy League Cornell; he went to the Old MacDonald Cornell. The real Cornell, the School of Arts and Sciences (average SAT: 1,325; acceptance rate: 1 in 6 applicants), is the only Ivy League school at Cornell and the only one that grants a Bachelor of Arts degree. Keith went to an affiliated state college at Cornell, the College of Agriculture and Life Sciences (average SAT: about that of pulling guards at the University of South Carolina; acceptance rate: 1 of every 1.01 applicants). Olbermann's incessant lying about having an "Ivy League education" when he went to the non-Ivy League ag school at Cornell would be like a graduate of the Yale locksmithing school boasting about being a "Yale man." |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bill D Date: 25 Jul 10 - 03:12 PM pdq... you fail (as usual) to give your source for that 'information', or even to bother noting that it IS a C&P. Fortunately, *I* am able to find that it came. 3rd hand from "Topix.com" who got it from "Tom McMahon"...who extracted it from one of Ann Coulter's rants in March of LAST year. Now that is sure impressive! Ann Coulter is quite the fount of wisdom....until you read her tale and realize she is conducting an ad hominem attack with innuendo and exaggeration. *I* have watched WAY more than "three nights of his show", and I don't ever remember him mentioning where he went to school OR bragging about the details. I DO remember him talking about the fact that his early career was in broadcasting ...mostly sports. Obviously, he read and paid attention to other things along the way...even enough to be hired at FOX at one time. Now, I 'might' go find a list of other historical...and current... personages who were respected for their learning & ability, whether they ever went to college...or to a 'famous' college, or not.... but be assured there are many. *I* judge a person by what they know, how they present it, and how well what they say can be tested and verified and how they deal with stupid accusations such as your UNquote. Now... you wanta tackle Rachel Maddow, who is a gen-you-ine Rhodes scholar? |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Riginslinger Date: 25 Jul 10 - 03:13 PM Yes, not a very credible source, I'm afraid. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 25 Jul 10 - 03:49 PM What BillD said... I also watch the man and he has a vast knowledge of current affairs, sans the mythology... I've challenged ya'll righties to show where Olbermann ahs lied on his show... No, not bonehead proclamations by right winged bloggers, who BTW also don't watch his show, but actaul, ahhhhh, facts, as in the truth... The reason that O'Reilly Was quick to offer an apology is as plain as day... As the truth was coming out about Ms. Sherrod it was evident even to Helen Keller that the Obama administration was in a pickle and so Bill O just switched sides so that he would be on the most anti-Obama side... If ya'll righties can't see that then ya'll are blind to reality... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: pdq Date: 25 Jul 10 - 04:06 PM There seems to be some honest disagreemnt as to whether the College of Agriculture and Life, associated with the (real) Cornell School of Arts and Sciences, qualifies as the source of "an Ivy League education" as Keith Olbermann seems to suggest that he received. When he was accepted, the admission standards were much lower than the "real" Cornell, from which Ann Coulter graduated with honors. If people like Olbermann's "humorous digs", perhaps they should cultivate a similar appreciation for those from Miss Coulter. Just a suggestion. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Amos Date: 25 Jul 10 - 04:45 PM PDQ: The idea that you can find them comparable is a little jaw-dropping. Olbermann does not spew hatred against broad classes of people the way Coulter does, and his perpectives are informed by a humanistic understanding of situations, while hers are informed by partisan guttersniping as a means for printing money, and lying for pay. Viva la difference! |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 25 Jul 10 - 04:52 PM Ahhhhhh, just for the recod, but Virgina Tech was and still is an "agricultural school"... But ya' know what??? Doesn't really matter because Olbermann doesn't talk about it, or if he does, it is very seldom... Like I say, I've never herad the man toot is horn about any of his credentials... And even if he did, it still doesn't matter... I still challenge any rightie/leftied/centerie to come up with just one lie that Olbermannn ahs told on his show... Or Racael Maddow, for that matter... But there's another major difference between Olbermann/Maddow and Beck/O'Reiley... Olbermann/Maddow don't SCREAM at you... Like what's with all this childish SCREAMIN' on the right side of the TV/radio dial??? Seems to me that if folks think they have to SCREAM to get a point across then maybe that point ain't worth gettin' across??? B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,TIA Date: 25 Jul 10 - 05:24 PM Who is the dummy? Olbermann compared l'affaire Sherrod to l'affaire Dreyfus, and Beck spent his show the next day laughing about Olbermanns comments of "Richard Dreyfus". What a moron. He is such an ignorant know-nothing that he was completely unaware that Olbermann was talking about 19th century France, not 20th century Hollywood. BTW, where was Beck educated? Anybody know? |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Riginslinger Date: 25 Jul 10 - 05:25 PM I've never seen anyone scream as much as Olbermann, but then looking like a mole is probably a big impediment when it comes to getting your point across. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,TIA Date: 25 Jul 10 - 05:33 PM Oh yeah, Beck has the same degree as Limbaugh and Hannity. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 25 Jul 10 - 06:36 PM How'd you get so right-winged, Rigs, if you don't watch Beck and Big O... They are a couple serious screamers... Make Olbermann look like a man with larengintis... As for Beck, Hannity and limbaugh... Word on the street is that all ahve BS degrres (Bachelor of Screamer) from BSU (Billshit U)... Actually, Limbaugh is close to his PHD (Pure Hothead Druggie) from the U... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: pdq Date: 25 Jul 10 - 07:11 PM As far as ranting and raving and screaming, Keith Olbermann is in his own league. He did exactly the same act back on ESPN Sports Center, except that the targets were sports figures instead of the current victims, politicians. Truth be known, you could add the IQs of three of the men mentioned here, Olbermann, Beck and O'Reilly, and you would not equal the combined IQs of Rachel Maddow and Ann Coulter. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 25 Jul 10 - 07:29 PM How much time do you spend watching Olbermann, pdq??? Me??? Probably 3-4 hours a week and, yeah, he get's worked up durring his "special commentraies" but he warns folks when he's gonna do 'um... The rest of the time he is calm, cool and collected... Now as for Ann Coulter??? If you think her IQ is up there then I think ya' mightr wanta get yers, ahhhh, tuned up... lol... Rachael??? Yeah, okay, she's prolly smarter than the entire bunch... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Riginslinger Date: 25 Jul 10 - 08:28 PM "How'd you get so right-winged, Rigs," I'm not really right wing, Bobert. I just have come not to trust the mainstream media on much of anything. I appear to be right wing on immigration, because I think runaway population growth is a bad idea. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 25 Jul 10 - 08:49 PM Okay??? Let me ask you, Rigs... What leftist policies do you support... No offense her, ol' buddy but seems of late that yer way right of center... Be nice to hear where you find yerself left of center, por favor??? B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: pdq Date: 25 Jul 10 - 08:50 PM Smart don't mean you make good decisions. Think Truman Chapote as Secretary of State. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Ebbie Date: 25 Jul 10 - 09:24 PM Truman Chapote? Do you mean Truman Capote? |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Amos Date: 25 Jul 10 - 10:03 PM That's Truman Chipotle, the Mexican food critic. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Ebbie Date: 25 Jul 10 - 11:14 PM lol |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: ichMael Date: 25 Jul 10 - 11:29 PM So how'd this turn out? Did they find the racist who fired her? Is Fox news running white house domestic policy? Have Hobamanoids learned to differentiate their asses from their heads yet? |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 26 Jul 10 - 01:31 AM You all are actually debating what 'newscaster/commentator' is more accurate????????? If they were independent, that would be something, but these are guys reading filtered scripted news from corporate...you know, the same corporate who has their vested interest in what you are told...as much as BP! These are not journalists, investigative reporters or investigative anythings, Many of them are actors whose only gig was reporting...some started out as weathermen. Kieth Olbermann, was a sportscaster, who rose to fame smashing Clinton during the Monica Lewinski debacle. He was filling in for another reporter...and I'll say, he was good at it. Their job is to keep you engaged in the bullshit....and if it wasn't for bad news, or 'news' they can't whip up controversy about, the sponsors wouldn't be having viewers to peddle their crap remedies, for the neurotic crap their feeding you, and they'd be out of a job!..or replaced by another bottle blond clone. Jeez, Fox's blond cast, all look identical!..I can't tell one from the other...any of the networks always have their token minority member as well!..All of them! The days of Edward R. Murrow are far over! Now the debate is over your favorite news PERSONALITY???.....LOL! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Riginslinger Date: 26 Jul 10 - 02:00 AM "What leftist policies do you support..." The environment, which explains my position on immigration... I don't like church and religion A woman's right to choose I did support healthcare, but didn't like what they finally came up with I think the banking regulation they passed is better than nothing, though I don't understand leaving Fannie and Freddie out of it I don't think the Bush tax cuts should every have been passed, and they should be allowed to expire. I'm glad they extended unemployment benefits -- to name a few. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Riginslinger Date: 26 Jul 10 - 02:03 AM "Fox's blond cast, all look identical!..I can't tell one from the other..." They've even got a blond lady doctor who looks like a movie star. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 26 Jul 10 - 05:08 AM Even Greta van Sustern HAD to get plastic surgery, BEFORE her show aired!!! All that being said, Fox news goes a little deeper than some of the others...BUT you still have to spit out some bones! Look, What is the opposite of 'United we stand, divided we fall'?? Try 'Divide and conquer'...and that's exactly what is happening in this country...and its all a distraction to keep us from the real issues! everybody is divided over the stupidest shit, and the propaganda machine just keeps cranking it out. Sure we needed a financial reform...but we already had/have them...they just don't get enforced!...ie the anti-trust laws, and others, for starters. The Federal Reserve??...That is a private corporation printing our money...and lending it back to us at a stupid interest rate! Good going guys! What a fucking scam!...and coupled with that, the IRS, to make sure the debt on the interest gets paid for by us...ALL unconstitutional! Borders?..Same thing! The laws are there, but to further bullshit agendas, which are NOT designed for the benefit of mankind, or this country, but for the elite, to first make a profit, and then go for the power. Money is NOT their object, but POWER is...meanwhile, we watch our liberty and freedoms go down the drain.....WHILE WE BICKER! This last 'health care bill...What a fucking scam deluxe! Sure we needed that reformed too, because the insurance corporations(read: protection racketeers), got a bit out of control. Now the Federal government is swapping places with them, and the shit in that bill, BESIDES any concern for your 'health' is WAY out of control!..and if you don't think so, wait till it goes fully into effect! Another thing, just as I posted before, about the so-called 'Republicans' heaping power onto themselves, then the 'Democrats' not repealing it, wait till the 'Republicans' get the power of this stupid shit that the Dems put in place! ..It just keeps getting worse and worse. Its all a big charade!...and I'm ALMOST surprised that the general public, including a lot of us, don't see it! We have a supreme law in this land, and EVERY time some jack-ass politician, working on the behalf of a greed driven corporate special interest, smoke screens around it, WE GET FUCKED.......and the 'NEWS' media CORPORATIONS are every bit a part of it!!!! Now, as a 'remedy' and backlash, we got some ideologue radical trying to change the very form of government we have, going after corporations, and trying to replace them with an every bit corrupt, gigantic big brother government!..that has us so far in debt, that the average citizen had no part of creating, that we are two shakes from being made their slaves, to pay it off!.....DID YOU GET ANY 'STIMULUS' BENEFITS, OR MONEY??? Who did?? Where is it??? Is the unemployment down??? Do you think your taxes are going down??...even after the bullshit promises, during the campaign? This is the biggest Machiavellian scam going down, I think, in the history of modern man, and you want to argue about what 'news' personality, is lying more than the other???? Here, I'll solve it for you....THEY ALL ARE!...or they wouldn't be on the Federally licensed air waives! By the way, who are the biggest sponsors of the 'News' peak(hours)? Ok, just watch and count them yourselves...drug companies for big 'pharma'!..They even invent diseases to peddle their 'remedies' for. Next biggest is financial corporations....and after watching the 'NEWS' you think you NEED them both! I'd rather die broke and naturally, and live a better life!!..than to buy into that crap!...but then, that's how we live, in Sanity Land!..... ...and I have hardly even begun to list the absolute bullshit crap that we've been sold, under the guise of patriotism or 'civil rights', that had NOTHING to do with either!!!!!! Most Sincerely, GfS P.S. Stick to playing, and composing music...research has clearly shown, that it activates the more of the brain MORE than any other activity on the earth...including sex! Here, just for good measure: this one and this one: lyric lyrics lyrics! |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Greg F. Date: 26 Jul 10 - 07:04 AM "Leftist Policies" ? Jaysus. Now THERE'S yer problem. Them is all middle-of-the road policies, at worst. That some folks define them as "leftist" brings us back to delusion & nonsense. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 26 Jul 10 - 08:40 AM Seems that you are exposing the same "free market" policies that Reagan brought to the country, GfS... Well, they have been a miserable failure... You might not like regulations but without them we are definately going down the drain... This "idealogue" (I assume you mean Obama) is trying, at least, to get somethings fixed... Free markets brought us 17% of of GNP for health care... That alone is not a sustainable cost if the US wants to compete in the global economy... The stimulis??? Pure Republican buillshit that it isn't working...Most non-flat-earth economists say that it has saved millions of jobs... How quickly we forget the just how close the US economy was to crashin' and burning' in the falll of '08 and winter of '09... The stimulis is what brought us back from the brink... Yeah, their is way too much unemplyment and guess what??? We're going to have it for a long while... Even more and longer if the Repubs have their way... What the hell is cutting taxes gonna do?? Create more jobs??? That ain't gonna happen... The Fortune 500 companies are sitting on $1.8T right now and aren't hiring so giving them even more money won't do anything but drive the deficit up... This is common sense... Yeah, ain't like the Dems have been able to put *real* fixes in place but they have taken the first steps... The Repubs??? We know what they will do... We all witnessed it but seems like lotta folks got blainders on when it comes to remembering just how screwed up the country was under their control... So, yeah... It's easy to do the generic rant about what's wrong but givin' the reigns back over to the crooks that brought us this recession/depression ain't no answer at all... It's like using leeches for treating medical problems... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 26 Jul 10 - 09:56 AM BTW, the two BIGASS LIES that the Repubs are pushing this election cycle are the same two BIGASS LIES they have been peddling since Reagan: 1. The federal government is the enemy and... ...2. Democrats are elitists... There are various versions of these BIGASS LIES but if the Repubs can get enough people to think like that then they win... It doesn't matter what devious new plans they have in mind to continue the redistribution of wealth to the allready wealthy if they cann get enough people to buy into those two BIGASS LIES then Boss Hog is going be very, very happy... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: beardedbruce Date: 26 Jul 10 - 12:15 PM "Olbermann does not spew hatred against broad classes of people the way Coulter does, and his perpectives are informed by a humanistic understanding of situations, while hers are informed by partisan guttersniping as a means for printing money, and lying for pay. " The above statement from Amos is unsupported by the facts, and probably false. Olbermann DOES spew hatred against broad classes of people the way Coulter does, and most certainly is informed by partisan guttersniping as a means for printing money, and lying for pay. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 26 Jul 10 - 05:11 PM Perhaps you'd like to elaborate on the lies that you have proof that Olbermann has told on his show, bruce??? As for Keith's commentaries, "spewing" as compared to his rightie counterparts is hardly accurate... How 'bout watchin' a week's worth of Olbermann, bruce, so that you have some level of understanding of what his show is about... |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 26 Jul 10 - 05:16 PM Bobert, I think you misunderstood me, when I used the word 'elite'. I'm not talking about Republicans or Democrats...but rather the elites who own them..through corruption! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: beardedbruce Date: 26 Jul 10 - 05:29 PM Bobert, "Perhaps you'd like to elaborate on the lies that you have proof that Olbermann has told on his show, bruce???" And the actual words that Beck has done that ANY here consider lies? I have not heard any specifics in the accusations of the Left. "As for Keith's commentaries, "spewing" as compared to his rightie counterparts is hardly accurate... How 'bout watchin' a week's worth of Olbermann, bruce, so that you have some level of understanding of what his show is about... " I have listened to Obermann- and from the comments here have to believe that many here have NOT listened to Beck but only the warped rewording that the Left has presented of him. I listen to ALL sources of information, in an effort to find out the WHOLE truth: I then weed out lies and unsupported claims as less valuable than facts and documented reality. A shame that so many here do not. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Amos Date: 26 Jul 10 - 06:03 PM Bruce: I have listened to him frequently. If you cannpt discern the difference between his wit and occasional impassioned sarcasm, and her club-footed savagery you must have a tin ear. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: beardedbruce Date: 26 Jul 10 - 06:09 PM Amos, I just noticed that noth have a mean, nasty streak that they use on those that disagree with them whenever possible- as many here seem to have. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,TIA Date: 26 Jul 10 - 06:12 PM BB- The list of lies, with full references for the debunks is kept in a running spreadsheet by Scribd. To view the ever-expanding list of Glenn Beck lies, go here: http://www.scribd.com/doc/34319923/glenn-beck-lies clicky |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: beardedbruce Date: 26 Jul 10 - 06:27 PM OK. 6 arguable lies ( I disagree with several of the conclusions, and the last listed ( 07/12/2010) seems to be a rant based on blogs.) I think I can find far more than six outright false statements by Obama this year. If I do, will you agree that we should impeach him and treat his comments as Beck's are treated here? I need to know before I bother documenting them- otherwise it will do no good. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 26 Jul 10 - 06:31 PM Well, I'll give BB credit where credit is due... He is one of the few people who still defends his party as a party of honor and truth... Heck, I mean, after alll the lies that have come outtta the Repub camp, it takes one heck of a man to satnd there and say that they are all the truth... Reality is that most Repubs couldn't care less if the stuff comin' outta their camp is factual or mythology as along as it makes Dems look bad... Seems to be the 2010 election strategy... Just lie, lie and lie some more... Oh, and make 'um real loud 'cause if they are real loud with a the guys viens poppin' out on his forehead, al la Glen SCREAMER Beck, that lie will more than likely hit its target... This is why FOX should have it's license revoked... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,TIA Date: 26 Jul 10 - 06:32 PM You, of course, are now changing the subject. You asked for Glenn Beck lies, and you got them. You issued a specific challenge, and it was specifically (and successfully) met. Now you may begin a new conversation. And since you did start a new one, Obama is not a "news" "reporter", so your new conversation is already comparing apples and oranges - wherever it goes next... But, please document all you wish. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: beardedbruce Date: 26 Jul 10 - 06:42 PM Guest, TIA, If you do not realize that the "lies" listed are debatable points ( some have validity, some are mis-statements of what Beck said), then there is no point in having any discussion with you. I ask again: If I find more than 6 lies in what Obama has stated in 20910, will you treat him as Bush was treated, and demand HIS impeachment??? Your claim that Beck is all lies because of 6 documented ( and debatable ) ones gives me the standard of truth that YOU respect- So if Obama is less truthfull I expect you to admit he should be removed for all of our benefit. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: beardedbruce Date: 26 Jul 10 - 06:58 PM http://obamalies.net/ http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaLies.htm http://www.exposeobama.com/tag/obama-lies/ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 26 Jul 10 - 06:59 PM I think the difference is, as I have pointed out, that those on the right (other than bruce) no longer care if the crap comin' outta their side are lies or not... If the lie makes Obama or the dems look bad, just tell the sumabich... That is the Repub strategy... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 26 Jul 10 - 08:40 PM Bobert, If Fox lies, its only a matter of time that someones opinion changes, when its found out. If a President lies, it affects our life, and often when its found out, its too late to do anything about it, and damage, even major damage is done! That's the difference......but then, the people didn't elect Obama, the media did! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,TIA Date: 26 Jul 10 - 10:34 PM BB- You challenged. I met the challenge. Now you are ducking and weaving. As any decent lawyer knows, do not ask the question in court unless you are certain of the answer. You are a shitty lawyer. You are undoubtedly marvelous at other things, but this is a clear BB fail. And yes, I am grinning. Have we learned anything? And BTW, I dare you to not have discussion with me... You can't help yourself. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Amos Date: 26 Jul 10 - 11:01 PM Obama got himself elected by a huge popular vote, Guest Insanity. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 26 Jul 10 - 11:19 PM Amos Lightfoot: 'Obama got himself elected by a huge popular vote, Guest Insanity" With unbelievable press bias! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: beardedbruce Date: 27 Jul 10 - 11:47 AM I never claimed to be a lawyer- I have too much respect for the truth. And I gave a list of Obama's lies- so I will expect the demenads for impeachment from those with any residual honor left. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 27 Jul 10 - 12:21 PM Okay... I demand that bb be impeached!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: beardedbruce Date: 27 Jul 10 - 12:30 PM Only if you have a list of lies that I made... Like more Palestinian refugess in 1948 than the entire population of Palestine, or more killed than the number of bodies in Iraq, or... |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: mousethief Date: 27 Jul 10 - 02:18 PM Are all mistakes lies? |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: beardedbruce Date: 27 Jul 10 - 02:37 PM You have to decide if you agree with them- then they are mistakes. If you DON'T, they are damned lies. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 27 Jul 10 - 03:29 PM Like Bush's 17 words during the State of the Union speech, bruce, after the CIA had warned him repeatedly that they did not have evidence that Iraq had reconstituted a nuclear weapons program??? I mean, was that a "damned lie" or what??? I mean, even after Cheney had been to the CIA over and over trying to get the intellegence folks to go along with the mad-dash stuff... I mean, after George Tennent had personally told Bush before the Oct. 11th speech in Cincinatti that they didn't have evidence... I mean, exactly what was that, bruce, ol' buddy??? I mean, Bush lied because he was Hell bent on invading Iraq and wasn't too interested in the truth about much of anything other than he wanted the war and, by golly, he was gonna have his war... Lie or damned lie... (But, Bobert... According to bb if you agreed with the lie then it was merely a "mistake" when Bush used those 17 words (11 words, whatever...) See, Bobert, you are much worse than Bush... You can't remember if it was 17 words or 11 words... It might have been 14 words... That makes you a liar!!!) No, seein' as I have forgotten if it was 17, 11 or anywhere in bewteen I see it as a mistake... Bush couldn't possibly have used forgetfullness during the speech seein' as so many people were involved in writing it so... ...I'm gonna keep this one in the "damned lie" category... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: beardedbruce Date: 27 Jul 10 - 03:38 PM Bobert, The words I recall from Bush ( NOT the words that the NYT says he said, but the ones IN THE TRANSCRIPT) had the word "IF" in them, making the statement a conditional and thus could not be a lie. Sorry, try again. At least you can take comfort in the fact that Obama does not use conditionals- so it should be a lot easier to admit he should be impeached. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,mg Date: 27 Jul 10 - 05:07 PM What I don't get is why a secretary of anything would rush to get rid of a federal employee, and did not use extra caution in the case of a long-term minority employee. I don't understand why he didn't say privately we seem to have a problem here and ask for a collection of facts, review the speech himself or by a trusted deputy and if found to be problematic, ask for a review. It does not make sense..and her story of her father is truly tragic...and we need as many minorities in USDA as we can get and as many working in agriculture who really want to be doing that sort of work (as opposed to no other opportunities..and we need to redress some wrongs to African American farmers and probably others that she has pointed out. mg |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: mousethief Date: 27 Jul 10 - 07:02 PM Um, no. If I agree with them they're not mistakes at all. You are the weakest link. Goodbye. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Joe Offer Date: 27 Jul 10 - 07:56 PM What hasn't been made clear, is whether Shirley Sherrod had a political (exempt) appointment, or if hers was a regular Civil Service appointment. If it was a Civil Service job, it would have been almost impossible to fire or even demote Sherrod for the reasons stated. If it was an exempt appointment, Sherrod would have been serving at the pleasure of the Obama Administration, and could have been fired for any reason or no reason. I gather that Sherrod had a long history of employment with the Department of Agriculture. I'm guessing that she may have had an exempt appointment to a political position, and would have had rights to retreat to her previous job. -Joe Offer, retired investigator, U.S. Office of Personnel Management- |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 27 Jul 10 - 08:42 PM mg, It's because between Fox and the Tea Party that if ya' don't repond very quickly the rest of the media jumps on it for fear of being labeled (by Fox) "liberal" (horrors) so what we have right now is an entire nation being held hostage by Fox un-news... I mean, all ya' have to do is look at the extremes that Fox has gone to to disrupt the current administartion an' it's really quite amazing that the extreme right which makes up about 20% of the population has joined forces with the super corporations (no, make that vice versa) and the two are running the agenda, or at least coming as close as they can... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: kendall Date: 27 Jul 10 - 09:42 PM "If the president does it; it's not illegal" (Richard M. Nixon) |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 27 Jul 10 - 10:01 PM Look, a lie is a lie, no matter who tells it! The right catches the left, and they slam them...the left catches the right and they slam them.......still a lie is a lie. Both sides are doing it, and NOBODY can justify it. Right if right if nobody is right, wrong is wrong even if everybody is wrong! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Amos Date: 27 Jul 10 - 11:49 PM As I recall they asked her to resign and she complied. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Joe Offer Date: 28 Jul 10 - 12:09 AM ...but I've sometimes seen political appointees resign from their political position, and retreat to their former civil service job - sometimes without a cut in pay. Since Sherrod resigned without a fight, I was wondering if that was the case for her. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 28 Jul 10 - 08:37 AM Lotta of us ain't buying that "both sides" right winged talkin' point, GfS... That is exactly what the right want evryone to parrot because if they can get folks to think like that then they will never be held accountable or made to act respectfully or responsibly... The left isn't playing these games at all... Sometimes I wish they would,,, Or could... But face it, the right has all the resources... The left??? Just better ideas but no BIGASS corporate money compared to the right... It's like going to war with a bb gun... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 28 Jul 10 - 11:39 AM Bobert: "The left isn't playing these games at all... Sometimes I wish they would,,,..." Bobert, oh my dear Bobert, you are being just a little naive, don't you think? ....and Charlie Rangle is up for 'meritus honesty?' Promised Transparency is what motivated this . You actually think the left doesn't lie??????????????????????????/ Go mow your yard....and pick up the trash, yourself! but I still love ya'! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Sawzaw Date: 28 Jul 10 - 03:03 PM Bobert's nasty, mean spirited, bigoted rant against Fox has no resemblance to reality. [But Sawz, what's new about that?] Why? all of the frenzy and firing went on before Fox aired anything. And how did fox alter a video that was already on the net? Bobert's favorite left wing pinko rag does not even mention Fox News's involvement. He watches Maddow, Olberman, Mr Ed and Matthews and repeats whatever they say. It's easier than studying all the facts and making an independent decision. Also being able to separate facts from propaganda helps. He will also try to blame it on the Tea Party and any other straw man logical fallacy he can dream up. Washington Post Sunday, July 25, 2010 Remember that old adage that the secretary of agriculture should be seen but not heard? (You know that one, right? Tom Vilsack broke that rule this week with his dismissal of, doubling down on dismissal of, apology to and attempted rehiring of (it reads like the 12 stages of grief) a midlevel Department of Agriculture employee named Shirley Sherrod. The story -- in short -- goes like this. On Monday, conservative commentator Andrew Breitbart posted on his Web site a video featuring Sherrod, the department's director of rural development in Georgia, making comments about her reluctance to aid a white farmer because of his race. Sherrod, who is black, was quickly asked to step aside by Vilsack, who said the episode complicated his attempts to "turn the page on the sordid civil rights record at USDA." But facts are pesky things. As the story evolved, it became clear that Sherrod's comments were taken badly out of context -- she was using the tale of her initial hesitation to help the farmer decades ago, long before she joined the USDA, to make a broader point about race and class -- and that Vilsack (and just about everyone else in Washington) had condemned Sherrod wrongly. By midweek, the White House was in full mea culpa mode, with press secretary Robert Gibbs (last week's Worst Week winner) telling reporters that "a disservice was done, an apology was owed." Adding to the surreal nature of the saga: Sherrod was watching Gibbs's news conference live on CNN. Following Gibbs's lead, Vilsack put himself up for a public flogging, acknowledging that he "could have and should have done a better job" and expressing "profound regret" to Sherrod, to whom he offered a new position with the USDA. (Sherrod has yet to say whether she will accept the gig, despite chatting with President Obama about it on Thursday.) And, just when Vilsack had humbled himself as much as anyone thought he could, Obama decided to humble him some more. In an interview with ABC, Obama said Vilsack had "jumped the gun" in the Sherrod incident. "We have to take our time and think these issues through," the president admonished. Ouch. Tom Vilsack, for trying to put out a fire that wasn't even lit, you got burned. And you had the Worst Week in Washington. Congrats, or something. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 28 Jul 10 - 03:32 PM Sawzaw: "....Tom Vilsack, for trying to put out a fire that wasn't even lit, you got burned. And you had the Worst Week in Washington. Congrats, or something." Perhaps, Tom Vilsack should resign...along with the clown who appointed him!!!! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: mousethief Date: 28 Jul 10 - 04:28 PM Actually Beck acted comparatively decently in this case. Maybe he's turning over a new leaf? I'm not holding my breath or anything. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Greg F. Date: 28 Jul 10 - 07:17 PM Actually Beck acted comparatively decently in this case He didn't mean to- heck, everyone's entitled to screw up now and again. Don't worry, he'll be back to his old self soon. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Joe Offer Date: 28 Jul 10 - 07:41 PM nasty, mean spirited, bigoted rant against Fox Geesum H. Cripes. (that's what My Boss the Nun says, and she thinks she's being very daring...) Pretty soon, I'm going to start getting complaints, demanding that I remove personal attacks against Fox. Sorry, but I can't work up much sympathy for Fox. I think they're evil. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Ebbie Date: 28 Jul 10 - 09:09 PM Joe, you da man. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 29 Jul 10 - 01:28 AM Joe Offer: "that's what My Boss the Nun says, and she thinks she's being very daring...) Pretty soon, I'm going to start getting complaints, demanding that I remove personal attacks against Fox." You mean a nun wouldn't want to attack Fox, herself??? a nun?? attack Fox????? ...Why?? What were you thinking???? Oh...well ..maybe....... GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Amos Date: 29 Jul 10 - 02:58 PM "(CNN) -- Former Agriculture Department employee Shirley Sherrod said Thursday she will pursue a lawsuit against conservative blogger Andrew Breitbart. Breitbart posted an edited video clip of Sherrod appearing to say she discriminated against a white farmer looking for assistance. The clip showed her addressing a chapter of the NAACP. "I will definitely do it," she said when asked whether she was considering legal action. Sherrod made her remarks during an appearance at the National Association of Black Journalists convention in San Diego, California. Breitbart "had to know that he was targeting me," Sherrod said. "At this point, he hasn't apologized. I don't want it at this point, and he'll definitely hear from me." Video: Will black farmers get their due? Video: Coulter defends Breitbart Video: Sherrod reunites with white family RELATED TOPICS Shirley Sherrod Andrew Breitbart U.S. Department of Agriculture Breitbart did not immediately respond to a request for comment. He has said he released the Sherrod video because he believes it shows the NAACP itself tolerates racist behavior within its ranks -- an accusation that came after the civil rights group made a similar charge against the conservative Tea Party movement. "This was not about Shirley Sherrod," Breitbart told CNN's John King. Brent Bozell, head of the conservative Media Research Center, said Thursday Sherrod was the one who needed to apologize. "Andrew Breitbart is going to be fine. He's done nothing wrong," Bozell said. "I wonder if Ms. Sherrod, who is such a champion of transparency, will publicly disclose who is putting her up to this. And I also hope this champion of honesty will stop lying about Fox News," which has been accused of pushing the story before full details emerged, he said. "I'm also waiting for Ms. Sherrod to publicly apologize for accusing anyone opposed to nationalized healthcare of being racist," Bozell said. "Last time I checked, that was more than half the country." The controversy surrounding the clip led to a rush to judgment and Sherrod's forced resignation. However, it was later determined that her speech, unedited, focused on how the incident changed her outlook and made her realize people should move beyond race. The incident occurred 24 years ago, before Sherrod began working for the USDA. She received an official apology from the USDA and a phone call from President Barack Obama once the full text of her remarks came to light. Sherrod has since been offered another position at the Agriculture Department. Obama said earlier Thursday that Sherrod "deserves better than what happened last week." Speaking at a National Urban League conference in Washington, Obama called the claim of racism against her "bogus." "Many are to blame" for the reaction that followed, he said, "including my own administration."..." Manfully said and owned up to; the kind of acknowledgement his predecessor was incapable of. I hope Breibart hemhorrages at law. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 29 Jul 10 - 07:47 PM Tell ya what, Saw... You keep on referrin' to me as a "bigot" and I'll hunt yer lieing ass down and put a whup on... I've warned you before and I'm just not going to allow you to refer me to a bigot... Do you understand??? If not then you will... Serious business here... I will not be called a bigot by you or anyone... You can call me a commie... A socialist... A tree hugger... But not a bigot!!! Get it??? I'll put my life's work up agsint yours in fighting racism, sexisma and all the other "isms"... You wnat to get transparent here and talk about what gives you a right to call me a bigot then let's get it on... Until then??? Take that word bigot and stuff it up yer cyber stalking posterior!!! Got it yet... We're not going to have this talk again... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 29 Jul 10 - 08:03 PM Sorry, GfS... First things first but... ... I ain't alkin' about one misfit here or there in one side or the other even if it seems the right has certainly provided alot of misfits over the last couple years but... ...that ain't the point... The point is that the left flat out doesn't thave the corporate backing that the right does and for good reason... The left sees the corporatist as cheaters, liars and thieves... That's just the reality here because they are just that so when we try to get meaningfull heath care reform we're going up limitless resources... Ya' know how the Tea Party came about, don't you... Google up "Dick Armies lobbiest" and it's all there... Freedom Now is bpought and paid for with corporate money... I mean, the BIGASS bucks... Throw in the coprorate lap dog, FOX, and the left won't ever be competetive in the PR game... I mean, like not even in the same league... And unfortunately, PR is the entire game these days... I mean, the left can frame an ssue brilently and the right can spend BIG bucks, concoct a bunch of lies and American loses... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 29 Jul 10 - 11:56 PM Bobert: "...that ain't the point... The point is that the left flat out doesn't thave the corporate backing that the right does and for good reason... The left sees the corporatist as cheaters, liars and thieves..." Here's how I see it, and this is the way it is, as far as 'right' and 'left'................ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMAIsqvTh7g So Sincerely! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 29 Jul 10 - 11:57 PM Bobert: "...that ain't the point... The point is that the left flat out doesn't thave the corporate backing that the right does and for good reason... The left sees the corporatist as cheaters, liars and thieves..." Here's how I see it, and this is the way it is, as far as 'right' and 'left'................ The reality of it !!!! So Sincerely! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 30 Jul 10 - 08:34 AM Always liked that song, GfS... BTW, didja see me resonator thread up top in highbrowburg??? B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 30 Jul 10 - 11:43 AM HUH?...."BTW, didja see me resonator thread up top in highbrowburg???" I didn't understand that. GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 30 Jul 10 - 12:02 PM Well seems that some folks below the line ain't like, ahhhhh, musicans, GfS... So I was just wonderin' if you, being a fellow musican, had seen my thread about gettin' my resonator tweeked... Ain't no hidden meanin'... I mean, if ya' read the thread backwards it don't read "Kill Righties" 'er nuthin'... *grin*... B;~) |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Sawzaw Date: 31 Jul 10 - 09:05 AM Dear Bobert: Please give us the definition of a bigot. Maybe I have the wrong idea of what constitutes bigotry. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 31 Jul 10 - 10:46 AM A bigot is someone who hates and /or is prejudicial toward other groups of people based on their race, ethnicity, gender or sexual preference... That takes care of all the "isms"... Bias is not the same as bigotry... That is bigotry in a nut shell and the is among the three words that find most offensive... The other two are "nigger" and "God D***" though all can be used in the proper context, thoough it is very tricky... I mean, when I was a jail house teacher in Richmond City jail I was abouty the only white face in the tier where I held class and my students, all black, would refer to each other as "nigga" like folks call each other "man" as in "hey, man, what's happening"... Well, I had been teaching just long enough for those guys to get to know me real well and feel cofortable with me and then I became "nigga", as well, to them... That is what is meant by context... This website has certain boundaries and there are certain things that just cross that boundary when it become "personalized"... Lots of stuff doesn't that perhaps should... Callin' other specific members liars is rather over the line, as well... It doesn't mean that those terms are out of bounds entirely, like the black students callin' me "nigga" but things should be done within the confines of the boundaries that most folks here fully understand... I mean, I could give you a list of a hundred offendsive sounding labels and terms that you or anyone could put on me... I mean, anything that Spawzer has ever written I could live with... Commie, treehugger, socialist, asshole, buttface, etc. are all okay in my book... "Bigot" is not and alot of it has to do with my own struggles in my life to pull myself outta the culture I grew up in where terms andf labels were routinely put on groups of people based on the baove list... Part of it is that my parents brought a black kid into our family when I was a teenager who was like my brother... Part of it is being arrested twice in civil rights marches... Part of it going to DC to work in the Poor People's Campaine (Tent City), or working with drug addicts in the inner city of Richmond, ot living in a rural; area that was predominently black and those folks were my firneds and neighbors, part of it was having a couple very strong women jack my conscousness up on sexism, or having one of my best friends die of AIDS, or spending so much time in Mississippi learning blues licks off ol' black blues players... So, I have not only talked the talk but walked the walk when it comes to wipin' out the "isms" that everyone of my generation was subjected to... Reckon that's why "bigot" is not only persoanlly insulting to me but downright incorrect... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Ebbie Date: 31 Jul 10 - 11:48 AM Bob, I am proud to know you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Sawzaw Date: 31 Jul 10 - 12:18 PM "Throw in the coprorate lap dog, FOX" Hmmm. Could MSNBC, the "news" organization, the main attack dog against Fox, be the corporate lapdog of the administration? 82% of MSNBC is owned by General Electric Corporation. What does GE do? "General Electric is one of the world's most diverse companies, dabbling in virtually every industry under the sun. Among other things, it manufactures aircraft engines, locomotives, household appliances, light bulbs and plastics. It builds and operates nuclear reactors, while its consumer finance arm ranks as one of the biggest financial services companies in the nation. GE is also the parent company of the NBC television network. With so many subsidiaries offering so many different products and services, it's no surprise that GE keeps close watch over everything Congress does, from defense appropriations to campaign finance legislation and its effects on broadcasters." Defense, Finance, Energy, Broadcasting, Healthcare Who does GE support with their campaign contributions? "the left flat out doesn't thave the corporate backing that the right does" 2010 Democrats $1,097,423 63% - Republicans $651,413 37% 2008 Democrats $2,241,527 66% - Republicans $1,167,584 34% Top Recipients from GE: 2008 Obama, Barack $508,030 Clinton, Hillary $166,121 McCain, John $98,072 Dodd, Chris $63,200 2010 Portman, Rob $54,760 Dodd, Chris $45,100 Himes, Jim $36,550 Neal, Richard E $34,500 On August 4, 2009 the SEC fined General Electric $50 million for breaking accounting rules in two separate cases, misleading investors into believing GE would meet or beat earnings expectations. "The left sees the corporatist as cheaters, liars and thieves" But CEO Jeffry Immelt has been on the President's Economic Recovery Advisory Board sinfce it was created February 6, 2009 One of the highest spenders on lobbying last quarter was General Electric. Along with its subsidiaries, General Electric spent more than $9.5 million on federal lobbying between April and June -- the most it has incurred in lobbying expenses while Obama has been in office. Since January, General Electric and its subsidiaries has spent more than $17.6 million on lobbying -- an increase of 50 percent more than what it spent during the first six months of 2009. Lobbying expenses: 2008 $18,660,000 2009 $25,520,000 2010 $17,824,000 so far Remember Mr Obama's promise? "I know these steps won't sit well with the special interests and lobbyists who are invested in the old way of doing business, and I know they're gearing up for a fight as we speak. My message to them is this: So am I. The system we have now might work for the powerful and well-connected interests that have run Washington for far too long, but I don't. I work for the American people. I didn't come here to do the same thing we've been doing or to take small steps forward, I came to provide the sweeping change that this country demanded when it went to the polls in November." The lobbyists have more control and are spending more than ever. That's the change. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Sawzaw Date: 31 Jul 10 - 12:35 PM A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices. The correct use of the term requires the elements of irrationality, intolerance, and animosity toward those of differing beliefs. It is not limited to race, ethnicity and gender. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Amos Date: 31 Jul 10 - 01:33 PM Sawz: Your post draws a distorted and unjustifiable conclusion. Obama did more in his first quarter in office than any Republilcan Administration has ever done to reduce the access of lobbyists to the Administration of the executive branch. Why do you so doggedly leave so much of the story out when you write this crap? A |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 31 Jul 10 - 01:34 PM Well, then I guess using your defination, Saws, then everyone is a bigot in some manner... I mean, folks who thought that it was wrong for Hitler to exterminate the Jews in WW II would be, in your defination, bigots because they refused to accept Hitlers opinion that killing Jews was okay??? Is that correct... Were the allies all bigits for not agreeing with Hitler??? A simple yes of no will do just fine... Ebbie, You know I'm proud to know you, too... And I know also that you know alot about intolerance from yer upbringing... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Sawzaw Date: 31 Jul 10 - 02:25 PM "Obama did more in his first quarter in office than any Republilcan Administration has ever done to reduce the access of lobbyists to the Administration of the executive branch." How so? Obama said he was going to eliminate it. Did he eliminate it? No, it has increased. What did the Republican Administrations promise in regards to reducing lobbying? Why did you leave that part out? If they promised something and did not deliver then your argument would be comparable to the unkept Obama promise. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Sawzaw Date: 31 Jul 10 - 02:33 PM Another irrational and illogical analogy by Bobert: "bigots because they refused to accept Hitlers opinion that killing Jews was okay???" Being against Hitlers bigoted attempt to kill Jews was not bigotry. It was anti-bigotry, against bigotry. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 31 Jul 10 - 02:39 PM Bobert: "A bigot is someone who hates and /or is prejudicial toward other groups of people based on their race, ethnicity, gender or sexual preference... That takes care of all the "isms"..." I guess that doesn't apply to very many on here...when it comes to 'Conservat-ISM' So I guess the bigotry cuts both ways....but only due to the propaganda machines, that some so unknowingly subscribe too...unawares, I'm sure... Sawzaw, I agree with your post, though I don't have any supporting or non-supporting EXACT figures....but it should be noted, that BOTH sides are on the dole...more than the concerns of representing their electorate. But politicians money can buy! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 31 Jul 10 - 04:32 PM Bottom line, Saws, my argument isn't at all illogical... You said that a bigot is some one who is intolerant of others ideas... No meantion was made in your definaition as to ehether or not those ideas were moral... You stopped right there... I think your definition is illogical beacuse it makes eveyone and anyone a bogot on some level and waters down the harshness ot the word... So to Hitler we were th bigots and to the rest of the word he was... I mean, if you were to take the argumkents that you have put forth here and the ones that I have to 10 debate teachers I'd bet that at least 9 of them would say that you have put forth the least convincin' argument that becasue I disagree with you that I am somehow a bigot... But lets just put the academics aside fir a minute... Seein' as you now have at least my functional definition of a "bigot" it would behove you to take that litttle ballgamne outta yer repetoire when arguing/debating with me or anyone else here... To many of us who have lived round and seen what real bigotry is it is a repulsive, anti-social term that only a cheater trying to score points would use... And, guess what??? I'd be willing to bet that 90% of them people here don't like you using that term as well in tregards to people with whom who don't agree... So, back to my original statement: Don't use that crap on me here ever again... Period!!! Yo, GfS... You can put yer Nadar/2000 handbook away... That dog doesn't hunt these days... Except for closet Repubs who are trying to convince people that they are actually, ahhhh, independents... Lotta ya'll out there, BTW... Actually I gotta laugh when I read these moronish letters to the editor written by people who say they are Dems and then go on to sing the Repub company fight song at the top of their lungs... Yeah, lotta them, too, out there... Hahahaha... Oh ya'll really fooled us... Yeah, right??? Wouldn't fool me if I'd been dead for a week... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: mousethief Date: 31 Jul 10 - 05:45 PM Posting how much GE gives to which party doesn't disprove Bobert's claim that the Dems receive less largesse from Big Biz than the Reps. It just shows they receive more from GE. There are other companies besides GE. And don't find some other company that gives more to the Dems than the Reps -- that too doesn't prove anything. What we need are numbers of ALL contributions of ALL business to the two parties. Until we see that, showing us that GE gives more to Dems than to Reps is meaningless. And not a little stupid, or if not, treats us as if we were stupid. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Sawzaw Date: 01 Aug 10 - 03:30 PM Bobert the troll: "Fox edited the speech" Bullshit. Someone is out of touch with reality and they are bigoted in regards to Fox News. #1 How did Fox alter something that was already on the internet? They can't and didn't #2 All of the frenzy and firing or quitting or whatever occured before Fox aired anything. #3. Glen Beck, whom I don't care for, actually I can't stand: On PBS:Sherrod went from being the villain of the piece to a figure drawing great empathy from millions, not the least of which was conservative talk show host Glen Beck. PBS Bobert, got that? PBS #4 Sheppard Smith declined to run anything because: We here at Studio B did not run the video and did not reference the story in any way for many reasons, among them: we didn't know who shot it, we didn't know when it was shot, we didn't know the context of the statement, and because of the history of the videos on the site where it was posted, in short we do not and did not trust the source. 5# Even Fox News Host Bill O'Reilly apologized when it became apparent that the video he aired on his show (after she was fired, not before) was incomplete and that Sherrod was telling a story of personal growth, not bigotry. However these facts will not deter the out of touch person from trying make other people believe his private version of reality and making personal attacks on anyone that disagrees. Also the out of touch person will not respond directly to any questions. He runs like pigs from a gun. But he gets all hot and bothered when someone does not answer his questions: "She absolutely refuses to answer straight up questions... She runs like "pigs from a gun" and then plays her little games bynot answering the questions" |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Amos Date: 01 Aug 10 - 03:54 PM Sawz: I think you would be wiser to direct your antsy antagonism toward Briebart, the asshole who created the false story. What do you think? Full-bore intentional manufacture of false realities in order to create political wedges is probably not very ethical, don't you agree? A |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 01 Aug 10 - 04:57 PM He doesn't care, Amos... Ya' see, Saws is a Repub opeartive who get paid to twist, distort and fabricate... That's in with the Repubs these days 'cause they really don't know what else to do... I mean, they don't have any real plans for the country so this is what we are gettin' from them... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 01 Aug 10 - 05:47 PM Bobert: 'He doesn't care, Amos... Ya' see, Saws is a Repub opeartive who get paid to twist, distort and fabricate... That's in with the Repubs these days 'cause they really don't know what else to do... I mean, they don't have any real plans for the country so this is what we are gettin' from them...' Bobert,..(Clears throat)...ummm isn't that what you just described as your definition of 'Bigotry'??? Here, let me refresh you memory..."Bobert: "A bigot is someone who hates and /or is prejudicial toward other groups of people based on their race, ethnicity, gender or sexual preference... That takes care of all the "isms"..." I think you're putting your 'political stance' ahead of your compassion for your fellow man. That, in itself, is self defeating, and can be a dangerous mindset to be sucked into!! Just think about it...I'm on your side, as a fellow human, and a musician! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Sawzaw Date: 01 Aug 10 - 07:34 PM Bobert: "You said that a bigot is some one who is intolerant of others ideas..." Being intolerant of bigotry is not bigotry. "Saws is a Repub opeartive who get paid to twist, distort and fabricate" See Bobert fact # 987854 Anybody that disagrees with Bobert is a Bepublican. "twist, distort and fabricate... 'cause they really don't know what else to do" Bobert has not backed up any of his twisting of the facts, distortions and fabrications made in this thread. For example, he has not produced any thing to support his false claim that "Fox edited the speech"> his only answer is to make personal attacks to avoid answering the question. That's all he knows how to do. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Sawzaw Date: 01 Aug 10 - 07:39 PM "I think you would be wiser to direct your antsy antagonism toward Briebart" Why not tell that to Bobert, He is the one making the hateful accusations. I am merely pointing out how he is wrong. Why does that make me hateful? |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 01 Aug 10 - 07:59 PM Sorry, but you are both way off the mark... I mean, if we get to the point where we can't disagree on political matters without this very insulting word being thrown out as if it mean nuthin', then we have stepped down the ladder of being civilized more than a few rungs... Ya'll can plasy yer words games as much as you like if gives you the warm & fuzzies... Fir those of us who put so much into the civil rights movement, ya'lls games would make anyone like me, who were on the front lines, puke... Might as well just call black people "niggers"... Same difference... And shame on you GfS... I understand Saws 'cause it's all about the election strategy to get Repubs elected by turnin' racism onto Democrats and anyone else that might have been part of the ***real*** civil rights movement but ***you***??? You have cheapened the word to where it means nothing... Shame, shame, shame... You know better than this... B~ B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Genie Date: 02 Aug 10 - 06:03 PM Sawz, the multinational corporations and right-wing billionaires back Republicans (and "corporatist" Democrats) far more than they do liberals or the Democratic Party, maybe not so much by way of direct campaign contributions (they do want to be on good terms with whichever legislators get elected, after all) but by way of funding radio & TV shows like Limbaugh, Hannity, & other right-wing talk (even when & where such shows lose money), by funding "conservative" think tanks, and by way of ownership of radio & TV stations & newspapers and censoring what they allow their "news" shows to disclose or investigate. There is really no secret that most large corporations prefer the Republicans to be in power and prefer the "blue-dog Democrats" to progressives or those who support organized labor or the average citizen. Democrats, at least the centrist and liberal ones, are less likely to skew legislation in favor of individuals or labor; Republicans and other corporatists tend to favor huge tax cuts for big business & the rich, lax or nonexistent regulation of industry for any reason, etc. And they make that clear by way of how they spend their money to influence politics. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Genie Date: 02 Aug 10 - 06:10 PM @ Bobert [[Actually I gotta laugh when I read these moronish letters to the editor written by people who say they are Dems and then go on to sing the Repub company fight song at the top of their lungs... Yeah, lotta them, too, out there.]] Yep. And that's yet another way the wealthy backers of the Republicans spend their $$ to support that party and its ideology: they pay people to a) post things like that on various websites, b) call radio talk shows and spout that sort of thing (e.g, "I'm a Democrat and I agree with you, Thom Hartman, 95% of the time, BUT ... (insert right-wing talking point, ofteb followed by some reason not to vote for the Democrats this fall) and/or c) constantly edit Wikipedia pages to skew the content towards the right wing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Genie Date: 02 Aug 10 - 06:22 PM Mary G, Vilsack should have used more caution and, yes, should have consulted with Sherrod privately before taking any other action. That's just common decency as well as showing respect for the truth instead of fear in the face of slung mud. Joe O, even if Sherrod's job was "exempt" and she held it "at the pleasure of the President," that doesn't make Vilsack's knee-jerk reaction wise or fair. I think Vilsack ended up hurting both Sherrod and the administration by acting like a scared dog and by making the administration look cowardly and disloyal, afraid to stand their ground and stick to principle in the face of attacks by the right-wing media. Bobert, you're right that Fox & the Tea Party will glom onto anything 'scandalous' they think they can pin on a Democrat. They can and will get such stories (often lies) spread around the world before the truth can get its proverbial pants on. But that doesn't mean the Obama administration helps their own cause by kowtowing to that. Sawz, Vilsack may have sacked Sherrod before Fox News showed the altered clip on TV, but not before they had been running it on their website with many, many people viewing it. Contrary to what Brent Bozell said, Andrew Breitbart DID do something wrong. Very wrong. If he didn't deliberately set out to distort & deceive, at the very least, he acted with reckless irresponsibility in a way that was harmful to another person. And given the shenanigans he pulled with the set-up & the doctored ACORN videos, it's pretty likely it was deliberate. Sherrod owes Fox News no apology, because they (except for Shepard Smith) DID run the edited and misleading video over and over, complete with denouncing of Sherrod, well before they had investigated the context of the excerpt (including when it was made, by whom, and what her overall message was). |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 02 Aug 10 - 07:43 PM Bobert, I was merely pointing out that the measure you gauge 'bigotry' is the same one you demonstrated towards others, of a different political persuasion. I figured you'd want to have that pointed out by a friend, rather than hidden by a 'Yes person' with no brains! Shame on me?????????????? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 02 Aug 10 - 08:42 PM Yeah, GfS... Shame on you... Can't you see the way the right wing is co-opting the word "bigot" becasue it will and can justifyable be use on them??? So they are trying, with you and Saws help I might add, to make bigot this everyday word that can jusr be used any ol' time anyone disagress with another person... This is all part of a paid-for political stategey... Hust like the right wing co-opted the word "liberal"... Hey, they may pull if off so that they (the real bigots) will have cover in calling liberals, civil rights people, progressives, Democrats "bigots"!!! Well, as long as I have breath in my body I will not allow anyone to call be a bigot because I don't happen to agree with racist, sexist, homophobic bullshit being slung by a bunch of racist, sexist, homophobic redneck Republicans who just want to get in power so they can continue with their racist, sexist, homophobic redneck policies... Hey, the right wing is calling Obama a "bigot"??? If you can't see that you have fallen into the 2010-2012, 20 forever Republican coopie doll in the back window of garndpa's '78 Olsmobile than Helen Keller has 20/20 eyesight compared to yours... I loves ya, GfS, but you been sucked into the Republican turbine and yer now spitting out their talking points... "Bigot" has a special place in out history... Like Goerge Wallace and Lester Maddox and Jim Crow... For those of us who stood up to those rednecks in the name of humanity and what is right we ain't gonna let ya'll have thios word like a weapon to use against us... It just that simple... I will fight you or anyone here who tries to co-opt it to use against people who are tolerant and who have fought the battles... If Martin Luther King were here at Mudact he'd be just as forcefull... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 02 Aug 10 - 09:29 PM Bobert: "Can't you see the way the right wing is co-opting the word "bigot" becasue it will and can justifyable be use on them???" GfS: The word bigot has been used by the far left so often it's just about worn out its meaning! So they are trying, with you and Saws help I might add, to make bigot this everyday word that can jusr be used any ol' time anyone disagress with another person... This is all part of a paid-for political stategey... Hust like the right wing co-opted the word "liberal"... GfS: First of all, I'm not a Republican. Second of all, when I've (and very rarely) used the word 'bigot', it was to point out that the person using the word, that they were misusing it..because, rather than use intelligent debate, those who use it frequently, think they can do so(call some one a bigot), and reduce themselves into name calling, than debate issues, based on FACTS! Bobert: "Hey, they may pull if off so that they (the real bigots) will have cover in calling liberals, civil rights people, progressives, Democrats "bigots"!!!" GfS: Niot sure what you are driving at, in the last sentence, but many radical lefties hide behind using the term 'civil rights' as a way of expressing their 'sense of entitlement' paid for, of course, by other people's hard earned money!...and confiscated by your friend and mine, the ever expanding government! Bobert: "Well, as long as I have breath in my body I will not allow anyone to call be a bigot because I don't happen to agree with racist, sexist, homophobic bullshit being slung by a bunch of racist, sexist, homophobic redneck Republicans who just want to get in power so they can continue with their racist, sexist, homophobic redneck policies..." GfS: you must be referring to someone else, and I'm not sure who...but it isn't me. I never called you anything of the sort, based on your list! Bobert: "Hey, the right wing is calling Obama a "bigot"???" GfS: ..and the left wing has never called Sarah Palin, the same???? Its all bullshit! It's cheap street theater for the half witted! Bobert: If you can't see that you have fallen into the 2010-2012, 20 forever Republican coopie doll in the back window of garndpa's '78 Olsmobile than Helen Keller has 20/20 eyesight compared to yours... GfS:I haven't fallen for ANY of EITHER side's games! I think their BOTH full of crap, and fraudulently exploiting, what used to be, idealistic visions, of what WAS considered a correct path!! Bobert: "I loves ya, GfS, but you been sucked into the Republican turbine and yer now spitting out their talking points..." GfS: Hey, truth is truth, sometimes the Republicans spout it, and sometimes the Democrats spout it....the TRUTH to the problem, is neither side believe in it!...they just want YOU to think they do! "Bigot" has a special place in out history... Like Goerge Wallace and Lester Maddox and Jim Crow... For those of us who stood up to those rednecks in the name of humanity and what is right we ain't gonna let ya'll have thios word like a weapon to use against us... It just that simple... I will fight you or anyone here who tries to co-opt it to use against people who are tolerant and who have fought the battles.. GfS: You forgot Robert Byrd....but for political masquerading, he changed his tune! Bobert: "If Martin Luther King were here at Mudact he'd be just as forcefull..." GfS: He'd probably spell better, too!! B~ GfS....(winking at ya') |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 02 Aug 10 - 09:48 PM Oh, okay... Kick a man fir is danged spellin... That's it!!! I'm takin' my marbles and going home... B;~)... *grin* |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 02 Aug 10 - 10:14 PM Shit, I spelled one wrong, too!...sixth paragraph, but actually it was a typo! "GfS: Niot sure what you are driving at, in the last sentence,..." What's a Noit??... ...surprised Ebbers didn't catch it and call me a 'bigot' ...for being hateful to proper spellers! Well, I guess the rest of my post was alright with you then, huh? Shit, where is Little Hawk? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 02 Aug 10 - 10:21 PM OooHH...By the way........from wikipedia...... George Corley Wallace, Jr. (August 25, 1919 – September 13, 1998) was the 45th Governor of Alabama, serving four terms: 1963–1967, 1971–1979 and 1983–1987. "The most influential loser" in 20th-century U.S. politics, according to biographers Dan T. Carter[1] and Stephan Lesher,[2] he ran for U.S. president four times, running officially as a >>>>>>>>>> DEMOCRAT <<<<<<<<<< three times, and in the American Independent Party once...." Real progressive, eh? liberal?? You should refresh yourself with Phil Ochs' 'Love Me, Love Me Love Me, I'm a Liberal' Wishing you the best....maybe P-Vine will let you eat at the table, instead of over the sink, too! Winkin' back at ya', GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 03 Aug 10 - 01:30 AM Ohhh, and more 'by the way'..... Bobert: ""Bigot" has a special place in out history... Like Goerge Wallace and Lester Maddox and Jim Crow... For those of us who stood up to those rednecks in the name of humanity and what is right we ain't gonna let ya'll have thios word like a weapon to use against us... It just that simple... I will fight you or anyone here who tries to co-opt it to use against people who are tolerant and who have fought the battles.." GfS:..from wikipedia..... "Lester Garfield Maddox (September 30, 1915 – June 25, 2003) was an American >>>>>>>>>> DEMOCRATIC <<<<<<<<<< Party politician who was the 75th Governor of the U.S. state of Georgia from 1967 to 1971. Maddox came to prominence as a staunch segregationist and maintained, to his death, that he never had any regrets. However, Tom Murphy (former Georgia House Speaker) stated: "He had a reputation as a segregationist, but he told us he was not a segregationist, but that you should be able to associate with whoever you wanted."[1] Jim Crow:.....Jim Crow laws were a product of the solidly Democratic South. Conservative white Southern >>>>>>>>>> DEMOCRATS <<<<<<<<<<. , exploiting racial fear and attacking the corruption (real or perceived) of Reconstruction Republican governments, took over state governments in the South in the 1870s and dominated them for nearly 100 years, chiefly as a result of disenfranchisement of most blacks through statute and constitutions. In 1956, southern resistance to the Supreme Court's ruling in Brown v. Board of Education resulted in a resolution called the Southern Manifesto. It was read into the Congressional Record and supported by 96 southern congressmen and senators, all but two of them southern >>>>>>>> DEMOCRATS <<<<<<<<. Gosh!...How did that happen??????? Me thinks the propaganda machine has you guys all turned around!!! Still winkin', GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 03 Aug 10 - 08:04 AM Hey, GfS, I don't deny that all these folks were democrats... Ya' gotta remember that most of yer Southern elected folks back then were DEMOCRATS... The fact is that the Democratic Party was for a long time a purdy redneck party in the South until the Civil Righta Act and the subseguent "Southern Strategy" when the parties flip-flopped... Lyndon Johnson even predicted that the Civil Rights Act would kill the Democratic party off in the South for decades... He was right... So I will never ever defend those rednecks becasue they were DEMOCRATS... They were as wrongheaded as FOX and the TEA Party is today... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 03 Aug 10 - 08:37 AM BTW, I grew up here in Virginia which was home to the "Byrd Machine"... Harry Bird was as redneck as rednecks come... If he were around today he would be a rightwinged fringe loonie... He was also a DEMOCRAT... Actually, when I listen to alot of Southern Repubs speak they are saying the same stupid things that Harry Byrd would have said some 50 years ago... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 03 Aug 10 - 11:28 AM Bobert, speaking of CORRUPTION....and bullshit hiding behind causes that they want YOU to believe...... More from the 'Democratic' hiding behind 'minority' do gooding! Need I say more? Oh, how's the sink? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Gut from Sanity Date: 03 Aug 10 - 01:46 PM .....just sittin' here, drumming my fingers on the desk.......just can;t wait to see the bullshit RATIONALIZATIONS, and excuses for this one!!!!! I think I got to hand it to myself...RIGHT AGAIN!!!! Me |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 03 Aug 10 - 01:54 PM The 'gut' from Sanity was a computer glitch, on the preceding post..... For what it is worth...... With guts, GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 03 Aug 10 - 07:30 PM Man, that is some messed up stuff with Maxine, ain't it GfS??? Hey, lets get some things straight here: 1. I ain't no Dem apologist here... 2. The Repubs don't have the market captured in dumb shit... 3. People do dumb stuff and they gonna have to pay fir it... 4. Until I saw first handed just how messed up George and his Repubs could get the country I was perfectly willin' to go the distance with the Green Party... Sorry if you were expectin' me to defend Maxie but if she did the crime then she gonna have to do the time... I'm a firm believer that folks that mess up need to be held accountable... Fox needs to... Then Tea Party needs to and if Dems do stupid stuff they need to, also... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,TIA Date: 03 Aug 10 - 10:46 PM Have you noticed that those Dems in ethical trouble are being charged by a Dem-controlled committee? Draining the Swamp means just that... Dem or Repub. Did the Repubs ever charge their own when they ran the show. Now be honest (if you can)... |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,TIA Date: 03 Aug 10 - 10:50 PM And as a habitual viewer of Faux News, I have noticed that every story on these ethical charges ends with..."Rangell and Waters are both prominent members of the Black Caucus". Why do you suppose they feel it necessary to point that out every time? Do they ever end stories about white congress people by pointing out that they are white? What they are doing fits the Faux pattern perfectly... BE AFRAID OF THE BLACKS!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Genie Date: 03 Aug 10 - 10:53 PM Good points, TIA. Also, while there have been plenty of politicians in both parties accused of or even convicted of things like conflict of interest or other kinds of corruption or "inappropriate conduct," I don't recall the "mainstream media" ever being quite so quick to condemn Republicans in the past just on the basis of allegations (as with Waters) or to make such a point of the accused (or convicted) being Republicans, much less jumping so quickly to the prediction that their misbehavior would "mean trouble for the Republicans." Did the media make such a big fuss over John Ensign's political affiliation & what implications his misconduct might have for the Republicans, for instance? |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: mousethief Date: 03 Aug 10 - 10:57 PM 3. People do dumb stuff and they gonna have to pay fir it... Lots of people do dumb stuff and never have to pay for it. And then there are people who do dumb stuff and get off scot free, and WE have to pay for it (think: heads of major US banks, October 2008). |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 03 Aug 10 - 11:12 PM Nope!..You've got no argument from me! I'd just as soon they rid us of all the corrupt bastards!.....then the only honest person left, in Washington, might be the chef at the Blair house, Russell Cronkhite....but he left there, too. I think he was too honest...he couldn't take it any more....... Well, in that case, maybe a painter..... GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Genie Date: 03 Aug 10 - 11:13 PM When that Circuit Court Judge, with major holdings in oil companies, "overruled" Obama's moratorium on new deep-water well drilling in the Gulf, did the media cry "Foul!" over that obvious conflict of interest? Or how about certain Secretaries Of State (e.g., Katherine Harris and Ken Blackwell) who were active in the political campaigns of candidates while overseeing the election rules (e.g., voter roll purges, distribution of voting machines) and the vote counting? Or how about the many members of Congress who hold major stock in the companies that are directly affected by their legislation? Methinks there be a bit of selective attention and even selective prosecution afoot. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 04 Aug 10 - 01:24 AM Ah Genie, You might be nipping at the tip of an iceberg....Now the question is,, What is the cause of being selected?.....Morality? Integrity? Expend-ability? Blackmail? Being replaced with someone more 'pliable'?...or maybe it just couldn't be swept under the rug, any more. A Republican plot? 'Vast right wing conspiracy'? Not corrupt enough? I think I'll check out some of the good recipes, from Russell.... GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 04 Aug 10 - 07:57 AM Genie, Well, not to deminish Katherine Harris's role in the voter purge in Florida, but she did have alot of help from Jeb Bush... And the not-so-funny-thing is that the contractor that was hired to do the dirty work was paid with tax dollars??? B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Genie Date: 04 Aug 10 - 04:26 PM GfS, I'm wondering that myself. With conflicts of interest being so common - in all branches of government - and with corruption occurring so often both in the public & private sector (Intel's now under investigation for corrupt practices, I heard today) - what and who determines which allegations make news, which investigations are undertaken and which ones get TV coverage, and in what cases is the political affiliation or philosophy of the accused highlighted? Who decides these things? I find the timing of the investigations & stories about Rangel and, especially, Waters, more than a bit suspicious. Whatever the allegations of impropriety against Maxine Waters, they could have been made public months ago instead of 3 months before the midterm elections. I don't think it's any secret that the major news media like to see elections close so the suspense will drive ratings. That means a tendency to skew their coverage in a way that will favor those out of power, or the underdogs - whatever will tighten the gap. The major media are also huge businesses owned by even bigger conglomerates, and that does tend to make them favor pro-business candidates over pro-labor and those politicians who favor less regulation and lower taxation of the big corporations. But the Democrats, as the majority party, have a lot to say about who gets investigated. I'm not sure how much and by what means the Republicans influence things like this, but I'm sure they do have some influence, as they are represented on the Congressional committees. It's also true that GW Bush pretty much purged the Justice Dept. of most attorneys who didn't share the Republicans' political aims and views, and the Obama admin. hasn't done much to change that (partly because so many of Obama's nominees have had "holds" put on them by Republicans). So the makeup of the Federal Dept. Of Justice may have something to do with this rather convenient (for the Republicans) timing. I'd really like to find out more about this. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 04 Aug 10 - 06:30 PM I think that the Dems just didn't want to have trials going on during the elections so they are pushing both Waters and Rangel to make whatever deals that need to be made now and get these allegations behind them before the last month before the elections... The not-so-funny part of this is reading what these people are supposed to have done... I mean, I'm reading the stuff and thinkin', "Well, yeah, isn't that what politicans do all the time???" B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Genie Date: 04 Aug 10 - 07:05 PM Exactly, Bobert! What do people think paid lobbyists are all about if it's not to influence the votes of legislators or the decisions of the administration? Does anyone really think there was no impropriety in Antonin Scalia going golfing with Dick Cheney right before the SCOTUS was to rule on an important case involving Cheney? When I was taking high school civics, we were taught about "log-rolling" in Congress and "patronage" offices, as standard operating procedure. If we really wanted our politicians to be above suspicion, we probably wouldn't allow them (or their spouses) to invest in the stock market while they were in office and we'd quickly stop that revolving door between government service and lobbying or executive positions with corporations. Should all legislators recuse themselves from voting on any bill that affects the value of stocks they hold? I think you may be right about the Democratic Party's motive/strategy, and in Rangel's case I'm sorry to say it's probably a good one (he should accept a reprimand at least). But I'm not at all sure Maxine Waters has done anything inappropriate, much less corrupt (though she could have avoided even the possibility of finger-pointing by having someone else set up that meeting). And I can't say I blame her for not wanting to "admit wrongdoing" if she's honestly not guilty. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Sawzaw Date: 06 Aug 10 - 12:36 PM Bobert: "Fox edited the speech" Do you have enough personal morality to explain how Fox edited something that was already on the internet? |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 06 Aug 10 - 12:44 PM ..."personal morality"??? What does that have to do with "editing"... Oh yeah, like not tellin' the whole story??? Geeze, Fox never does that, does it??? Or telling stories that ain't even real like doctors being shot at during Katrina??? I donno, Sawz... I'm tryin' to work with ya here, son, but when ya' come with these very strange interpretations of reality, it makes it real hard... Kinda like that square peg/round hole thing... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Genie Date: 06 Aug 10 - 02:35 PM Correction: Scalia and Cheney went duck hunting together, not golfing, while Cheney had a case pending before the SCOTUS. CBSNews article here [[(CBS) Vice President Dick Cheney and Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia spent part of last week duck hunting together at a private camp in southern Louisiana, just three weeks after the court agreed to take up the vice president's appeal in lawsuits over his handling of the administration's energy task force, the Los Angeles Times says in its Saturday editions. While Scalia and Cheney are avid hunters and longtime friends, several experts in legal ethics questioned the timing of their trip and said it raised doubts about Scalia's ability to judge the case impartially, the newspaper pointed out. But Scalia rejected that concern Friday, telling the Times, "I do not think my impartiality could reasonably be questioned." Federal law says "any justice or judge shall disqualify himself in any proceeding in which his impartiality might be questioned," the Times notes. For nearly three years, Cheney has been fighting demands that he reveal whether he met with energy industry officials, including Kenneth Lay when Lay was chairman of Enron, while Cheney was formulating the president's energy policy, the Times explains. A lower court ruled that Cheney must turn over documents detailing who met with his task force, but on Dec. 15, the high court announced it would hear his appeal. The justices are due to hear arguments in April in the case of "in re Richard B. Cheney." In a written response to an inquiry from the Times about the hunting trip, Scalia said: "Cheney was indeed among the party of about nine who hunted from the camp. Social contacts with high-level executive officials (including cabinet officers) have never been thought improper for judges who may have before them cases in which those people are involved in their official capacity, as opposed to their personal capacity. For example, Supreme Court Justices are regularly invited to dine at the White House, whether or not a suit seeking to compel or prevent certain presidential action is pending." ...]] |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 06 Aug 10 - 03:10 PM Scalia and Cheney are two peas in a pod... Cheney wouldn't have had to do any arm twisting... I mean, nuthin' like all the poinding that Cheney did on those poor intellegence analysts back in the mad-dash-to-Iraq days... |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Genie Date: 07 Aug 10 - 03:07 AM Well, I agree about Cheney and Scalia. But it doesn't look like Maxine Waters did anything resembling arm-twisting either. All she did was arrange a meeting, at which she was not present. She wasn't party to determining whether that bank got a gov't. loan or not. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Sawzaw Date: 07 Aug 10 - 12:42 PM Hey Pops, Either Fox did or didn't edit the speech. Can you figger it out with out all the defensive huffin' and puffin'? I think a "strange interpretation of reality" is to claim "Fox edited the speech" when the speech was on the internet before Fox even knew it existed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Genie Date: 07 Aug 10 - 06:15 PM OK, maybe "edited" isn't technically the right word when someone selectively presents excerpts of a speech to deliberately misrepresent and distort what the speaker was saying. It's still, at best, horribly irresponsible journalism and, at worst, slander and defamation of character. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Genie Date: 07 Aug 10 - 06:18 PM ETA: As I understand it, when you take a longer text and remove parts of it, that does constitute "editing" - unless you clearly identify the cited part as an "excerpt." What makes it irresponsible or reprehensible is how it's used and with what intent. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bill D Date: 07 Aug 10 - 06:46 PM When certain folks have no real defense after being caught misrepresenting the truth, whether accidently or knowingly, they and their supporters often resort to knit-picking details and parsing definitions in order to obfuscate the issue. The point is..someone took a video and 'reduced' it to just the parts that a gullible, careless watcher might construe as indicating wrongdoing, where there was none. And some broadcasters who ought to know better, (and who probably did), used that partially shown, 'reduced' video, without checking for the entire thing, to embarrass those they consider their opponents. The exact order of the unfair tactics and poor judgment of the perpetrators is a matter for those who make their living investigating such things. IT WAS A SETUP AND A TRICK!!! The really sad thing is that, because of the sensitivity and hair-trigger nature of racial concerns, some on the left bit on the bait also. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 07 Aug 10 - 07:37 PM What Genie and Bill said better than I could, Sawz... |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Amos Date: 07 Aug 10 - 10:02 PM That "someone" was the right-end wingnut BReibart, not Fox per se. He is an independent mudraker and shit-stirring irresponsible loony who runs around spouting fire and brimstone because he has no sense of decency, and filters hatred through a very small brain. He couldn't find his soul with both hands if his heart was on fire, which it is not... A |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 07 Aug 10 - 10:43 PM Can't top that stuff, folks... I mean, when Amos get's into his *groooooove* then ain't no toppin' it so... ... what Amos said... B~ p.s. Yeah, I know - its dated but - scum bag??? |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 08 Aug 10 - 02:29 AM Bobert: "... I mean, when Amos get's into his *groooooove* then ain't no toppin' it so..." Amos, like virtually ALL other partisans, is not 'in the groove', but rather in a rut!. Genie, More stories that have been mostly buried by the press (so much for investigative reporting), Nancy Pelosi, pushing legislation, in regards to mortgages and foreclosing,..when her husband's business is to sell foreclosed property,..Harry Reid's land scandal and swindling in Nevada, John McCain's magical and mystical 'pardoning' for the Lincoln Savings and Loan scandal, Barney Frank's slimy involvement with HUD and Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac, toss in Dodd on that one, too: Bill Clinton's deal with Poulsen, asking it easy for people who couldn't pay their mortgages, to get a mortgage,..then bundling up those unsecured loans, and using them for collateral!!??! ...oh, and that's JUST in the property, mortgage and banking sectors..which screwed up our economy, ...along with giving incentives to ship our manufacturing overseas:...Nafta, passed while most of congress had recessed for Christmas vacation...Hillary Clinton, and the Rose Law firm corruption, that got swept away, along with her illegal fund raising......and that's just for starters!!!! ...then we could go onto the drug cartels, and the real reason the borders are so porous...(Hint: It has nothing to do with allowing people in who want to work the jobs Americans don't want...what a crock of shit!) ...but they circulate bullshit propaganda, that the left starts spouting(NOW), but the left were the ones screaming at Bush, because of it.....oh yeah,I remember Joe Offer's post, sympathetically citing the length of time it took the government to process the legal immigration papers, do we all remember that??...but then we want these same bureaucratic jerk-offs to run our health care????? My MY MY, what a job the press has done for the crooks in Washington!!!!!! ..and to top it off, they've got us arguing the idealistic values of these 'wonderful' representatives, who are 'spokesmen' for the ideals that we are told, sold, and lied to, that they believe in!!! May the force be with you!!....You really didn't see, what you just saw!! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 08 Aug 10 - 09:42 AM Now don't be like that, GfSer... Ol' hillbilly is a "trainecd observer of groove" (TOOG) and in TOOG school we have to be able to recognize the difference betweem ruts and grooves and we TOOGers see Amos as in a real groovey groove... RGG to TOOGers... As for the above noted supposed Dem scandals??? 10% reality and 90% bunk... I mean, politicans doin' favors for folks and introducing people to each other??? Horrors!!!... Not... This is what politicans... It goes with the job descrition... I mean, I was a a meeting this past week with Virginia's Lt. Governor and two state senators (General Assembly) about "economic developement and that's about all they were talkin' about... You know, putting people and resources together... That's what they do if they are doing their jobs, fir gosh sakes... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 08 Aug 10 - 09:54 AM Bobert: "As for the above noted supposed Dem scandals??? 10% reality and 90% bunk... I mean, politicans doin' favors for folks and introducing people to each other??? Horrors!!!... Not... This is what politicans... It goes with the job descrition... I mean, I was a a meeting this past week with Virginia's Lt. Governor and two state senators (General Assembly) about "economic developement and that's about all they were talkin' about... You know, putting people and resources together... That's what they do if they are doing their jobs, fir gosh sakes..." You Dirty Rats, you killed my brother!...... Gfs |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 08 Aug 10 - 11:29 AM Huh??? Did I miss something here, GfSer??? |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bill D Date: 08 Aug 10 - 12:49 PM GfS...you are beginning to sound like... ummm... another regular poster ...who debates Republican/conservative flaws by asserting that HE can find similar...or presumed similar cases about Democrats/liberals. You want me to C&P some paragraphs about exactly what kind of logical fallacies this involves? You want to make some accusations and debate some? Go make a specific thread! THIS thread is about a specific item and habit of the right of deceit and fakery where 'news' is made by inventing a story where none really exists. Shirley Sherrod did NOT make a racist speech...(and no ACORN staffers actually fell for that pimp & prostitute gimmick). As Bobert notes, many of those 'stories' you refer to are unproven 'insinuations' about 'possible' conflicts of interest...etc. I have no problem with finding out the **truth**, but I'd bet that many will turn out to be more HYPE than fact....but as I say...do it in a different thread! |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 08 Aug 10 - 01:24 PM I'm with you on this one, Bill... Yeah, as much as I like GfSer, I think she's a closet Repub... And Reobs don't want to have a discussion about the credibility of their news sources because it doesn't play well... I mean, I listen to MSNBC and I have challenged the righties to prove where either Keith Olberman or Rachael Maddow has knowingly lied... I also read the Washington Post daily and the same challenge goes to the Post, as well... But like I said, this is a discussion that the Repubs and the right don't want to have because they have discovered that mythology is alot easier to spin in their favor than reality... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 08 Aug 10 - 02:18 PM Bill, you brought up points, when I was addressing other ones, and are trying to argue on another topic. I'm talking about tje corruption, ON BOTH SIDES...same with Bobert. Look do the math: Federal government, divided by corruption, times two parties, rounded off by three branches = organized crime. It's as easy as 1-2-3. That's who's in control!.... ..but you love it that way, as long as they point their fingers at the other side, and convince you, that they aren't just as guilty!!!..What a con job! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Genie Date: 08 Aug 10 - 06:38 PM BTW, folks, Fox 'News' has done it again. Just a day or so ago they were doing a story on the Maxine Waters "scandal" and they, um, 'accidentally' ran a picture of Shirley Sherrod, as Waters. Oops! I mean, isn't it convenient that so often when they have to cover a story about a corrupt Republican politician, someone on their staff "accidentally" identifies that person as a "Democratic Congressman" in the photo captions. Then, when called on it, of course, they apologize and change the caption (or in this case, the photo), but many times more people have viewed the "mistake" than ever see the correction. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 09 Aug 10 - 03:10 AM Here, get a clue...............as I was/am saying GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 09 Aug 10 - 07:30 AM Won't be long before FOX "accidentally" puts up a picture of Willie Horton instead of Obama... That's the problem that the media doesn't get... "The Story" has the most impact... The retractions get sugarcoated or buried... I was talkin' about the Washington Post and, yeah, they didn't go out of their way to lie but they ceratinly didn't do the hard journalistic work during the Bush/Cheney mad-dash-to-Iraq days... Seems everyday the Post (and other major newspapers) bought into the information that the war mongers wanted printed on Page One... Then after all the reasons for the war were debunked the Post printed a half-assed apology on page A-17 for "falling into a culture" and not doing the real job of "journalism"... "Falling into a culture"??? What does that exactly mean... So I wrote them and asked what steps they had taken to prevent them from "falling into a culture" again??? Stil awaiting an answer andf that s going on 6 or 7 years now... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 09 Aug 10 - 07:43 AM BTW, the kdennigerclip is just more subterfuge to this discussion which is not about corruption in government, which is a real deal and deserves another thread, but about the corruption within FOX, or the FCC which allows FOX to repeatedly tell lies over the "public airwaves" that are, in theory, owned by all of us... I mean, if in fact the public airwaves are owned by all of us then I, for one, ressnt my ownership position to be used to spread propaganda to folks who believe they have these "2nd Ammendment Rights" to exerciase if they don't like this or that government policy... That is not civilization... That is anarchy... BTW, Part 2... I'd bet the farm that "kdenniger" couldn't begin to explain what a "credit default swap' actaully is... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Sawzaw Date: 09 Aug 10 - 10:22 AM Yeah, I agree someone did it, but that does not justify Bobert's hate campaign for Fox. When someone makes an erroneous, false, bigoted claim that a particular organization did something that it did not do and someone points it out, it is not nit picking. To try to say that "someone" did it in order to justify the an erroneous, false, bigoted claim is nitpicking. That is the same as editing something to make it appear that somebody did something they did not do. Whoever does this is just as guilty of a hit job as the person that edited the video of Sherrod. We all assume that Breitbart edited the tape. Bobert however wants to claim Fox did it with a Breitbart style hit job on Fox News. This is after it has been pointed out to him that the major news sources do not even mention Fox News except to say they acted decently. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bill D Date: 09 Aug 10 - 10:39 AM GfS... the fact that there have been some Democrats who WERE guilty of corruption in the past,does not alter the fact that most of your examples were about**alleged** 'corruption, while the THREAD is about actual examples of faked news and attempts to throw enough mud to keep Fox viewers from even looking for the truth....just as they are doing about Obama's birth certificate. Asserting that the 'stories' about Democrats were 'buried' only makes sense IF there were actual 'stories' to be told. I have seen some of them mentioned on 'liberal' news sites & stations, but only because unfounded accusations, in & of themselves, are sort of news. As I say... post evidence... in another thread about the specific supposed offense. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Amos Date: 09 Aug 10 - 10:46 AM And it bears remindment, Sawz, that while Fox did not as far as is known produce the Briebart slur-tape, they have a long and uglly record of distorting the truth and painting false pictures based on hysterical unreason. When you lie down with pigs, bro, you wake up smelling like slops. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 09 Aug 10 - 11:42 AM Take yer "bigot" and stick way up yer posterior, Sawz... Your using it to co-opt it's true and historical meaning is as bigoted as I have seen here including Martin Gibson's utterly obnoxius and sexists post... So quit it!!! It's a wrong use of the word that devalues the entire civil right struggle!!! Co-optin the term to folks who fought in the civil rights movement is equivalent of calling black people "niggers"... But don't believe me... Take yer ignirant ass down to Hoeward University and take this post with you and show it to a professor of Race Studies... You are the real "bigot" fir contionuing to use this word as to mean anyone who disagrees with you... yeah, I guess that to black folks who were riounded up and lynched it could be argued that the KKK disagreed with them... That's what you sound like... I mean, you totatlly refuse to understand how offensive this word is... So stop using it... Por favor... It will set you free knowing that you are not propagating a very racist littel PR ballgame... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Genie Date: 09 Aug 10 - 04:56 PM [[That's the problem that the media doesn't get... "The Story" has the most impact... The retractions get sugarcoated or buried. ]] Oh, I think Fox 'News' "gets it" very well. Some of the other media may be just being careless - in the attempt to avoid being "scooped" by the others when a juicy story comes up, and that's irresponsible. But I think Fox has made way too many such "errors" (mislabeling photos, misidentifying people, etc.) for most of them to be accidents. I've never heard of them "accidentally" identifying a corrupt Democrat as a "Republican" or any other such "mistake" that would cast a bad light on the Republicans. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 09 Aug 10 - 06:20 PM Oh, I'm sorry, Genie... I don't think of FOX being part of the media... My bad... They clearly are... Just not part of the ***news*** media... The ***BIGASS LIE*** media, however??? Different story... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Sawzaw Date: 13 Sep 10 - 01:46 PM Well well well. Who here believes "Fox edited the speech to make it sound as if Ms. Sherrod was talkin' about recnt events" ? Let's see a show of hands. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: dick greenhaus Date: 13 Sep 10 - 05:08 PM I, for one. But then I was influenced by seeing the entire speech, as well as the Fox edit. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: beardedbruce Date: 13 Sep 10 - 05:46 PM Dick, FOX did not edit it. But if you won't look for the truth, you will believe whatever your owners tell you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 13 Sep 10 - 06:10 PM Doesn't much matter who edited the speech... Responsible journalism requires verification... FOX is not into responsible journalism or they would have checked the story before running it... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: beardedbruce Date: 13 Sep 10 - 06:17 PM And OBAMA is not into responsible government or HE would have checked the story before firing her... FOX did NOT run the clip UNTIL AFTER OBAMA HAD HER FIRED! Obama made it news!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Slag Date: 13 Sep 10 - 06:43 PM Thank God there's no prejudice here at the 'cat. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 13 Sep 10 - 08:00 PM Sorry, bruce, but ***Obama*** didn't fire her... Ya' might want to check the real story out rather than invent one... Not that yer's doesn't sound tantilizin', mind you... Problem is, it's mythology... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: beardedbruce Date: 13 Sep 10 - 08:34 PM Bobert, Obama told his appointee to deal with the problem, since he had heard that Beck was going to put it on- ( WHICH BECK DID NOT) Obama is responsible , justy as Bush was responsible for the actions of HIS administration. YOU need to look at the facts. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: beardedbruce Date: 13 Sep 10 - 08:48 PM 300 |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Sawzaw Date: 14 Sep 10 - 11:43 PM "Responsible journalism requires verification" So I assume Bobert verified his story before he ran "his" story about Fox editing the tape. Or does Bobert hold others to a different standard than the one he sets for himself? |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Sawzaw Date: 16 Sep 10 - 12:30 AM Ain't heard nothin from Bobert about whether he believes his own "fact" or not. I guess the answer is no, he does not believe "Fox edited the speech to make it sound as if Ms. Sherrod was talkin' about recnt events" But he wants other people to believe it. Is that what you call propaganda? Is that what Bobert would call a "BIG LIE"? Propaganda is a form of communication that is aimed at influencing the attitude of a community toward some cause or position. As opposed to impartially providing information, propaganda, in its most basic sense, presents information primarily to influence an audience. Propaganda often presents facts selectively (thus possibly lying by omission) to encourage a particular synthesis, or uses loaded messages to produce an emotional rather than rational response to the information presented. The desired result is a change of the attitude toward the subject in the target audience to further a political agenda. Propaganda can be used as a form of political warfare. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 16 Sep 10 - 08:30 AM Perhaps you wished I'd said that Fox edited the tape, Sawz, but I never actually made that claim... As fir the firin', unless the story has changed, Salazar had allready handled it (fired Sherrod) before Obama knew about the story??? No??? Now do any ot these constitute a "BIG LIE"??? Well, no they don't... These are just little side bar skirmishes... The "BIG LIE" is like Bonehead Boehner saying that thr stimilis hasn't created any jobs... I mean, that is a rediculuous statement... I mean, not even the flat earth economists are making that claim... But leave it to Bonehead to come up with total crock of mythology... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Sawzaw Date: 16 Sep 10 - 02:07 PM Bobert now claims he didn't claim what he claimed and is trying to shift the focus of the thread he started to something else. Time for another show of hands. Who believes Bobert did not claim that "Fox edited the speech to make it sound as if Ms. Sherrod was talkin' about recnt events"? |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 16 Sep 10 - 04:57 PM Well, well, well... Even a blind squirel finds an acorn now and then.... You are entirely correct, Sawz... I did falsely accuse FOX of doing the editing when the hatchet job was done by one of their buddies... They just aired it... Congrates, Sawz... After all these years of being all these different people who are consistently wrong you finally got into the "win column"... (Give the boy a peanut...) B;~) |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Sawzaw Date: 17 Sep 10 - 12:55 AM Well Golllleeee. Bobert is finally taking responsibility for what he says. Good on ya Bobert. Now if you can kindly point out where I was wrong about something with some facts to back it up, I will gladly apologize. I am not the type that has to be right all the time and I don't mind being corrected. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 17 Sep 10 - 08:43 AM That would take up several days of typin' and a couple hundred pudder screens, Sawz... Unlike you, I have lots of real world things that I need to do rather than play those childish games... |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Sawzaw Date: 17 Sep 10 - 12:53 PM You don't mind spending several days or even weeks posting things you refuse to back up with facts. Is that a game or do you get paid? |
