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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate From: Teribus Date: 07 Aug 14 - 06:11 AM "Doesn't seem very relevant to the present, though, as ISIS is not making its territorial gains through air power." - Richard Bridge Sorry Richard I thought your concern was for those about to be butchered not exchange of real estate. Relevance as I seem to have to spell out for you in the light of the question you originally asked is as follows: In 1991 Saddam Hussein threatened and attempted to kill thousands of Iraqi Kurds in retribution in the immediate aftermath of his defeat Desert Storm - The UK from NATO bases inside Turkey mounted a land and air operation to prevent that. Today ISIS forces threaten to kill 40,000 of Iraq's Kurdish Yezidi religious minority - You asked who could come to their aid - at least that is what I thought you were asking? Answer of course would be the Iraqi Armed Forces provided that waste of space Nouri Al-Maliki can get his act together. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate From: Jim Carroll Date: 07 Aug 14 - 06:01 AM "You just make this shit up." No Keith - you say this shit - I cut and paste exactly what you say for you to deny, blame someone else for and finally reiterate. You do possess some initiative - you've proved that by taking up cudgels of behalf of a terrorist state's having used illegal weapons of a civilian population - without them having denied it themselves Now there's initiative for you - worth nine guineas an ounce, as they used to say. Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 07 Aug 14 - 05:39 AM Outrage at the suffering and the evil of the perpetators defines your posts on Gaza. Here is greater suffering and greater evil without any claim of self defence or fighters behind civilians. This is just religious inspired hatred and intolerance and open genocide. Why do you people always and only attack Israel? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 07 Aug 14 - 05:12 AM No Musket. You and the others just posted moral outrage at the degree of Palestinian suffering. If there were any posts about "Western propping" they were very few indeed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate From: Musket Date: 07 Aug 14 - 04:48 AM Sigh.. The outrage concerning Gaza is the hitherto western propping up and support for Israeli terrorism. Despite everything, despite your usual lack of intelligence in such matters, I really didn't think I'd have to spell it out. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 07 Aug 14 - 04:33 AM This genocidal atrocity dwarfs the Gaza situation but where is the outrage? Guardian 3 hours ago, "Tens of thousands of members of one of Iraq's oldest minorities have been stranded on a mountain in the country's north-west, facing slaughter at the hands of jihadists surrounding them below if they flee, or death by dehydration if they stay. UN groups say at least 40,000 members of the Yazidi sect, many of them women and children, have taken refuge in nine locations on Mount Sinjar, a craggy, mile-high ridge identified in local legend as the final resting place of Noah's ark. At least 130,000 more people, many from the Yazidi stronghold of Sinjar, have fled to Dohuk, in the Kurdish north, or to Irbil, where regional authorities have been struggling since June to deal with one of the biggest and most rapid refugee movements in decades. Sinjar itself has been all but emptied of its 300,000 residents since jihadists stormed the city late on Saturday, but an estimated 25,000 people remain. "We are being told to convert or to lose our heads," said Khuldoon Atyas, who has stayed behind to guard his family's crops. "There is no one coming to help." Another man, who is hiding in the mountains and identified himself as Nafi'ee, said: "Food is low, ammunition is low, and so is water. We have one piece of bread to share between 10 people. We have to walk 2km to get water." "At least 500 Yazidis, including 40 children, have been killed in the past week, local officials say. Many more have received direct threats, either from the advancing militants or members of nearby Sunni communities allied with them. "They were our neighbours and now they are our killers," said Atyas. "It's not like this is a one-off incident," said the Unicef spokeswoman Juliette Touma. "We are almost back to square zero in terms of the preparedness and the supplies. Enormous numbers of people have been crossing the border since June. "The stresses are enormous; dehydration, fatigue, people sometimes having to walk for days. The impact on kids is very physical, let alone the psychological impact." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate From: Richard Bridge Date: 07 Aug 14 - 04:27 AM Doesn't seem very relevant to the present, though, as ISIS is not making its territorial gains through air power. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate From: Teribus Date: 07 Aug 14 - 02:37 AM I think that the last time anything like this was carried out was in 1991: "Operation Safe Haven" was a British initiative, made at a time when the USA was fundamentally disinterested in any further taking of action in the Gulf. The British Prime Minister's lobbying of European colleagues achieved NATO support, leveraging the necessary American air support. Then as Saddam's retribution activities escalated, US ground and logistic support was also achieved. This was a distinctly British operation though, with a proposed force of 6000 personnel, spearheaded by 3 Commando Brigade, Royal Marines, with elements from the Army, RAF and other coalition members. It was deemed dramatically successful, even though it appeared to be risky given the climate of those times. Operation Safe Haven literally "invaded" Iraq. The Coalition's main task was to enter Northern Iraq {From Turkey}, clear the designated area of the Iraqi threat and establish a safe environment for the Kurd refugees to return to their homes. The mission was both a military one and humanitarian; once security had been established, with the US providing air support and specialist elements with other Coalition members, supply and rebuilding of infrastructure was then initiated. The ground mission within Iraq took 58 days to complete. Operation Safe Haven officially ended shortly after and the enforcement of the 'No Fly Zone' continued to ensure security in the region." In Southern Iraq around the same time, where there was no international intervention, Saddam Hussein's forces killed over 200,000 Iraqi Shia Arabs in two months (That represents a greater loss of Iraqi lives than lives lost between 2003 and 2011), hundreds of thousands were displaced, ground water was poisoned and marshes drained - of course none of the DU ammunition fired from Saddam's Hind Helicopter gunships did any any damage and none of the environmentally "unfriendly" measures implemented by Saddam's regime had any effect on the population. As we all "know" on this forum only DU munitions fired by US or UK armed forces do any damage. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate From: Richard Bridge Date: 06 Aug 14 - 06:01 PM So who has the military power to affect that? World's policeman anyone? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate From: bobad Date: 06 Aug 14 - 05:05 PM Where's the UN on this one? BAGHDAD — Stranded on a barren mountaintop, thousands of minority Iraqis are faced with a bleak choice: descend and risk slaughter at the hands of the encircled Sunni extremists or sit tight and risk dying of thirst. Humanitarian agencies said Tuesday that between 10,000 and 40,000 civilians remain trapped on Mount Sinjar since being driven out of surrounding villages and the town of Sinjar two days earlier. But the mountain that had looked like a refuge is becoming a graveyard for their children. Iraqi Yazidis stranded on isolated mountaintop begin to die of thirst |
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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate From: bobad Date: 06 Aug 14 - 04:43 PM Kurdish members of Iraq's Yezidi religious minority in Sinjar are being massacred by ISIS if they refuse to convert to Islam. They're ancient fire-worshipers with roots in Zoroastrianism and they long predate the Koran. More than 300 of them so far have been murdered for their religion alone. Killings of this sort on a large scale are called genocide. ISIS Exterminating Minorities in Iraq No outrage here? Of course not, no Jews involved, silly me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 06 Aug 14 - 01:31 PM Of course not Musket. How stupid. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate From: Musket Date: 06 Aug 14 - 12:28 PM Up till last month, my appointments secretary was a male of Pakistani descent. He doesn't like his new boss and has asked me to supply a reference for a new job. Keith, do you think I should warn prospective employers of his sexual tendencies? You being an expert on the bloke and all that? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 06 Aug 14 - 12:13 PM I have no "attitude to Muslims." You just make this shit up. There is no "Muslim culture" but many and various cultures from many and various regions of the world. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate From: Jim Carroll Date: 06 Aug 14 - 10:59 AM "keep wheedling on about this shit for-fucking-ever." Keith's 'implant' argument goes through his attitude to Muslims like "Blackpool goes through rock" as we say over here (don't know where you are Jeri). It informs every statement he makes about Muslims and their culture. Bringing it up whenever I do is nothing more than a reminder of that fact, though I admit it gives me a bit of a buzz to watch him deny it, then try to blame someone else for it, then finally acknowledge that it is still his opinion. Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate From: Greg F. Date: 06 Aug 14 - 09:50 AM Tell me this stupid bickering...isn't all because of a typo...>/I> Nope. Its because of a particular fuckwitted individual. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate From: Jeri Date: 06 Aug 14 - 09:26 AM Jim, duh. I keep forgetting what level of stupid a person has to be to keep wheedling on about this shit for-fucking-ever. But obviously, if Keith is OK with it, it wasn't a typo. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 06 Aug 14 - 09:14 AM So there we have a number of Muslim opponents to ISIS Yes ISIS are opponents of all Shia Muslims. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate From: bobad Date: 06 Aug 14 - 09:14 AM I would imagine all Shia Muslims oppose ISIS. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate From: Richard Bridge Date: 06 Aug 14 - 09:00 AM So there we have a number of Muslim opponents to ISIS. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate From: beardedbruce Date: 06 Aug 14 - 08:35 AM BEIRUT (Reuters) - The Lebanese army and Islamist militants clashed on Wednesday despite a 24-hour ceasefire agreed to end five days of fighting that has killed dozens of people in the most serious spillover of Syria's three-year civil war into Lebanon. Saudi Arabian King Abdullah granted $1 billion to help the Lebanese army to bolster security as they battle militants who have seized the border town of Arsal on the Syrian frontier, state news agency SPA reported. Machine gun fire and shelling broke out on Wednesday morning on the outskirts of the town in breach of the 24-hour ceasefire, which came into force at 7 p.m. (12 p.m. EDT) on Tuesday. "The ceasefire is continuing, but we are responding to any violations," a security official said. At least 17 soldiers have been killed and 22 are missing from the violence in and around Arsal. Preliminary reports from inside the town suggest dozens of people have been killed there. Advancing Lebanese troops found the bodies of 50 gunmen on Monday, security sources said, while sources in the town report heavy casualties among its civilian population. Arsal's mayor Ali Hujeiri, by phone, said the gunmen were on the outskirts of the town. "There was a ceasefire, but it is not being implemented," he said, adding that there appeared to be more militants in the area. "The army is still there, the gunmen are still there, and the ones suffering are the civilians." Arsal was the first stop for many civilians fleeing the bloodshed in Syria. Refugee camps in Arsal that provide shelter to tens of thousands of Syrians who fled the war have been badly damaged in the fighting, forcing them to seek shelter in the town itself, Syrian activists in the area have said. http://news.yahoo.com/saudi-arabia-grants-lebanons-army-1-billion-aid-074214443.html |
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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate From: Jim Carroll Date: 06 Aug 14 - 08:30 AM What typo? Keith chose to include "all Pakistani Muslims" in his racist attack. He said that the ones that were not involved "resisted their implant", putting all British Pakistani Muslims under suspicion (a potential enemy within, due to their culture - even worse) Over and over again he has defended his statement by claiming "culture is all" That it "tarring them all with the same brush" whatever colour you tar happens to be. As far as I know, nobody has mentioned religion here other than Christian Keith, but he has made it clear throughout is Islamophobic attacks that it is all part of his holy war - defending his own (claimed) religion as being innocent of persecution, while at the same time attaching the belief of others. This statement will be there to bite his bum every time he declares his own innocence and calls other people liars It is fundamental race and cultural hate-mongering, such stuff are holocausts made of. Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate From: Jeri Date: 06 Aug 14 - 07:54 AM In the 'Muslim Prejudice' flame war, Keith wrote: Don, no one on this thread has claimed any of those things.Tell me this stupid bickering...well, this particular strain of stupid bickering, isn't all because of a typo... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 06 Aug 14 - 07:28 AM You referred to the Muslim culture No I did not, and never have. I stated repeatedly that them being Muslim was not an issue and religion played no part. (As you know because you have been making the same false claims for over three years and had them refuted every time) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate From: Jim Carroll Date: 06 Aug 14 - 07:20 AM " I stated clearly that I did not believe that issue was in any way releated to Islam or any other religion." "Don I do now believe that all male Pakistani Muslims have a culturally implanted tendency......" (context Muslim underage sex) You referred to the Muslim culture and you have throughout - ie - all Muslims are the same - in your own words. You have elevated gobshiteism to and artform Stop buggering up this forum with your lies and obfuscations you twisted little toerag Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 06 Aug 14 - 05:17 AM No musket. You provided a "quote" that Google could only find in your post, and you claimed it was from "The British Council of Mosques" which does not exist. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate From: Musket Date: 06 Aug 14 - 05:14 AM Yeah, I remember him saying that too. He also started a "Peoples' Popular Front of Judea" type argument to say the Muslim Council of Great Britain doesn't exist when I quoted something from a regional council of mosques that they endorsed. It's easy to try and make people look idiots, as Keith shows, but it is difficult to succeed, as Keith shows. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 06 Aug 14 - 05:13 AM As you know because I have reminded you many times, I stated clearly that I did not believe that issue was in any way releated to Islam or any other religion. I just reported that British Pakistani people were blaming their culture. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 06 Aug 14 - 05:05 AM No such words. Why the need to lie about me? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate From: Jim Carroll Date: 06 Aug 14 - 04:47 AM "Why the need to lie about me?" "All Pakistanis Muslims are culturally implanted to have underage sex" - or some such words Why do you lie about yourself? Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 06 Aug 14 - 04:42 AM next time he feels tempted to start tarring all Muslims with the same brush I never have. Why the need to lie about me? Why can you not just address what i say instead of making up shit I would never say? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate From: Richard Bridge Date: 06 Aug 14 - 04:25 AM It also seems that UK Muslim leaders condemn ISIL's attempts to establish a caliphate by force - http://www.islamonline.com/news/articles/2/UK-Muslim-Leaders-Condemn-Violent-ISIL.html |
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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate From: Richard Bridge Date: 06 Aug 14 - 04:20 AM Steady chaps, It's nice that KtheA has gone that far. Let's hope he remembers the distinction next time he feels tempted to start tarring all Muslims with the same brush. We shall see. In the meantime, the world perhaps makes progress towards reducing FGM. Adherents of a number of religions do practise it, but there are apparently comments in some of the hadith (although not the Koran) that advocate it, and geographically it is largely only found in places where Islam is also prevalent (and expatriot groups from the same places). There is some dispute whether ISIS advocates it, but the Muslim Council of Great Britain condemns it as "unislamic" http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jun/23/female-genital-mutilation-muslim-council-britain-unislamic-condemn |
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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate From: Jim Carroll Date: 06 Aug 14 - 03:36 AM "Most Muslims have no truck with Islamism." Too busy raping children because of their "implant", don't you think? Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate From: Musket Date: 06 Aug 14 - 03:09 AM I recall being laughed at by saying it is too easy to purposely confuse Islamism with Islam if your intention is to discriminate against Muslims. Then we see perfect examples of just that. I wouldn't bother back pedalling if I were you Keith, the chain came off ages ago. Anyway, you seem to be comfortable and settled with your little friends. You seem to get on like a house on fire, which is ironic considering your support for firebombing houses in Gaza. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 05 Aug 14 - 05:23 PM No Richard . Most Muslims have no truck with Islamism. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate From: Richard Bridge Date: 05 Aug 14 - 05:21 PM So, are our customary Islamophobes conflating ISIS with Islam in general? It certainly looks like it. And are those now bewailing the situation in Libya now regretting their former demonisation of Gaddafi (nasty nutjob though he was)? And - er - Iraq? Oh, and Syria. Did anybody say "I told you so"? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate From: Greg F. Date: 05 Aug 14 - 04:40 PM Oh, well, all those corpses are all right then, ain't they Bullshot? After all, they're just Palestinians and children into the bargain, not like they're real people, eh? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate From: beardedbruce Date: 05 Aug 14 - 01:50 PM There have been unconfirmed reports of massacres in Yazidi villages by the jihadists, our correspondent adds. Jawhar Ali Begg, a spokesman for the Yazidi community, said on Monday that after overrunning Sinjar, IS (formerly known as Isis) had given them an ultimatum to convert to Islam, pay a tax or face death. There are estimated to be around 500,000 Yazidis worldwide, most living in Iraq's Nineveh plains In August 2007 jihadists attacked Yazidi villages in Nineveh, killing between 400 and 700 people 400 to 700 out of 500,000- Compared to 1,900 out of 1,800,000 Gazans- YET NO_ONE HERE CALLS IT GENOCIDE. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 05 Aug 14 - 01:31 PM Iraq is asking its Air Force to assist the Kurds in fighting the Caliphate, which is adding to its territory. A evolving war that may involve the West again. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 05 Aug 14 - 12:38 PM Liya, Guardian. "How Libya's freedom came undone could fill volumes. The short version is that the first democratically elected parliament, the General National Congress, rather than disband the militias, funded them, each faction seeing its own forces as insurance against those of everyone else. An Islamist-led coalition came to dominate parliament, but as the squabbling grew worse it realised it would lose an election, so delayed having one. Then, in May, a former Gaddafi-era general turned rebel leader, Khalifa Hiftar, launched an offensive against Islamist brigades in the east while his allies stormed congress in Tripoli. An election was duly called in June, and the Islamists duly lost, or expect to lose when parliament assembles this week. The result has seen some of their militias grab what Tripoli real estate they can, triggering civil war." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 05 Aug 14 - 12:15 PM BBC today on Syria "More than 150,000 people have been killed in Syria and more than nine million have been forced to leave their homes since the uprising against Mr Assad began in March 2011. In Iraq, jihadists attacked Kurdish forces in Zumar on Friday and fighting has continued since, with at least 14 Kurds and an unknown number of IS fighters killed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 05 Aug 14 - 12:11 PM BBC on Lebanon. "n the latest clash, gunmen opened fire on a bus carrying soldiers in the city of Tripoli, the army said. Meanwhile on the border with Syria two Lebanese soldiers have reportedly been killed, as fighting with Syrian rebels continues for a fourth day. A young girl has also been shot dead, after clashes spread. The fighting on the border began on Saturday when Syrian rebels raided Arsal, a mainly Sunni Lebanese town. The rebels objected to the detention by Lebanese forces of an alleged member of Syria's Islamist militant group al-Nusra Front. At least 15 soldiers have been killed in the area since the weekend." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 05 Aug 14 - 12:09 PM BBC same story. "The UN children's agency has expressed "extreme concern" over reports that 40 children from Iraq's Yazidi minority died after an offensive by jihadists. Unicef says reports indicate the children died as a "direct consequence of violence, displacement and dehydration" over the past two days. Thousands of Yazidis fled into the mountains after the Islamic State (IS) overran the town of Sinjar on Sunday. Yazidis follow an ancient faith that jihadists condemn as devil worship. "Families who fled the area are in immediate need of urgent assistance, including up to 25,000 children who are now stranded in mountains surrounding Sinjar and are in dire need of humanitarian aid, including drinking water and sanitation services," Unicef said. BBC Arab affairs editor Sebastian Usher says the Unicef statement goes some way towards confirming some of the most disturbing reports coming out of the heartland of the Yazidi community. Images posted on the internet showed small clusters of people gathered on the sides of a canyon in the Sinjar mountains. There have been unconfirmed reports of massacres in Yazidi villages by the jihadists, our correspondent adds" http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28663926 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate From: beardedbruce Date: 05 Aug 14 - 11:32 AM Iraq's jihadis have vowed to wipe out the Yazidis. Who are they? The ancient religious group, concentrated in Iraq, have been targeted for extermination by the so-called 'Islamic State' that seized a number of towns along the Iraq-Syrian border this week. Christian Science Monitor By Lydia Tomkiw 46 minutes ago The arrival of the self-styled "Islamic State" (IS) in the northern Iraqi town of Sinjar over the weekend sent the native religious minority fleeing. Yazidis, labeled by IS (formerly the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, ISIS) "devil worshippers," have a long history of persecution. Forty Yazidi children were reported killed and reports of forced conversions and murders have now emerged. A Yazidi parliamentarian fleeing northern Iraq told the Washington Post, "In our history, we have suffered 72 massacres. We are worried Sinjar could be a 73rd." The Sinjar area, near the border with Syria, is strategically important for IS, just 50 miles from Mosul. The United Nations has said close to 200,000 have fled the area, calling it a "humanitarian tragedy." http://news.yahoo.com/iraqs-jihadis-vowed-wipe-yazidis-144449482.html |
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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate From: Richard Bridge Date: 05 Aug 14 - 11:22 AM Nobody is attacking Israel because of its religion, Poo-bad. It's because of its invasion. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate From: beardedbruce Date: 05 Aug 14 - 11:13 AM ISIS Gains First Ground in Lebanon The Atlantic Wire By David Ludwig 17 hours ago Militants associated with the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) captured the Lebanese city of Arsal in fighting that began on Friday and continued Monday. According to The Telegraph, a Syrian rebel group set up check-points in the border city but have not yet declared the area as part of the caliphate. In addition to 40,000 residents, there are roughly 120,000 refugees living in Arsal. The conflict broke out after the Lebanese Army arrested Abu Ahmad al-Jumaa, a former commander in the Free Syrian Army who later declared allegiance to ISIS. Officials said they arrested Jumaa because he planned to attack an army outpost. Since the Syrian Uprising began in 2011, an estimated one million refugees have crossed the nearly 250 mile border from Syria into Lebanon, a number expected to hit 1.5 million by the end of 2014 The United Nation's Refugee Agency predicts. The Sunni insurgents said they will leave Arsal if the government releases Jumaa, something Lebanese Prime Minister Tammam Slama flatly rejected on Monday. http://news.yahoo.com/isis-gains-first-ground-lebanon-214910243.html |
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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate From: bobad Date: 05 Aug 14 - 09:33 AM How about Iran, Qatar and Turkey stop their aid to arming Hamas so that it can launch attacks against Israel. Maybe then the citizens of Gaza and Israel can enjoy a normal and peaceful life. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate From: Richard Bridge Date: 05 Aug 14 - 09:27 AM I have an idea. The USA can take its aid from Israel and give it to the Yazidi. I did however think we were all agreed that ISIS were uncivilised wankers - and the further they go the more Muslims say that ISIS in no way truly represents Islam (as neither does Boko Haram). Or do you differ, Poo-bad? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate From: bobad Date: 05 Aug 14 - 08:43 AM "Iraq's Yazidi minority has fled from Islamic State fighters as the UN says 'a humanitarian tragedy' is unfolding in Sinjar." Al Jazeera Who gives a shit, there are no Jews involved. |