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BBC Folk Awards 2014

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Johnny J 24 Feb 14 - 05:51 PM
Big Al Whittle 24 Feb 14 - 02:08 PM
Tattie Bogle 24 Feb 14 - 01:11 PM
Big Al Whittle 24 Feb 14 - 09:59 AM
GUEST,silas 24 Feb 14 - 09:26 AM
GUEST,Selby 24 Feb 14 - 09:21 AM
The Sandman 24 Feb 14 - 08:59 AM
GUEST,Terrified Tim 24 Feb 14 - 07:28 AM
Silas 24 Feb 14 - 07:25 AM
Silas 24 Feb 14 - 07:20 AM
The Sandman 24 Feb 14 - 07:19 AM
Big Al Whittle 24 Feb 14 - 07:13 AM
Silas 24 Feb 14 - 06:54 AM
Big Al Whittle 24 Feb 14 - 06:40 AM
The Sandman 24 Feb 14 - 05:59 AM
Silas 24 Feb 14 - 05:10 AM
The Sandman 24 Feb 14 - 04:54 AM
Big Al Whittle 24 Feb 14 - 04:51 AM
Big Al Whittle 24 Feb 14 - 04:51 AM
The Sandman 24 Feb 14 - 04:51 AM
Dave the Gnome 24 Feb 14 - 04:00 AM
Big Al Whittle 23 Feb 14 - 10:27 PM
Steve Shaw 23 Feb 14 - 08:42 PM
Big Al Whittle 23 Feb 14 - 07:46 PM
Big Al Whittle 23 Feb 14 - 07:29 PM
GUEST,Guest Betsy 23 Feb 14 - 07:26 PM
Big Al Whittle 23 Feb 14 - 06:50 PM
GUEST 23 Feb 14 - 06:43 PM
GUEST,Ed 23 Feb 14 - 05:37 PM
Steve Shaw 23 Feb 14 - 05:02 PM
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Steve Shaw 23 Feb 14 - 04:22 PM
GUEST,silas 23 Feb 14 - 04:14 PM
GUEST,Terrified Tim 23 Feb 14 - 12:56 PM
GUEST,Mike Rogers 23 Feb 14 - 12:38 PM
Big Al Whittle 23 Feb 14 - 10:11 AM
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The Sandman 23 Feb 14 - 07:05 AM
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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: Johnny J
Date: 24 Feb 14 - 05:51 PM

"As for "speak for yourself", no, I was speaking for the younger artists that I know up here in Scotland: many very knowledgeable about what they are doing/singing/playing, and average 40 years younger than me."

And even, we ourselves, know much more than we did 40 years ago. Although there were a minority of very knowledgeable individuals and(even by the standards of those days) excellent musicians, most people were still finding their way including even the Gaughans, Carthys and so on.

In general, today's younger musicians are indeed more knowledgeable and "technically advanced" in musical terms. That's not to suggest that they will necessarily have the same "soul" or "feel" for their music or are as likely to be as ground breaking as many of the acts during the revival. Many of them will, of course, but some others might just take all the extra advantages and opportunities for granted. Only time will tell.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 24 Feb 14 - 02:08 PM

yes there are some gems, paul brady doing Arthur McBride - isn't great when the ensemble shuts the ---- up?


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 24 Feb 14 - 01:11 PM

Watched the highlights programme on iPlayer last night: enjoyed some, not some, probably different bits from some of the posters here: that's normal isn't it? But I don't go round labelling anything "I" personally don't like as "shite" as I know someone else will love it! Transatlantic Sessions were on BBC2 long before BBC4 was invented, and there are some real gems among the various recordings. And, oh yes, shame on me, I have most of the DVDs. And - wait for it - I like Bellowhead (have been shot down in flames for confessing that before now! Shock horror!!)
As for "speak for yourself", no, I was speaking for the younger artists that I know up here in Scotland: many very knowledgeable about what they are doing/singing/playing, and average 40 years younger than me. They don't ALL play at the speed of light all the time.
Oh, and well said Terrified Tim, tho' I don't go with your final sentence!


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 24 Feb 14 - 09:59 AM

small festivals ...fylde, priddy, Wessex, gainsborough. not as good as folk clubs. but okay.
I don't mind concerts. its hard enough to get a good stage set up for one acoustic artist. sometimes - you get a great artist stifled by a rotten stage set up - Steve Tilston at Wimborne being a case in point. there were four other acts . no chance of getting it right.

people who can perform, present, understand, project folk music.

one of the best series on dvd was guitar maestros. great artists...wiz jones interviewed by Carthy. Martin Simpson, Carthy himself, Tilston. interviewed and created by Trevor Dann.

the beeb couldn't even dream of doing a folk programme of that quality.

that's what I like.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: GUEST,silas
Date: 24 Feb 14 - 09:26 AM

My comments were not aimed at you GSS but at Al.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: GUEST,Selby
Date: 24 Feb 14 - 09:21 AM

What happened to tolerance,the folk awards are what they are, accept it if you don't like it use the off button fitted to all TV.s. Transatlantic session does not float my boat so I don't watch it I may miss some thing exciting but that is my choice. Festivals these days IMHO are great with a good mix of artist's plus good musician sessions, good singing sessions, great morris and social dancing with most festivals having feed back forms with suggestions fitted. The folk scene has always been a broad tolerant scene,yet here all we seem to have is name calling.Enjoy what is on offer.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: The Sandman
Date: 24 Feb 14 - 08:59 AM

Silas, I do not recall saying I did not like festivals. I tell you what i like,
last night I was guest at Cork singers club, the standard of singers was high, and i enjoyed non professionals who were excellent singers, singing purely for enjoyment and doing it very well.
Silas you are presumptious, if i dont like festivals why would i run one,http://entertainment.ie/festival/Cork/The-Fastnet-Maritime-and-Folk-Festival-2014/4781.htm
you are very silly and make all sorts of assumptions about me ,when you do not know me, now please take your ignorant comments elsewhere


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: GUEST,Terrified Tim
Date: 24 Feb 14 - 07:28 AM

The worst thing about 'Folk' music as a genre - is people.

What is it about UK folk music that attracts such an alarming proliferation of vociferous vainglorious smug arseholes ?

Thank god for tranquil solitude, CDs, headphones, and a nice comfy armchair.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: Silas
Date: 24 Feb 14 - 07:25 AM

Whilst I would not deny that festivals have become more commercially aware over the past ten years or so, the essence is still the same - it gives us punters a chance to see some really first class performers in one place at one time. It also showcases lesser known acts and gives a weekend of sessions, song and dance all for a very reasonable fee. I have to assume that some of you have not been to festivals for a while as the ones I attend have really good facilities as far as toilets, showers, food outlets, beer quality etc is concerned.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: Silas
Date: 24 Feb 14 - 07:20 AM

So (and feel free to correct me if I am wrong, you don't like the BBC Folk Awards, you don't like the Transatlantic sessions, you don't like festivals - err, what DO you like exactly?


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: The Sandman
Date: 24 Feb 14 - 07:19 AM

big festivals are about commercialism and bums on seats. often with poor infra structure and facilties. Silas,I do not like the folk awards but i have a right [its called free speech] to object to the importance the media give to these hyped up, glorified Star Searching .
if you dont like us disagreeing with the idea of the folk awards,you dont have to post to this thread its not mandatory you have a choice.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 24 Feb 14 - 07:13 AM

yes it can get more stupid. imagining that calling someone stupid is explaining a sensible point of view.

if you don't give a shit about the music - obviously you won't mind it being represented in a naff way. but in that case what are you doing on this forum slinging insults at people who do care.

now that is stupid. have you ever been to a big festival? if you had....oh forget it..... you're stupid!


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: Silas
Date: 24 Feb 14 - 06:54 AM

Well, Al, since you ask, I do think you are stupid, mind you, I have only your stupid posts to judge you on, you may in reality be a nice sensible bloke - but your post, at least some of them, are stupid. Just read the one about big festivals - can it get any more stupid?

As I have said, if you don't like the folk awards - don't watch them - it's not mandatory, you do have a choice.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 24 Feb 14 - 06:40 AM

you are left speechless Silas. no you're bloody not. you just called me stupid. which is not reasoned debate - it is abuse.

I think the transatlantic sessions are excruciating. if anyone actually liked them they would made it out of the shallows of bbc4.

it is a dilution of what most of the artists do - and frankly it subtracts rather than adds to what they do. it self indulgent, it takes the edge off edgy artists.

okay your turn - why am I stupid for thinking thus?


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: The Sandman
Date: 24 Feb 14 - 05:59 AM

Every year it is the same old shite from the same old people. If you don't like it, don't watch it, you know that you are not going to like it. Simples."
Silas, if you dont like it go away,mean while I will exercise my right to say that the principle of having folk awards,has all the worst aspects of the folk world ,what nxt a eurovision folk song contest?, for god sake, this music is about people making home made music for their own enjoyment,it is not about trying to be the prettiest,most fashionable, most acceptable piece of establishment popfolk disposable sliced white bread pap so called folk.
those who sup with the commercial world of Tin pan alley ,do so at their peril.
there is an old scottish saying it takes a long spoon to sup with a Fifer, it takes a longer spoon to sup with the world of tin pan alley,tin pan alley is infested with businessmen and sharks who make the Fly Fifer a Benevolent Bovine.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: Silas
Date: 24 Feb 14 - 05:10 AM

Mike is about the only person here that is talking any sense at all.
Every year it is the same old shite from the same old people. If you don't like it, don't watch it, you know that you are not going to like it. Simples.

The awards are largely irreleveant, the music is generally great and its so nice to see live performaces of folk music on the TV.

As for those remarkably stupid comments about the Transatlantic sessions - well, I am left speechless.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: The Sandman
Date: 24 Feb 14 - 04:54 AM

I am against the principle of Folk awards, and i would say the same things if it was Carthy or jez lowe[a personal friend] or anyone else. mike rogers go somewhere else with your unfounded trolling assumptions.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 24 Feb 14 - 04:51 AM

and another thing. if you're daft enough to go a big festival - chemical toilets, crap sound, foreign language students shouting unin telligbly, beer junkies, yowling kids, mud, crushed beer cans underfoot. fair enuff if that's your bag.   but its shit television!


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 24 Feb 14 - 04:51 AM

and another thing. if you're daft enough to go a big festival - chemical toilets, crap sound, foreign language students shouting unin telligbly, beer junkies, yowling kids, mud, crushed beer cans underfoot. fair enuff if that's your bag.   but its shit television!


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: The Sandman
Date: 24 Feb 14 - 04:51 AM

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: GUEST,Mike Rogers - PM
Date: 23 Feb 14 - 12:38 PM

When I read some of the comments in this thread I despair for the future of folk music (as indeed I have done for more than fifty years).
The bitterness of some old stagers on here because of the success of the Laylam and Full English personnel would be slightly amusing were it not so pathetic.
And as for the status of performers - well, in my book they're either (a)amateur (they don't get paid), (b)semi-professional (they get paid but they have other jobs) or (c)professional (they earn their living from folk). I would suggest that anyone who is troubled by the description 'professional folk singer' changes their status from (c) to(a) forthwith. And take care not to dribble into your beer."
   bitterness? I have heard both bella hardy and lucy ward relatively recently, and i think they are both pleasant singers. you make an assumption that some old stagers are bitter because of someone elses success, that is unfair,


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 Feb 14 - 04:00 AM

we've never had awriter in this country, with those powers of analysis writing about our folk clubs

Stanley Accrington!

DtG


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 23 Feb 14 - 10:27 PM

oooooooh! I wouldn't waste your compassion. this a hole that took some years to dig themselves into. and its involved telling a lot of people who have dedicated their lives to making the techniques we all use, that they don't play folk music.

can I recommend a book called escaping the delta by Elijah Wald.
Wald is an occasional mudcatter. he writes so penetratingly about the blues.

we've never had awriter in this country, with those powers of analysis writing about our folk clubs. so perceptive. so much of what he says applies equally to our music.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Feb 14 - 08:42 PM

Actually, Al, I have said some very nice things in this thread if only you'd care to read back. My riposte had little to do with the state of folk music in itself but lots to do with the awful "guardians of the tradition" awe in which we occasionally seem to hold a few of the folk music "elders" (I hate to say "establishment figures"...) which I'm damn sure is a serious embarrassment to a good few of same!


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 23 Feb 14 - 07:46 PM

imagine that....

Bob Fox in a one hour special from the stage

Bill Caddick.....

Jack Hudson.....

Alan Bell taking about his songs and singing them.

John Connolly.......

oh it so bitter, so mean spirited....sometimes I wonder why I'm such a vicious shit.....


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 23 Feb 14 - 07:29 PM

think about it. if the beeb actually played and made programmes about people who can do the business in folk clubs - rather than these recording artists/would be festival acts.

oh what a bitter twisted thought!


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: GUEST,Guest Betsy
Date: 23 Feb 14 - 07:26 PM

I've got to agree with you Al.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 23 Feb 14 - 06:50 PM

sneering and bitterness seems all one way to me. as it always has been. no debate just snotty remarks from people who have nowt to say - just that they don't like what you're saying.

fact remains - could any of the current lot write a song that gets people singing all over the world like the much maligned Donovan/Dylan gang did?

answer came there none. mainly because the toffs at the beeb have you convinced that anyone with a certain agency and with record company puff behind them is worthy of a programme on bbc4, plays on bbc2 radio, awards hither and thus.

meanwhile to my certain knowledge folk clubs up and down the land are scratching their heads looking for acts that can put bums on seats and then entertain ....

if you want to go along with the bullshit - have the guts to say so don't blame it on the messenger.
fact is, much is rotten in the state of folk music in England. nobody's bitter - just frustrated that this ridiculous situation of promoting middle class mediocrity has gone on for so long.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Feb 14 - 06:43 PM

My daughter's comments from outside on this - a typical 23 year old, therefore what should be our target market - were that the performances were monotonous, the tales uninteresting. That is the reality of what has been done to the folk world by the Trad school.

It's basically because there's only so much you can do to the that repertoire, and it's mostly been done - to death. Those who did it to death have moved on to writing their own work. It's not so much about where you've been as where you're going. Yes, where you've been is important, but where you're going is vital.

The Imagined Village isn't about Trad repertoire, but taking the spirit of folk music into somewhere that's new. Some of Bellowhead's work does the same. I'm not talking New American, or New Mumford, or New Age, but something which in three hundred years time will be a recognisable descendant of Cecil Sharp's collections, yet not done before. Even the most ancient of folk trad was new once.

Last year a number of folks on stage at the Albert Hall led out on Tapping The Source, setting a baseline for taking folk music forwards, and where they're going is interesting - not on album yet, maybe never, you'll have to follow Radio 3 to find out. Most definitely not Trad, but rooted in Trad. It may become Trad in 200 years, and your successors will most certainly be asking what the heck they were on when they did it. The objective answer is nothing, just shaking the cage.

Now that may not fit the Smooth Operations definition of Folk, which seems rather closer to Wally Whyton's than Full English. I ask you, the Mischa Macpherson Trio? Wasn't that the act not even Nazi Stormtroopers could get off stage in the Sound of Music? Or was it the Melrose Quartet? Nancy, what were you thinking of? The point is that although there is a place for Trad, it should not exclude all else, and there are enough hints in the Tradition to come up with new work which is faithful to the corpus. New words, new tunes, new ideas. Break the mould, get edgy, be surprising.

Heaven only knows what Billy Bragg's opinion of this thread would be. I know what the viewpoint of many performing folkies in the Dalston area is. There's enough to scream about. And all you can do is talk about weaving by steam!


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 23 Feb 14 - 05:37 PM

Anything would be start...


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Feb 14 - 05:02 PM

My constructive suggestion for what?


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 23 Feb 14 - 04:47 PM

Jesus Christ. Help me, someone. We'll be talking about "ambassadors for folk" next.

And your constructive suggestion, would be what?


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Feb 14 - 04:22 PM

many wonderful guardians of the tradition

Jesus Christ. Help me, someone. We'll be talking about "ambassadors for folk" next.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: GUEST,silas
Date: 23 Feb 14 - 04:14 PM

Mike- you are so right


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: GUEST,Terrified Tim
Date: 23 Feb 14 - 12:56 PM

Mike, is it so easy to polarise young'uns verus 'old stagers' ?

my next 'big' birthday will be my 60th;

yet as it happens, I personally, am now reluctantly accepting that it's actually some of the creaky old guard celebs
of the the 'folk establishment' elite,
who are dragging down standards of live TV performance on rare broadcast shows such as this.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: GUEST,Mike Rogers
Date: 23 Feb 14 - 12:38 PM

When I read some of the comments in this thread I despair for the future of folk music (as indeed I have done for more than fifty years).
The bitterness of some old stagers on here because of the success of the Laylam and Full English personnel would be slightly amusing were it not so pathetic.
And as for the status of performers - well, in my book they're either (a)amateur (they don't get paid), (b)semi-professional (they get paid but they have other jobs) or (c)professional (they earn their living from folk). I would suggest that anyone who is troubled by the description 'professional folk singer' changes their status from (c) to(a) forthwith. And take care not to dribble into your beer.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 23 Feb 14 - 10:11 AM

on thesubject of people using he folk scene as stepping stone to pop stardom. I sort of disagree with GSS - good egg as his.

ater all in the 60's wehad loads of pop stas come from the folk club. Dylan Donovan, Baez, Cat Stevens,|Joni Mitchell,Don Partridge, Don Maclean

we had loads of people in he folk clubs wanting to hear those songs nd loadsof people wanting to play them.

What have we got these days.

many wonderful guardians of the tradition- no   hands safer I should imagine. but could any of them write a song that good? I imagine it was a stern discipline going in to bat against the beatles.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 23 Feb 14 - 07:40 AM

yes i'm not really happy with the professional folk musician tag either.

its abit like being a world musician.....you definitely exist in the world

dumb as an ox, and a bit of a moron.....its possible.
a professional oxymoron...sounds about right.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: The Sandman
Date: 23 Feb 14 - 07:05 AM

"But I'd also venture to say that possibly, just possibly, some of the newer generation of folk artists know a lot more about what they are playing or singing about than some of us did way back when. Partly down to their degree courses for some, or their own personal research, assisted by modern technology and the information explosion on the internet".
speak for yourself, there is no evidence that they know more or less about what they are playing or singing than musicians of earlier generations.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: LesB
Date: 23 Feb 14 - 05:45 AM

The benefit of recording such events is that you can watch them in chunks when you have time & ffwd those you wish to avoid. I watched the last bit late last night & I thought that the best for me was the appreciation of Cecil Sharpe & Martin & Eliza Carthy & the Full English. I skipped a number of award presenters when they started getting boring, skipped Clannad, Fishermans Friends & one or two others that didn't catch my attention. All in all I quite enjoyed it.
By the way was that short chubby grey bearded chap (sounds like me) sat next to the Carthy's table a Lesser Spotted Bill Oddie?
Cheers
Les


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: The Sandman
Date: 23 Feb 14 - 05:03 AM

"Or just throw your grumpy criticisms from afar?."I was stating whose company i would rather be nominated in,and why, if you choose to interpret that as a grumpy criticism, thats your problem, have a nice day.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: johncharles
Date: 23 Feb 14 - 04:11 AM

Is "professional folk musician" an oxymoron?


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: GUEST,Terrified Tim
Date: 23 Feb 14 - 04:08 AM

Oh no, I've just started thinking of how many folkies are out there...

aaaaaaaaggggghhhhhhh !!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Feb 14 - 04:01 AM

When you think of how many folkies are out there do you think many of them give a flying **** what mudcat thinks or the folk awards deliver.
I suspect the answer is NO.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 22 Feb 14 - 11:56 PM

canonly professionals ve valid opinions....of course not.

I just get a bit fed up when ones opinions are wilfully misunderstood and misrepresented.

as for the times a changin'......the beebs attitude to folk music hasn't changed. during the 60's and seventies and eighties - the prospect of an evening with rolf harris or val doonican sent us out from our homes scuttling out to folk clubs.the ghastly transatlantic session (smirk along with Aly Blain) and the folk awards are still sending me out to the folk clubs.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 22 Feb 14 - 09:20 PM

Do we need to state our CV and credentials to post on Mudcat? Can only professionals have valid opinions? I am not a professional musician (OK, I get a few bob now and then for playing in a ceilidh band) but have been very much involved in folk music since my teenage years in the 60s folk revival or whatever you like to call it.
I'm getting old too, but I'd say "The Times They Are a- Changin'" - total anathema to some, I know, and not all for the better.
But I'd also venture to say that possibly, just possibly, some of the newer generation of folk artists know a lot more about what they are playing or singing about than some of us did way back when. Partly down to their degree courses for some, or their own personal research, assisted by modern technology and the information explosion on the internet. While I don't take kindly to my old favourites being given thrashy guitar-driven funky choppy rhythms, there are some very good younger artists out there who are maintaining the balance between keeping within the tradition and injecting their own take on certain songs and tunes.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 22 Feb 14 - 07:30 PM

one of the problems with allowing guest eds and other guests to express opinion isthat we have no idea from which perspective, he or she speaks - and thus we have no idea why they can't understand the point of view of professional folk musicians like GSS and myself.

I understand the point of view of respecting someone like Seeger whose songs have put the bread on our tables. Also we respect Peggy Seeger and the memories of her late husband and brother. Take it from us there a qualitative difference between these musicians and the folk awards gang. Folk music wasn't a career opportunity for them, or us.

Still as GSS and I are lucky enough to have lived a long time, I suppose we are lucky enough. When you get old though - its goes with the territory. One is misunderstood.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 22 Feb 14 - 05:50 PM

IMO Pete Seegers contribution to Folk Music has been much more important than Hardy, Knapp, Hield and Ward

And the show was ended by a eulogy and tribute to Pete Seeger, led by Peggy.

Did you actually watch it? Or just throw your grumpy criticisms from afar?


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: The Sandman
Date: 22 Feb 14 - 05:30 PM

each to their own, guest, but if i was choosing company to be nominated in, I would choose pete seeger,woody guthrie, paul robeson,all people who showed they had convictions and suffered for their beliefs and whose convictions come across in their music, and who were passionate about their music and using music to try and correct injustice. IMO Pete Seegers contribution to Folk Music has been much more important than Hardy, Knapp, Hield and Ward or any other company of Solicitors.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Feb 14 - 05:14 PM

I rather liked Bella Hardy's reply to the question "What difference will winning the award make to you" on Simon Mayo's build-up to the awards. She replied (not verbatim) "None, but it's nice to be nominated in this company" (Fay Hield/ Lisa Knapp/ Lucy Ward.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: The Sandman
Date: 22 Feb 14 - 04:42 PM

Drek Schofield points out,The Folk Awards are one aspect of the whole scene.
in my opinion, they should not be, its a feckin stupid idea,furthermore I wish that those people who wish to use the folk scene as a stepping stone to pop stardom, would feck off, and leave the rest of us to enjoy playing music because we like playing music. Derek,I hope you do not mind me asking, do you think the awards are a good idea?


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