BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Aug 16 - 12:59 PM

"You have a racists obsession with skin colour, but are oblivious to blatant antisemitism if from hard left Labour"
And you have stated quiute clearly that myou8 believe all male Pakistanis in Britain to have been culturally inplanted implanted with    a tendency to rape underage girls - and you've just confirmed that this is sill your view"We are all implanted to some extent by our culture "
The implication of this is that the Muslim culture produces perverts
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Aug 16 - 12:43 PM

Your link sttes it can not offer proof.
A feckin' sight more proof that your claim of Antisemitism in the Labour party
Peerages have long been recognised as a way of rewarding donations
"Serious enough to "appal" the "entire NEC" just with "recent incidents!"
You've said this already and still haven't provided any examples of it.
The Labour Party carried out an enquiry and no serious problem was found - you are now attempting on the one hand to undermine that enquiry while on the other, putting forward your misinterpretation of what the NEC said - the NEC accepted that there was no problem - if there is - name it and shame it or stand as the liar you are.
"Yes please! I did not know you had made one up."
Just put it up Keith
We were discussing the Fascist 'Right Club' - made up of Tory Politicians, Peers of the realm, including the Duke of Wellington and industrialists, press barons and other prominent figures who were attempting to form a provisional government at a time when the war was in the balance and Jews were being herded into extermination camps.
Yur dismissed them as a bunch of harmless cranks and, when presented with some of the Antisemitic filthy that was being published in their 'Journal' you dismissed it an unimportant and claimed it was as "harmless" as the theme song from Dad;s Army
It seems, your line hasn't changed here much - Tory Antisemitism isn't worth bothering about but it's worth while inventing Labour Antisemitism
You are a racist, an apologist for Government racism, and a an enthusiastic supporter of the appointment of a racist Foreign Secretary.
The fact that neither of you will explain why the Governmewnt won't hold a demanded enquiry into Islamophobia, makes all of these transparent.
Now take your accusations of "racism" and stick them where they beloing, you squalid little man
RACIST JOHNSON
"Old ground Jom and your arguments were ripped to shreds then"
No they weren't - you did a runner on all of them - how could they be "ripped to shreds" when you refuse to provide proof to anything you claim
Who the ****'s goung to believe an arrogant biggoted flag-waggger who sti;; yearns for the Empire
Dreamm on
Now - you were going to tell us all about this Labour Paty Antisemitism - what is it - how many people practice it - who says they do - what evidence do they provide
I knew I should have wor that bullshitproof shirt
Jim Carroll
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 08 Aug 16 - 11:56 AM

Goalpost changing Ragged? Nope just reopen the thread and quote in full the post where I originally referred to Cork as an East Coast Port - I think that it was perfectly clear what I meant, and so I suppose do you as you seem so reluctant to do that.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 08 Aug 16 - 11:53 AM

Despite desperate attempts by Jom & Raggy to divert attention away from Labour's problems over anti-Semitism - it still rumbles on with Chakrabarti being accused of deliberately ignoring evidence placed before her and another story of two of Corbyn's main supporters making anti-Semitic remarks.

As for their Leadership election they still haven't even decided upon who can actually vote in it. Apparently the High Court has just announced that all the mugs they conned into parting with £25 now can vote.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 Aug 16 - 11:46 AM

Jim,
Life Peerages for donationins

Your link sttes it can not offer proof.
It describes a statistical algorithm that could not prove any peerage was for a donation or a whitewash report.
Steve was being nauseatingly disingenuous in demanding proof.

What there is no evidence of is a serious problem of Antisemmitism in te Labiour Party -

Serious enough to "appal" the "entire NEC" just with "recent incidents!"

Perhaps it's time to remind you of your past support for British Antisemitism?

Yes please! I did not know you had made one up.

"Racist" rag has never described the entire British male Pakistani population as culturally implanted racists (sic) of children

I am relieved to hear it. Nor have I

Rag has not defended blatant racism from the foreign Secretary -

Good. Neither have I. He would have to resign anyway if he had been blatantly racist, but that is made up too.

Rag hasn't defended Antisemitic filth broadcast by British peers and industrialists as "no more important than the theme song of Dad's Army

Good for him. Nor has anyone else.

Rag,
You said that a Londoner was a Pakistani merely because you saw the colour of his skin.

No. Merely because like Alibhai Brown he was born into that heritage and brought up in that culture.
YOU are the only one who has repeatedly linked it to skin colour.
You have a racists obsession with skin colour, but are oblivious to blatant antisemitism if from hard left Labour.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Aug 16 - 11:38 AM

You said that a Londoner was a Pakistani merely because you saw the colour of his skin.

Full stop. No if's, no but's, no maybe's.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Aug 16 - 11:37 AM

Moving the goalposts are we Teri. You stated repeatedly that Cork was on the East coast.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 08 Aug 16 - 11:27 AM

To Raggy and to Jom - reopen the threads - you were getting slaughtered on them before I dare say the same will happen again.

Old ground Jom and your arguments were ripped to shreds then.

Thanks for the link though - it wasn't quite as scathing of Kitchener as I think you took it to be. Jim and Gerry missed out some quite amazing and highly significant factors though.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 Aug 16 - 11:26 AM

Rag,
Yasmin Alibhai-Brown, who was born in Uganda, is an adult she can describe herself as she chooses.

Yes, and the fact that she does even though a British citizen and not born in Pakistan is proof that it is not racist to thus describe someone of that heritage, so drop the silly name calling.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 08 Aug 16 - 11:14 AM

Already said reopen the thread and we can discuss it in the context originally stated. No mistake on my part, the Port of Cork served the eastern side of Ireland, links to the South and to the west of Cork were extremely poor. IIRC correctly the point being made was to do with distribution of food and the lack of deep water ports with all their requisite facilities in the South and West of Ireland. You as usual missed the point completely and roared off on one of your pedantic "Fisking" expeditions.

By the Bye here's a Map for you (Although I fear that you are too dense to realise the significance of it!!):

Severity of Famine - Look at Cork


Population Increased in Cork

The first of those maps showed how the effects of the famine were mitigated round Cork - that demonstrates how extensive distribution infrastructure was. Compare that to the South and to the West.

The population of Cork, Dublin and Belfast grew during the famine years as people cleared off the land in the worst affected areas and moved to where they could get food, work or transportation. The reduction in the size of the population in Ireland between 1845 and 1851 was due to three things in decreasing order of magnitude:

1: Emigration
2: Disease (For which at the time there were no cures)
3: Starvation - the least factor by far.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Aug 16 - 11:11 AM

"There are some who have a problem with a Jewish national state though."
Not on this forum there isn't
If there are, point them out, otherwise, once again you have been proved a lying troll
"And what mistake have I not admitted and apologised for oh ragged one?"
This'll do for a start - lots more where that came from - like democratic Britain in the early 1800s, well off Liverpool, Ireland being tricked into rebellion by foreigners, the peace loving Loyalists, A War to end all Wars....
Difficult to know where to start really!!
You might try explaining why, if there is so much Antisemitism in the Labour Party, nobody, inside or out, has ever put a description or a figure on it?
There - I knew I should have worn my bullshit proof vest!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Aug 16 - 10:33 AM

The one I raised again this morning, you know the location of Cork, you've referred to it today, I've given you the map.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 08 Aug 16 - 10:24 AM

but with equal vigour support the Palestinian right to national self-determination.

Has anyone here said that they don't support a Palestinian national state?

There are some who have a problem with a Jewish national state though.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 08 Aug 16 - 09:32 AM

Raggytash - 08 Aug 16 - 08:46 AM

And what mistake have I not admitted and apologised for oh ragged one?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Aug 16 - 09:10 AM

Also from T-Bird's link, Bubo:

... the words of Nelson Mandela: "As a movement we recognise the legitimacy of Palestinian nationalism just as we recognise the legitimacy of Zionism as a Jewish nationalism. We insist on the right of the state of Israel to exist within secure borders, but with equal vigour support the Palestinian right to national self-determination."

Obviously a Hamas-supporting antisemite was Mr. Mandela.

We don't pretend for a second that there are no problems in Israel-Palestine. We don't ignore the imperfections of Israeli society. We don't overlook the tragedy of conflict.

Obviously the Baroness & friends are also clearly antisemitic. How dare they criticise Israel!

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Aug 16 - 08:46 AM

You made a statement Terriblossom, you stated quite clearly:

"if I make a mistake I do not only admit it but that I also apologise for my error."

I have merely pointed out that it is not the case. You may prevaricate and tergiversate much as you wish.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 08 Aug 16 - 08:17 AM

As was your non-response to what was stated and to the challenge offered for you to re-open the thread in question.

For Raggy who earlier questioned my knowledge and education I previously received the following message:

"Hi Teribus, Firstly I know this may be a bit of a shock to you, so apologises for that.

You are obviously interested in the subject and far more knowledgeable than some others on this forum.

Having said that he continued on the same subject after repeatedly proclaiming his own lack of knowledge to tell myself and others that we were all wrong and that he knew better.

By the way Raggy I will direct you to the Thread on Easter Week and the term Field General Court Martial which I disputed and admitted I was in error offering apologies to both Joe Offer and yourself.

Not wishing to acknowledge that and appear to be out of step with Shaw you'd rather show precisely the lack of honesty and integrity that has been shown by the Labour Party under Corbyn over the last seven months - Well done Raggy - you reassure me with practically every post of yours that "Leopards do not change their spots".

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 08 Aug 16 - 07:51 AM

From Teribus' link:

Lastly – but most distressingly – we observe with horror what Mr Chalmers describes in his note of resignation: "members of the Executive throwing around the term 'Zio' (a term for Jews usually confined to websites run by the Ku Klux Klan)"; senior members expressing "solidarity" with Hamas; claims that "most accusations of anti-Semitism are just the Zionists crying wolf" and the fact that "a large proportion of both OULC and the student left in Oxford more generally have some kind of problem with Jews".

Rather reminiscent of our resident Labour apologists, isn't it?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Aug 16 - 06:31 AM

There you go Steve a clear example of Teriblunders version of:

"if I make a mistake I do not only admit it but that I also apologise for my error."

Wasn't it magnificent !!

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 08 Aug 16 - 06:29 AM

Open Letter to OULC

I know Shaw wouldn't do anything about it, so there it is for all to read.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 08 Aug 16 - 06:21 AM

Steve Shaw - 07 Aug 16 - 05:21 PM

The report was spot on. There were ignorant attitudes and there were remarks made that were unwise. Making remarks about Israel and the Nazis in the same breath is not appropriate. All matters that must be addressed, but the party is not overrun by antisemitism. That is no whitewash. You wouldn't have been satisfied unless every member of the party had been named by her as a rabid antisemite. To you and your ilk, anything less is a whitewash. Sorry, but you are not entitled to make accusations that you can't support. Think all the evil thoughts about her you like, but you have NO EVIDENCE THAT SHE ACCEPTED A PEERAGE IN RETURN FOR A WHITEWASH. To make that accusation without evidence makes you a nasty little shit.

1: The report was spot on

If the report was spot on Shaw so were the reasons that not one but two investigations were commissioned by Labour's NEC the first occasioned by leading members of the Oxford University Labour Club resigning because they felt that they could no longer participate and attend meetings in safety - This Inquiry was conducted by Baroness Royall, she too found that anti-Semitism was not institutionalised but she did state that there were serious concerns that required immediate and sustained action. She also found that this was not only a problem for the University Labour Club but that the same situation existed throughout the Labour party to varying degrees. That is what gave rise to the Inquiry entrusted to Shami Chakrabarti.

Royall's recommendations included seven additional points that she suggested Chakrabarti's inquiry should adopt. Three of the seven were ignored making the key difference between the reports is that Chakrabarti offers amnesty to antisemites while Royall recommended robust vetting and expulsion if prior bad acts are found. The submission of the Chakrabarti Report, by it's own recommendation, acts as a "shut-off", a watershed if you like, as the NEC will not investigate any incident that predates the date of submission of the report.

Now does anyone want time line for all of this?

15th February, 2016 - The letter to the OULC following the resignation of Alex Chalmers as co-Chair.

18th February, 2016 - Minister for Universities calls for an Inquiry into the allegations of anti-Semitism

February 2016 - Baroness Royall appointed to conduct an Inquiry into anti-Semitism within Oxford University Labour Club

27th April, 2016 - Naz Shah suspended by the Labour Party for anti-semitic comments

28th April 2016 - Ken Livingston suspended by the Labour Party

29th April, 2016 - Shami Chakrabarti appointed to conduct a wider inquiry into anti-Semitism within the Labour Party.

16th May 2016 - Shami Chakrabarti joins the Labour Party.

17th May 2016 - Baroness Royall's recommendations and conclusions are made public the actual report is suppressed by Labour's NEC

23rd June 2016 - EU Referendum

24th June 2016 - David Cameron resigns, shortly thereafter his resignation honours list is compiled. Jeremy Corbyn has a member of his staff contact No 10 to get Shami Chakrabarti's name added to the list.

30th June 2016 - Shami Chakrabarti submits her Report

27th July 2016 - Shami Chakrabarti appears on Newsnight

4th August 2016 - Shami Chakrabarti receives peerage as Jeremy Corbyn's sole nomination in David Cameron's resignation honours list, having been a member of the Labour Party for roughly fourteen weeks.

Now what do you think she had done to deserve that unique honour Shaw?

Showed unswerving and unfailing loyalty to him "Momentum" rather frighteningly refer to as "The Leader"?

For delivering the Report "The Leader" required?

Shami Chakrabarti appeared on national television and was asked a question:

Kirsty Wark: Is there a peerage in the offing? It has been discussed a Labour peerage might be in the offing for you?

Shami Chakrabarti: I don't know Kirsty, are you going to take one?

KW: I haven't been offered one, have you?

SC: Many times

Her last offer came from Tony Blair and Gordon Brown - she turned them down. But on that Newnight programme Chakrabarti lied, because on the 27th July she would have had to have already been offered the peerage and accepted the honour if it was announced on the 4th August.

Stinks to high heaven Shaw and "guilty" or "innocent" neither the Labour Party, "The Leader", Labour's NEC or Shami Chakrabarti have come out of this very well, their timing and judgement has been terrible and as a result of being the opposite of transparent their integrity is in tatters.

2: "There were ignorant attitudes and there were remarks made that were unwise. Making remarks about Israel and the Nazis in the same breath is not appropriate. All matters that must be addressed, but the party is not overrun by anti-Semitism."

Not yet Shaw, not yet.

Oh and before you launch into another diatribe about how this was all some figment of the imaginations of Teribus, Akenaton, Keith A of Hertford and bobad, I would suggest that you read that letter sent to the OULC on the 15th February 2016 that kicked all this off and pay particular attention to those who signed it.

While Baroness Royall stated that anti-semtism was not institutionalised within the OULC and in Labour she did say that there was a "culture of anti-semtism" - care to enlighten me as to what the difference is?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Aug 16 - 05:43 AM

"he word is not an insult, except to racists Rag."
"Racist" rag has never described the entire British male Pakistani population as culturally implanted racists of children as you have
Rag has not defended blatant racism from the foreign Secretary - as you have
Rag hasn't defended Antisemitic filth broadcast by British peers and industrialists as "no more important than the theme song of Dad's Army - as you have
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Aug 16 - 05:35 AM

"NO EVIDENCE THAT ANYONE ACCEPTED A PEERAGE IN RETURN FOR A DONATION"
Life Peerages for donationins
What there is no evidence of is a serious problem of Antisemmitism in te Labiour Party - you have produced none, neither has anybody else
Perhaps it's time to remind you of your past support for British Antisemitism?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Aug 16 - 05:17 AM

Because Sadiq Khan was born in London.

Yasmin Alibhai-Brown, who was born in Uganda, is an adult she can describe herself as she chooses.

It is your racism that describes Sadiq Khan as a Pakistani.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 Aug 16 - 05:10 AM

Rag, if it is right to describe Alibhai Brown as Pakistani, as does does herself, why not Khan too?
The word is not an insult, except to racists Rag.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Aug 16 - 05:07 AM

The context doesn't reposition a city Teri.

Have a look on the map I provided and then come back and tell us   again that "if I make a mistake I do not only admit it but that I also apologise for my error."

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Aug 16 - 05:02 AM

You said that Sadiq Khan was a Pakinstani.

He was born and raised in Tooting, South London. He describes himself first and foremost as a London.

That is just a very clear example (yet again) of your racism.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 08 Aug 16 - 04:36 AM

Raggytash - 08 Aug 16 - 03:07 AM

Now then Raggy - Give the context in which I said that Cork was an east coast port. It was something to do with the "Famine" and connected with the existing infrastructure of the time and the means and the ability to transport food to where it was needed.

If you wish to discuss this further Raggy I'd be delighted to do so - you could re-open the thread. But somehow I don't think that you will.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 Aug 16 - 04:34 AM

You have a racist obsesssion with skin colour Rag.
Skin colour is irrelevant in this.
I described Alibhai Brown as Pakistani because she is of that heritage and grew up within that culture, and because that is how she describes herself.

How can you call her racist for so describing herself, but not antisemitism so blatant that it "appalled" the "entire" National Executive Committee of the Labour Party?

"Different argument" again Rag?
It is antisemitic to have such double standards.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Aug 16 - 03:59 AM

Blatant racism .............. calling a man who was born in Tooting Pakistani merely because of the colour of his skin.

Now that's BLATANT racism.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 Aug 16 - 03:51 AM

Steve, everyone knows that peerages are awarded to party donors, but there is NO EVIDENCE THAT ANYONE ACCEPTED A PEERAGE IN RETURN FOR A DONATION, so it is always wrong to make that inference, right Steve?

Or are you once again employing different criteria where antisemitism is involved?

What form could proof for either take? Only confession.

You claim to see racism in the most trivial of cases.
You claimed it racists to describe Alibhai Brown as Pakistani.
Perhaps in your ignorance you consider the word an insult.
It is not, and it is how she chooses to describe herself so it can not be racist.

However, when faced with blatant racism but in the form of antisemitism, you claim not to see it, perhaps because those guilty are politically your friends.
In your politics the end always justifies the means, right Steve?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Aug 16 - 03:07 AM

From Teri "Well now Shaw perhaps you should ask your pal Raggy about that and also ask Joe Offer - they will tell you that contrary to your "belief" that if I make a mistake I do not only admit it but that I also apologise for my error. "

Perhaps you would like to reiterate that Cork is on the East coast of Ireland.

http://www.mapsofworld.com/lat_long/ireland-lat-long.html

Here's a map to help you.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Aug 16 - 11:29 PM

Quite. All lefties are totally corrupt. They always obtain money by deception and never declare it. If they detect even the faintest whiff of a possible peerage in the air they immediately promise a whitewash report. Bastards to a man, eh?

"Oh sure, we believe that". Well when reds are suspected of dodgy dealing, you don't need evidence. Ask Keith. All cooked-up suspicions automatically confirmed. Say no more. Bloody commies. What more do you need to know?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 07 Aug 16 - 08:40 PM

Uh oh!

UK's Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn faced criticism for an undeclared donation of £10,000 (NIS 50,000) for his successful 2015 leadership campaign raised by a pro-Hamas group.

According to documents obtained by the Observer, a Palestinian group held a fundraising dinner for Corbyn at which it raised £10,000. However this donation from Friends of Al-Aqsa was never declared to the Electoral Commission.

Corbyn's campaign claimed that the donation was not reported because the check bounced, according to the report Sunday. When asked what happened to the money that had been raised, a spokesman said: "I'm told a second check may have been sent but this was not received by the campaign." He added, "There is nothing dodgy going on." [Oh sure, we believe that]

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Aug 16 - 05:21 PM

The report was spot on. There were ignorant attitudes and there were remarks made that were unwise. Making remarks about Israel and the Nazis in the same breath is not appropriate. All matters that must be addressed, but the party is not overrun by antisemitism. That is no whitewash. You wouldn't have been satisfied unless every member of the party had been named by her as a rabid antisemite. To you and your ilk, anything less is a whitewash. Sorry, but you are not entitled to make accusations that you can't support. Think all the evil thoughts about her you like, but you have NO EVIDENCE THAT SHE ACCEPTED A PEERAGE IN RETURN FOR A WHITEWASH. To make that accusation without evidence makes you a nasty little shit. You adopted the same scurrilous and dishonest approach over Wheatcroft and the long-defunct working definition, not to speak of your clear distaste for Pakistanis, which has cropped up more than once. Next time you go to church, if they'll actually let you in, don't forget to say the act of contrition. Ugh. Disgusting little man.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Aug 16 - 04:48 PM

"You are being nauseatingly disingenuous.!"
Proof that there is Antisemitism - no evidence whatever
Bit like all those Irish people who were brainwashed to hate the British, yet you could give no example of hatred.
If it doesn't fit, make it up with you Keith
Stupid little fanatic
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Aug 16 - 04:20 PM

Steve,

And I am still waiting for you to justify your accusation with evidence that Chakrabarti accepted a peerage IN RETURN FOR A WHITEWASH.

You are being nauseatingly disingenuous.
What form would acceptable proof take Steve?
Obviously only a confession, and that is obviously never going to happen.

The FACT is that Chakrabarti produced a report that surprised everyone by playing down the antisemitism that had led to 50 suspensions from the party, and then it emerged, to her obvious embarrassment and shame, that she had received a massive payoff.

It stinks.

It is not just us that is saying that.
It is senior Labour people and everyone who speaks for the Jewish community.
You are on the wrong side of this debate.
You are supporting racial hatred.

Can you quote one single Jew in the whole world who does not believe that a section of Labour is rife with antisemitism and that the Chakrabarti report is a whitewash?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Aug 16 - 04:00 PM

So apologise then! 😂😂😂

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Aug 16 - 03:58 PM

"'I said pro-Israel regime bigots.'

That is what you call us because we dare to give Israel's side of the debate.
You don't want to consider anything but the other side."

I'm fed up of saying that I want the same for both "sides," peace, security and prosperity, and that I feel sorry for ordinary Israelis because of the way their bellicose regime works against those goals and puts them in harm's way. So you can shove your bloody lies about my "not wanting to consider anything but the other side" where the sun don't shine.

And I am still waiting for you to justify your accusation with evidence that Chakrabarti accepted a peerage IN RETURN FOR A WHITEWASH. Until you do (which, actually, you can't), you are a smearing, lying bigot.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 07 Aug 16 - 03:57 PM

Steve Shaw - 07 Aug 16 - 03:44 PM

Well now Shaw perhaps you should ask your pal Raggy about that and also ask Joe Offer - they will tell you that contrary to your "belief" that if I make a mistake I do not only admit it but that I also apologise for my error.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Aug 16 - 03:44 PM

My arse, Teribus. You misread that quote and mouthed off accordingly. Blatantly obvious, old bean. Some of us manage to say "oops" when we make a booboo. Seems that your pride won't allow you to do it.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 07 Aug 16 - 03:11 PM

Thicko ?

Go on terri, tell us all about your education .....................


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Hmmm Thought so you don't have any do you.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 07 Aug 16 - 09:35 AM

Corbyn's Credibility With U.K. Jews Can't Get Much Lower

Nor can yours, Bubo, with anyone even marginally sentient.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Aug 16 - 09:31 AM

Nearly everyone here is deep in the weeds growing among the industrial waste dumps.

Now you are literally discussing the 'Jewish Question'?

I think divide and conquer is at play here.

The exception to the mob mentality are Jim , Steve and other notables.

Notice how a only a few thugs/goons here can cause such an immune response with viral hate.

There are diseases that can cause our own immune response to kill ourselves.

I will not respond or inquire about specific political identities but only comment in a generalized perspective;

Who is doing the dividing and to what ends?

Both sides have thier martyrs. They all advanced some ideas that started to succeed or fail. There are not many that run a complete course.

If the world proceeded logicly in a linear direction progress would be lightening fast, but it does not.

We and the world proceed irrationally gaining advantage where there is a niche for life.

Take care not to poison yourselves with known historic toxic ideas.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Aug 16 - 09:20 AM

"Corbyn's credibility with Jews…."
Written by Dave Rich of the Community Security Trust
he CST claims to be 'a Jewish neighbourhood watch with a little bit added'.
This 'little bit added' is the surveillance and harassment of members of the Jewish community itself, especially those on the Left, who take issue with the political positions expressed by the self -proclaimed leaders of the community. As victims of their harassment, we have seen neither sophistication nor intelligence displayed by the officers of the CST and its forerunner, the Community Security Organisation (CSO).
Many Jews resent the bullying style of the CST at Jewish events in mainstream public venues. Members of the Jewish Socialists' Group and other organisations have even been prevented from entering a range of 'public' events policed by the CSO/CST. These have included a Holocaust commemoration, meetings about Nazi war crimes and an Israeli film festival. The victims have been condemned as 'security risks', despite offering to leave bags and personal effects with security personnel. Many of those excluded have been told they are 'on file'. On what basis they are on file and who verifies that the[SIC] information is impossible to find out[6].
People
"Back-peddling Raggy - not in the least thicko."
Were thinking of erecting a monument to the arguments you have abandoned or the points you have refused to respond to
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 07 Aug 16 - 08:05 AM

Raggytash - 07 Aug 16 - 04:06 AM

Back-peddling Raggy - not in the least thicko.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 07 Aug 16 - 07:51 AM

The Labour party is working hard to give the impression it doesn't really care about anti-Semitism. Shami Chakrabarti's peerage is a sell-out of U.K. Jews' concerns about anti-Jewish attitudes within the party, an act of stunning hypocrisy and a failure of principles.

Corbyn's Credibility With U.K. Jews Can't Get Much Lower

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Aug 16 - 06:10 AM

""Gillian Merron, a former Labour minister" - plays an active part as a blogger on behalf of Israel in the Jewish Chronicle (yet another link to Israeli propaganda)
She was found guilty of cheating on Parlaimentary expenses following the enquiries
Wonder if she sells used cars?
"That is what you call us because we dare to give Israel's side of the debate."
You give only Israel's view and deny any criticism of Israeli actions or policy - you are an appeaser of State terrorism
Interesting that you should say you dare - does Israel have critics then?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Aug 16 - 04:29 AM

The Independent,

"Gillian Merron, a former Labour minister who is now chief executive of the Board of Deputies of British Jews, said the independence of Labour's inquiry was now seriously in question. "It looks like the award of a peerage for the delivery of a report which was seen as a whitewash and a disappointment to many in the Jewish community," she said. "There is a real question here about the integrity of this appointment." "

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 07 Aug 16 - 04:06 AM

Hasty bit of back pedalling from Terri now that he has reread Steve's post.